The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - Trinidad James in the Trap |The 85 South Show

Episode Date: January 20, 2023

Rapper and songwriter Trinidad James sits down with Karlous Miller, Chico Bean, Clayton English and Navv Greene.  || Subscribe to 85 SOUTH on YouTube: www.youtube.com/c/The85SouthShow || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.com || Custom Merch: www.85apparelco.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's good question in my niggins. I didn't ever say, motherfucker, Rick, go to work. I ain't know. Plains a president, man. And I didn't know you was going to make it one of these nights. When I sit with you, you're gonna make it a costume. See, you're not even ready to go to work. I mean, anybody else, I...

Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Yes, sir. Thank you. That's crazy. Come on. That's the type of shit you're doing shit when you're doing and get paper while your other niggas being lazy.

Let's kick it off because it's never fuguesing. Had a lady. She tried to graze me. Try to graze. I get a pregnant. You might have two or three babies. At one. That's how I'm living and chilling because I be pimping.

And I be ducking on holes like Boris Simpson. I need a bitch with blue hair like Marce Simpson. I'm getting homer, trying to get the dorm. Do you smell the aroma of this marijuana? Put a nigger in a coma. Now bring it back just like a spine. I start at six, but I don't never stop at nine. Don't let it go over your head.

Yeah, I ain't scared. You get what I'm on this? Had bitches licking on my left leg. Nasty. Because I'm that nigger. I do it bigger. And I've been in the basement, but my name ain't ticker. Oh, wait.

Yeah. Damn, that's what you said. My shit too big, can't nothing go over my head. Okay, that you said. I keep it going. Yeah. I keep on flooring. Come on.

And everybody in the building, they be knowing. They be known. You say you dunking on niggas like Bob Simpson. Yes, sir. Well, I'm a follow-up like Dominique Wilf. Come. Because I'm a goat. That's how you know.

Trinidad James in the motherfucking home. Nika, nigger, nigger. I said, all gold, everything. Yeah, I had a girl with some good coochie, even had an ear ring in it. Just wait a minute. And let me tell you what I said, what I just said. Yeah, so she spread the legs.

I seen the pierce her. I'm like, really? This is what we doing? I chipped my tooth because I'm just on the corner. I'll be chewing. You be chewing. On the coochie. That's crazy.

That's crazy. That's nasty. I'll be doing this shit. Said like the 80s. Like the 80s. Yeah. That's how you sing. You chew on the coochie, nap green.

He'd get mean. He'd be eating it. And don't be shan. Because you could tell from the way that he'd be tan through meals and he on the doctor. Now let me tell you about this dude and what he's doing. Because every time he gets the coochie, it'd be room. Yep. He'd be walking in listening to a little.

I seen this nigga right here make a coochie smoothie. Oh, damn, that's a man-wish. I heard you made a whole coochie sandwich and you manned it. Damn, listen that noise he just made. What the fuck was that? Dude with one more time, I.J. To shit go, damn.

God damn. Why you say that? Because now I want a coochie sounds. Hey man, welcome back to the 85 South Show. Let's go! Let's go! Oh, it's not open. It's not up.

It's just... Bring it back. Go ahead. Go ahead. All right, hold on. Well, let's get it right back where it was. This one right here is for the mothers and the cousins and stepbrothers. This for the gangsters and the pimps and the hustlers.

This for the crooks. Who reading books. This for the pretty girls that hung up on their looks. That's right. That do it bigger. This for the white folks with big figures. This for the foreigners. This for the immigrants.

This for the niggas who be wearing all them crazy pants. This for the chicks with real hair that's longer than weave. This for the people who bought teeth that they didn't even need. Hey, uh, that was kinda mean. I think you're talking about me with my uncircumcised jeans, but it's okay. Yeah, I get it right. Right, these bitches make me walk down the steps like Willie Dynamite, I ain't planned.

Here what I'm saying. Trenna that James in the trap and we ain't playing. You know it's down. You know what's up. J-Yo went playing that pimping that what the fuck. Yes, sir. Hey man, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the 85 South Show.

Voted, this podcast was voted most likely to smell like we. Oh, man. Yes, sir. Most likely. We got a very special guest in the trap with us today. Come on, man. You know, we're on the whole street with this ghetto legend shit.

Come on. So we went and got us a certified ghetto legends. Come on. Man, this dude started off with a mixtape giving them out in the city for the free, man. I'm talking about hustling everywhere you went, you saw. I mean, I picked up one at the mall one day buying some shoes. one day buying some shoes. I fucked with it.

I played it. Paul laid that shit to some of the, being part of some of the biggest hits. Some of your favorite song. All the way of it. One of the coldest writers. One of the most creative motherfuckers that it will come through here, man.

Very entertaining. Come on. Hey man, you might know him as the shoe plug. Some people call the nigga Nick James. Come on. Some people called Trinidad. He introduced itself to the hoses just dad. Hello, man.

My plent partner, him on, man. Trinidad, Jay. Yeah. Right, right. Oh, nice. Yeah, sir. This is all right. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. He's all right. Oh, yeah. He's an arm short. His arm is all of my voice. He got alligator arms. You know, man, well, I want to take welcome back to the trap. Thank you.

Yeah. In the trap trap. Right. You've been a part of plenty of trap. Yeah. Pre-trap. Yeah. So man, just welcome.

yourself at home. Oh yeah, I love it, man. How y'all feeling today? Shit, amazing. Amazing, man. Nice, nice, nice. It's, you know, like, you had one of them moments in hip-hop that is you can't, you can't even explain.

You know, it's not too many people who had that moment where you take over the whole world on your first one. Yes, sir. You know what I mean? It's kind of like that, you know, I don't even know what to compare it to, because it's, it's, everybody knew that song. I mean, my daughter used to be singing that shit when they first came out, and she was a little girl.

I'm there, whoa, pop to molly, I'm sweat. That was that part, too. And it was everybody, I mean, and it's just like that energy that you created with that. Like, I always wanted to ask, like, is it a level of pressure that comes with having one that's so major on your first one? Is it easier to never have to try to create that again, or do you continuously try to create that again? It's all about the resources and knowledge that you come into it with it. If you ask me this question 10 years ago, I'd be like, nigga, this shit hard. Don't ask me this question right now.

Whatever, but 10 years later, I still look good, I'm still successful, and I feel even better about the 10 years in front of me. I'm going to tell you that it's a balance of both, because when you do win big in the beginning, the resources that are open to you are amazing. It's great. You know, the resources to make something else like that, it is there, but you have to understand your artist type.

And what I mean by that is all artists do art. But some art is kind of not needed to be tainted by mainstream. However, I think that when you're making music, it has this different demographics for it. And so you could either get, you got to understand what's good for your spirit outside of what's good for your bank account. However, that's what I'm going to say to you. So I had to realize that an early age in this game.

He's like, do I really want to go through everything that it comes over having a number one song every single summer? But you can tell. That was just about to ask you that, because it's like, when your song did, first blow up. You remember about the first two Halloweens after that? Yeah. All the kids dressed up, it's trending.

And so I had a long, long legs, man. Long life, as they say. Like it, it's like, it ran. Yeah. I mean, Justin Timberlake did it on Saturday Night Live when I saw that, or, yeah, one of those times, I was like, when I saw that, I was like, okay, you got to understand

I'm coming out of the real Atlanta streets. Yeah. Would not a background in music. Yeah. I like my background is the streets and being an immigrant. So for me, it's different. It's like you have to get out of that, I can't speak for anybody else. For me, I had to get out of that phase of not deserving it,

feel like I didn't deserve it, or wondering if I deserved it. That imposter syndrome. Or just wondering, like when you don't have no background in that type of success in your whole family and you're the first of the generation, you're a first of your kind, in your own. family, you know, you're going to wonder. Did that come from like the blogs and the media, though? Like, what kind of

like, you thinking that you ain't deserve it, like, you know what I'm saying, feeling like that, or feeling like what you were of? I think that part of it would, you know, but I think also the reaction of the people around you, that's closest to you that you know. So when you start to see those people change, or people change

for the good and the worse, you start to realize you start to realize you're doing something that matters. But if you don't know what you're doing just as yet you're trying to understand like what matters is it the moment is it me is it the music is it the money is it the jury like what is it you know what i'm saying so that's what i had to wrap my head around in the beginning of this all is like what is actually mattering right now bro you dealt with the criticism better than any entertainer we than seen in the industry oh long before we get on there saying well they're all kind of

crazy shit about and i see you respond like well shit i don't give a fuck i'm straight like criticism but I don't think you be getting applaud like we just talking about we talking about this first single you hit all go everything that shit encapsulated what the club scene was like at it and I was I don't think people realize that shit like yeah think about it because I'm giving you the perspective man a rapper going out a person going out MJQ all these spots all these clubs like it gave you the vibe of the after hours and he was telling you that This motherfuckers is geeked up on Molly,

everybody feeling their motherfucking self, nigger. That's why we did our 10 year anniversary concert at MJQ. Congratulations, Big 10, baby, big 10, big 10, man. A lot of the motherfuckers tried to write you off in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I understand. I mean, I understand that you, bro. Yeah. The thing that I understand now, I'm a Viance show. My knowledge at 10 years, and 10 years is not a lot in this game, but it's enough for me.

