The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Too $hort in the Trap!

Episode Date: September 24, 2022

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God damn we don't need it I know what's my shit off and get in where you fit too short song A little song y'all don't know what you got That nigga That nigga That nigga That ain't working Apple

Bill, Bill. I'm a player. Goddad, that's that I was having a brain for. But you don't know where that's on the game from. All right, hold up. Before you play, give me some sounds. I need the back story. We're in the club.

What's the whole-hand shit as you? Yeah, it's it. We're in the club. No, no, that's why he put it up. Put it in my hand. He said we only need one to keep about. He said, we only need one to keep it by. I really drink that, but I'm going to drink this right little.

It's on you. It's on you. Before you rock red. Before he queue it up, how do you come about? How do you come about? It was a whole other song. It was called You Just a Bitch. Oh.

Little John had a song called I Like Them Girls. I like them girls. I like them girls that be in the clothes. I like the girls who like the ridd is in the ridiculous. That was my shit. The 12 bits. I like the girls. Oh, there's only one song.

Ain't nothing like pimping at the end. The 12 mix had a B-side. And the B-side was, you're just a bit. Hold on, I'm asking, so at the end of one of your songs is, ain't nothing like pimping, the niggins is doing the ad lips. Ain't nothing like pimping, now you know. That's MC breed, ain't it? I want a bitch that's a top notch hole, just a bitch.

What did he say, love? I want a bitch, that's a top notch hole, just a bitch. Two-go-right behind her. Motherfuck you damn shit head, bitch. Okay, we gotta ask this. Why is this, why is bitch two short's favorite words? Oh man, you know. Why they want to say it like short?

I don't know. It's kind of like you take a little bit of all the elements of what influences you. I was like, you know, like the Mac, you know, fucking, what's my man, Dolomite? Yeah. Looking, Willie Dynamite, them niggins right there. And he's just like, you know,

you gotta figure out who your character gonna be, you know, reading all the fucking Donald Goyne's books. I'm like, Come on, yeah. You know, who's your character gonna be? That's another one of my question. I was gonna ask you, your top five Oakland pimps. So it's like, drunk motherfuck around that.

Judgmental. Hey man, I'm gonna drink one too short. I'm gonna check that out of my bucket list. Fuck me, I'm talking about, man. Shit. You say, bitch. Then you say, bitch. And then you say, bitch.

You know what I'm saying? It just kind of progressed. Oh, nigga, that's classic. And then you get in front of the crowd, and you're rocking, like, you know, everybody, all our rappers is like, Somebody said, ho, ho. I was like, fuck that.

Somebody say, bitch. I'm going to stay in. Somebody say, shit, look. Where the craziest place that you saw that reaction, that you didn't think that you would see the reaction when you say bitch and everybody in the crowd it blew your mind that many people said bitch? When you go to them places where they don't speak English

but they know how to do that shit, you know what I mean? They don't speak no fucking English. You see a motherfucker rapping your song. And then you'd be like, oh, boy, you knew all the words. and then the motherfucker don't even know English. He's like, the only words he know in English.

It's your words. Your words, yeah, that's wild. For real, they do that shit. What's the strangest request from a lady? This is my next question. That's be a beer? Yeah. Okay, listen to this.

Everybody know this song, right? Facts. Play the other version. It's way harder than this. Which version? It's called, you're just a bitch. Little John, you're just a bitch. You might have to send that to that nink.

I don't know if that one on the internet. It's on you, too. How many songs do you got called bitches? I've heard five songs. Hey, play bitch. No, play better bitch. Play the last bitch. Play my other bitch.

No, you can't see that one. You got to play the other one. That's the other bitch. Hey, and how many people ran off with it? You said, four singers. Ten comedians. That was a long time ago. Did you count?

Hold up. This was my question. What's the strangest request from a lady that came up to you and said, call me a bitch? They say it every day. Oh. Dang.

Every day. Please. Like, like. You ever been shocked? Like, you're sure? No. Hey, you're over here. And show, do me fake, man.

Oh, I call my lady a bitch. I got a good. I got a original? Yeah. So this is the original be a bill. This point made here is a clean version. B.H! B.S.

B.S. B.S. That is. B. B. What did somebody do? They ain't got a girl. Right.

Right. And they came back with Bid Bid because they couldn't get on the real. Right. Oh, this original hood right now. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Get your hands up. This shit was 5-59 shit.

Look at your man. Don't want to come around a bit. Get your hands on. Hell no. I ain't put my hands up there. I ain't gonna take it's done now. I'm like this what you're thinking. I think it's really don't know.

When they were, they were. I was standing right here. I'm in the fucking room. Every studio session, I was on the fucking songs. I was here. Yeah. And then it goes, it's like, okay,

it's all ATLs. It's the A, it's the A. Right. But I'm like, nigga, I remember when it was Memphis. Yeah. And A TL borrowed it. Yeah. And turned it into something big and better.

Oh, oh, yeah. Okay, hold on. Give me some minutes. Hand wrote it. Hand roll. Hand roll. Hey, wrong. Hey, wrong.

What did that sandwich those for shit? And I bought with the A ball. I just said, I want to end y'all. You don't remember the Pemnity interview, man. Y'all know that's where that music came from, man. That's three-six mafia, man. Hey, that's the perfect time to tell these folks. Welcome back to the A&M.

Yeah. Oh. Yeah. You see what we got? Yeah. This is what you call merch, but on the merch, it says Ghetto Legends. We're going to another level with this trap shit.

We got a real live. ghetto legend in here with us today. Come on, man. Come on, man. We can really introduce this man for 20 minutes. Nick, hide your bitch, man. Man, man. Hey, I tell you what, if you're watching this right now,

go get your mama. Yeah, man. And tell her we got too short. That you're angry. We're not done alone. We got too much ground to cover tonight. Hey. Shit.

This is a man that told us. This is a man that told us all about pussy. Oh, he put his work in all the way. He put his work in. He used to have my two short tapes. Had to. My mama told me I don't get fucking what you listen to, but you better not be listening to two-shunds.

Come on. That's the bad. I'm talking about he was graphic. She knew. The whole generation of young men what to do If you just so happen to stumble upon a bitch. Right. Not a lady, not your girl, please.

But who? A bitch. A bitch. Gave names too. I met this girl. Her name was Joan. Exactly the way I rocked on the microphone. When I met Joan, I took her home.

Nigger, she was just like a doggy all on my bones. See, he wrote a ghetto Bible. Exactly. The ghetto Bible. This is the same man that told us, Nancy Reagan came to his house, gave him a blue job, licked the dick up and down,

like it was coring on the cop, and niggas actually believed it. But what happened? He didn't have no reason a lot of us. But what happened? You tell me. No, what happened? Later on it, what did they say?

Nancy Razor was the... Nancy Reagan. Gwack, guack. They said she was known. What did he do? What do? She was known. Throats.

Throats, gootis. Goutis. Goutis. Goatts. Guotis. You know, Ronald William was a big star, and I was like, that's why he kept it. That's how he got it. I'm keeping that way.

I don't blame him. I heard he used to rent out too, but that's none of our business. That's none of our business. A lot of Nancy's gun skills, though. Right. Let me finish the intro. World renowned speaker, you better listen to you. Motivational talker.

O.G. rap. Come on. Pimp player. Come on. Macaronie. had one of the hardest hits in the middle of the crack era. Come on, man.

You're a rapist since streaming wasn't even a thing. That nigga got an eight track he put out. On both sides called bitch. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. I just found that out.

Come on. Don't forget the song that don't ever go away. Uh-oh. Oh. Which one is that? All of them. No, the one that one that never go away. Then the one that is ever go away.

Yeah, you got to hear that shit everywhere you go. Ladies and gentlemen, none other than that. Give it up who? Too short. Come on. Come on. Come on.

That, first of all, before we get this started, you're in a room full of comedians and I want to say thank you, because when you said all the skinny girls let Bruce, Bruce hit it. Hell yeah. She gave comedians hoot.

Yeah, it did. You shouted out as a man, too. I always fuck with the comedian. Yeah. They told me in that big, Bruce really is my homie, so I was like not just trying to run. rhyme. I was like, actually throwing my homie a play. He came on here. He told him.

He said. You got that man. So much Bush. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. That's my homie. Bruce, but y'all don't know. Y'all do you know he was like the biggest best comedian in Atlanta for all over. Yeah. He was a guy. People to keep the comedy in Atlanta for a long time. No cap. Like a long time. He was that guy like Bruce.