For me, the way that I paid attention to it, to just understand why people say the things that they say. The truth of it is kind of what you got to keep to yourself to not let that shit matter. However, it's like, damn, is that shit true? Do I actually take this look from Martin? When I realized that the things that people were like going viral off of wasn't actually true, and that shit don't really make no difference

unless I really entertain it, I was like, oh, dude, yeah, Tripp. I was like, you can't beat me. You know what I'm saying? Like, you might get me down today because I'm human and I can't be got damn 1,000 confidence every single day. Or whatever, but nigga, this two will pass like they say in the Bible.

You know what I'm saying? But I mean, it definitely passed and I think it gave more light to the shit. Every time they can see me on a big platform like this one right here, how whatever, at this point in time, I feel like they just wonder like, damn.

What that nigga got going on now? What the fuck? Like, I keep writing this nigga off, and he keep writing himself back home. However, like, you don't control my narrative. You just control your perspective of the art. You know what I'm saying?

Did it make it? What's the nails? So these were dedicated to my first album, I'll go everything. So I say, don't believe me, just watch. And then, Dad, for the Pinky. I did the gold chains, obviously, for the gold chains. That's the dollar signs I always do for my

James. This is my Sockony sneaker, my first sneaker. And then this is me. Old character. Yeah, I mean, my whole body is art. I look at tattooing is art. I don't look at it as like, oh, a job. It's like, when you do it well, I don't look at my nail text.

Like, this is a black lady from Atlanta named Dasa effects. How much he text you? These are, you know, she can be up there. These a lot. It's a lot. I know how much the jail nails be for the, like, when I'm sorry. Yeah, I got that on my shirt.

Yeah, you know what I mean? They beat ass you twice when you ask for the... You sure you want jail? They pull that this, their lemon. I had a seat out, is doing the extra. Yeah, I want that. So that's why I just, I see how you're looking at below. That's why I was asking, that's it.

That's not, even. I just got regular fingers and shit. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Ain't nothing on my fingers can pussy in. Oh, my God. I got combs in the cuticles, big. And how are you? Regular shit, you know what I'm saying?

You said, don't believe me, just what? Mm-hmm. How does that look? Don't believe me just watch, bro. It is like we gonna be all right. It's a, it's a Negro spiritual. I was just about to say that. Because when you said nigger, nigger, nigger, I feel like you unlocked all the powers of the runaway slaves or some shit.

I didn't have some music shit, you're a music nerd, with all your kind of music guy, or whatever, dilated peoples or tribe or one of them had a song that had a nigger, nigger, nigger, part in it. How whatever, back in the day before me, I didn't have even... I never heard it. I never heard it until like my own is. Hey, came up to me, he's like, hey, man, you did this because of what's it called it? I was like, man, I never even heard that song. I felt bad I'd never heard of this song. How whatever, but, you know, once again, these things are just in our culture.

If you're going to look at old Pimp C, he was saying, or old Noriega. He was saying slime, the word. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 15 years ago. He said, Mopio was saying clout. Yeah. You know what I mean?

All of it is nothing is, you know, Nah said that nothing's new under the sun, you know what I mean? Everything's been done. Huh? Because, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. That's crazy.

Twirking ain't have a shit to do with dancing. Yeah. Jeez. I'm gonna make it twerk. I'm gonna twerk something. I'm gonna twerk something, yeah. Right. And he wouldn't talk about.

You can't say that shit now. I know, right? You can't say. I'm gonna go juice. I'm gonna get it in. There's nothing about the twerk. And ain't got to st. Paul, no, you're gonna go twerk.

But that's the thing like that, you know, on that song specifically just that one, you was rapping, but it was like you was preaching on that motherfucker like, it was just the way you were saying what you was saying, it was so easy to follow and it was like you was painting a picture for anybody who hadn't been to Atlanta, even if you

didn't see the visual, because when the visual came out, it took it to another level, but if you've never been to Atlanta and you hear that song, you like, nigger, where is these places? Yeah, this ain't for no, fuck, niggas. real nigga, then fuck with me. Straight up. I'm doing the Lord's work.

When I look at it, come on, man. He was, he was, it's like this nigga was in the club and he saw everybody he shout out on that shit. Spill, man. And I'm serious, all that shit, yeah. And I mean, all the way. And I went Instagram first on high.

To even have a perspective, let's break down the song a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Fuck nigga had just became a war that was really, really cranking in our city. like a fighting word. Yeah. Or whatever.

So it was the most disrespectful word. It was the most attention-grabbing word. So I was like, you got to start out the project with that. Because that's our culture. Mind you, I'm not coming to this as a rapper because my background is not being a rapper. My background is being a stylist and a human and a fashion nigga and a street nigga and selling weed and selling Molly, like hustler.

You know what I'm saying? I don't know how rappers think. I don't even give a fuck. I dress better than them in my head 15 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Like in my head, I'm like, nigg ain't seen me. Because also I'm a stylist. I'm styling artists.

I'm styling Travis Porter and them. I'm styling scream and DJ Holiday. And this coming off the Rockinard shit. Just about it. You know what I'm saying? Way like way before. Stupid fruity sway. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. That stupid fruity swag. Yeah. I remember brother and saying, dude, Jay Money, being one of the clients that came down to our store and shit like that. You know what I'm saying?

So anyways, it's kind of like taking it. So like, boom, fuck, nigga. Strongest word, most disrespectful word in our culture, start there. You know what I'm saying? Then I worked at the Woffa House. That's right by Chester Bridge. So I knew all the strippers and honics.

I learned so much from those girls from working the night shift being the cook that spoke to them because I cooked the eggs. I was like, oh, damn. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Tell him the strip of plate. This man's knee hustling.

The stripper plate. The chripper house cooked. Yeah. See how that nigga teeth used to look. It went perfect with the Waffle house. You know. It's a real, girl. Like, it looked like, when he first came out, he looked like a nigger that would work at the Wobah.

And he's missing that small toothing right there. It's like a crack. Yeah, you know, this nigger can't get. Biddy. Billy Humberman in his mom. That's really what it is. We're not going to talk about how Waffle House is a Hibachi. Oh, definitely.

It is a Habachi for breakfast. You just, niggas just turned us back to you. And I prefer it. They flip the grill on this side. I prefer it. I don't want to look at you while you make my phone. Yeah. He just don't do no tricks.

No tricks. He's doing the Lord's work. What? Come on, man. So yes. One more time, what the stripper plate is for all people at home. For anybody that didn't hear, the stripper plate, and it might have changed because girls have, it's a nuance,

and girls have elevated. These bids eat cram legs every day. They get off work at four or five in the morning eating that type of lamb chops. They're juicy cranks. Yeah. That's a good point right there. When did all the lambs become available to the black community? You can't take those lambs become available to the black community.

I grew up. life never seeing nobody eat lamb now all of a sudden they got lamb lollipop chops and nigger where the fuck did the lambs come when did they migrate to the negro community bro what year was that they ate up all the crab legs oh yeah they disappeared it's a big crab was just gone they go nigger crabs had like a motherfucker they ain't even show up crows like how good juice the crab is that's crazy somebody crab spot is about to feel I ain't know about lamb chops for COVID hit. When COVID hit, that's what they're gonna be up.

Buy them out of lamb chop. They got them at brunch and on. Lamp chopping pancakes. Niggas is just into them now. Lamb chops and waffles. Lamb chops and everything. You know, we get shit slow. People fault.

It's racism's fault. Think of how much delicious shit we ain't even had yet. Oh yeah, that's real. That's real. I'm talking about shit that we ain't even got a hoot of yet. Well, the hood grocery, what grocery store? A lot of time. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Escar go. That's right. Yeah, exactly. His escar go for breakfast time. See, this niggas is a season. Well, when you think that's cooked fried rib, niggas gonna stop making roast.

We just ain't never seen a prime rib done. Yeah, they always look like that diggers is that savage. You gotta eat a prime rib, man. That bit be, ain't no telling what else. White man pink in the middle. But you know, I gotta say this, the garnish, like the ultimate compliment on the video, was you holding the puppet.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then the hand movements, too, you know what I'm saying? It was just, it was player, man. My question to you is, being from Atlanta, like you said, from the streets of the perspective that you had coming into the game, what was your reception like for the people

that knew you prior to you blowing up? It was, it was interesting. Like the nigga used to sell weed in Mali, too, when they said you blew up. Oh, my goodness. I mean, well, you see, the beautiful thing is that no matter what your plug say.

Whatever media, whatever. Fuck! It was my fucking on me. God damn! The fact that we can't see him and just hear a niggins just say back on the side is amazing, like, oh, yeah.

That niggas just lost his job. But it was a blessing, bro. Me being never, I love answering these questions now because I just understand everything. Because I never fuck nobody. over, it was like, they was happy as hell. Because I was somebody

that was in their circle, and we was all flipping money between each other. It's like a shit, it's like, I make money off of selling all these shoes and all this modeling, and then I buy with you from you, and then you do do, do you know what I'm saying? It's like, whatever you need who had a community. I was a big part of this community

where I already felt cool. I didn't do music to be cool. I did music to take care of my mama and be able to own my own business and stop having to work for somebody. I didn't do music to be famous. or I was already cool in the coolest city in the world, you know what I'm saying?

My version are cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, well, you're not a Gucci man, TIGs, but there's so many levels to cool in this city once you really establish what your worth is and your intention. However, that I had made a name for myself from a fashion standpoint

providing the drip to so many people. Or whatever. And if I wasn't doing music, I probably had one of the best sneakers stores in Atlanta, Georgia. Because that's the only thing I would have to focus on. Here's the thing that I already was becoming a big, huge asset for the city. You know what I'm saying?

It's bigger than my partner, going back to your question or whatever, like the people around me, they were just happy because they knew that I was a person that was like, he deserved it. Or whatever. I didn't even know he was doing music, but he ain't a bad person. So the blessing was just something they was all thankful for. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Because you got so many artists in Atlanta.

You got so many people who rap in Atlanta that's been doing it for so long that never got anywhere near close to having even a local hit but something that go worldwide like that. Like that probably can breed a lot of, you know, envy, you know, from people. So for you to not have that experience is a blessing. I think that that's one of the greatest things talking to y'all now, being at an official 10 years, is that over these 10 years, he's whatever, 365,000 days, whatever that is.

is, or 36,000 days maybe, the people who started off jealous in the first five, however, I stayed so consistent that we're cool. However, I've looked at my, being able to even make my enemies get closer to me. Right. Damn near. Or whatever where it's like, you're not, you're not an enemy because you realize like, damn, you're just missing. Yeah, you're misinformed about what you thought I was going to do. You thought I was going to take my fame and shit on you. Right.

I never shit on you. I just really stay focused on me, which I didn't left me no time for you. That don't mean I shouldn't on you. I just don't have no time for you. Right. Because I need to focus on me in order to take care of what actually matters. The thing that we got into this trap for, to take care of our families. I'm still in the trap.

It's just a better look at one. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's real. That's real. That's real. You good in this city and you do good business.

Yeah. Like you said, people fuck. with you. Yeah. Off the comedy shit, we'd have seen that shit firsthand. Like that shit got us out of the situation. He good. The first tickets, the first Hawks game I ever went to

is because I gave him some jeans from my store for the tickets. You know what I'm saying? My first car I ever got was Ticket Jerry and I crashed it. His brand new fast-ass challenge. He had like a 3-2-5, the Bumblebee position, one of them challengers, 3-92. However, I crashed at the Kroger Park and I ran into a park car. you know what I'm saying and he was like

it's all good or whatever you know what I'm saying and went and got another car that's crazy Atlanta bar system is crazy I could take care about you can pay them back anything what you can bother in Atlanta is probably different than any other city in the world

you know what you're in here you know what I mean you probably can just trade off some shit in Atlanta you can't trade off nothing just because of the shit that's available in this city you know what I mean like you fuck around and just hey man look like you give me a lap dance

I can, you know. Bro, but Ticket Jared, he could go to any city. Ticket Jared be close in any city. Like, this nigga damn they'll be on the court. Like, players got to dribble around that, nigga. Who is that? Ticket Jared, who would say he got to ticket? Anything, Super Bowl.

He's the best. World Series. In 10 years, he's the best ticket. I'm talking about, niggins, get your tickets while the shit going on. I had just got my mom some marriage. They're black tickets from that. This is mind blowing to me. Ticket Jerry.

They know him. You got to know him. When you get there, it's going to be some other people like, are you fucking ticket Jerry? Yeah, yeah. I wonder if Ticket Jerry ever got us to Tickets to our shit. Bro. Brother, hell, yeah.

The bigger you get, the Ticket J ain't going to get the tickets to your shit. God damn, Ticket, Jerry. Man, he already got the sweets for the show coming up. Come on, man. No matter what the fuck it is. Guarantee. He's never failed my family. He's never failed my family.

He's never failed my family's friends. Never failed. Not one-time failed. You're not me a 10-me-to. I never heard a negative Yelp review about this nigga. Never. Never. Like, you ain't never get somebody.

That book-up ticket, Chico. No. Florida Mayweather of tickets. Right. On the feet. Tickets to anything. Anything. Disney on ice.

He's going to get through everything. Whitney Houston Funnel. He could get a kid. Chico, his night. Just go up to the game. He's going to be. be an old man sitting on the bench. When he get up off the bench,

the ticket is going to be under the bench under your shirt. It's yours. Damn, ticket jazz. This niggas, the wizard of tickets. This is the wizard. Is it only in Atlanta? Everywhere.

It could be Drake in London at the O-2 arena. What? Call him. Take two hours before. Jerry, I lost my tickets. I need more tickets. Chico, the best time to follow ticket, Jerry is doing Valentine's Day,

the goddamnist travel games. The nigger takes it. girl to Greece one day they back in Atlanta court side at a game like he do shit like that so the women follow them so the women showing you what this nigga what are you talking about Tick he's doing all this shit he's just not a guy he got brought some shit in there because if you listen to him you're gonna be feeling type of way because Jerry take care of his woman so good your woman gonna be like so what you doing Chico not a mother fucking thing they're trying to

get a contact with this man take this part out my girl don't need to be You need to be trying to get in contact with her, like I'm trying to get in contact with this name. Oh, stop. Stop trying to act like you aren't great guys. Oh, I'm definitely a great guy, but I ain't ticket Jerry according to what y'all niggins talking about.

But ticket Jerry helped you get there. Oh, yeah, I need to. Because you get them tickets to the ticket. You got the blue friend. That's what I'm trying to get to. I'm trying to be some business with your ticket. There's some shit I want to see. I want to see Taylor Swift,

nigg is something that I would never get a ticket to. I'm a, I'm a try to get a ticket to. I'm a, I'm a B'Beeee. I'm gonna be one if I can get a ticket. Man, that nigger might have you introducing her. That nigga so goddamn cold with the ticket shit. Damn. He had the backstage pass.

You got there with her mama and dumb. Come on, man. Smoking hookah. Yeah. Damn. Dricking Jack Daniels lemonade. You know it's Jack Daniels lemonade. Chico, guess what his Instagram name is?

Ticket Jack. Nigger, you know. Come on. This is the best promo of the whole sense. Yeah, I'm out of the time. All we need is a ticket, change here. He has a real chain from Icebox.

chains say, take a jam. Yeah? What do you mean? You got a commercial on the radio? Whoa. America's finest, Atlanta's best. Right. Nicky don't miss, man.

You used to have a little shit down the buckhead, right? Then they have a little. Take a joke. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we should. Get on the edge. Yeah, get on the legend. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's been to everybody show. That's what I'm saying. He knows what, sir. But that's exactly how you get in the trap with the ghetto legends, bro.

Another ghetto legend happens suggestion. Oh, you can't call like that? Yeah, you got to be a small house. Yeah, you got to get recognized. Yeah, there's a moho house and speak your name. We got bohoos and soho. Man, hey, we got mohose and soho. Man, I'm telling you.

Chico, you see what going on? If a bitch don't want to go on this. Mine ain't got no service. It tick, T-I-C-K-E-T. You need not to spend it. Ticket underscore, Jared. Huh? Yeah, it might be.

He's got a underscore? It might be underscored. Oh, okay. He's not verified. He should be verified. He's verified. He needed with stub-hub. Man, what's you talking about?

I'm sorry, I don't know. Hey, hey, man, I'm sorry. I was like, buddy. You know what? Play the like, fuck the pro. You know what? Hey, however you get your tickets, feel free to get them. For my heart podcasts and Rococo Punch, this is the turning, River Road.

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and then that shit turned into a super, super, mega, super song. And we heard the Bruno Mars. We heard. Right. We heard that they had to. So, it's beautiful now. Big bag. Beautiful now.

Okay. The way that the bag works is the business that I'm happy that I learned. Getting the initial big bag at first, it more tied to my childish ways. when it was like, oh damn, I got a lot of money. Cool, how would have it. But I had made more money before that from that. But not over all, over time.

You see, money is about making it travel, not the moment of it. Like if you could, the further you could throw money is the better. Having money right in the moment is like, yes. What you're saying? The further you can throw money is the longer it's going to last.

You know what I'm saying? If you got all of them. Yeah, I'm later, simmer. That's real. Because in my mind, it's Randy Moss going to get the money. So you just got to put it up there. Yeah, just throw it. And say consistent and don't look back too much.

However, because you'll miss it. And just keep going. And then when it's time to put your arms out, receive what you deserve. Catch it. Because if you drop it, that's on you. This nigga philosopher, no. I ain't know this shit had turned to financial budget,

but that's like, this shit's starting hitting. Oh, like, what is going? This shit gonna pop up with my man. sad guru. It's going to pop up with the little Indian Yon you do. Because it's philosophical. Fuck that music, bro. Talk about that money. Yeah, bro. I'm telling you so.

Taking it back to it, taking it back to it because I don't want to get too lost in translation. The Brune-a-Marge thing was amazing. But at the time that it happened, if I'm being honest with you, it happened when I was at my most depressed state as an artist. And actually, I never got depressed until I got into music.

Like, I've never been depressed. What did you think triggered that in the music industry? Success. Like you want to be successful, bro. Like, to take back to your original first question, right? When you asked about, you know, when you get that big success off the top or whatever, wanted to keep up with that, or whatever, bro, I'm an athlete. First, I played basketball, ran track, and football.

I whatever, like, I'm a very competitive person because I played all these sports in high school. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, that part of me is like, I want to kill all these niggas, da-da-da-da, whatever. I would want to kill it for, like, my brand. that I built. It ain't even about like I'm trying to be a better rapper than Kendrick

or whatever shit. I've already just met this man and like I was saying to you earlier like damn the energy that he showed me 10 years ago nine years ago when we first met was where it's like well I'm not in the competition with you

actually I just name dropped your name in this song and then I end up being the remix the bitch don't kill my vibe and I was like oh what the fuck you know what I'm saying imagine me and the nigga at a concert

big concert I'm kind of like the biggest name but he is who he is at that moment or whatever like I'm kind of being bigger than him, we're like, the kids are a little bit more ready to see me than him to a certain extent. Now, I don't know weird shit, just like, bro, I'm, yeah, like, I'm a southern nigga, and I'm just giving the culture at that time, literally the energy we need is, like, the person, like, the, not the equivalent, but somebody that gives, that I think gives the culture the energy that they need right now is like Glorilla.