Yeah. Chris Tucker would have been somewhere going, Bruce, put me on. Yeah. Next time you're in generous, tell him host and let Carlos hit it too. It's my job, right? Next time he's my turn. It's my turn. I've been putting it down. I've been I've been putting it down. I've been putting it Ever since he left, come on, this is my turn. Throw my name in there.

Throw them off a man. I'm gonna fop you, man. Give colors a man. Let D.C. hit it. Come on to get it. You do not. Well, I'm gonna promote that bitch and everything. You heard that new two shows.

Yeah, exactly. So actually, what year did it all start? For me? Yeah. Well, you know, I jumped off the porch, like, in 1980. Ooh. Yeah. I was like, like, 14 years old then.

over then I was, I started running behind my brother's streets of Oakland, started rapping at the same time. Yeah. And kind of, um, we did, we used to do the street hustle. They're just selling tapes. The shit was pretty fucking popular. We used to do customized tapes for the kingpins, you know, the drug kingpins. And then all the foot soldiers, we'd give them, like, you know,

different little mixtapes and shit. And I finally got to make a record in 1985. That's, um, it's called Don't Stop Rapping. and basically you know all my shit come from like street shit like the way I got that first album ever was through some street niggas

you know the way I got my shit out on the streets and when we were selling tapes street niggas you know what I mean like we only sold tapes to drug dealers and then somebody else would be copying them and let all the civilians get it but I fucking 85 devil but I want this independent label

called 75 girls and it's a real player shit 75 girls. The nigga who owned it was a real player. And it was real, like, real player shit. Like, you walk up, he's supposed to be going to the studio, hollet the label owner, whatever. The bitches in their panties, they party in, it's music. Oh, he, the label lived up to his name.

75 girls. 75 girls. My man was like, you know, he was giving me, like, game, like little learning lessons and shit. Like, yep, like had the broad push up on me. Like, he had his little girlfriend pull up on me and be like, hey, yeah, sure, um, if you tell me some dirt on Dean

I give you some pussy I'm a little nigga right I'm like shit the bitch next dog come over every time you leave and they pull me back you're like hey little homie no homie you're like don't be like that like you know you're in this environment

bro you got to keep it players so you know that was a test of exactly like I put my coat put my coat right 74 more of these you tripping so you're not a man I'm a little man

did you need you No. Oh, no. You weren't supposed to. It was a test. You didn't miss the point. She was a tall-ass woman. I'm a little last few of shit.

She went in the room, said, I'll be right back. She let the robe slip over in a little bit. Hey, she ain't ever came back. Told her everything. This is that baby over here. So you knew you got another bit. But my name gave in the game. You know what, man?

Facts. And later on, I got all this game from him about how to sell independent records, you know, the studio, the manufacturer, the, you know, where to press him up, where the motherfucking, who to distribute him through, all kind of shit. And I started my own shit with some new partners in 87. That's freaky-tale all this shit. We've been on roll every since.

So I don't know where it's start, because the nigga had been famous since, like, 11th grade. But, you know. So you got 10.11 grade started. They're going to be famous. How you got famous, you got famous, that's your first official record. 85 is the first album.

Okay, but I want to ask this about the mixtape. So you just catering these straight to the kingpins. You drop in their name. I had a rap partner named Freddy B. Okay. Freddy B. was from West Oakland, but he lived in East Oakland. He'd been to, like, juvenile hall in the bad kids, camping, all that shit.

He knew all the street niggas. I didn't really know all the niggas, like, all over the city. So, Frady B was a rapper. I was a rapper. They tried to pit us against each other. That's what they did back in the day. Like, my homeboy rap, my homeboy rap, nigga, you know, this shit. Right, right, right.

So we're getting there. We're supposed to be battling or whatever. End up being, like, homies, and we made a tape. And the niggas, he was like, we can sell this shit. You know, we little niggas. I'm like, we're going to sell it too. Ain't nobody out at the time but fucking, like, run DMC and something.

It's back in the day. This is Grand Master Flash. Niggas said, man, them niggas is over there selling weed right down the street. And we rode over there one tape. Niggas say, y'all want to buy this tape? A couple of niggas knew him. Let us walk up on him.

Y'all want to buy this tape? What? Niggas, just listen to it. So, a homie open up the car door, pop it, and he got the loud stereo, and we bumping in and shit. And one of the niggas just slid in the front seat. hit EJEC and was like, how much y'all want for it? $5.

Then the other niggas, like, Nick, I want one too. Like, nigga, we only got one. We'll be back tomorrow. We come back tomorrow. Bad full of tapes. We got a bag full of tapes. The niggas, look, I've been right where it was at the Royal Park.

The niggas said, hey, the niggas on 84th say, y'all pull up on them too. We're like, all shit. So we was just like living in the moment. But when the niggas said, the niggas on 84 said pull up, we're like, nigga, let's go hit every turf where they sell dope. And we start doing that. We just walked up on all the drug dealers. First time they'd be like,

nigga, who's your niggas? Like, bro, check the music out. But then the word was spreading him. So a nigga named Freddie Pratt. My rap partner named Freddy B. So a nigga named Freddy Pratt. I feel like he was like a fan of Freddy B because Freddie P.

Right, right, right. But he was like, man, I'm rap too. Y'all should come to my spot. So we pulled up with Freddy Pratt. He took us to, like, a dope house. And he got, like, way better equipment than us. but he can't really rap that good but it's like

we feel like we're moving up a little bit in the world you know what I'm saying and the nigga who spotted was he was like a real reputable town nigga so we try to go to the boss man and say hey bro you want to hear one of these tapes

he was like man I'm gonna hear that fucking whack-ass rap shit he's like he said fucking rap I don't listen to you know OG niggas back there let's not dope listening to Tower of Power right yeah

he said I wouldn't listen to rap shit unless that shit was about me, but he was, like, really not focused on us. He just said it, walked off. Next day, Nick, we got a song about you. Niggins didn't say nothing. We didn't tell him, man.

We just said, listen to this. So, one day, we were walking down the street. I don't know if it was days later, weeks later, we were just walking down. Dude who we gave the tape to, he was on, like, 94th, 96, 92nd, Sunny Side. We write down on 809th, a few blocks away. This nigga roll up hyper.

Like, nigga, you do you the rap, niggas? He's like, oh, yeah, he said, my name is King D. He said, you niggas on my block right now. This is my block. And they said, if y'all don't get me one of them tapes, like y'all met that nigga, like y'all made that nigga? Ben, I come around here no more. Next day, bam.

Tape all about his ad, man. All the king pins started coming to get us. They were sending niggas, like boss niggas in the town. They were, like, bring the rap niggas to me. Niggas was a messenger service. And bring the niggas. Bring the rap niggas to me. Bring the rap nicks to me.

Hey, look, we got in the street, like, hey, man, big eyes want to holl at you get the car. You're like, what? Nick, take us way to some hood. I want one of them tapes, bro. They start making them for all the king fans. See, you said something that was interesting. You said that back then wasn't nothing

but run DMC and Grandmaster Flash and all that out. Wasn't a lot of rap. All shit was coming from New York. So, with y'all making the music y'all made, did y'all ever get any pressure to try to sound like what was popular? See, me and Freddie B, we wouldn't do that. We was really on some, like, local shit. We was, whatever the

fuck the slang was, whoever was doing, acting. We was like fucking telling you the streets in the songs. And, you know, little ass East Oakland, like, nigga, this shit was, it was ours. You know what I'm saying? And then, on top of that, we used to DJ the fucking hood parties that nobody would, you know. Right.

Nobody going over there. Yeah, niggas wouldn't do that. So we was doing that. We started doing a little rapping in front of the crowd shit. All this shit worked. So fast forward to start my own label, freaky tails. Nigger had all that experience, bro. All them, you You know, they talk about them 10,000 hours?

Put your 10,000 hours in, you're an expert. They got to put them 10,000 in. So when I got the boring the Mac and all that shit, nigga, I was already a fucking season. Hey, man, the way you put it together with Buddy said, I'm only going to listen to rap if it's about me. And that shit clicked with you, and you figured out what to do.

That shit so far ahead of the curve for, yeah, I don't know how the foundation go. But when that little one thing happened, that we went from being dope rappers to the niggas, like, You know, you've got to fight all the foot soldiers. We got to navigate the city. All the big niggas is like, leave them niggas alone. Leave the rap niggas alone.