Like, the energy that the culture wants in a party is hurt. song. Love glow, man, all the way. You know what I'm saying? Like, the whole little click. The culture wore something and you to provide it. They hold on to it. Like, I think that young, that young, she got way more songs than the song that's going crazy. How whatever, because I like her. But

what I like to pay attention and that's why I started to start working on my new album here in Atlanta and only working on it really here in Atlanta is because this is the perspective that matter. The reason why you appreciate all go everything is because that is the perspective of somebody that is not trying to be famous but

literally like this what's going on for a nigga that's trying to be cool the level of Atlanta nigger cool which is like you know Atlanta niggas think that we god's gift to earth in this fucking you got to you're kidding you know what I'm saying like bro our descendants are outcast and this person and that person you know so for me taking it all the way back you know all the lessons that I learned but the lesson taking it back to your questions about the Bruton thing, I was very depressed at the time. So when the initial play came through, I was like, I don't care.

Y'all fucking me over anyway. Fuck y'all. How whatever. So who? To your people or to the overall system? To the system. Whatever. My people brought the play to me. I would have like, hey, bro, Bruno Marr's fucking with you. He wants to do something. I'll go everything. However, I felt such a

distaste in my mouth towards the game and everybody. And the distaste came because because the difference between the streets and the industry, as many of them, but one of the distinct differences that I'm gonna touch on right now is that when somebody does something

that is legitimately some fuck-nicker shit, you cannot really whoop their ass. Yeah. You could. Without consequences, that would all that really affect you. You know what I'm saying? Like black, you know what I'm saying? It would greatly affect your bottom line.

And I'm speaking corporate. I ain't even even, the artist is one thing. I would have, that niggas fight all the time probably on some secret circle shit and keep going and just be having be fabri. Like, why these things are being favored? Because he think he'll be fighting the concerts that you don't see you or be fighting at this and he think he's got to fight in the bathroom in the airport and you wasn't there. You're talking about the real gangsters with the suits and the pens. Yes. The corporate people or whatever, they will do something that is

legitimately disrespectful to your culture, to you as a black man or black woman, to you as an artist no matter your race and it is nothing that you can do and if you come from an environment like I do however that is how we were taught to handle certain levels of disrespect I'm a conversating type of fella my conversation is pretty damn on point but there's been things in this game in the way that it's been done where it's like I don't want to do no talking I want to put my hand on the face so you're saying they got ass whooping type disrespect that's just the norm around this motherfucker on that level of like fuck talking yeah oh yeah yeah imagine you walk in you hear your shit on the target commercial and you don't have no say-so in nothing

and they were like thanks for making the song man you did us a solid black motherfucker right that's what you're sitting outside the door nigger that's what you hear that's what you hear that's what you hear that's what you hear that's what you hear oh Why don't you use those big lips and eat some of that fruit over that? Yeah, yeah. You need to get this monkey up in there. Hey, get a Kool-Aid packet in here.

I ain't got anything of Fiji. Hey, look what I got. You wish, went platinum. Guess what we're giving you? A watermelon chame. A cherry Kool-Aid. Yeah, man. Your mammy will be really proud of that one,

wouldn't she? Yeah. Like, how do you deal with that? Talk, speak to that. Like, how do you get through that? Like, because I think that's what a lot of people who watch this. that are on, you know, because we got a lot of people that watch us that don't even know that they

on the cusp of becoming the most successful that they've ever became in their life. So these are things that we need to get out there. Like how do you get past that? What's the way to navigate past seeing that, feeling that, and not being able to do nothing? How do you walk out of that room and still continue to be whoever you are before you walked in? I think that my first thing I would say to you is staying focused on outworking the, opinion, outwork in the room. You got to understand your advantage.

Your advantages, well, my advantage is I'm the culture. I'm really outside. Their advantages, they have spent their life learning the business and how to take your culture and monetize it. Or whatever. So that, instead of focusing on the oppression, I think you should focus on the not, you should focus on the knowledge that you lack and then that being able to fight it

is what allows you to kind of like be in a better position now to answer a little bit more detailed into your question I have been blessed enough to not get that extreme stuff happened directly to me but

microaggressions I think you've heard people say that in the workforce I feel like those are the things that a lot of the newer where people in labels don't realize that they're doing. And the ones that do, older people, they know what they're doing. They don't give a fuck. It's like your parents.

Your mama, if that's how she cooked this shit, that shit could be nasty as hell. She'd been cooking it that way for 37 years. Nika, that's how it's getting cooked. It's the same thing with the older people in the label thing or whatever. If James Brown took this contract, turn that James took this contract.

Right. Or whatever. fairly personal, my nigga, or whatever. It's just like, it's just the business. This is how we do it. If you never beat me in court to make me change this contract, I'm gonna keep using this contract, my nigga. You know, I think that the industry is changing for the better

because more people of color are coming into it. But even outside of more people in color, it's not about us. We are always gonna try and figure out how to be team us, whether it's a click or all of us. But the newer races of people that are coming in and are understanding that, these old dinosaur ways are not even appealing to them. So the new white A&Rs, new white CEOs or whatever,

like some of these guys, now being 10 years in this shit, I met them when they were just a mid-level A&R, and now they're like SVP of this record label and shit like that. And you can see when they pull a white man move because they just can't help that they're white. I hate acts of white people to do black shit. It's like, bro, I expect a white person to do white shit because he's white. That's what he knows.

When he goes to his house and lives his lifestyle and you go to your house and live your lifestyle, it's different or whatever, like, let's take our families. It's different. So unless you take the actual conscious effort to do your homework on somebody's culture, you will always be butting him or whatever because I don't want to keep blaming somebody for something

that you've been doing 500 years. I need more knowledge to beat it. I need to beat it. I need to beat it. If I don't beat it, I need to make sure that I leave enough things, enough interviews with other brothers and other sisters and other people, whoever the racist person I'm talking to, whereas like, we figure this out because it's people outside of being black that want to beat it.

I feel like if you don't love black people, you should be getting no money off of them. Like if you don't love the fuck out of black people, you shouldn't be able to profit. The shit, that's everybody. No, get the fuck, that's mine. I mean, I respect it. But you guys, but you don't, I'm talking about it like this, though, everybody's outside. Let's take it right car. Let's take it to cars.

Let's take it to cars. If a white man fix your engine, ain't you going to pay them? Or if you fix a white man's engine, it's business. Pay everyone, baby. I know. I understand that. Better question, though, is do you think, like, if you want to take it all the way back to white, you know, if you're just speaking white black, you should be doing my engine.

You can't say that too. You can say that. You can say it. Okay. That's what you're saying. That's what you say. That's right. You get it.

It depends on what you love me for. You shouldn't be able to just go home and be like, listen, we're white over here. You've just been making money off black people all day. But that's why I love you, because I'm able to buy it off. No, okay. And I can show you love as long as the profit margin is there.

So you want a nigga to be loved. If I ain't got nothing and you ain't got nothing, then come on jumping the car, I ain't gonna see you walk down the street. That type of love. No. So whatever you got 100 white artists on your black label, how should that live?

You would never have it. Well, I want that. I'm trying to sign as many TikTokers. Hell no. I feel like a nigga is like the shower of like, hey, Mr. Bieber and Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga, it's like, it's possible. But he's not, he's not, he not.

Yeah, but he got a fade into the back like on that I feel like. He's not a, from the home, see, I love that you say that. See, I love that you said. Okay, I got a point. Can we never see a black man on a country music label and he got a hundred white artists signed the fucked up deals and he's getting

rich as fuck off of them. It wouldn't work the same way. That's what I'm doing about a deal. Right. He wouldn't get it would be like he couldn't get a damn come over to like. Big Red wouldn't be able to make all his money off white people music. Then he'd come over here and act like he motherfucking Dr. Dre or shit. Listen to here, Toby.

And you know what's crazy though? It might be a nigga that did that they just never let us know who he is. Right. I mean, we'll never get to know who he is. So you're saying... When the niggas have done things to other races that they were pissed off about, like when Michael Jackson bought a board

in their catalog. They were friends. We had the paper. That was a business move. But he didn't sell it back to him. He wasn't supposed to. Yeah, I mean, fuck up. If you my friend, no.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, I ain't gonna say you back your guys. I ain't gonna say you back your jokes. Chico, you say what now? You pawned me your jokes. You need the money. Man, if I'm the Beatles, fuck them jokes. So you're saying Mike fucked up for that. Nigger, no, you can have them goddamn jokes.

Mike, well, I'm gonna buy some of your shit. Mike, Mike, can I buy my jokes back? Mike, hey, Mike, can you, can you, give me... We're struggling over here. Give my soul's back rock. They're telling me they're gonna take one of my boots. I need at least one of my, no. I'll see what you said.

I see what you said. Mike about that shit one too many times. They put that shit on the Nike conference. You were like, all right. I'm not playing. Stop asking me. asking me. I'm not selling you.

What is it? As Paul McCarton, the lawyers could stop me. Slaughter, other than pockets had him tied to a rocket. Hey, man. Michael Jackson ain't got to do shit for you. So he got hit up a couple times. He didn't tell it where he had Mike fucked up. The girl is mine.

That, no. The girl is mine. Ports like that are sports that are standing. You don't know what went on when the car with the other. Like you said, but what they see it might have fell through. Back's not. It might have fell through. Paul might have got drunk when that.

I'll give me your fucking money when I feel like it. Okay. Hold on, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You gotta go step further because, you know, Paul said, Mike asked him what's the best way to make money as an artist? And Paul was like, by publishing to other artists. And he went and bought their shit.

So he gave him the game, but he ain't mean go buy money. That's what I heard. You ain't buy my shit, nigga. So that's even colder. But like, for you being in the game 10 years now, that's an eternity for, you know, any artist to do anything. Like, how much do you credit the fact that not just the music, but like something that I always looked at you for

just because of some shit I'm into just the fashion? How much do you credit that and stretching you these 10 years? At least 50%. Images, Trinette James. You have to understand your superpower. You look at some shit. She didn't be like, this too far. The dress stuff.

The dress stuff. Like wearing a dress? You wore a dress? Mm-mm. Um, I've wore, I wore a... Hey! That's cool in what part. You're just like, go down.

That's more to look. That's too... That's too far. What's it is, I know I understand the fashion perspective of it, Because, mind you, I'm really the person. I don't judge nobody. That's why you'll see gays at my show.

You'll see whites. You'll see you. But you're going to see the most left-of-centre people how to turn that James show. Or the most left-a-center fans of music, they train that James fans. However, why is that? I don't ask that question no more.

I just cultivate these niggas and just want to build things to build communities and build metaphorses and build things to cultivate all these left-and-centered people that my frequency speaks to them, my confidence speaks to them. That's what it is. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I forgot what your question was. Oh, the fashion.

How much is the fashion? But, yes, like, you know, image is everything. Image is everything, man. You know, that's my, I started as a stylist before a musician. Right. I started in fashion before I ever picked up a mic. So images, I always felt that I had image, handled because artists were coming to me to dress them

before I ever did music. Who's some of your fashion influence? I just was about to ask that. I got to get it. I got to get it. So of course, Andre 3,000. 3,000. James Brown, Little Richard, Prince.

Escarita. If you don't know Escarita, Little Richard kind of got his swag from Escarina back in the day, yeah. My grandfather played for Little Richard's band. He played the horn in the Lord Richard's Man. He had Clifford Berks. Yeah, my grandfather.

Man, I don't think I heard this before that's some new shit. Yeah, no, that's my, my grandfather. Y'all welcome, y'all welcome. I'm putting that, I'm putting the question. Yeah, my granddaddy, yeah, my granddaddy. You know, man, hey. Hey, hey, welcome back to the 85 step show. Hey, man, yeah.

Just found that Chico Granddad was that nigga back in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But those people, those people in some shape of a way, my older brother, his name is Solomon. he was one we didn't grow up together I got a lot of brothers and sisters

because my pops was he was a rolling he was a roller and we didn't grow up together so even though I have so many brothers and sisters I grew up by myself so I'm a very like selfish person

and when I met my brother for the first time as like a little bit old I was a teenager he was older he was older than me however he was a New Yorker I was like

damn this nigga got more jeans and I got clothes like just jeans however and like when I left I went to visit him

for the first time when I left there I didn't see him again for years but in my mind I was like okay I got something

to live up to however type of situation the way that my parents treated me because I came over as an immigrant I wasn't born in Atlanta

unfortunately but I love being a Trinidadian proud Trinidadian Atlanta molded me as a child and adult I had to fuck with you too huh

Oh yeah I mean You know, I got to go out behind my name. So you went to D.C. They should have took you through Trinidad if they didn't. They should have took you through Trinidad if they'd take you through when you went through the city, man. That's love. I love D.C. because the Caribbean demographic day is amazing to me, bro. All the way.

It's really, really good. Like, if anybody that's watching this right now, which is probably millions of people, because we're going viral for something. D.C.'s Caribbean culture, not just Trinidadian, even though Trinies are the best, is amazing. Hey, man, why y'all are off? Fuck with Tobago, man. Oh, nobody said that. But literally,

y'all don't never say. These are, these are, this is my ass, literally, nobody said. Nobody ever shut out to Bego, now.

These shoes, my sneaker, these are the maxi taxis because, and they're discolored because in Tobago, they're the blue maxi taxis. Only in Tobago, you can get a blue maxi taxi.

So I dedicated to shoes. What is a maxi taxes? So a maxi taxis is our form of transportation. Oh, whatever. Our former transportation is like, I was trying to, I was trying to pretend like I knew,

and y'all was acting like y'all knew. I'm gonna do that. I just assume. You're a taxi. Yeah. I didn't. I thought, okay, yeah, yeah. I got you.

But yeah. But you are right, though. Tobago does not come out people's mouths when they say true to that as often as this shit. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I just didn't do this. Tobagonia. Tobogonian.

Tobogonian. Tobogonian. This shit going crazy. Yeah. It is historic all the way. But yeah. Shout out to Tabagonian. Yeah, all of that.

That sounds like a spell. Hey, Trinidad, I probably is. The contract with Bruno, that was great, though. Yeah, so Bruno, Bruno did great business. Okay, yeah. I just was, sometimes your attitude can block a blessing. Oh. And luckily, I was able to get out of my funk before.

That's crazy. That's ironic as funk, right? Oh, hell, funk you up. Funk you all right. That's crazy. Hey, man, you don't even know you be doing this shit. I'm just a vessel from the great creator. I'm just doing the Lord's work now.

But I was able to get out of, and as soon as I, unfortunately, had left out of Atlanta, went to LA to shoot some music videos with a guy who kind of like threw me a bone. My whole, everything changed, bro. Everything changed. And I say that to say where it's like, bro, I love Atlanta, but I had to get out of Atlanta in order to really appreciate Atlanta. I appreciate Atlanta.

Because Atlanta made me who I am as an artist and partially as a man. But who I am to be, that's not Atlanta's decision, it's God's decision. And I think he just had more for me. And sometimes when you got, when the universe has more for you, you got to go to that medium that helps you get what's more for you.

It's no offense of this to what helped you become a part of you. I feel the same way. But Atlanta didn't birth me. I wouldn't even move in here. You know what I'm saying? So that's why, once again, Once again, you're going to hear me keep saying, I really look at these last 10 years,

the beginning of it, how it came to do the Lord's work. Timing, messenger, what the culture needed, you know what I'm saying? And people still talk about the thing that happened 10 years ago that still mattered.

I just did a show in goddamn Jacksonville, North Carolina. That shit was going upside down like the song came out yesterday. You know what I'm saying? Why is that? Because that spiritual hymn, it works in this church. still they still go by that bible you know what i'm saying like in atlanta we get new spiritual

hymns every two weeks so it's like this church is creflot dollar baby we're turning them in and out we got new clients got there you know that shit because by time my song go like global we already be tired of it in Atlanta because we don't heard the shit yeah it worked him for a year before you did ask a valid question boom he did good business i was in my feelings and i got out my feelings in time, I whatever, was able to hit my people like, hey, did we do good business on this? Because I didn't hear the song until I got to LA to shoot a music video and two things happened the same day.

That song dropped and the song that me and your scooter did was on Grand The 505. I was like, do we do the business on this, you know what I'm saying? And you know, if I'm being honest with you to take you back A lot of things, people are always like, man, I think I was dropping gems or whatever and stuff, but that's just like, bro, so many things that happen to me because I didn't know shit

coming into this. I literally didn't know shit. When I went to work at the Woffa House, I didn't know shit, I'd never stirred eggs. I would have, and I left apart that bitch a super grill master chief in the red shirt. You know, right? The red shirt.

What the fuck is the red shirt? That's the last, that's in back, that's, yeah. That's a super grill master chief. Chief Master Operator. Super Grouch. Now I'm looking for the red shirt. I don't want to say

because the ones that I might have came in contact, we were like, this nigga on this shoe lying his motherfucking ass. All right. You never came in for that fucking show I was at work. That nigga, you're going to find out about the person who you have in high regard, you're going to realize that

they ain't been doing him wrong. Right. He's just been working in a long time, but he ain't been trying to level up. And that's the difference. Woffhouse taught me that. His people who I saw, there's certain things I'm not going to bring them all up because I'm close with some things. But one of the biggest lessons I learned from things like the Waffle House,

things like working at Gens of the clothing boutique where I used to work at. However, is that people work at something for a long time, but they don't work on leveling up. They work to just work. How whatever, and you can get caught up in this working atmosphere where it's like, bro, is that all you want to be? Trading time for money. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

That's literally just a, that's it. how would have been I just once music showed me that I was worth more I just been digging for that goal that's the goal I've been digging for I was like what more can I be worth to my culture? What more can I

do that makes something you know what I'm saying crazy you know what I'm saying? What other things does God have in store for me? Because if it wasn't meant for me to be here how would it still be cranking things out that crush? How would have whether it's for me or writing a hit for other people

When I, um, random fact, random fact. If somebody ever said to you, hey, bro, you know the white girl, bad baby? Catch me outside? Trent and that James wrote her first hit. He'd be like, no way. What's that? Our first platinum hit song that launched her musical career. Hold on that, I was a part of that.

I was a part of it. You do, you want to start? Man, hey. Did you make that white life mind? Did you make that white like? We've been looking for your ass and shouldn't he did it. He going to clam that one in the next 10 years, remember that. period, I, period, uh, that was me too.