We just walked through. You know, the little niggas that be holding the hood down? You ain't get nowhere to the house with boss at. We went away to let the rap niggas through. So we worked that shit out. It was luck. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace.

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Was it, what they, uh, of the 75? So, this is, hoax not bitches. This is hoes. This is There's hoes. Their bitch is the top ten. Hose is right. So I had a line in the song, I was like, I had 16 hoses, sucking tenths holes, and people used to like giggling shit at the line. So I was like, I'm going to write a fucking song about them 16 hoes. And I wrote a song like how I met each one of the 16 hos.

And I called it freaky tails. And I was probably like, I was in high school. So later on, I did another version with 75 girls. But it was too long. So the version y'all heard. So 14 minutes. This shit was a parliament song. Everything that corny wasn't like the best of the best.

I'm on my 70-second, bitch. Hey, man, this nix still fucking bitch. The woman's sleeping and woke up. He still got bitches. You knew what she'd do. The one that came out of thought about 40s. These holes just like me. That's fucking amazing.

But it's all game, though, man. I was studying the PEP game, and I was interpreting it. in the songs, and I was... Yeah, I asked you who your top five Oakland Pims were. I mean, the most famous Oakland Pimps is the War Brothers. That's who they made the movie The Macabout. And you look in that movie, you'll see, like, all the... Anybody's not an actor is an Oakland Pimp.

Like, the Oakland... They used the real Pimps to make the movie and the real host. The Mac's a cold movie. Yeah, that's a great. You ain't no Pimp! Soundtrack even... You was a rest haven for holes. A copy!

I bet the one you got outside It's the eyes of firecrack That's that shit Bear, go get the bitch Hey bitch, bitch You ready to die, nigga You ever notice When you see Pretty Tony

And the new shit he'd be doing You're like, look, that's Pretty Tony You never not see him It's Pretty Tony, Nick Willie Dynamite was on Sesame Street For 30 years Teaching kids out of campus He was

Willie Diamond Rattamette You think you're so tough With your $1,000, with your $100 coat and your $30 black bitches working for you. Oh, $100.00. You know, my nigga, Kenny Red just passed away. Yeah, rest of peace, Kenny Red. Kenny Red, I got the miss.

She was always one of my favorites. When I was a little nigger, my little hero, my hero was gangster Brown. And gangster Brown, it was my hero because out of all the way the pimps used to ride and just ride by you and shit, he would literally look over at you and like wave give you away

what's up a little homie but the nigga used to ride around a brown limousine with all the holes in the back and he'd be driving and you know this nigga drove his own limousine so you know you're prepping right

you gotta roll the back windows down so the little nigga we see this nigga a limo full of hose they're all his hoes they went to school with a nigga named Frank the bank Frank Smith that nigga went to our school and his hoe went to our school too

What the fuck? The other hole used to drop them off in school because she was older. And then she'd pick them up at the school. Top down, pick them up. But that's cold. I know you tell Frank DeBank to turn his homework in. And Frank the bank did you assign the last thing.

Bitch, please. We all up in there. Bitch passed her, my paper. Ms. Johnson, you can't sell pussy in the cafeteria. Tell that to Frank. I thought he was going to say Frank had the teacher selling pussy. He probably did. He might have did, brother.

But the nigga, we all be in our little jeans and Nikes or whatever. His nigga slacks and shoes. About 20 gold chains. He got the fucking collar with the little gold hanging on the collar. This nigga, stay back.

How old was this nigga? God damn. Frank was a young nigga, long-ass perm. He looked like the Macden movie. Right. He was all in the shit. He was pregnant in high school. Straight up.

I think a little D came to school. He came to, this is the 80s, bro. This nigga came to school. First day, 10th grader. He probably was. He probably had hundreds of thousands of dollars, man, probably millions, who knows. And came to school.

They came to school, first day in school, 10th grade with an army. This nigga had on, you know, when you were 12th grade, you get your ring. This nigga had like 20 of them on a gold chain. As a 10th grade, the first year of school, he came with class rings on a gold rope. And then I beat graduate in a little skinny rope.

Like, yeah, it came in with an army, they beat up a couple people. They were like, see this little nigga, nobody touches him. I'm glad I. Nick Louis was. Ain't no way in the world. Every day at lunch,

A whole 20 niggas that didn't go to our school showed up to be his, like, secret service. Eight lunch? Every day, nigga. 20 niggins are showing me like, you got a problem with this naked? This nigga had a nigga. This nigga had a nigga. He just his job used to be

to carry the big-ass radio. He just hold the big radio with the eight batteries. And they just, they were them niggas, man. Who the fuck were letting these niggas in the school? This nigga, like, 10th grade. He was going to tell him a club and coming to school. Yeah, he went to school every day. Graduate everything.

But went to school every day. You have to ask permission to say what to him. You got to be like, this nigga, 10th grade. You're in 12th grade. You got to say, amen, it's the cool if I say what's up to deep. I swear to, I swear to God. A man, a nigga was a little bitty high school camp here.

Lits, y'all, they're late. I ain't never heard no shit like this in my life. But that's only at lunch, though, so in between class, you're by yourself, motherfucker. Hey, hey, can you imagine, you got, you in a hurry, nigga, and you behind the pimp, and this nigga walking slow. Hey, don't know my pants a little deep.

Don't anybody pass a little D. Hey, you're going to pass. Hey, hey, you're going to have to wait. I'm real glad. Hey, I'm serious. That's kind of how it was. This the teacher, though, fuck you, man. That's crazy.

I didn't seem to punish me, too. They were like, yo, Dee, what up? One of the homies just bing you a little bit, like, Brad, you didn't get authorized to say that. Bill? What? This bitch was a diplomat in high school. Say what was up.

I'm not. I won't say what's up. I don't speak to nobody anymore. You saw what happened. You know what happened. You spoke to luck. You didn't know. I was talking, man.

You've been ahead. I've seen it. They had to move that nigga back to the eighth grade. You know I'm telling the truth, right? You know I'm trying to truth. You ain't ready to go to school with the big kids. What's up, D.C.? You allow him to say that to me?

Right. Can we go back to Memphis, man? Man? All the way. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were. We were. We know.

I want to not forget to talk about Memphis. No, yeah. You said that we barred the style. No, we was talking about some crunk shit and some shit. I said, right? I said, motherfuckers don't ever say that when crunk was being invented. Right. From the cradle, I was right there in the sessions.

I was here in Atlanta. I was on the songs. I was there. And I went on to say, I know that. know that where it came from. It came from Memphis. Right. I said ATF borrowed it

and made it bigger and better. Right. And blew that shit up and then when the bankhead bounce came at 94. Right. It was a rap. That was it.

So explain it because I'm a 92 bank. I remember the bankhead but like that was a prominent dance for us for like 18 years. You couldn't do the shoulders.

It was a few different songs. It was it. That was it. What's up? What's up with the bang head bow? Bring it back. Every side of time.

Every side of time it had a big head bounce contract. This is my pinkie, this my thumb. Bankhead bounce, don't keep on. Hey, what he's saying? Don't he's here. Don't get my pinkie, this is my thumb. Bankhead bounce, don't keep on.

The nigger from Ying Yang Twins wrote the Bankhead Bounce song. Which one? Did you know what? Dug, which one? Was he from banking? D. Rock. Yeah, he wrote that song. But really, really, I remember it being more like when the Outcast album came out the first one

and then the Goody Mob album followed it. That was the essence of, of, of, ATL. We started getting the side. Stepping up and going, we're Atlanta, nigga. Like, that was that was, it was no more turning back from there. And speaking of, like, I heard a song that I had never heard in Atlanta. And it's, the crazy thing is, I thought about you when I heard the song just because of the context

that, that I met this girl in Atlanta. That's the Lord in your mouth. Kilo. Right. And Big Boy. Do you, when you hit, do you know what song that is? Kilo's one of the first stars I'm here. Kilo? That's Kilo. Being around during that time, like, do you take it?

Like, you know what I mean, I'm that big of an influence. Do you see your influence in them type of songs? I mean, I was trying to be a part of it, man. I was, I was there. I used to be on fucking old National Highway at a shooters pool hall when they fucking put on the MJG and 8 ball album coming out hard and let the whole album play. What the fuck him?