Stop this shit, turn it, I see the beard, he got the beard right, that's the, boy, hey. I was what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Stop this shit. Hey. But no, shout out to my boy who I wrote,

I went to. Yeah, you know, I said to get that check. But not, you know, and that's the thing about it is like certain things happen, you know, even when I, even meeting that young lady at the time, you're so young, whatever, it felt weird to be in the room, you know what I'm saying? But it was just like, bro,

Talent don't really got no color, bro. He really talent, bro. It's so interesting, bro. Like, the talent that God gave me, he gave me the will to go find the talent. He gave me image. He gave me confidence. The talent, I had to go find that motherfucker, bro, and just dig for it to bring it out. Because all or everything took off, but that's raw.

Me and my boy, Jose was just listening. I've been, because I was, you know, I was listening to the first project because we're working on a new project. Don't Be Safe, too, for the new album. And I just listened to it, I'm like, bro, this shit is so unorthodox. The knowledge I have now, I would have never been able to do this terribly perfect

masterpiece if I had all the knowledge I have now. Right. Fuck their knowledge, right. You know all this to me to be, like, raw now? Fuck that knowledge. You just said, don't change, what the fuck got you in there? Right. All gold, everything 8 and 9 by now.

Right. And that's so I only do. Everything you got. You could make some shit. All, hey, everything. First, niggins thought I was finished. Nigger go down with just the beginning. This shit never ended.

Now, fucking with the fringes. But you know, that is real, though. That's your heart. That's your heart. That's crazy. That's your heart. But, you know, even to any young artists is watching this, it's like, hey man, if you really do make something

that hits our culture like that, bro, you really can make 20 of them. 20 of them. Don't think that you can't. I saw a clip. You said you hate this song. Huh? Say it again? I saw a clip. You said you hate this song, man. Hate what? The song? The Algo Everything? Yeah. I don't

hate the song. I hate and I want, this is the devil's advocate for you. To a young person watching, if you make something like Algo Everything and you catch a wave, do not let anybody tell you to not make 10 of those. Make 10. Make 10. Now to play devil's advocate,

the reason why I did not make 10, is because those people limit our culture. They keep our culture locked in a certain place because they make us feel like that is the biggest version of us. And I knew that I was bigger than the nigger that they perceived. That they wanted to make this.

Like, it's a lot of characters to Trunner, James. But if this niggas is the nigger that you want to make the face of our culture, no. Yeah. I didn't go for that. And so that was a personal decision that you got to be able to fit my size of living

to order to handle that. Because most niggas would have took the money and made 10 to 89 more all go everything's. Come on, nigga. You're at the same-sized shoe up. Oh, nigger. And when you first came out, you were telling people like, listen to the whole album.

Like, you kept telling people when you... Because that's important to me. I know that is more to me than this thing that you are goddamn doing backflips about in the middle of the goddamn Central Station. However, I do appreciate it is love, because love is love. You know how long you go as a black man not getting no love?

You know how long you go as a black woman not getting no love? You know how long you go as a black woman, not getting no. No love. You know how you go as long? They're going to put the sad music behind this one. Oh, man. It needs to go. You know what I'm saying?

Dear angel. Adopted black person. You know, I don't feel bad about saying black when I'm saying about this because, bro, that shit really is tough, bro. Yeah. On us, bro. You know what I'm saying? I know that it's tough on humans.

I know that it's tough on every human. You know what I would not like to be a woman in the Middle East. They just got their license of the eligibility to get their license. the eligibility to get their license like three years ago. You know how crazy that it is? Or whatever, like to be a whole woman. Yeah, Loaf told me about being over there. That shit sounds scary.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn. You know, so everybody's going through their own verse. You know, I've traveled a lot, you know what I'm saying? And I've always, I always dive in the culture when I travel as much as I can. I go do my show, I'm going to make my bag. But you'll see me in 3 o'clock in the morning and there's some hole in the wall or some boom-o-moom. Yeah, I'm the same way.

Damn. Like, what is this about? I think that's how you get in touch. with you know the people and really that's the way I've realized just within the you know United States I've realized that you know and doing that same thing that this shit is the same everywhere where we are the person I wish I went viral as a comedian compared to artists I wish I was doing all or everything as like a new joke skit and then that went viral and then I would start doing being a

comedian because I feel being a comedian is the last art form where you could tap in the culture and literally be a 100% transparent version of the jokes that you're saying in the barbershop, it literally can be the jokes you're saying on stage. But at the same time, one of the benefits of doing it your way in 20 years, you're going to be on one of them lineups, performing all-go, everything, get in the bag, but we can't come do the jokes we did yesterday. But you can do a reunion tour.

But you can't say the same shit that you said the last time they saw you. You can't do that. Usually when we hate jokes, though, hit the- No, when they heard it, they're like, what's next, nigg. But do you think that's true, because do you think that's actually really true? Or do you think that, like, if we go to Kevin Hart's first series and he did, like, I'm only doing this jokes from this right here, that those people won't come up for that? No.

I don't, not, not, well, maybe. Like, maybe if you're scaring it down. If you're scared it down. If you scale it down. If you scale it down, if you scale it down, maybe. Was you ready to run with that shit in that set has gone global and everything? Then you can do delirious right now. Nick, fucking your pieces don't blow up.

No, not delirious. But when you get into the concert, they want to hear a new song that they like just as much as your last one. That's true. Every show. They ain't never heard before. They won't both, really.

They really want both. They want you to do your old shit. Because you know, you go up and you give them the new shit, oh man, that shit was great. Why you ain't do? But you got a lot of requested. And you're like, damn. Then you go up and do your old shit.

Then they be like, I heard that shit before. Right. So it's what Jay-G said. You want my old shit, buy my old album, man. Right, but it's like, that's the thing about being a comedian where you go in and, like, Glow said they want to hear the new song that they like just as much as the old one, but they ain't never heard the new song before.

But they want to act, but this new song better be as good as the one I already liked that. Yeah, that's what it is. And that's what I've been studying. That's what I've been studying for the last 10 years. It's like, okay. And not for the last 10. I'm lying. The first five years, I wasn't studying what all-go, everything was doing to our culture.

I was studying how to survive in this industry. I would say the last four years of the 10 was when I was like, I'm lying. When I worked at Bruno Mars, that's when I was like, oh, shit, I got to do homework on myself. I would have because the main thing I learned from working with him was like, damn, this nigga had been studying me, and I'm not studying me. And this nigga could do me better than me in the moment right now. And I'm literally on 100, I'm 3,000. I'm out here, you know what I think about artists like 3,000. That's why they just stop.

It's like, bro, I'm so far ahead. It's like, I can't do it no more. It's like, it might be a trick. That's how I keep making myself believe that one day he's just going to pop out with 8,000 songs. He got a bunch of songs. But will they hit the same for you, though? We take anything. We take anything.

That's how crazy to shit. That's how crazy to shit is. That's the Dakota song. We take anything. Stop rapping at the end and it was like, that's all I got. And then the thing in to me is, I like with 3,000 is doing his process of doing it

better than Dr. Dre and keep teasing us with this detox shit that it's supposed to been coming out since I was in 11th grade. Brother, everybody in the world that was ever cold, be like, man, I was in the studio with Dre last night, we made some of the best shit I ever heard in my musical career. See what I'm saying? My nigga came in a session I was doing in Miami.

I was like, I was like, A credible person, he's like, bro, you want to hear some shit from the detox? Then went to me, he was to another person who was bigger than me. How whatever, so I'm just like now, once again, knowing how to play the position. And whatever, I'm going to get out this conversation. How whatever, this is a little bit above me right now. And whatever. And I heard songs from the detox.

How whatever. And I was like, oh, okay, this is great. You know what I'm saying? But it's great from the standpoint of like, whenever you get it, it's going to be worth it. Man, listen. Because he's just a great musical maker. I understand that. But it's like every time that you get a good.

glimpse, it's like a tease to where you're like, okay, I've been hearing this for so long. When am I going to get something to be able to satisfy this tease with 3000? With 3,000, with 3,000. It's you, that nigga, just walk around with a flute. He don't give you no inclination that he even been near studio. And then whenever you hear about him

and he rap, he rapping. It's something that's out. Yes, is that Kanye West first about his mama. It's. I went back and listened to all this He did for the cartoon. Oh! Class of 3,000?

Yeah. That shit go hard. That's how much I fuck with that nigga music. Sonny? Come on, man. Whatta called it, you know, and the beauty, once again, Andre is one of those people who was like, I hold in high regard. Because of...

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I remember I will never forget the show. It's Houston All-Star 2013. I have two shows the same night. I've just made so much money. And it's me, Drake. two chains at one show, then I have to leave them because I have another show with me, GZ, and T.I. Nigger, I just quit my job.

One night. One night, I just quit my job. Wait a minute. Hold on, time break. Time break. It's 2013. Okay. No, no, no. Time break.

You was working. I was working. I stopped that job, like, right in January. All-Star. In February? That's basketball. February, All-Star. So you quit the job January, and in February?

The boss was like the dude was like, hey, man, you got a- Doing two big stupid shows. You can't work in the world because it already went crazy because of the video went viral. So we already had everybody calling my phone to sign me, Rick Ross, Diddy, I'm hanging out with Diddy, Boo, Boo, Boo. So it already is lit from a clout thing, but your money, once again, money is about throwing it as far as you can throw it.