The whole album play, how they're dancing, nigga, shoot, pool. Drinking, just let it play. Like, for real. So, I mean, nigga, I can tell you, I can tell you Atlanta history, nigga. I let it. I win him for it, bro. I go back, like, Playboy Palace. Right.

Come on fucking Nicky's on Stewart. Before they change the name, down the street from here. Mm-hmm. That was the shit. So what made you? That was a stroll. The $5 table dance made me do it. The $5 table dance.

Like, you heard about that at Oakland was like, nigga was like, hey, nigga, you know what it's a place called Atlanta. Let's think about the $5 table dance. Right. You got Magic City, $10 a table dance. Come on. You got the Gold Club up there. talking about 10 and 20 and all that shit, and they

ain't anybody going there. Every other club $5.00, bust it open. $5 a song, my wife. That shit made me choke. You get one song. Keep it up, give it up, don't stop. Ain't nothing but a table top. Keep it up, keep it up, don't shop.

You're trying to get some $20. You're just a regular nigga. You're coming up to $20 to get you one drink, bust open four records, and leave. Like me, I don't go on. Now, I did get the experience of a $5 table dance. I can't say that. I've been here.

That long, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, this nigga, boy, that's all we did. What no bottles and tables? We walked one country-ass home, boy, but he and this motherfucker that ran up $300 worth of $5. Talk about, talking about, I thought he was stealing me. What? It's you stupid.

They come back with the best way. You know, you know what he said. $300. Yeah, I said how many dances is that. That's what I said. I said, how many dances you're going to get? How many days you're going to get? He said, I knew the shit wasn't going to end where when that nigger came back.

We're like, man, I think stupid, like me. I was like, what? She had worked. She's a red up a tab with that stupid ass. Hey, and this niggins sitting there watching. He's locking eyes on. The nigga said, the niggins said, I don't know, man, she bribed it. I said, no, no.

No. And the fuck down the part of the guy sitting in there and walk out and handing the money to Frank the bank. You'd be like, God, what the fuck is this guy? No, hey, no bullshit. They worked a deal. But it wasn't like there was a low budget, though. That was the norm. Right.

It was like, I show you the pictures, nigga. Please. You got fucking, um... Oh, they were bad. All the clubs had a cameraman. So the cameraman, you like, you like the way she danced, like the way she looked. Right.

You like, cameraman, let me get a picture with her. Bust it open. $5 for the picture. Is you with a girl, you've been lacking all night, butt-ass naked. Right. If I was down, I would have that shit blown up in my eyes. You could say bust it open like that.

Right. Bend it over, bust it open. You can say, let me hold it in the picture. Right. Five dollars. That's why I love the flame. So in saying that, it's saying that. It's...

I got pictures, let me hold it. Let me just take that. I got... How you doing? How you're fine? That's it. I got a picture of Magic City. Furn naked ones on this side.

Four naked ones on that side. Legendary, man. Tell him about Freak Nick for the people that that didn't go, because you said you hurt. And I feel like you had to have influence on Freak Nick. All the shit. was doing that freak nick probably only more we could air it so 92 right 92 we get a phone call after this shit already happened we get the word like man this thing happening in

Atlanta it's called the freak niggas you know because we got Oakland niggas that's out here going to school right we got a couple of niggas hell of education my nigga yeah right nigger big hell yeah hey i'm here doing heller good i'm on the honor roll town business Hell of good. We got niggins at Mo Brown, Clark, and at, uh... The whole A-U-Z. And, what's the-Morhow? Moreau.

Morehouse. Yeah, we got little humbys at all of them. So we get the word, it's a cool party. Piedmont Park, Freak Nick, big-ass picnic, big-ass park. We come back from 93, the shit, I guess a lot of people told people where they was from. And the shit spilled out the park onto the streets, nigger. That's probably the first time I just seen like, like, like, like just disrespectful Daisy Dukes,

just hanging out the roof, hanging out the drop top. They're hanging out the window. They're on the corner. It went good for two years. You see the little braw they do a little show for you, kick it, ass chicks hanging out. We don't got nothing like that on the West Coast at the time. Ain't no ass chicks hanging out of jeans shit.

Right. Doesn't exist. You got the... This is a... It's like, that's a culture. Listen, you got the... You got the... This d'nick, too short hair, binoculars.

You got you come to the southern... We need to get some of that on our murk line. Hold on, wait, we got to have a moment as black men. Can you imagine as a black man the first time... You see some ass hanging out. But the first time it happened in black man history, like, what the fuck is going on? But you know, I'm on Daisy Dutrake for the white girl. Yeah.

So she was always wore the shorts. But her ass, she ain't had no ass like... But that on the downside thing, the jeans short cut them all the hair hanging out there. You know, I miss... I miss... I miss when you see a big old. and you knew it was a big-o-ass. They don't know what the fuck you might be in now.

It wasn't my way to make one. Right, right. You didn't get that shit, man. That shit. You hit that motherfucker. That shit feels like. I know some girls right now with big old asses from their grandmama. And they'd be like, these bitches and fucked up the game.

Yeah. Because they're getting sweaty for it. They big old natural ass. Right. And they're like, oh, your fake booty. Like, no, that's grandma hand me down. No, when you see a real ass, it's a thing to see. You should know a real ass.

You should know a real ass. But you know a half. They didn't have seen enough ass. No, we haven't seen a lot of ads. Even if you know what I'm sad. But I knew it. Yeah, yeah. You still don't know.

You get that good doctor. Them legs hit you wrong, though. You got to get... Ass legs, calves. You got to get... So, Frickneck 93 was the one that fucking just... It was legendary. Right.

And then... And then luckily, it was... Ninety-four was magical. Because even, like, we went to 93. We was like, when y'all get back home, like, eight of us went. Don't tell... a narrow Oakland nigga about this shit.

Nah, nair, not a nigger, we got to be the only one. Niggas told. To all the one. Yeah, how you're not going to tell, nigga, I'm sorry, I can't hope you're getting on. You're showing video tape. Bring his ass hanging out these shorts down.

Yeah, I swear to God, I lost. I swear to God, I went down there, bro. I see five big asses hanging out the bottom of some shorts. Man, get this, niggas. Please, bro, we got to go to Atlanta. Alright, you can't hold that. Brother, listen, my brother, when I'm telling you, Uh-huh.

They down there. Well. In Atlanta, Georgia. Ass everywhere. They got on just enough shorts. Just enough. Just enough. Pussy hanging out the side?

Oh, you already say that first time. You said pussy hanging out the side. Now, see, this is another moment. It's another moment in Black History. Pusses don't even hang out the side no more. These pusses directly in the middle. Hey, live, folks. These pusses fit perfectly in a pair of pants.

There ain't no extra meat hanging out. Oh, that's how you know that. Globe Woman is real. Happy trail right there. Yeah. That's a skateboard right now. Yeah. But that was acting too, because they're jumping on top of car.

So they're gonna have another. They back doing that. They twirking on hair lights, though. 94 niggas from everywhere. Chicago, niggas, Detroit, nigg. Everybody called everybody. Miami niggas coming up, everybody. New York nigg.

They're all out here looking at the thing. And it went off good. The girls was doing the twerk. It was still going, you know, bam, take a picture. You know, you get the camera or something. Not a camera phone, but you like, She's like, have a real camera. Big-ass.

Can't cool. Big-ass camcorder with the VHS in it. Facts. You like, that hitting it, she hitting it for you, keep it moving. Cool. I don't know what happened after that. I don't know if y'all heard about Freak Nick 95 and 96.

Nigger. Freak Nick 95, it's first day. I think I was somewhere like the underground. You know, we worked with P Street walking around. Niggas, these niggas see like a cute girl. A whole mushroom and niggas run over to her. she come out running butt-ass naked they're pulling

they're grabbing they're like trying to grab like niggins freak dick 96 was all dudes no females came back nah that wasn't freak nick yeah because y'all don't call the weird that was dick nick right then it was some females but it wasn't the same

my father was over there they didn't even try to have a 97 it was so bad that was dick Nick that wasn't no freaks every picture they were taking they were grabbing at I was all my women they got two fucking They couldn't handle it. They couldn't just stand back

and enjoy the beauty of what they was presenting. See, that's why you ain't want to niggins to tell nobody because you knew the word to get out of the way. Dang. They weren't keeping in blood. It was all the thing. It was in 1990s.

And 96. Yep. Fuck y'all. It could have kept on to this day if niggas wasn't too fucking. We can't do a freak net now. We can revap it. No, you can't.

It ain't never going to be like that. It can't tell nobody. They can't tell nobody. They can't be like that, though. That led it to my next question. No, you can't. Give them times back then, like, you didn't transition through times. Niggi, it's amazing that you can still be you and don't have to change who you are as the culture has changed to where everybody's so offended by shit.

What do you think separates you from having to deal with the type of shit that people think is offensive now? Well, me personally, I wasn't just being, like, disrespectful in my song. I was like, you're a bad bitch. I'm like, you're a punk bitch. I was like, you know what I'm saying? I was confident These were positive bitches I'm just

I'm looking down in this middle I'm listening to bitch You're a beautiful bitch I'm just saying The way the shit evolved Man I kind of put myself in a position where If you notice

Listen to the old two short songs Listen to the new two short songs When I walked in Y'all was playing like I ain't gonna do it They all got a little bit of humor in it So if you're gonna sit here And like kind of like

say something about the bitch, at least make her smile. Right. You know what I'm saying? The logic. Do you get this shit? You're going to talk about the bitch. At least talk about her in a positive manner. Now listen, I've always deflect. Look, look, at this segment right now, we are not talking to you

specifically. Don't be in them comments responding to the shit that we're saying. This is not directed to you. This is about the bitch. This is about the bitch. That's what I said. I always deflect. So I say, listen to the way I write the song. I'm like, she did this shit.

She's a bitch. I never say you a bitch to the girls. You know what I'm saying? I always get the female the option to rap along with me. And you know that first defense is going to be like, who hurt you? The niggins that fuck that freak nigga 96 is the 95 and 96. They always want to know who hurt us. It's the culture.

It didn't hurt me. The pimpin heard me. It was the terrible. When they told me the rules, I was like, wow, those are the rules. That's the hell of a standard that had to follow. It really is. Those are the rules? Yeah, I like the pimping rules, so I was like, I think I'm going to go with this shit.

You're going to stick with this. Treat me like a pimp. Even if I ain't got no hose, treat me like a pimp. Oh shit. That's the coldest shit in the world right there. Listen, even if I ain't got no hose, treat me like a pimp. Don't do me like that. See, we're going to put that in the Bible of two short quotes.

What? I'm saying, like, that's what it is. It's like, I don't care what you do in life. If you watch, walking there with that attitude. Females are allowed to think like that too. Treat me like a motherfucker pimp. Even if I ain't got no more.

I get my fingernails done all day. I count money. Bits just roll my weed for me. You feel me? Yeah. I don't do shit. If I walk in the room, you disrespect me, I ain't fucking with you.

If I walk in the room and you ain't got my money, I ain't fucking with you. Shit. Hell yeah, man. That's the one right there. You just cut it off. I still want my money, but I ain't fucking with you still.

Pimp shit. Give me like a pimp, even though. Ain't got no home. I'm sorry. I got business. Man, you might have just changed my whole thought process. I don't know. I'm gonna go home and get cussed the fuck out.

What's going home in the building? Hey! Bitch, I ain't rolled up. Roll my week. Don't get beat the fuck. Don't come back with no black eyes. Two people are going to have you fucked up. Hey, get on me.

Then she started swinging. I don't know what. I don't know what. You don't know about the choosing fee, right? Of course. Yeah, the choosing fee is like, that's rule number one. I don't know no rule, because I think I ain't, I don't know what guy at line I'm going by.

Before you allow her in your life, you gotta put a number on it. She has to pay to get in your life. So if your number is five grand, 10 grand or higher, you like-de-de-de-he had a discount, they had coupons. Take all receipts, thank you, we'll see what you do, ooh, what are you doing from? It's cold.

There's a group-on. He's cold, us. Ooh, Sabelagel. I like Save a lot. Brixie came up and handed flat at long CVS. Where are you going to get it on? Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious.

So hold on to choose the price, that's what you got. Okay. Choose the fee. It's not a price. Price, it's not a price. It's a fee. You got to be paying. I'm like, okay, you like me, baby.

There's a fee if you like it. Let me put a number on it. What about $150. $10. Tell me yourself. Let me see you got it. Okay. I ain't got that either.

I take a $20. You can't get going down. Hey, but look at this, though. Look at this. My choosing fee, 10. I'm going to tell you, truth of shit. All right? Just try it.

A little chick going to be flirting with you, whatever. Choose it feed. Just try, just say. Shottie, I really wouldn't want to fuck with you, but you got to like, give me at least $1,000 to make me look your way. No way. He's trying to. Hey.

You're going to have to give me your number before I try that shit. Oh look. I got to have your direct contact. Hey, hold up. Wait, hey, stop. Stop. Real quick. She ain't going for it.

Nick what I'm going to say next. Hey. That's the worst thing she can say it's no. That's the worst. That's the worst. You're going to say, hell no. How many times in the day do a chick tell a nigga hit that cash out, nigga? Yeah.

Reverse. See what happens. Yeah. That's why I'd be like, what these bitches get the game from? From us? No wonder they got the guy every month. Reverse the shit, see what happens. It works.

It really works. So the bit at me, I want a purse. I'm like, ha ha, I want some socks. She's coming in. You're selling yourself short. You're telling yourself short, though. You got to go crazy. He said, I want expensive socks.

He said a thousand dollars. You thought I wrote a haynes. I was $2,000 worth it. You got to give it. You got to give you. You gotta give me some motivation But that's the thing, let me ask you this though With that type of game

What they call it, get it off by shopping list Do you have to be in a certain position As a man to be able to have that work for you Because you can say that it would work Because, nigga, you're too short I'm gonna say this to the camera Niggins that know it, know that Nigger, you should be able to pin from zero

You should be able to come up from zero From zero You must, it's the gift of gab You should be able to come up from nothing You should look in the mirror and go, niggie, we're gonna get it today. Come on. So the niggas that don't go to get it from,

give them some places that they can go to get it from. Give them a few places for the niggins that don't have the ability to be able to. You can't give it to all. If you feel like you haven't got no game, I would highly recommend probably listening to two short album, one through 20. There you go.

There you go. Get out of your shit like it's a fucking, like buy you some, for the little educated motherfucker. Pippin ain't always about having a bitch selling some pussy It's always not this It's the game for this It's a game

Right Now you ain't lightning motherfuck Because you got motherfucking You got motherfuck You're like oh they're talking about selling Bull. No, this ain't got to do with a vagina Saddle of socks

No Hey This is stupid I wouldn't go home This bitch I need thousand dollars to breathe You know what niggas ain't realized lady?

You'll let me down These hoses pimping Oh of course They are running it loud and clear. And I'm like, these niggas don't see what's going on. But, yeah, that's where the game comes up. Day one when I meet you, clocking in, and niggas is doing it.

You get the game, and that's where the game is coming. Like, I was always told that, you know, the ones that really are successful in the game and the ones that get it wrong. This thing is stupid, man. He said he's $1,000 to breathe. No one of the bigger let me die. I ain't breathing until you put it in my head.

Yeah. You heard every photo, man. She said, D.C., you hella funny. You're hella funny. I just want to fuck with you. Oh, shit. Like, my life is complicated right now. It's gonna probably take 5,000,

uncomplicated. In fact. Bid, I need $2,000 worth of socks. Right now. Bitch, woman telling you, I can't breathe. You can't breathe. A special socks. Spensive socks.

And you gotta be bare for you do a little bit. When you do a little bit, I need socks right now for your toes. That's crazy. I did try to. I got a pimp one time. What did you did? It did work.

Did you do what you said? It's real talk. No, it looked like I was a bender. I was like, you got something fun because I need it back. I got a homie that he pulled up in the bins, take her to his nice house, spent a little dough on her, then he doubled back on her and say,

man, I'm in this fucking business situation. I'm about the greatest deal in the world. I'm about 10 G short. He didn't show her all the money he got and everything. She's like, I got you. This was his job If she didn't go for it He was the last date

Didn't he meet a new one Because he sized and he went up Like you look like you got a little paper chick, the female He's just like he showed her the money first Spend a little bit then like Damn I got the situation Boutin's show

Yeah you know You're fucking with grown-ass woman With a little savings She's like going to get it I'll help you You didn't knock it down Yeah You know what I'm saying

Knock it down You know you know You already know You know fucking, like, shoulder, like, you ain't no broke, niggas, your house flies, fuck, car? But what if he went through, like, six girls and they really didn't have it, but he spent it.