However, don't try and get all the money. Like, I got all the fame up front. But I didn't get all the money up front. That's good. So that was what was awesome about it. I was like, man, fuck fame. How whatever, I was like, do I want to change fame or do I want to see this money go long?

So I was like, okay, in order to get the money, anything I've ever succeeded at, I had to actually do the things. Because I'm a hard worker, I'm a bootstrap-type working nigger. I got to go. I wasn't good at working smarter. Who the fuck is wearing boots with straps? Come on, man. This, nigger.

You said you? Zion. Zion Williams or his new shit. Get ready to go down and you should pass it with them. Back in 19th century, people actually had these straps. I got a question for you, though, speaking of boots with straps on them, what's your fashion moment, like that moment?

You spoke about a lot of the musical moments to Eric Badoos or two. What's that moment where you was in the fashion side of the game where you was like, oh shit, niggas. You, like, at one of them shows, watching them Balenciago models walk down crazy. Like, what was that moment for you? I think, honestly, man, it's a brand called B-O-D-E.

Some people pronounce it as bold. Some people say Bodee. Bode, yeah, that's what I say. I know what you're talking about. Exactly. The designer is from Georgia or whatever. And I was shopping with her early. I was on the brand early because I'd be outside,

just seeing shit. Some of the clothes be speaking to me. And we got so cool, she invited me to her first runway show in Paris for Men's Fashion Week 2020. Pandemic year, so just before the pandemic, January, in Paris. My first time going to Paris just to like kick it. My first time going to Paris was on my birthday, 2013. So I came in the game, September,

and then my birthday, 2013, or whatever, that birthday was landing in Paris for a show. That was a wild year. He was on tour. It was wild, but it was wild, you know. But my next time back in Paris was 2020, so that's seven years later. However, for Fashion Week, her show, big show. She liked the little baby of fashion. However, if you compare, like, the bubbling, like, you know what I'm saying?

She got goddamn the songs, she got the energy going, she got the team, how whatever, she got the people vouching for, how whatever, like Will Welch and Mark Anthony Green, those are like the heads of the GQ. That's like, you know, Doug saying like, man, he'll have the money to get out of the, to stop trapping, burn, rap, or whatever,

like the equivalent of that. So like, I know that because I care about fashion as much as music as far as like, who's popping, and like, who really the shit. And she invited me to the show, And it was our first show, and it was like, oh, shit. So I go back to Paris, and it's a moment. Right before we go inside, walk around the corner,

I get out, I'm fresh as fuck. I'm fresh as fuck. I'm talking about, bro. I'm fresh as fuck. I had that shit on, huh? You know what I'm saying? Like, it just, I thought, you see, going to Paris Fashion Week, I always walk in the shit really humble where it's like,

I really don't think I'm being the fresher nigga in something. I'm really just putting on some clothes. I whatever. And when I went to Paris, I was like, man, these niggas on this super fashion shit. That's why I went a long time not fucking with Fashion Week. Because I was like, man, just a bunch of niggas who were their egos. They went to college. They think they better to me because I didn't go to college.

Fuck these niggas. Or whatever. And then I realized I was like, oh damn, I dress better than everybody. So coming to Paris, going to that show, coming around the corner, all the cameras stopped at all the, like, known fashion people who they were on. and was like, who is this person? How whatever, getting all their attention and walking and sitting front road

and just in that moment, I was like, damn, a nigga really in Paris right now on some fashion shit. You know you're really embarrassed when there's a white bitch behind you with a duck on. Smoking a cigarette this long, man. Oh, man, hell yeah.

And I ask that because, you know, just being as into the, you know, that as much as I, as you grow with it. I know that you got to grow with it. It's not something that you could just pick up. Like, I haven't been buying my own clothes for so long that I know it's a process. Like, this nigga tell you, like,

I'd be in the mall, nigga, everywhere. You know what I mean? And I got a process. I walk around that bitch one full time, see what I see, and then go back and put it on the guy. It's like, it's a process. But I remember the moment for me, one of the moments for me is I come from D.C.

We got a lot of local brands there. You know what I mean? The madness and the all days and the shoe. And when I started getting recognition from those guys. Leaders, too, right? Is leaders in one tripper? No, no, no, no. It's not good.

It's a bunch of them. I'm thinking of something. I'm a major or a courtroom. Museum. Museum. Yeah, the museum. That's my book. Majors is in D.C.?

You know majors? You know majors? You know majors in DC? That's streetwear company. I ain't never, I'm not hip to majors. My bad majors, I don't know if y'all knew, but, you know what I mean, I know the ones that's from when I was a young man. You're not about to sit here. Like, NAV don't put that shit on?

Oh, Nav don't put that shit on? shit on. It take him a while but he get it on. You see nothing at the poor man's a little bit. I slown down a little bit. You see him at the poor man show? Oh, I see him now. You're talking about. You're talking about.

Man, yeah. How long got you to wear a shirt. Yeah, he did. A rumble. Oh yeah, with the Yeah, Rumble? Yes, he did. Yeah, it was a Zara Rumpur. A Zara? I was from Zara.

You're sasset, boy. You could tell. You could tell it was That's slightly above H&M quality, but below, you know what I mean? Trust. No, Zara's a gem to anybody that want to, you know, ball on the budget? Man, they fucking line, man. Zara, Zara got that shit. You're a dirty, motherfucking.

It's like, it's right above H&M quality, but below, like, Sandro Perrin's and all of those people that get you the real silk and all that shit. You know what I mean? He had to, he had one, too. No socks. No socks. No socks with it.

Yeah, he had on some fucking slacks. Slides, the Gucci slides with the. But to take it back. back to what you're saying no chico you know um it was a black on business fashion and image man you know if i didn't have it man i'd have been quick music like if i didn't have that to balance it out because music business is they they they are not in the game of it's it's it took them a long time to get to where we're at now. It wasn't meant for us to win in it.

It was meant for us to survive in it. And I'm an immigrant. I've been surviving my whole life. All I know is survival. So it was like, how long do I got, are I got to survive my whole life? When can I get to a place of living? When can I get to a place of like being able to just be,

to be treated as an actual equal? However, it might not be for me. It might not happen because it just might not. But I think that what's been more important is being able to take the time whenever I'm depressed. I was like, bro, the world and everything being against me and get back up, make another project, do new things, do movies, make my own sneaker, start a brand, however. But in the midst of it all, be a good person to people. You know what I'm saying? That's been the main consistent thing with me.

It's like, no matter what, I've never been bad to nobody. or whatever, I might not have came, couldn't have come through, or whatever, and, but my intention, to me, once your intentions is in the right place, then you'll be all right. Yeah, as long as you're not knowingly hurting yourself and nobody else, you know, come on, man. You know what I'm saying?

You know, and I'm so happy, the happiest thing I'm about, happy I'm about right now, I don't know when this is going to come out. But whenever it does, whenever somebody looks at it, if my album, don't be safe too, is out, then know that that music means a lot to me, because I had to fight a lot of depression and a lot of personal battles

and a lot of self-sabotage to get to that place to be able to write those words. A lot, a lot. And that's me in the midst of, you know how conflicting it is and how depressing it is to be able to write a hit song for other people to watch that go viral

and you can't write one for yourself? Oh. Or whatever, it's the worst feeling on earth. It literally is. You want to kill yourself. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, to, whether you hear, well, I don't know what this interview will come out,

You know, to know that my project, my next project is called Don't Be Safe 2. I'm working on it currently. So if this comes out, after the project comes out, know that that music, if you chose to listen to it, you know, I wanted you to. And know that it means a lot to me because those words were not easy to write.

They were not being a lot more vulnerable because it's like all the things I've learned in this game, you know, it's 10 songs, 10 years, one year per song. Damn near. It's a lot. It's a lot, bro. You know, when you actually really do care about morals and character in a world that is moralist and no character,

you know, you have to control your narrative at all costs. And that's not always easy. As good of a communicator I am, as much as I know and all that, bro, I'm human. I'm human as fuck. You know what I'm saying? But the fact that I could tell you that, look, If you see me on the stage performing my new album,

I'm bringing that smoke because I'm happy as fuck. You know what I'm saying? And I had to fight day and night to get out of that depression, to get out of that self-sabotage. Because when it put you in a chokehold, it puts you in the chokehold. Any features on there?

Any features on there? Yeah, for sure. However, me talking to you now, I haven't locked them all in. Okay, okay, okay, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it definitely, because don't be safe If it's not about having the biggest names on it,

don't be safe is the, that it's to start. Yeah. I started, when you say you're coming out of that depression, you wanna make music with people that you don't reach that year. You'll see somebody in there and you'd be like, who's Tony Snow? Yeah. You're like who's that?

You know what I'm saying? Like, who is bruiser wolf or who is, you know what I'm saying? Like a-dangerous than a motherfucker. Yeah. Kind of like a nigga you pick on street fighter. Brouser Wolf versus right. What medium-moor dropping you? So that is what I've been studying the game right now.

It's like, damn, should I just drop my album on TikTok? Should I just drop my album on 85-south channel? Like, what is it doing? Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. It ain't no right, right, bro. It ain't no, for a nigger like me,

my whole life was devised to make it, to show a nigger who really don't do shit by the rules that you can be successful and take care of your family, doing it however the fuck you want to. Man. That's the whole motto. Up the 85th century. Come on, man.

Let's go. Let's go. And look, man, whenever you drop that shit, come back. Come back. Man, come back for real, bro. For real. For sure. Go to eat on.

Get some lemon pepper wings, and we'll do an album. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's no right way, man. It's no right way. And I really appreciate everybody here. Shout out to my boy DC who's not here. You know what I'm saying?

Like, where y'all being, the thing that like, and I'm not a crier, because I don't know, my eyes don't do it. But, um... Damn, nigger. You gotta get some more sleep. Drink some water, man, sir. Right.

Crazy. Right. Right. He can't do. Cry. Now, I'm trying to see if this nigger blink the whole time. But, no, man, you know, the fact that brothers like y'all exist and platforms like this exist and y'all, I've been wondering, I was like, why can these real niggas show me respect, but then other people

don't get it. However, and once again, it's that media versus in person. You know, so every chance and every opportunity that I get to push what I got going forward, whether it's my music, my clothing brand, my socks, you know what I'm saying, whatever it is, anything, movie, this, that, that. You know, I truly appreciate it because I'm always studying our culture and not just our culture.

You said something earlier that I want to touch on before we get out of here, Whereas like, bro, when I went to Africa for the first time this year in 2022 because that's when this is happening for anybody watching whether it's 20-40 to when you watch it. Nah, hell, we ain't gonna be that late. No, they can still see it.

No what I'm saying? The first of like a 13-year-old in 20-402. The shit ain't going to way. It's coming out for this. If you want to know about 2022, think about this. I went to Africa for the first time this year twice. I went to Nigeria to bring in a new year.

Legos And then Right before June I went to Cape Town, South Africa You got a lot of love out there Man, bro, Nigeria, first of all felt like

Atlanta and Houston and New York on stairs Times 100. Damn! Times 100. Like, smart. Lose, we got to get over there. I see you, I've got to go. We've been talking about this shit for too long. We've been talking about this shit for too long.

We got to get over here, man. Everybody in Africa. You said, I've been saying. You've been saying. You've been saying it. You've been saying it. You've been saying it. I've been saying.

That was just our name of countries. You know what I was saying. We got to go to Africa. And the reason why I bring those places up. And the reason why I'm saying to is because we were talking something about black culture here. I think we was talking about like if a black person had a label or a white person, you know, bro, you said something that,

You said something, I wish. I wanted to stop there, but, bro, really... About eight kind of not being from America. Yeah, yeah, yes. How whatever, it's like, bro, black culture is one race. It really is one race. Black Africans, I got to see our culture from three black perspectives. I was born in Trinidad and Tobago.

So black Trinidadian culture. Right? And then I grew up here in Atlanta, real top. You know what I'm saying? Elementary Middle School and high school. So Nick can't tell me shit about Atlanta or whatever. Black American culture. and then I went to Africa

and you got to see black culture, which is basically it's the same thing. I got to see a person in Africa that look, talk, walk, and act just like a nigga in Atlanta and a nigga in Trinidad. Same features, same disposition,

the same laugh, the same teeth, the same smile, the same weird things that we got in our culture. It's the same thing, bro. It's we have been taught whether it's by each other or other cultures that we are different types of black it's one black

it's one black I'm just putting it out there there's one black so everything that's happening it's not because of us it's because of separation of us so when you go a place do not think that you are lessening

you right there and if you go around the you know you know you're going to be around around the right Africans when they make you feel that you are just like them you should not feel less than a black person at any time because all black culture is one culture.

I think you get that more if you go over there because over here everything's jaded because of what the images that are the projecting and all that. We got to get over there. We got to get over there, man. America is dog and... Well, I just heard of my life back.

I can't see when the black fall finally get together. We got to go to boys, man. We got to go to Africa. Man, they want to see them for us. They want to ask them for us. They ask them for us. They ask them about it.

Yeah. No question. All that, they're going to be there to document the whole thing. Smart or anything. Just tour Africa. I'm going. Just tour Africa. If y'all want to work on, we might be too raw.

In some places, they're like, excuse me. Come to me. You are saying too much of a pussy. When you say you eat the pussy, what are you mean? They don't care about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, don't be afraid. We are not going to do nothing to you in front of anybody, but we need to know what you mean by you do.

Like I'm a too right. Yeah, but we gotta get over there, man. I've seen their little movies. They freaky too. I advise any black person. If you don't go to Africa, you are doing a disservice to yourself. You are doing a disservice to your culture. I tell the same thing black people need to come to Atlanta.

I think black people just need to come to Atlanta. If you're a black person, you grew up in Wichita, Kansas, and all you know is Wichita, Kansas, then you're doing a disservice to yourself and your black culture are not coming to Atlanta. Yeah, because you get to see a success level in Atlanta that you don't get to see nowhere. Atlanta is the only city.

Atlanta really supposedly exists. I know, right? That's the thing I say about just this city in general. Like, this is one of the only places where you can come and become successful and not be a target simply because you're successful, because it's so much black success where every other place you go for the most part. If you're the nigger with the bread and the big Bentley and the chains and everybody's looking at. Shoot, black success is expected in Atlanta.

Yeah. It's expected, in other places, I feel like it's battled by the other cultures. Like, Houston is close. I would have, like, Houston, the black millionaires there, they crush it, they do their thing. But I do feel that Atlanta, black success is just expected. You expect to meet a rich black naked, or a black woman with their own business going crazy. However, other places, the talent is there, the money is there. Like, I mean, shit.

The DMV. Oh, then you go to certain parts of, of D.C. Hey, there ain't nothing of rich-ass black people over there. And that's the gentrification. But they still black, but they still, you know what I mean? They gentrified, what you mean? The black people just, I'm talking about, like, you know, where you have Atlanta and you have, you know, a base you guys being from here.

The people who are from D.C. don't benefit from the successes of the city the way they're coming from somewhere else they're coming from somewhere I was like oh damn it's a division here I hate when I see a division in black culture where when I'm like bro y'all so close to each other why y'all are y'all beefing this a 20 minute drive like this is stupid oh whatever but it's like

this has been generations and generations of like you're working to get on this side so if you're on that side uh sir how did you get there who did you pay right exactly and it's like bruh let the nigger over here and show them how to stay here. But that's a crazy perspective. We got ways to goals, but our culture gonna make it.

We're working on it. We're working on. We're working on. Don't ever count my niggas out. Don't be safe too, guys. Man. Yes, sir. Dad socks.

Shout out to my brother, RGB. Tell what they can get the shoes, all your products. Yeah, this plans hard too, man. It's a black-owned company, RGB, Atlanta. How whatever? Whatever, we're gonna find those. Um, RGP.com. RGB.com.

RGB. RGB. B? RGB. 3. Fuck up. I don't know about the shit, bro. Watch what I was next week, bro.

Bruby doing. Wait till you pull up. You got so? Hey, man. I just tried not to show y'all with my shit, because y'all are always talking shit. My dog. Yours go gone. Hey, man.

You have to roll yours up. Come on. Honest, man. Yes, sir. I got a question for you. Yeah. Question. Question.

2013. For the wrong reason. Charles Grosveno. Yeah, and Donald Glover. Can you speak to just like that early, you know, working with him and did you say foresee that how would happen he be to the coach later on in years? Yes, meeting Donald Glover, Charles

Gavino, how if you want to refer to him, I identify with him because he grew up, drove a witness. I grew up drove a witness. So when I saw that left to center awkwardness, I was like, oh, he just. This is Joe Witness. However, so to me, like, the first time I met him is like, oh, he flew me out to come do the thing with him

in Chris Bosch's old mansion in LA. Nice-ass mansion on the hills, pool off the side of the hill. You know what I'm saying? It's just amazing here. He's me and Chance the rapper playing Connect 4, just hanging out. You know what I'm saying? At the time, I don't even know who this,

who Chance the rapper is. How whatever, it's just like, oh, I'm gonna play, you know what I'm gonna play, I'm gonna bust this niggas. He don't know how good I'm at this game. It's actually the only game I'm good at. Right. I'm going to kill this life skin, nigga, right now. You know what I'm saying?

You know, it's a long time ago. I'm racist. I'm sorry. You know what I'm going to say? I've got way better with black culture over the years. And, you know, being around him, he is a very great curator to me of the people that he, his association. So it showed me then I was just like, damn, I got to find some artsy friends, artsy new friends.

I had my current friends, but we were so street. Like, I come from like, street shit, bro, which is like, I'm not down on it. It's just like, bro, that has a certain type of skill set with it. And if I'm not doing that skill set,

then it's kind of like useless in the things that I'm doing now at the time. So when I got around him and his entourage of people, I was like, damn, these niggas no songs I never heard of that helped me make better, help me make my next album. Like, me and them helped me do 10 piece mile

my next project where I was like, ooh, what if I do a song that has Gucci Man, Scooter, Alley Boy, and then, oh, wait a minute, I just did this thing with Charles Gambino. He's from the East Side. So Mountain is the east side, the suburbs, and the hood. If it got black people in it, it's still one. It's just a different type of house. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, that's like, me and him show me that, like, we're going to be all right type situation because leftistence is okay. And seeing Atlanta later on and just seeing how he's going. I can't move, it's like, duh, this dude right here could make Star Wars by himself. Yeah. New Face brought you some shit. New Face!

New Face! TV! Atlanta legend, ghetto legend. Legend, legend. Let's do it. Oh, wow. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Then you open that up.

Trinidad James in there. Woo! Yes, sir. But then you open that up right there. Look what's inside there, man. Oh, come on. Come on, man. I need this. I need this. I need this. It's my own hair. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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