No, it's not a short for real, not. No, it's not. You know, it's been two, two, two, two. You're basically. You're like, man, I'm fucked up for real. I'm like, man. No, it's not a problem. Like, no.

Not a problem. So no, not a problem. Man, is you ever had a, like, you ever been in a relationship or had a girlfriend or anything like that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, but, you know what I'm saying? With that mentality, do they have to accept

or treat you like a pimp even when you ain't got no hose I said treat me like a pimp I didn't say I was a pimp I never even because this rap game this shit I did this shit pay me way better than anything I could do

trying to pimp hos and then as you know in hip hop right now I was kind of like ahead of my curve back in the day I'm like well shit if I rap about pimping and then I start pimping

I'm going to jail nigga right yeah I'm like gonna rap about some criss some criminal shit and then do the crimes so I basically reverse psychedity

I've even the pimps that know that I represent the game and all the pimps that fucking me they know what I was doing they're like nigga you're reping the game we're making the kind of music that we like to ride to my one homie he used to um it was a reward for his hose

if she would hoe up enough he had many holes if she would hoe up enough bitch you get the meat too short That man called me He's like, what you're at? I need to do the thing He said

One time he said The digger pipsed so hard One time he said Bitch, bitch there you? Dang What's my favorite word? How are you doing, girl? I heard you was a superstar He was getting that shit girl

That time 10 Oh man, went even hold That's better than let Bruce Bruce hit it. More effective, too. Bitcher, you hoe up. You get to me too short. Get to me too short. Right.

I did that for my homie. For sure. Wow. But you're saying that, like, what does authenticity mean to you in this game, like in the rap game? What is that? Because you just said, nigga. I got a problem with authenticity right now these days because it got too real. It got too fucking real.

It's like you wanted it to, you wanted to paint a picture that felt real. look real, in the video, whatever. You wanted to paint a picture. Yeah, they paint the bitch of now, a cramp scene picture. You didn't really want a same. Compository. He knew.

Take niggas like Jay-Z and E-40 and a few other niggas. They perfectly talk about retro slang and cocaine. Right. In a non-incriminating way. Yeah. In the 80s. I sold so much dope.

Not I sell so much dope. Right. And they did the shit, you know, thinking I'm not about to incriminate myself. rap got hella real, man. So I'm like, authenticity was a thing. I think it's like, it's a bad thing now. I think, I mean, it's too real.

I think that because when you started, the rap game was a representation of the streets. And now it's kind of reversed where, you know, the streets is rap. You know what I mean? It turned into it. It turned into the reverse. And speaking of that, like, you've been around for a long time.

I personally have a theory where I think the streets was way worse in the 80s and the 90s. But I believe now that we got the fact that we can see all of the crime happening and it's so readily available, it just seems like it's worse. The numbers are not as high. So do you believe that it was, you know, you hear people say now all the time that being a rapper is the most dangerous job in the world and, you know, rest and peace of the brother, P&B Rock, but do you believe being as a rapper as long as you have that it truly is the most dangerous job in the world? has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness,

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of us. So listen to there are no girls on the internet on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think that we're about to get into the energy shit now, because I think the energy is real. And you sit there, you could go back and look at rappers like Spice One, who was, you know, he went and found his way in the world and did shit, but in the early days of his career, a lot of people wanted to, like, fuck with him and fight him, because he was like, I'm a killer. I'm like, you know what I'm like, you know what? He had to, like, go through some trials and tribulations on getting past

saying I'm the toughest nigga out here take a nigga like DJ Quick right now niggas niggas been blooded up forever right nigga blood this red out and red raggits all

it's commercializes everywhere but when DJ Quick first started making records he said I'm a blood from content it was a whole lot of Crip niggas in L.A. and around the country that was kind of like a little bit more out there

and the blood shit was like bloods used to stick together the numbers was lower and it was like They wasn't really, like, flaunting that shit like that. It was some real shit, but they wasn't really going, you know, in the rap song, yeah, I'm a blood, this, nothing. DJ Quick did it? Carled a lot of flack.

Like, he had to go through a lot of shit to blaze that trail. But now, you know what I'm saying? Niggas is like, I'm from this specifics. I'm from this hood. These are my enemies. On a daily basis, we try to kill these niggas. And then when they do kill a nigger, they'd be like, yeah, we got so-and-so. Smoking on.

Yeah, they're smoking on them. Yeah. Yeah, nah, you're flaming the mother. You fucking, like, fanning the flames and fucking like telling yourself. Like, it's just got too fucking real. And I think that the reason why I got a problem with is because the rap fans started saying, I ain't gonna support you if I find out you're not the real deal. So then niggas who really wouldn't have been rappers in my day,

because they was too real for it, they're the rappers now. Like, the nigga who's the prolific writer, With the insight, the little, you know, the artist... The little artisting in the hood. He can't even get in now because he ain't got no goddamn track record. Right, right. They're going to let him in.

Yeah, you said the difference back then they was pulling up on you making you make tapes about them. Yeah. Mad days, nigga like, fuck it, what the studio at that? I'm going to make a song about me. Yeah, my homeboy, he's like, yeah, nigga, make a song, nigga about a little nigga was sixth grade selling cigarettes.

A nigga had to shoot things. I was like, I was in the sixth grade selling cigarettes. Yeah, now that thing is. a rapper. That nigger the rapper. Shit changed, right. Yeah, it did. But, I mean, you know, as a hip-hop fan, and we all are, like, we love the music. Like, I remember

being young and thinking that Master P really was Master P, nigga, the ice cream, man, because you don't have nothing to differentiate, because you, it's the narration of the environment that you come from. You mean, you thought he was selling Coke. He paid you for him so well. And out of ice cream truck. Out of ice cream

truck. This one needs to have white. This one needed to have a great man. Man, for real. This is what need to happen right now. Right. Right the fuck now. These little niggas, the young niggas is getting all this fucking money. You need to look up and realize the main nigger is the bag nigger.

You have a bag nigger. He's like the leader of your crew. He's the one who generates the income. We all eating off what he's doing. Right. We got to protect this nigger to all ends. Like he's motherfucking Barack Obama. This nigga needs a little D security detail.

Yeah. Like my little homie that went to high school would fucking, You need to watch these niggas like that from now on. Like, nigga, you're gonna go where? Nah, you ain't going there. We're gonna send the three homies with the things with you. Like, we gotta do that forever. Right.

I call it protect the bag. Right. We're not protecting the bag if you let. Okay, we all niggas, right? Right. He are a star. We about to get in the fight. He can't fight with us.

Right. Like, two niggas with the bank, take him back. Boy, you got to bail us out, right. You got to come get up. Yeah, we need him to keep the goddamn job. Yeah. Like, niggas, somebody really got. You really gotta take the fucking fall for the money, man.

You gotta do it, man. You're like, nigga, I'm gonna shoot this nigga for you. Get caught or not. You ain't gonna never have to worry about that. Right. And then you're gonna make sure of that nigga. It's great. Yeah, and that's how I was supposed to go.

But we ain't, though. Y'all niggins ain't trained like that. I'm telling them right now. Right. Protect the bag, nigga. Like, treat this nigga like he's the president. If he's the nigga that's bringing the money to your neighborhood, to your block to your crew,

protect that nigga, man. Even if he want to come run to the fight, he want to be in it, he wants to take. Nigger, take his gun, stop him. You don't got to fight no more, nigga. You are a star. But see, that was, I would think that was easier to do back in the time. We got to go back to it.

We got to go back to it. But it's so difficult to do that when everybody got the ability to show what they're doing 24-7. Because like you said, if you're a bag, right, let's say it's 1985 in that mentality, it's easy for us to run that mentality. But when everybody got somebody, hey, man, you ain't got no chain. You ain't got this in your comments every time you post the picture. It does something to make you want to be the president now. No?

That's just a beat-haired nigga with no seven things. You're the real thug in the crew. You're the nigga that dude the most of the heavy work for the crew. Right. You got to override that nigga in his new thinking. It got like, nigga, no. You can't go nowhere and no one by yourself. You can't.

My niggas just told me that. They say, oh, gee, we got to stop you from floating around the way you floating around because it's shit getting crazy out here. And I'm like, damn, I've been floating like this for a long time. They're like, nah, it's just different. Like, they're looking like, damn, we clip the bag. Even though you're the OG, we still can't clip the bag.

We got to keep the bag, man. Protect the fucking bag, bro. And also, even like, the main nigga might not understand it. That's why you're the hardest nigga in the crew. Protect this nigga, man. Like, even he don't even want you to do it. Do it anyway. The nigga ain't tough as you.

Tell a nigga, nigga. Go home. You can't come out. You're going to go get your phone and bring it back. Like, fuck that. This shit is too hot, man. They shoot R&D niggas, man. They shot a little T.J.

Real shit. Niggins. That nigga got one of my favorite songs, I was hella mad when they shot a little. I don't even know the nigga. I was hell of mad. That shit would be crazy. That's kind of weird, too.

And niggas got to understand we've got to stop letting senseless niggas to be able to approach certain people. You see what I'm saying? The little D-Rules. Right. No, you just said, what's up? gotta ask to say what's up

just can't walk on the motherfucker president nigga you see the White House every day but you ain't walking on this grass they'll walk up with you with their phone out before they said anything to you that's what I'm saying like that's a difference in being a celebrity now versus being a celebrity when you came out now that's another

question for you do you think that it's do you enjoy being a celebrity back then when fame was what it was when you first hit versus now when you have all the access everything on planet Earth was better before social media nigga everything was better. Everything. Only thing wasn't better was all the platforms of getting all that

money. But, oh my God, life? Life? You could live a night, and that night stay there. Nicky, nobody captured the image of that night. Oh, my God. Can you imagine living that life? I always said that I felt like I'd probably been famous in the 80s. Brother, that night that

you live, nobody got one picture. Nobody had a goddamn camera. It's word of mouth. Right. Unless you was in Magic City, but four naked was this way. And full naked was Nets didn't want autographs because nobody had a fucking pencil on, more a pen. Right.

It was cool. Right. They see you like a motherfucker. They start. So let me get a picture. All the niggas just get back then was like, my nigger, I fuck with you. I fuck with you. Like, you can give a nigger a moment.

That was, that was it. That was all the nigga needed. Do y'all remember y'all old enough for this? Do y'all remember when a nigger could not ask another nigger for a picture? Like, dare take a selfie with two niggas? What? Selfie just got okay this year. Yeah.

A nigger be like, nah. Nah, I couldn't imagine the nigger taking a selfie with the back then, they could pull out the Polaroid, quip, rap, rap, rap, rap, rap, rap, right, right, right. Five, flat, flat, got to rewind it back? No, that was a different time. You didn't go get all the pictures they from here down. Nick, there ain't nobody. Fuck!

No, I think that they'll weigh more structure. We lost a lot of structure with the fucking internet shit. I don't know who the fuck people be trying to impress. They just, I don't know what the fuck they think they're going to. I'm not supposed to be talking. I'm going to magically show up and be like, wow. You know who did it? It was DJ Callet and Snapchat.

When he took that fucking, was it Snapchat? When he took that fucking camera and showed everybody where he was at? Yeah. I drove everybody crazy. Everybody wanted to show you where they was at after that. I mean, it's deeper than that. Nick is showing you what they ate the day, what color their shoe strings is, and everything.

Like, it's just, it's like if you don't show it on social media, social media never happened versus when you was coming up with, nigga, if you showed it, it didn't happen. See, when the shit was new, if you showed it was sharing. Yeah, exactly. That's what you got to be like, I don't know who the fuck that is in that person. That shit went from sharing to oversharing. But on the positive side, the funny

shit is winning. I stay in tune with social media platforms and the funny shit is outnumbering all the other goofy shit standing by cars that ain't yours and fucking lying about your day. That shit kind of like moving to the side for the funny shit's winning. Everybody like

niggas who ain't even funny and woke up like, I'm about to start feeling funny. Even though they ain't funny they still try. You can edit that shit down on editing.

But I really think social media is taking care of itself by being funny and the informative shit is dope. Like the dope parts about it. The fake shit,

you know what I'm saying? I feel bad for all the chicks who fucked their body up for social media. I feel really bad. Like I wish they wouldn't did that.

Like you want to take a picture and get a million followers. Right. They called himself an influencer. That was she said. We had one girl, she said, I want to be an influencer. And we were like, oh shit.

That became a goal now. You want to influence people to do what? You do what? She had no idea. She had no idea. We were like, what you influence you? And that natural beauty is a winner. Right?

Yeah, there's always going to read. It's like the absolute beauty is a one lady. Come on. You got that point. You're already fine. You tried to tell him. Ladies in hell, like, thank you, oh. You're already fine.

You ain't got to do none of that shit. You're beautiful, babe. So I like the term is taking now with, you know, the creative shit, all the new little edits and shit, and, you know, making people be a little more creative. I like that. You see, you come from the time of the video vixen. That don't exist no more.

It's all Instagram models now. But you was back in the time when it was the video vixen. Smooth magazines. Smooth magazine. You know what I mean? Like, you come from out of that air. You come from out of different. Yeah.

You come from out of different. So, like, you didn't walk through so many different decades and eras in this game. Like, what's your favorite decade? I mean, what's your favorite era in hip hop? I told you, my years in Atlanta was very special. That would have been, um, 93 to 08. Mm. That was like, that was a good time.

Yeah, you had a lot of fun at Freakening. You moved to Atlanta, Atlanta, right, and never went back. That would get run. 15 years. 15 years. Oh, water run. Off the man. You saw Atlanta go do a lot of shit in that time period.

I remember when you go to Magic City and, you know, the baddest girl in there, they're dancing and shit. You were like, what you're doing later? And she'd be like, I don't know what shit. I'm like, that smell of weed. She's like, Nick, I'm coming with you. That's all they too. That's great. I tried that shit one day and shit, like, niggie, I don't do nothing to $1,000, nigga.

Facts. Oh, she gets you with your own shit. on shit. I mean, I'm just saying. It started like 04, 05, it was like, we used to get strippers, like, just to kind of video shoot just to hang out. Right.

I'm not a stripper like, bitch, I'm about to go get some pieces. Yeah. And, you're going to the house. Like, it was like, I just want to hang out with you, nigga. Yeah. 05, 04. Done. I'm like, uh...

I love how you got specific dates when the game got fucked up. I'm like, I'm shooting the video. She's like, and? I'm like, it like about eight girls pull up on the video Saturday. They're like, we want fucking 2,000 each. Like, what? Yeah. They're dead-ass serious. It's not as weed right here.

What's wrong with you? It was evolution, though, bro. You said, it was over the fuck? It was evolution, man. Let's start, let's not disrespect to win it. Chip drill, the credit cards swipe down the ass. Price is went up, bro. Everything went up.

Don't bite your tongue. Don't be scared to say, BMF. That was that time. Yeah, that's about to say. I was just about to say that. They were garbage bags full of ones. That bitch. So every then,

I was talking to a bitch that was my friend. Right. It's my friend. I know her. You know how you got your strip club friends. We chop it up. We laugh and I ain't buying no damn.

She's my home girl. Right. And then them, them nymphs me in trash bags. I'm howliss you lay the show. No. I'm like, you ain't never got in me like that.

Later, nigga. Yeah. Bunny. You got the flow. The nigs have been in making rain. Yeah. He wasn't even called making rain before them. What was it called?

Nothing. Throwing money. Throwing money. You were handing them to do today. It was called DJ. Let me get a hundred ones. Right. Can I get a hundred one?

Let's do the nigga song. What did the nigga say in the song? I told the DJ, can I get another hundred ones? Yeah. Nick, a hundred ones was the shit. Hey, DJ, let me get a hundred ones. The DJ had the money. Right.

Yeah. Still do if you go to the flame. Right there. The flame is like, The flame is special. The flame is special. Can y'all have a moment for the flame? Yeah.

Yeah. I told you five out of the day. True story. Just for hold of the integrity of what ain't tomorrow. Come on, strip clubs are really supposed to be. I had never been to the strip club down here before. Like, never had you ever seen a funeral at the flame? No, no, no, no.

Listen, I'm gonna tell you this story. I had never been. Me and Lowe's riding around. We had just got, we had just came from doing something. It's like 2.30 in the morning. I'm like, bro, it's, I'm hungry. Take me to checkers real quick. He was like, we ain't gonna' motherfucking checkers.

Yeah. I was like, all right. He said, we going to the flame. I was like, all right, whatever, nigga. We go to the strip club. I'm like, nigga, you know I don't fuck with the strip club like that. He said, nigga, just come on. Nigel, by the time I got their food, they bought out their kitchen.

I was eating macaroni and cheese and baked chicken and collard greens. And you look up as bitches everywhere. I'm like, I don't think I ever want to leave here, kid. This is the most amazing shit I ever see. I went to the blue flame one night, nigga. It was a casket in the motherfucking parking lot. They were like, the nigger whoever's in the casket. He liked the flame so much.

They just brought his body there. just hang out in the parking life for the night. Niggins, isn't that motherfuckling like them? That's... Watch it who's. I know who that is,

but I ain't gonna say it at a respect. It might have happened one time, but I was there. No, it ain't, it wasn't. It was a... It's a tradition. Like, niggas... Niggas from the west side.

Yeah, you pull up to the flame? They arrived you through the flame, yeah. I ain't got that on my wheel. I see that. No, I'm just saying, bro, it's like, a nigger, a lot of niggas, new place, though, like, a lot of niggas. Right. Riving through the flag. Yeah, I got an amendment to make, yeah, uh, ride me through the flag.

They do the, like the family would do that, like, yeah, shawdy low. Yeah, shawdy low. So, nigga, look, I ain't just, but he wasn't the first one to do it, he man. It's a traditional west side thing. Oh, that shit going. Well, you're from the west side. I didn't know that that were part of the going in mine now.

I ain't just come to Atlanta, nigga, just hang out with celebrities and shit. Put the flame. You were the celebrity. I came here, I linked in with the celebs. I did that shit, but I mean, I was, I went deep east. How you link her with Lil' John? Yeah, that song, Who You With?

Who you with? Who you with? I try to get the remix on that. And I said, I used to see Little John rocking the parties, and I never would really like, probably say nothing more than what's up. knew exactly who he was. He knew who I was.

But one day, I just rolled up on it. I said, pray, you need to let me, um, you need to let me rap on that remix. Who you would, didn't have no rapper. It was all chance. Oh, yeah, this, yeah. To the fuck, to the fuck. Yeah, like, nobody, nobody busts any kind of bars.

Yeah. I was like, nigga, let me rap on that. And then later in life, who rapped on it? DeRoe. Ice cream paint job? I'm fucking hit. I've been telling you, nigga, let me rap on it. Right.

He said, nah, we got to make something new. That's what we made, couldn't be a better player. And the day he came by the studio, my studio, I wasn't there. Y'all know where my studio was at? Where? Oakland City, nigga. What? That's crazy.

You get off the Oakland City martyr, stop, and walk. You found Oakland down here. You found Oakland. That's right. Yeah. Wayside shit, man. Jill Street, yeah. Yeah, I know what he is.

You know what the niggins talk about? The Atlanta niggas told me, they're like, nigga, I'm going to put the studio over there, nigga. Right. They're like, they're Dill Street, niggins. You're still in you your studio until the day. I hope so, but look. Niggia, Oakland City,

I went straight to the niggas, like, nigga, what's up, man, I love y'all, y'all, nigg's street, love y'all, niggas. Niggas, right around the fucking, Nicky's, uh, steward ad around the corner, running shoe, all that shit.

Yeah. What's your studio on the corner? No, it's in the middle. Cross street from that middle school. It's in the middle. Okay. Man, that's... Some two little brick buildings in the middle.

Oh, city, man. It's straight west side shit, on the end of Campton, you did. What y'all make when you? They said the Oakland city niggas was robbing everybody. I don't know if that's true, but they said... I mean, they will. They were like on the edge.

So when you and Lil John made, you got together, you all made the joint. And then you said later on... We kept making songs, bro. We just kept making songs, bro. We just can't make a song. Little John, I don't know why I'll tell that story. Tell the story. If it long...

I'm gonna tell the short version. Okay, man. Little John was in a contract. Right. And I bought the contract out. He was, like, in a contract dispute with somebody. And I was, you know, he couldn't do what he wanted to do.

Right. And I just, I knew the nigg was. who had the contract and I was like, he didn't want, no gangster shit, wasn't no tough shit, I was just like, I was like, bro, what's up with you and John? He's like, John, owe me some money, ain't letting him out of the contract.

I was like, how much money? He told me the mountain, I was like, bam. I was like, what I owe you? I was like, niggas, just give me beats forever. Right. Beats forever. I don't know, that's crazy. No, I'm saying, I knew he was the shit.

I didn't want to sign him, because he was already A&R and so, so deaf. The record, the records we was doing, and he was breaking him. Yeah. Couldn't be a matter of playing. And then being a little child, he was breaking those records

through his fucking channels of being a DJ and being an A&R, so-so dead. He was sending this shit out and the shit immediately blow up. So I'm like, I'm not trying to be his boss. Right. I'm like, nigga, I want to be your homie,

nigga, like, here, let's go. So, you know. Who are some of the other people that you caught before they blew up to where you was like? I just worked with Jazzy Fay a lot. Real? A lot.

I mean, we had the rim shop. Y'all know about the rim shop. Peace Street, Ralph McGill, the roof shop. Yeah. Yeah. They called the Eric Sherman Rem Shopper, you know, it was all of us.

It was, it was, it was Red Man, it was the Lost Boys. It was a lot of motherfuckers. Like, a lot of Tupacys coming out of the time. It was right now if you go to that corner where that rim shop was,

they tore that motherfucker down. There's a parking lot. Where was it? Ralph McGill. There's a church right there. To my Rob McGill, talking about right now. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you got to give us a Tupac story then. I know exactly how you a twopox story. Tupac's story, brother, like, that nigger is a... That nigger is a different nigga every time you see him. I've never seen the same Tupac twice. He was, like, they'd be trying to show the image of what Tupac was.

And, like, he was always, like, drastically different. Like, most Gemini's, you know what I'm saying? He's just... Man, Tupac stories. I used to really, like, when Tupac was in Oakland, before he... You know, he came out here for a little. long time too. He was in Atlanta for a long time. He was in L.A. for a long time.

And he was in Oakland in the bay. I knew a lot of his homies that he hung with because it was in music circles. And I was older than new niggas. I'm older than like all you niggis. So I would feel like I'm platinum. I've been platinum before most niggas. You know, shot G. Digital Underground was the leader of Digital Underground. But Tupac was a little homie in the crew. You can go look at an old video I put out um it's like short dogs in the house live in concert or something and shock gee is he's backstage being like the behind the scenes host for my for my video and Tupac just a little nigga in the background just damn he's a little homie but Tupac started he started coming of age and I really um I looked at him and I was like I like

the nigga right I looked at him I seen it and but I'm I'm east Oakland nigga right and I'm like seen him. He used to always keep his little thing. He was not a punk. He was like ready for whatever. He was a real one. But I was like, I cannot bring this nigga around my homies because it's going to be like oil and fire. And I was like, when Tupac got to L.A. and they let him get around, he went 10,000 miles an hour. I knew it. I was like, I cannot bring this nigga around my homies. So I literally made a conscious effort to not ever bring Tupac to, like, he got ridg. He found him. his way to Richie Rich. Right. Richie Rich plugged him. They, you know, all that, Brenda's got a baby and all that thing, you know what I'm saying? My geez, get to go.

That's one of my favorite songs. My homies call. You remember my homie's car. That's Richie Rich in the drop top. And, you know, he, you know, he gave Pock the town. But I said, I wouldn't do it because I didn't want that guilt of this. I knew he was like, he was going to take to that shit, like. Absorb it.

Yeah, and I was, I can't bring him around the niggas. Because the kind of niggas I was running with at the time there to be, like, oh, you want to be a G? Come on, nigga. Right. Come on, nigga, let's go be a G. I'm like, I'm not doing that to him. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that to none of y'all. That's real, that's real cheap, though. Man, welcome back to the 85 South Shore.

Yeah, man. We're here, Kim. Good game. We're too short today. Hey, what's up, Shemann, Carlos Miller of the 85 South Show, and I appreciate you checking out my guests. Oh, we're not through yet. Click the link so you can check out Part. two of this interview with my special guest. That's right. Click that link, part two.

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Tune in on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of family secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Summer's here, and with the kids home and off to camp, it's easy for moms to get lost in the shuffle. On Good Mom's Bad Choices, we're making space to center ourselves with joy, rest, and pleasure. Take the kids to camp. You know what? It was expensive. But I was also thinking, if you have my kid, this is kind of private. Take her, feed her, make core memories. I don't have to do anything. Main thing, I don't have to do anything. To hear this and more, listen to Good Mom's Bad Choices from Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast.