The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - WALLO in the Trap! | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

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Let's do it, baby. Let's go. We've got a very special guest in the house with us today. We got to change the name of the show now. This is going to be $85 million worth of a game. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, if you can look at him, the baby oil edition.

Hey, well, why you got to stop playing with me, why? Listen, man, that's all his jokes. You know he's 25 years in the chain game. Man, he just said he was going through a bottle of baby all the week. No, I said there's a possibility that you can. That's going to create a rash. I never confirmed that I was going to do that. But even if you don't confirm that you did it, you was in the vicinity of somebody else.

I said, you were going to do that. Bainball and a fast, fast motion is not good. No, lotion is better. See, this was, this shit. Mixed. This shit going somewhere I don't even want to go. Hey, we got none other than, slippery-ass wallow. Slipper-ass! Wallow 36-7!

In here with us today talking about his new book, armed with good intention. It's amazing that he wrote a book. He just learned how to read last year. Yep. I don't just fucking with you, man. Hey, what made you do it, Walo? I wanted to share my story so they can see the similarities in my journey

and how I didn't give up and how they, you know, they can't give up. You got to keep going because a lot of times if people are looking at anybody here, they look at the success, they look at anything you're doing, they look at the jury of the cars, but they don't know. It's your, you know, you got to pay attention to your story and not your glory. All of us here, we had some hardships, some trauma growing up, trying to figure it out, not knowing what was going to happen, could have went to, you know, could have been dead, could have went another route.

And I think a lot of times some people see Once you get to success Successes there, it's like, oh, he got to figure it out No, we don't. We're still figuring this shit out In the process of why we're winning You're still trying to figure things out You go through the hardships, the ups and downs And it's like, I wanted people to see that

Be like, yo, we're the same, I just didn't give up. So I'm 302, right? So take us back. Take us back to Because everybody claimed that they've been in the streets and all that. But it's only two ways. you can either escape or you get the ass end of the stick.

And I think we all witnessed that. And of course of your testament, you got the ass in of the stick. But like you said, you got out and you overcame. You are a product of rehabilitation for real. So can you take us back to when Wallow was in the streets and then when Wallow realized, oh shit, my life just got taken away from it.

And now, during this process, how do I keep a sane mind and knowing that my day is going to come? But when my day actually came, I didn't take it for granted. You know what it was? Like, me being in the streets, I was just emulating the shit that I seen take place in the ghetto. And I wanted to be a part of something. I didn't want to be left out. And I didn't want to feel like it.

I wasn't strong enough to embrace my individualism. Because, you know, what I find funny to me, when I laugh at a lot of times, with motherfuckers being the street, talking about I ain't no follower. Nigga, you ain't a vintage street gang. niggas been doing that shit since the beginning of the time and it's this idea that we have in our mind that if we ain't a part of this criminal

lifestyle we're a sucker, we're lame, we're goofy, we're a weirdo and that's what was taking place when I was growing up and I was like, I ain't want to be that so the fact I wasn't strong enough and I was impressionable not to go against the grain and say you know what, let me just go to school

let me go try to play some sports let me just do some regulars I said man I got to be a part of this and at the same time in the ghetto the only thing I've seen, the only people that got respected in our ghettos was the motherfucker that got some money.

They ain't respect to working, man. They respect Mike with the bins that pull up getting the most beautifulest girl in the neighborhood. He had the bins, he had gold chain on, pocket full of money. Ms. Johnson, Ms. Brown, Ms. Green,

all the older ladies, hey, baby. They wasn't speaking to Mr. Earl that was coming back from work. There was a plumber eight day dirty. Right. So I said, and a lot of us said, I got to be him, the street nigga, the drug dealer.

And that what it was, but like, I ain't going to hold you. D.C., when I thought about it late on the jail, I said, man, I'm sitting in jail or goofy for following, trying to be down with some shit that I really wasn't down with. But I was afraid to say, that ain't me. And nobody want to say that. That's why a lot of times, when I see anybody with this ultra-tuff shit, I'll just be like, come on, dog. Like, you're just really scared. You just don't want to tell the homies that you think they're going to look at you goofy. But you really don't, because your tough shit is like

manufacturer. I can just see through it. Because it's not consistently. And you really got a heart. You really not as cold as you think you is. That's why you're doing, that's why you put all the camouflage on. You got the mask on because you're scared to see yourself. You don't want to anybody see your face and be like, come man, let me get your hug, man. You ain't really trying to do that. What was it? What was the thrill of the streets for you? The thrill was the excitement that in America, they love the successful criminal. So I wanted to be one. If you go to a judge, a lawyer, district attorney, the FBI agent, they're going to tell you their favorite movie is Scarface or Michael Coulillon and the Gulf. That's all they love.

That's all they love. We only love wrong. And that was always on a pedestal in America. Everything about it was, that's the only person that got the, so I was excited like, damn, can I still an American dream? Because I've never seen nobody getting an American dream working. I never seen nobody obtaining that shit.

You see what I'm saying? Everybody I've seen that was getting these motherfuckers get, damn. In that drugs, he got the car. Mr. John, ain't never had no brand new bins, man. He's been working for 100 years. He ain't never getting nothing brand new. All he do is paint his house. two years this motherfucker flying doing his got all the girls got the jerk so you look at that it's really young you want to be you want that shit you want to

be down you don't know no better and even though you got a good family grandma my mom they telling me what to do but they are the right pair they out fucking number they outnumber when you step outside of the house and step into the streets you got all these different personalities all these different you know people that's on the same you know impressionable just like you you don't know they just know how to camouflage that shit better than you They put in the real nigga costume. That real nigga costume is crazy.

They sell them Jones at the corner store. Think about it. It's just not, you know, they just know how to put it on. They know what to say. They got the balled up face, the energy. And you're just like, oh, damn, I got to be down with that. It's deep. So when was the moment that you realized, oh, shit, I'm caught?

It wasn't just about being caught. When you go to jail, you're like, damn. I'm like, oh, shit, my ass on the line. They're going to try to get me. on some real shit. I ain't, I ain't one of the dudes that wanted to cap and just be like, I'm in that joint. Oh shit, I'm thinking about the movie, blood and blood. Oh, my God.

What the fuck that I didn't do? You know? Because I was already doing the juvie juvenile bits, but that shit wasn't really nothing. But when you, you know, they certify me at the adult, 17. Fix who might? Walo? Motherfucking. Come on, now, shit getting deep now.

God, damn. He had the juvie joints. This is his first day. Remember that, juvie joint. This is last day, fucking me. Yeah, you fucking up. Nigger coming in here with his hand in his pocket. Get your hand out your pocket, nigga.

He gonna fix a nigga Mike with your hand in your pocket. You got it, though. You got it, smell. You gonna go through his, fix that. Let it marinate. What we look like. We good? Give him one second.

Oh, shit. Yes, sir. One, two, three, four, five. Second. Okay, bit. You be. So, you know, juvenile system, I'm going through that, but I'm a juvenile when they certify me as a adult.

Because in Pennsylvania, you know, all these states is different. You're a child being charged as an adult. Yeah, because when you get locked up with a certain crime, I had the guns, the firearm violations and the robbery. So it's like, oh, at the district, when they take you, oh, you're an adult now. You got to go to court to figure out if we want to make you a child again. Because your record mixed with your crime, no, we're going to send you up top. And then you go to court, and you're in there trying to get the mercy of the judge.

trying to get the mercy of the judge. Judge's like, nah, your jacket to a little linty. You know what the fuck. You know the right. You got to go up top to the big boys. So you're still really a kid. Now they're going to sentence you like you're a adult.

And that's what the shit get real. And something that you say all the time, what I saw you say about your messaging to, you know, throughout your time being in jail, watching a revolving door, the young is coming in and out, keep coming in and out, was y'all operating out of a book

that don't nobody read no more. Yeah, that's what the old, that's what the younger to tell you, because, you know, it took a long time. You know, because I knew about I seeing this young kid, he was telling on his homies, and we was in the hole in sales. And it was some real information that he gave me and it woke me up to the point of like, damn, that's some deep shit.

And I'm like, damn, nothing, you know, you did your own shit, whatever you did. And damn, how are you going to tell on them? He was a part of, like, oh, gee, mind your business, man. Damn. I said, because we're in the gates, like, his cell down there, right, with a green joint and we're in the gates. He walked by, and they're like, yeah, the nigga, tell him those on the end.

And I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, what you say, young blood? What you say? So my man, O.G., Jeff Gant, get on the joint. He's like, oh, gangston, the joint. This is boxable or all that. You know, I mean, he was for all in respect. He said, what did you say, nothing?

You say, y'all heard me, man. Mind you all business, man. See, see, the problem with your O'G's is, you know, you're operating off with some rules in the book that nobody read no more, man. Mind you fucking business, man. So I sat back down on the bed because his vocal tone was a little aggressive

and I didn't know if he really was like that So I didn't want to figure out if he really was built like that I just sat down and laid down and let Jeff keep talking to him through the gate I'm like Because I'm sitting here processing like Damn that was some deep shit All those rules that anybody died for

And swore by and this and the third That shit out the window The United States of America's street code manual Whatever it was It's like and then you say yourself Was it ever really a manual or was we just blind following? Because what the fuck happened?

We get out of all this shit. And you look at it and you're seeing like, you know, for me being in the penitentiary, I'm seeing dudes in there for, you know, you got dudes sending that joint, especially in the state of Pennsylvania, been in here, you know, 45 years, 30 years, 30 years is like a normal number.

Damn. Like, that's like normal. You know, everybody been, like, them dudes doing life, they've been in a year after 30 years. Like, that's like the normal job, man. So it was like, you just like, who the fuck won out of this shit? And on the other side, the ones that ain't in penitentiary, they did.

Right. So it's like, who really won? You'd be like, damn, who really won out of this shit, bro? The mortuary? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and then it's like, you wake up in the jail, he was like, I did it. It takes two, two, probably four, five, shooting gun. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

What's that? That wasn't even five seconds. Your life could be gone. for less than five seconds so when you look at that shit and when I think about all the robberies all my crime I probably in the history of my criminal participation

and the crimes that I committed and it got locked up for it probably didn't add up to about four or five minutes but I spent five years in the juvenile facility and then I'm 20 years in the penitentiary I spent majority in my life inside of cells to where it was so normal it was so normal for me to be bitten

it was like nothing I get locked up It's like, oh, I'm doing a bit. I'm not saying that. You know what I mean? Going there, it was a program where it was I go in there. I get to the cell block. I see, oh, let me get some cleaning equipment. I splash the cell down, clean the cell, scrubbing it all that shit.

I mean, get with the block. You go, man, I'm going to need some extra sheets, man. I need some extra sheets, man. I need some extra sheets. I got you away. I'm going to get you some conversation. And I just go back into my bed. You know what I mean?

Because it's a program. And you see so many brothers do it. That's why a lot of our family me, like, damn, that motherfuck can do a bit like it ain't five years. Motherfucking, five years, there ain't nothing. Hey, man, how you do that much time and not let it break your mind, though, Wallow? Because, like, we've been knowing you for a long time,

you know what I'm saying? And I ain't never seen you get out of character. I ain't never seen you not smiling. I ain't never seen you speak with an aggressive tone. But, like, the people who know your story know that, nigger, that's a world away from the rowdy nigga you were. Like, how do you deal with, that part and not let it break your mind.

Prison humble me because no matter what you're doing and you think you do, how tough you is, I didn't seen some real live tough motherfuckers. Like, I'm talking about, I didn't see some real live, angry motherfuckers.

And it'd be like, you in that cell and you're in them joints. And you're like, oh, my life ain't that bad. These motherfuckers are going to be lifting weights to lifestop. Like, you got, like you understand. I'm in the penitentiary, the biggest penitentiary in Pennsylvania, 5,000 inmates in this joint. And the majority of these dudes got, they got to be here to their lifestyle. So it's like, I'm looking at it like, I always had this relief in me like, damn, I'm getting out one day.

But it also gives you a level of respect, it gives you some humility because you got to be humble in these type of environments because prison was the most dangerous and the most respectable environment I've ever been. in my life because these dudes in here is real life killers and you got motherfuckers they just, they wake up every day hoping they can stab somebody today. I didn't know that my motherfucker. They'd be just angry and bitter.

So, but then it's also the dudes that's on a high level of the mannerism was crazy because it's like they're so serious and ain't playing no game to where it's dope. You'll see an OG bump or another OG in the process of going to the child hall

and they'll sit there for a minute and they have an apology festival. My fault, brother. No, my fault, brother. And you're like, why this going on? Because they understand that if us two go through this shit, it's going to erupt in our different, you know, a homeboy is going to go through it

and fuck the whole, the movement of the prison up. Because once that go down there, they're going to lock us down. Motherfuckers got to get shipped out. They're going to start taking certain prison privileges and then you fuck up the whole morale and the movement and the flow of the prison. So they're thinking on a bigger level. So you're sitting back like, I ain't got them problems.

I'm going to get out. out of here one day. Tomorrow's going to be better than yesterday. So I'm in there always laughing every day. Always happy because I'm like, damn, I ain't got to be here forever. I'm going to get out of here one day. Because when you go in there and it seems crazy, 20 years is a long time. But I'm like, there's a motherfucker in here across the hall that been in jail for 42 years. and he got the rest of his life to go

like he ain't even start his time you know what I'm saying so I'm looking at this shit like damn you know and then I'm looking at it like damn you know I can't be in here complaining I can't be bitching like you know and then I'm seeing dudes kill himself they're hanging up in there

dudes getting raped motherfuckers getting stabbed to the motherfucker's arm getting tired is what I'm saying And it's like, you know, I had to go so deep in the prison ways, though I had to go insane in order to stay sane. So me and you kicking it. We're walking in the yard, man.

You see the brown last night? You see the fight. Man, that shit was crazy. You had a motherfucker screaming over there. A motherfucker chasing the motherfucker with a knife, stabbing him. But me and you, our minds is protected because we already went insane and stay sane. So we're looking at that motherfucker like, man, that motherfucker did some dumb shit. But yeah, man, the game was crazy.

And we walking. the dehumanization of black people by black people it already took place in the ghetto whereas though we taught from a kid when you fall off the swing and you start crying boy stop crying be tough you taught not to feel and not to be human from a kid perspective so now we in the penitentiary

is really real you definitely can't be no human you definitely can't show no signs of emotion you see what I'm saying you're gonna do that when you go in yourself put your towel up that's when you by yourself you figure that shit out with that being said you You, you know, you lost your brother.

Yeah. Why you was in J, your mom's. No, my mom. My grandma. Your grandma. My mom, my step-pop. So you got to understand. How did you manage that, though?

What you just said about not being able to show no emotion to lose people who are close to you like that in that environment. It gets deep. It get deep with me because, like, my prison joint, I was a part of it. I was a part of generational incarceration. This is something that take place that a lot of us don't understand. Generational incarceration is, in the 80s, I used to go see my step-pop in prison, right? Me and my brother, Steve and Jalau. Jalau is my step-pop son, my youngest brother.

So we used to always go up there. Hip used to always give me, you, man, stay out, don't do this, man, go to school. He used to always push that on me, but you went to the penitentiary. So I'm going to the penitentiary to see him, it didn't work. The game he was giving me didn't work. So we're in Dallas Penitentiary. We're going to see him and it's in Dallas, Pennsylvania.

So what happened is this in the 80s, 1990, by time this in the 80s, so I'm growing up doing my stuff. He in prison, we always going to see him. By 1998, me and him and cellmates in that prison, I used to visit him as a kid. In 2005, me and my brother is cellmates in the prison. We used to visit my step-pop as a kid. they wind up going home

I'm doing big numbers both of them expire while I'm in the joint so it's like it's real deep but on the flip side of this is this in prison I learned about nepotism

because why you're looking at us on this side on this side as inmates and as a family structure in their brothers cousins and all that shit on the other side the warden his brothers

a lieutenant. His son is a sergeant. His sister is run a nurse building. His other brother running gym activities at the prison. His other cousin run the prison kitchen. So you got 15 motherfucking family members on the other side that work in here. And then you got a bunch of other families that's over here. You got mom, you got sons and dads. She and sells is both doing life in the penitentiary. So it's a crazy thing when you look at it. So when I see what be going on. I'm not speaking to these cats from a place of some old hair that's disconnected from the reality of life

just don't do that, don't do that shit. I'm not talking to don't do that shit. I'm telling you, because listen some, and I said it, that little money you got, don't disrespect your blessing. Wherever it was poo, rather it was thug, whoever it was, I'm giving it to them to them. If you look at it, I'm not talking to them niggas as they pair. I'm talking to them niggas as an elder.

Like, listen, Neff, I'm telling you. I don't get a fuck. What's you talking about? Because when the people come and like you said, we're seeing this with when they come and they want you that money don't mean nothing man money don't mean shit sometimes when they want you so i'm speaking from a place of of it's established like like i tell people i don't speak no theory shit like i want to i'm not no speaker out here that's talking about oh you can just i'm not speaking from theory i'm only speaking from manifestation

and experience if i tell you something about the you know the dark side of the street culture the penitentiary. I'm telling you based off experience. You know, some people are going to tell you, it ain't jail ain't cool. Don't go to it. Nigga, you haven't been to jail? Some people are going to tell you, yeah, you can do it. You can materialize your dreams. They're going to be on Instagram with all this motivational shit.

Nicky, what you do? Where do you come about it? What do you come about them? What did we see from you? For you to tell me that I could be, to try to motivate me. You can't motivate me. You ain't get no money. See, one thing about this shit out here, you can't teach what you don't know when you can't go. These niggas ain't going nowhere. They're just talking that shit.

So they don't have the expertise, the knowledge to be able to speak on certain shit. All that magical shit motive. Now, that shit sounds good and it looked good because you think you're going to get some clickbait and you're going to win. But did you motivate yourself first, nigga? I came out of the penitentiary

and took it to the top. So that's that. But y'all built the, you know, y'all ain't no different. No, y'all is different. Y'all are a little different than, you know, with the Wayne's brother's built with living color because y'all own y'all shit.

It's a little different, and ain't no disrespect to them. They was O.G.'s that laid the foundation, but it's a difference. You know what I'm saying? So y'all can speak on the behalf of how to build, you know, a company, a platform, multiple platforms. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think we live in this world where it's though people in the young cast,

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That's like a nigga went to jail in 2004, came home today. Yeah. What was your connection? to being able to come straight out like you did and jump right into the culture that was going on in the time that you got out like did you have a consiglio on the outside that was like hey

this social media and what's at this is where it is I was an interrogator in prison let me give you the game so I got so much time in prison that you know myself I told the one CEO

that was working the block because I'm in greatest four penitentiary and that's right close to Philly so it's a lot of black guards in there now if you move from there you and them joints with them hillbilly guards and ain't no fucking joke So I got the guard to make my cell a transit cell.

So when my cell became a transit cell, that means they moved with people out of there. Might be there for a week, two weeks, but they're coming straight from the streets, but roll violators and stuff like that. So by that, I'm able to interrogate them and get sidewalk therapy through them. Because they come in, I'm like, damn, yeah.

Yeah, man, I went to Miami. Yeah, well, let me see the past shit. My girl was going to send them this week. Damn, well, how did you go to Miami? Because when you're talking to a nigga that never went nowhere. I'm like, no, I have to, you know, I'll be booking a flight to my death before I go on this joint called Expedia. Expedia, what's that?

It's online. What the fuck is online? So I'm writing shit in my book of life. The book of life is nothing but a composition book where I would write everything that I was told. Yeah, you do? Yeah? So they always feed me. Then my homeboy, rest of peace in him, Nitty.

He came to my cell one day. He had a wireless hotspot, a clear wireless hotspot like this thing and an iPod touch. He said, bro, man, we got to just the joint, set up an Instagram page. that's how I set up the Instagram page and that's how my name became Wildo 267. See, my prison number a lot of people think, damn, 267,

that's Philly. Now, that's obsolete. It wasn't 267 when I went to the penitentiary. It was 215. So motherfuckers would be like, damn, man, you know, when they get the names and I'm going to show you why. If you look, that's my prison ID right here. See, my number, DG 2670. I got the 267 for my prison name when I was

my Instagram because when I go set my Instagram up it was somebody that had the name so I'm like I got to so I took the two six seven so I can remember where I came from when I ain't never going back to that's my prison number a lot of people that know that they think oh you just got it from fifth now so I set that shit up and I'm sitting in the cell now on Graham I'm looking at this shit but this like 2000 when I get the phone 2012 2013 some shit like that I get the phone I mean get that shit it was like I'm studying the game now for real I'm in the inside world watching a whole shit. I'm like, damn, it's sweet out there. Because I'm looking at the, I'm in prison, looking at the world outside, especially our community. And I'm like, I'm telling my home. I said, this is it me?

Oh, there's more motherfuckers in prison out there than they hear, because these motherfuckers, they put limitations on their self on anything. Motherfuckers ain't doing too much out there. I can relapse around these motherfuckers because we ain't grow up with the satellite. I'm like, these motherfuckers got the satellite. And they ain't doing that with that shit?

I'm like, I could do anything. It was up. I'm in there watching Anthony Bordane. Anthony Bordane used to be on drugs. This nigga got his life together. Now, he's giving people education about the world and exposure. I knew that in the ghetto we lacked exposure.

Niggas ain't going to where. A nigga ain't going to leave their city. You know what I mean? Muckuckuckus never left Macon, Georgia, man. They ain't going nowhere. Coming to Atlanta's like, oh, man, it's so easy to get a flight.

I ain't know a flight was that cheap. So I'm looking online, in the phone, I'm looking right down, oh damn, you could fly from Philly to LA for a hundred-some of dollars? What the fuck, I ain't know the difference between airlines and cheap airlines. I'm like, yo, so I'm talking to niggas in the yard.

Like, niggas don't even, hey man, niggas don't be going away, what was you doing out there? Man, I was chilling, you was chilling down the way. You know, a flight course. I'm gonna study your shit, looking up stuff, and I'm like, oh man, yeah, it's sweet when I get out. And I just came home and I'm like, I had to roadman, because I had to,

a starting point from the cheat code of telecommunication. And I say, when I get out, it's freak. I come from the 80s where you had to hustle a day to get yours. So I'm like, I'm out hustle these dudes. And one thing I realized about the black culture was, everybody got too many twos. They were too cool, they were too tough, so they're going to be too broke. It's even one of them old.

And when I say too cool, a motherfucker got all these stipulations on what they're too cool to do. And I ain't get no job, man. Oh, man, I ain't fucking with them. They're corny. I ain't doing everything. Everything is you too cool for everything, nigga. And then you got the other part. I'm just tough.

Them niggas, man. I can't be around those pussies. I'm a tough guy for no reason. I never made no money being tough, but I love being tough. I'm just a loser and I love it. He's a fucking idiot. Because, you know, you got a motherfucker dude that's too cool to work.

It's like you're always begging and borrowing and trying to get something from the motherfucker at work. Because historically, there's always been the working people in our family that went and billed niggas out of jail that sent niggas commissary money. But you was too cool to do all this shit. But then you go to the penitentiary

and got to work for cents on a dollar. But at the same time, you niggas be out here too cool. Everybody don't want to work. Damn, yeah. You ask the mother for every dude. Damn, what's up, man? What you work at? No, I don't work, man. I'll rap.

No, you don't. You're a fucking hobbyist. You don't rap. Don't tell nobody you rap. You rap. You rap when you get money. You don't rap when you get money. you're just a hobbyist. That's a hobby, nigga.

You're not getting no money for rapping. You're out here fantasy. You got a... You're dealing with fantasies and shit, man. Fuck as you talking about. I'll rap. I had to tell my homie son that shit. He was mad at me, man.

Mad as shit at me. He's still mad at me, probably. I said, Neth, what the fuck? I'm telling niggas you rap, man. That's a hobby, man. I said, you see what's name that's always going to the motherfucking the playground with the knee braces on?

He's doing all them extra shots and all them dumb-ass moves. That's a hobby, man. That nigga ain't get no money for playing basketball. You're the same as him. He was mad the shit at me, man. That's the worst thing you can tell a nigga now.

I see that. Man, that's the real thing, rap. I've seen that on the brother's shows up in New York. And I said, one of the most disrespectful things you can tell him, motherfucker, it's equivalent to spit the nigger faces that he can't rap in the ghetto. Because this is what happened. This shit right here, this shit is worse than to tell our vision.

Tell live vision, what the lies is told. Because this shit got motherfuckers believing that they're motherfucking Michael Jordan when they really are a towel boy Because it's the illusion of this we remove this one we removed in our community We remove judgment we remove reality Shame and we move shame so now it's like Everybody is extraordinary victims Soon as you say something to you man listen man you got to stop getting high man you want some dumps come on man I'm doing he's doing him man Man, you can't, man, you can't just judge him like that, man.

He's doing him. No, you're a junkie, nigga. You're a fiend, nigga. You got dope in your body. You're a fiend, nigga. That's always been the story. Oh, no, she's just doing her. No, she's a whore.

No, no, don't call her that. You can't, she's doing her. No, everybody got all these words to slide out of accountability. And they play victim. Why you got to talk to them like that? Why you got to everybody? That's why our community fucked up now because can't nobody tell nobody the truth

and hold nobody accountability is dead so as soon as you check the motherfucker tell him, damn, you're a junkie, man, no, no, he ain't, no, he ain't, but anybody want to mourn and cry when the motherfucker die. Motherfucker was a Jay. Well, Jay, jays die. That's what happened.

Motherfucker was a street niggas. Street niggas get killed. That's why you see the funeral. You see Kishinaw. My baby, I never heard nobody. Your baby was a fucking mass murder. You know he shot poo-poo in them the other day, right? Fuck you mean, they came back and shot him.

But you were too busy not knowing what's going on because you keep running down to Miami because you got your body done. And you're worrying about yourself because now it's your turn. You figure it's like, no, he figured out. I gave him a laptop, I bought him some drawings. That nigga figured out, you ain't know he got that gun too.

You ain't never serious his room, though. But you know how to get into a nigga phone, breaking the nigh-codes and all that shit and find out he talking the key shit, but you don't know how to search his own room? You want how to find the gun in there? So it'll be real live situations that we don't talk to. And anybody to step up in our coach and talk real shit,

they don't like that shit. Yeah, well, they've been showing it to us for years. Niggas, nigga need to watch tales from the hood. After you shot Crazy Kaye, some of his homies came back and shot you. Let me ask you this, well, love. After being, you know, locked down for so long, when you got the news that you was going home, though. What was that feeling like?

Some people, because some niggins were incarcerated. No, the scariest day of prison is that you gotta get out of prison. For real? You know why? Because now you gotta be that nigger that you never was in your life. That's the scariest thing because when you're in the penitentiary, hey, you're doing five years, first year, you tell- Hey, Mom, I'm chilling, man, I ain't fucking with Boo Boo and Craig no more. You tell you, tell you baby, Mom, I'm telling you, baby.

I just want my family back as me and you against the world. I'm done with them niggas, man. I'm done with anybody. I got my mind right. You learn about 6-7, maybe 20 or 13. Big words. You know what I'm saying? You're dropping them on the phone.

You know, I need to come on a call from the penitentiary. They know some shit now. They try to tell anybody, see, no, y'all are you doing that wrong, man? When I get out there, I'm telling you, man, we're going to do some things different. I got a plan. And then you got some goofy ass niggas that be waiting for him. Like, damn, what's they going to come on with the plan? Nigg, what's you doing in the streets?

Huh. You know what I mean? Like Jay Z said in a song, niggas got them kind of streets from jail. from jail, you in the street player, make your move, get your mail. Niggas can coost in the SL but can't post bell. So it's like, you're on the streets. You're waiting for a nigga here, but that's, niggas be weak. So now when it's time to go out, niggas be like this.

They'll be pushing niggins. They'll be like, hold up. Don't push your fucking mean. Come on. Time to go now, nigga? No, no, hold up, man. Put on your street clothes. Now it's like, I got to see if I'm really this nigga I told my grandma I am now. Right.

Because the nigger that you said that you is now that you became, he never got challenge he never he never smelled temptation because he in the joint but now you come out you might crack my fucks crack because now you got to come out here and be a law by the citizen you got to go get your identification you got to walk around with identification now buddy you got to have your license you got to have insurance you got to make sure your baby's got insurance you just was running around out here your whole life existed off a bank road that was in your pocket or under your mattress that ain't how life work now baby 401k all the real shit so now that's that's hard responsibility is hard

accountability is hard so you know you know when they told me I was coming I was scared just like anybody else because you got to be somebody else that you never was you don't know everything that you set up and they put you prepare you to be

you don't know if you can maintain that person shit's scary so so give us that day you know what I'm saying I ain't do number 31 day that's a long time man That's a long time, but still it taught me like, oh shit, 31 days, niggas, I could be 10 years, 15 years. You want to do that shit for that long?

I always tell people, when you get out that sign of freedom because you've been so restricted for so long, when you were like, damn, can't nobody tell me to lay down to do that. I can eat what I want, touch what I want. I can go across the street, that sign of just being thankful and grateful for the little shit. It's that, and then it's the sad part that hit when you hit back to T, when you get back to, when you get back to. the reality of your environment and your community boo-boo dead Mike did

you see a lot of shit is just different it's like a movie I don't know if you ever seen an education of Sunny Carson right yeah most definitely when Sunny come home you remember when Sunny come home

how sad it was he walking down the street see the girls she fiend out his man all fiend out he come down he's like you get on the joint like he got that walk but everybody like

everything is dead is gloom he was beat down but boy he even got to the house But let me give you the game, let me lay it on you. So when I get back, I'm in Philly. I ain't like it when I see. I had to wash my eyes. When I say watch my eyes,

the poverty that took place, that was taking police in the ghetto when I got back, it was so draining that my home girl, my sister from another mother, Nadia, she was living down here in Atlanta. And she had a motherfucker in John. She had a store on Peter Street right next to Pee Wee, Longway Studio, right? And she was like, yo, come down here, man.

And my brother was living from another mother's sight. He was living in Alpharetta, Georgia. So he said, I'm going to come get you. He came down. We drove down this motherfucker. I came down this bitch. Let me tell you something, man. You know, and I always said when I said this when I was in a joint,

I said, I'm going down Atlanta, man. I got to go down there because all the TV shows they always had that Georgia, everything was in Atlanta, everything. So you were in the joint watching the TV shows

at the end you just see that John come I'm like, I'm going down Atlanta, man. Everything down there's popping down there and they got all the chicks down there, man. So I'm like, he bring me down this John, man. I go on Peter Street. At the time I'm selling these t-shirts

there's always money in different cities got the different cities on there, all this dumb shit. But I'm making some, I'm right there. My man, this one I'm I meet my man Carbin 1-5. He knew my cousin. We connected.

Yeah, that's my guy, man. Shout out to Carbin, man. I meet Corbin. Carvin showing me around, showing me love. And I never forget. I stood outside of Lennox Mall. I got me his cup of tea.

I ain't really had no money. My bro was you. Like, yo man, we should. I said, no, just leave me here. And I sat in front of that motherfucker for like half a day. Just keep going getting tea, going in and going and taking the piss and just walking around watching motherfuckers.

but in front of the mall I sat there and I never seen black people living like that in my life and I'm looking, I'm thinking everybody, every time I see a motherfucker go to a car Lamborghini, I'm like, oh they've got a lot of different valets in here I'm like, oh shit, that's that that sister. It motivated me in a way I never

it was just a motivation because I've never seen black success and I never seen black mannerism in the way I've seen it in the South. How are you doing? It sneaks nice, brother. I'm like damn, they're talking to each other like that? It was something, and it changed my life. And I went back up top. When I went back up top, it's like, it's all.

I'm gonna light this shit up, because I realized that it was a world that was bigger than the world that produced me. A lot of us don't understand that's neighborhoods outside of the neighborhood that we live in our whole life. But we don't see, and I think we lack exposure in the hood a lot of times,

and we miss out on a lot of blessings. Yeah, now let me ask you this, for somebody who, from the South, I guess we get used to the hospitality and things like that. But you said you saw niggas talking to each other for the first time and it wasn't on like, like on some conversations. It was a respect. It was everything was respectable, man.

You see what I'm saying? It was just every little thing. I'm like, it was detailed because of knowing for a motherfucker see you, man, know your whole life, man, won't say nothing to you. I know niggas I never spoke to him in my life. They, they mad at me and I don't know why. And they never spoke to me and I never spoke to them. We lived on the same block. It don't fucking know.

Listen. The East Coast is the most critical place in America. From that Baltimore, D.C., all the way up to New York, well, fuck, be down Baltimore, Slim. I'll be, hey, Mr. Slim. I don't know you, man. Down D.C. He know. Fuck you're talking to me for, Slim. The nigga just be mad to be mad. Down here, there's brotherhood and sisterhood on its highest form. And that's why, why are you thinking, y'all don't know this why the whole fucking

Atlanta ain't Atlanta no more, and everybody got the fuck from out the East Coast and ran down this bitch. Majority of the people down this joins from East Coast, New York, Philly, D.C., Cleveland, all that shit. Baltimore. They didn't invent it because it was soft. It was loving down here. It was soothing down this motherfucker. That's why everybody left. Man, one of the things that I admire about you is the discipline that you have because you got out of prison, but you're on parole until what year?

God damn. October 29th, 2048. And the blessing about that is that next month I got a hearing and get off the roll, October 8th. Do you know what I'm saying? Talk your shit. Talk your shit.

Because I know you didn't been all the way through the justice system and all that. And I see you've been working with city council and state and all the officials, man. I got the key to the city. I just been doing my thing.

Oh, shit, nigger. Yeah, please, man. I'm going from one side to the other. They gave me the city. They gave me an honorary shirt badge so I can lock you niggas up. No, that ain't what that mean, bro. That's what I told you. No, that's right.

I just went to all that shit. You can't get done? You ain't rehabilitated, nigger. You are tricking, nigga. I told Gil, I said, man, I could lock. He said, no, use a rat. You can't lock the liggas up. I said, Gil, you don't mean.

That's why that shit made sense to him when he said, oh, head mind your business. He said, you know what? I am the police. Yeah, I felt like this is our training day. I'm like, nigger. So, but no, it's like, it just feel good, you know. You know, you don't know.

Just like people is really watching. You're just doing it because you're doing it from me. You're looking out for the people trying to encourage youngings. And just loving when you come from. And I believe, like with me, I come from every neighborhood, every ghetto in America. It's just a different name. We're all family. We got to do the same struggles.

And that's why I get the love that I get because I show people love. It's like, it's easy, but it's like, it's a blessing, man, to get recognized for doing right, when you always got recognized for doing wrong. Well, can I say that whatever happened or transpired in the past life, is this life that we get to see the real you? You dig what I'm saying? That's why I say you are a product of rehabilitation

because they swear that once we get in that system, we trap, we stuck. We're always going to be that same person. But this is who, like you said, we never embraced our individualism. Never. And who you are is who you were before. It's just you had to own it. You feel what I'm saying? And we see it.

We appreciate it. And we appreciate you giving off that energy because people who get incarcerated and come out, they at least got somebody that they can have a hero, look up to him and be like, look, I'm not a criminal. I may have done some stupid shit, but I'm like him. Yeah. And if he can do it, what do you think? I can't do it. And you know, it's like, it's like I had to realize and I always tell people.

It's not about me. It's about the people that's coming after me because when you look at me, you say, damn, okay. Brother, come out of jail. I've been out of jail going on eight years, February to be eight years. Talk your shit, now. That's a long time. That's a long time. And it's like, I'm the cultural advisor of YouTube, bro.

You know what I mean? Think about that. Mm-hmm. Cultural advisor of YouTube, which is owned by Google. And I created a program called YouTube Avenue We went to about like 10 cities already Put like 5, 600 people in the room We bring different people from the music industry

To talk on a panel with me Outside of my team, Rachi, Mahalette Ritchie from the A, the Queen of the A, Mahalette, Adam, Brittany, C money, A bite is on the team. These sisters and brothers that work on YouTube, they get there, they show you how to start your YouTube, how to scale on YouTube, how to monetize your YouTube.

And it's just some shit that I came up with that I wanted to do when I got the position. And we've been able to Atlanta, D.C., Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Houston, Miami, Oakland. And we really took to the community because that's something I wanted to do. But I just be trying to lead by example, this show. It ain't about me. It's about imagine when you give people a real second chance. And you give them a shot that's coming from where I'm coming from. The possibility is endless.

You know, and like I told him, when I walked in here, you know, my book came out last week. September, September 10th, right? You know what I mean? It came out September 10th, and this, you know, today, it became a New York Times bestseller. Hey! Come on, man. Come on, man. Stop my fucking plan, man.

It's real big. It's real big. Yeah, yeah. Get served. You know. Yes, sir. It's about just showing... Pop the bottles, hold.

No, no, we don't need to do all that. I care about that. It's a pops of water. So it's like... It's just trying to show, not me. I just got to be an example of what could come if we really give people a chance. And you actually...

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Like, you're one of the most successful media personality, period. So you're exposed to a lot of things that is easy access that's kind of productive to what it is that you know you got to do to stay out here. How do you mentally keep yourself from doing the things that is available to you that, you know, that you know, that you know, may take you back, but it's just, you know what I mean? You know what's crazy. Parole and probation is like discipline. It's like, no, it's great. No, it ain't really even that. I don't even fucking, it ain't even about the parole and stuff.

It's really about like, bro, I thought when I got money, I think the idea that we have what money is, but we think life going change and we think all the traumas of our upbringing going to disappear. And you think this magical feeling going to come, you're like, damn, I got the paper. And I was like, I was disappointed because I was like, what the fuck they was taught?

Like I was going to get the Bruce Leroy blow. I thought I was going to be like Bruce Leroy and shit. I had some glow was going to happen. and I was going to be able to do all kick people across. Yeah, all that shit. But nothing happened. You'd be like, all right, I get money. I buy some shit.

I get a car. I drive it a couple times. I don't get a fuck about it no more. I do this. It's like, it just shit get bored quick because you have access. It's more fascinating when you can't do it. When you've got access to shit, you'd be like, all right. And then you start respecting the regular things in life.

Like, you know, simply going in the crib. You know what I mean? You're watching some motherfucking movies, chilling. me doing some research whatever and I enjoy that more than anything being in the whole just chilling and I thought that I would be given but then I'm glad I never went to none

the parties that you attended y'all to oh shit man you got us fucked up we're gonna go to the parties We heard about the prison party Yeah man we know you went to those He didn't act like he minded his men You heard that yeah we know

With a towel wrapped around his neck like a superhero He's ain't in the fly the night baby We're going to fly the night, baby. We couldn't practice tuna fish cans open, maybe for the fly tonight. You know what I? But I do want to ask you this, million dollars worth a game, man.

Like, you can tell from watching that you on Gil is partners. How did y'all keep that connection with you being away for a duff? Like, how did y'all come back straight into like y'all niggas that been functioning in the free world? And not thinking that he owe you something.

You know what it is? And I see that we ain't got that these days as long as, If I love you, D.C., I love you. You know how you got a cousin or a family member? You might don't talk that nigga for six, seven months, whatever. But it ain't know you want some bullshit. You ain't know he on some bullshit.

I think our idea of a real true love for one another and real true connection is, I think it became dilutal with social media that everything is about, damn, man. It's about right now in the social media world wisdom. And then you've got people that's so fucking clingy these days, they think they gotta be A, where with you? Hey, moo. Damn, man, you ain't post me for my birthday.

Nick, didn't I just call you and send you a cash app? What the fuck is you're talking about? Man. Everything is so, me and cousin, I've had it. He used to have the... He used to have a motherfucker come to my cell in the penitentiary, right? They'd be like, yo, man. I just was talking to my motherfucking cousin, man.

He was with Gil. Gil said, what the fuck is wilder at, man? The dick ain't called me in two and a half years. I'm like cuz I'm doing my bit he'd be like what the fuck type bitch you don't you don't even call niggas I'm like I don't need nothing what I'm gonna call you for you out there I'll be there let me knock my time off and when we came home we're right back at it because what we got is different than anybody else in the family it's just different our connection is different and it was like you can never owe me nothing

for something that I decided to do I got to be responsible for that and in our community we never want to be sponsored a niggas shoot somebody then be mad at y'all three but them niggas man they ain't send me no money I ain't pay for my lawyer pay for your lawyer for what the niggas got kids and family why would they pay for your lawyer you went out there and shot boo-boo because you was mad and you sucker punch you couldn't fight and I think that's what it is I've never been to do to point fingers or worry about what somebody's supposed to do for me based off of the shit that I got myself in I got it to go do my time and figure it out and that's why

when I came home we was right back at it because it wasn't nothing it ain't gonna never be nothing there. I mean, on the mental health side, you know, after being locked up for that much time, it's like, like you said, you get the money, you get the success, you get the girls, live beyond your wildest dreams, but upstairs, though,

how you keep your mind strong. You know, I talked to a therapist, man. I remember this one of the first therapists I talked to, right? She was so beautiful. I told her everything. Damn. We must have sat there for a day. I wasn't there. I went there early. I said, oh, shit.

What you want to know? She's like, this nigga crazy. Were you against the idea of going to therapy at first? No, I'm not against anything that. Listen, listen, this I am. I'm one of these people. If I respect you and you tell me something that's going to be beneficial to me,

I respect you enough to trust you enough to know that this is going to be beneficial to me and you ain't going to do nothing to me or direct me in a wrong path because our relationship don't call for that. You know what I'm saying? And so I was in there, man, and I was just talking and talking and telling her away anything.

She asked me questions. What, Robby? The robbery I got away with you. I did that, too. Yeah, you know, I was telling all types of shit. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah. I mean, you got a lot of sponsorships.

You just said something about YouTube, Colorado, different colleges. You go speak at TED Talks. But your story is your story. So how do you disarm these people when they hear who's coming versus? what they see when they get that. And how do you not get emotional to add on that?

Because it's personal, and you're speaking from the heart for real. See, my area of concentration is I'm speaking about things that's going to benefit the team or the corporation or wherever I go at. You know what just alarming people when you have records or what you was named when you win? See, you lean with the win. Like, it ain't about no, they're not worrying about what you did.

They weren't about what you're doing. that's just like a motherfucker from back in the day yeah man I had the bins man motherfucker's like man nobody want to hear that shit what you're doing now my man fuck you're talking about and that's how it is when you're dealing

with corporate America how can you bring value to our value see if you don't bring value to value devalue value they're not calling me if I ain't bringing value because one thing about this it's always going to be somebody in this corporation

it's always going to be somebody in these colleges that's going to be looking for you if you got something going on or if you're moving and shaking and these young kids they want me up in them colleges you see what I'm saying I'm and I'm always there I'm always there showing and proven and I'm going to show up and I'm going to go up because I'm speaking from a different like I told you can't teach what you don't know you can't leave when you don't go I'm not no motherfucking baggy baggy suit wearing motivational speaker talking some shit that's outdated and I never won they're like

damn I see oh oh yeah so they're not worrying about what happened they weren't about what's going on And they weren't about how can we win together. And I mean, how can we collab and make, and bring, especially corporate, give visibility to their brand or whatever. You know, this shit is all about traffic. That's all they care about. You're thinking about writing some old books. You got your first one at the gate. And what made you write this one?

What made you write this shit down? Because I needed people to see the similarities in my journey and my struggles to that and let them know that I'm human. because they don't think people that one is human. Right. They think it's always, man. That's why a lot of people don't bust some move and pull the triggers on their dream because they always make an excuse about why somebody else, man.

They're superheroes, man. That's why I can't. No, you can do the same. That motherfucker went to even more struggle than you ever went to. You know what I mean? So I just wanted to show the similarities in our struggles that we are human. We all fuck up.

We all lose. But I just didn't give up. You want to talk to them about the penitentiary love stories you got coming from? Which one? See, that's what I'm saying. Like, you gotta tell them about, like, the novel that you're writing about the... Oh, well, y'all don't need me for this segment. Which one?

The novel that you're writing about, you know, the experiences you had and watching, you know, your love experiences in prison. You told me about it at the airport. Oh, prison love story? Why are you so intrigued? I mean, I just want him to tell the people. You know what I mean? It was intriguing to me when he said it. No, man, I think you just...

I don't think they need to know all that. That was about love. It didn't really matter. That was personal. No, but on some real shit, speaking of love, though, man. You were in that box, man, and I know you saw a lot of dudes crash out when they got that bad news on the phone. Old girl sent that letter.

She moved on. I wanted to crash out when I found a baby leg had my chick. Man, baby leg had her, didn't he? She was going to spell me, too. So I get on the phone, I'm like, that joint ring. Because when you step to the phone, you step into the phone with some Billy D. Williams shit. Man, what's up? Listen, I give it you all later, man.

I'm going to go call my girl, man. You have a collect call from a state correctional institution. The caller is, walo. Then again, if you accept, push it. I'm like, what's up, baby? He's like, no, no, what's going on, man? No, she ain't here. I'm like, my heart was like,

and I wanted to scream because, I'm like, I just wanted to scream because it was like, It was like a movie, like... You're a probation officer, dude? He's like, you is doing the interview. I wouldn't scream because I'm like... You know how motherfucker, like Bigfoot? I wouldn't scream, baby name!

Because baby they got my chick now. That motherfucker answered the phone so cool and smooth. And he had an accent, so I knew that nigga was from bankhead some fucking weird. Why you got to put it on the wayside? Because, you know why? Probably a little, though. He sounded like one of the rap niggins, Dungeon family or something.

So I'm like, I'm like, yo, I don't want to say a name because I think she married right now. She's a lawyer, a motherfucker, a motherfucker, fucking boss in there. But I'm like, is what's the name in? I said, is this the right number? Yeah, this is the right number, man. She's watching it. Because he didn't hear me with the, yeah, this is the right number, man.

He took that man, I said, that nigga from down there. He's from down there. He's from Memphis. I'm like, so now I don't know what to say. You're like, you want to leave. He's like, you want to leave a message, bro? God damn, that nigga. This is a nice nigger, man.

Hey, you spake? You want something on your book? I'm going to put the wavy down. I'm going to make sense he put some on your book. He was like, hey, man, whatever you need for letting her get over here. You put the honey buns with the icing on it? I appreciate you for being like fuck up. I'm like, no, I'm cool.

So when I hang up and go back to the cell, see, you got to, hey, you got to make sure your walk is right because the nigger know when you got knocked for your brother in the phone room. And they're going to get you. Oh, yeah, he got, nigga, got your bitch. You done, nigger. Damn! The way to cry, you're done. I'm like, I walk out of the Joe like, damn, man. I walked out of Joe. I forgot what I said, but I said it's because, you know,

other dudes be waiting in the line. I'm like, damn, man, I'm going to call. Damn, I got to call her right back. Like, because I ain't let him know what was going to. So I slid to the cell through this towel up, man. I screamed, man. So what? So what? So what? So what?

But what is it? I was like this. Why? My baby! She's a good. Girl. Put that wind on that. She don't deserve this.

But why is it like, that's the energy. Like, I was just telling somebody the other day, I was like, bro, when you get locked up, bro, all you need is a woman to show you a little sign that she like you. You're going to fall in love. What? All the top.

That's my bitch. All she was write through a letter. That's my bitch. You go crazy. That's me. That's baby. You want to join. You call, listen, listen.

You've been talking to him. Because, listen, you got the pet pal game. So you might meet a chick. You're talking to her. Listen, I didn't see you talking to her for a week and a half. You call, this and after you, anything cool, baby? You do the kid's homework? Like, you don't even know the kid.

You're running the house for the joy. Man, you just brought up a child trauma. My mama was fucking with a nigga in jail, man. That's fucked up. I mean, I used to call. What's up, little man? How y'all live? Why the fuck is this, man?

You don't even know you. Hey, your mom is still at work, man. I'm like, man. I swear to God. Man, the nigger was sending letters, man, I'd take the letters and hide them and shit. The letters this thick. The letters is 15 pages. The long, the long john.

The yellow paper letters, man. But why niggas don't keep that same, like, love intentions when they get out? Because you come outside, man, you see all this ass out here, man. Especially right now. See, oh, it's over, though. Chicks don't do bitch no more. That shit over with it. You go to jail, man.

You get it, John. You're lucky to the motherfucker. You get a chick this. Man, you're lucky. I tell all the young bloods. Listen, man, man, don't go to jail. That lieutenant you got baby lady gonna put the pinnature. He gonna beat into the mattress.

Be it into the mattress. Go to jail, Neff. Man, that's the comedic aspect of what you do and just how cool you are. And not taking yourself so serious to be able to add that as an element into what you and Gil do. Like, both of y'all niggas is fucking crazy. Like, why, what makes you, y'all,

both of y'all are the real guys from the streets, both of y'all really got them stories. But what makes y'all okay, especially with the way y'all clown each other, all that shit. That's a big element of what makes people gravitate to y'all. What made y'all recognize the importance of that? Because we realized, just like y'all probably realize, that all the shit that we take serious coming from the ghetto, it's just funny. All this tough shit, all this cool shit, that shit

goofy to me. I'd be like, so I was just laughing and I make jokes of it, even if we make jokes to each other. And one thing about our community, black folks, I grew up listening to Richard Pride, I listened. I'd still be listening to Richard just for no reason. I listen to Richard Paul Moody Ray Fox My uncle had all the albums One thing about our community If you can make them laugh

You can make them listen And we got to do that We always got to give them Candy Covered Medicine That's the only way you're going to take That's the only way we're going to teach our people They can't just be You can't be serious on the motherfucker all day

So that's important with us But it's also important to joke at all the shit That people take so serious It'd be like It ain't that deep You're all goofies And we're going to joke at We're going to joke off each other doing it,

but it's still like making a joke of the whole idea of all this serious, this real shit, and all this goofy shit. It just don't make no sense. Well, now that you've been out eight years, you're going to accomplish more than niggas who have been out their entire life. What?

Fucking lazy, fuck us. What's in it for a while? Because now you, like you said, it's no living. Like, what do you see? What do you see? You know, back in the day, I used to be an exotic dancer. Man, go on with this bullshit, man.

Y'all don't need me. Like, see what I'm saying? Get the book, man, best of you see what I'm saying? I'm just saying. I'm just starting doing parties again. Like, you know, they'd be getting what. You heard what the fuck going on? He's going to start doing parties.

Why are you looking at me? Like, I know. What the fuck? You know, I'm just, you know. See, that's an institution line. That's the institution. No, no, I'm talking. I was stripping on the streets.

That's how you got locked up. You were stripping first. He said, because we could make some fast money. So he said, you got a come up with a name. So I came over the name. I'll go out there. You're gonna cut you out for this. Yeah, I mean, they called them baby shrimp. They call me TTD. Ah. So, um, I go out there, ladies to gentlemen.

You know what I'm just saying? Like, it was wild, man. I was dancing. It was, but I'd think about that sometime like that. I might go back, get a residency of Vegas and just start stripping. You still on parole, man. Don't do that. No, I could do that. That's indecent exposure. I can flash heat long as it ain't real heat, so it's cool. Oh, man. Your man, wow, shit, man. Yeah, man. Hey, man, you're talking about getting back in the stripping, we got to put some clothes on you, man.

Up then. We got some cool 85 stuff. You know what's crazy? My motherfucker cut the stove my whole bag out of my car, man. You go to watch the clean the car for me. He's still the whole bag. All the whole shit, y'all gave me at the joining Philly. Man, we'll make sure you got all that. See, he got lead. Tell them where they can go get the book, man. You get the book, anywhere books to soul is on the bestseller list. So if you want Amazon is going to be on the bestseller list. If you want Barnes & Noble bestseller list

where Apple bass everywhere, you know what I mean? It's a bestseller. But, you know, I I appreciate y'all for having. I appreciate everything y'all do for the culture. Oh, no, we're all right, we ain't doing that. Man, you're one of the most motivational niggins that we know, bro, you gotta, you gotta bless the audience with some kind of, you gotta leave them with at least $150 worth a game. I know you might not give him the whole million, though.

Hold up, first of all, you ain't gonna say shit? Oh, man, I said something earlier. Okay. That's gone, can't look like your head sweating. Oh, man, like a fresh pencil bully, man. This niggas. This niggum, man. Don't let him get you.

Why? He got hot all night. He's what that thing is doing, man. That nigga's vicious. He's, you know, I always believe that a lot of people don't materialize they dream because they biggest haters is them. The biggest haters you ever going to, you ever going to run up to in your life is you because some of y'all out here, y'all thought of the idea of whatever you want to do is dream or business. this idea, whatever. Y'all think of that idea, that y'all think of five ideas not

to move out on that idea that you can really do. It don't got nothing to do with nobody else. You know what motherfuckers? Like, oh, they hating on me? No, no, you're the fuck out of it. You're hating on yourself because every time you look in the mirror, you're not comfortable with yourself. You don't believe in yourself. You don't have confidence in yourself. And a lot of people always say, you've got to be a kind man. I always say, you got to be a kind man.

The word kind man comes from confidence, man. A confidence man is somebody that's going to come to you, and even if they run into kind of you, they're going to make you believe that they're doing something right, even when they're doing something wrong. So you've got to become a comment of your life, of your dreams, of everything you want to do for yourself. And it can be the simplest things of, I want to go here, I want to move here. You've got to be willing to take the leap of faith because, like, I look at it like this. I'm 45.

It's a great chance that probably 40% of my life is gone. 50% of my life is gone. 90% of my life, but I'm going to show you something very important. So every day I want you to check this. out. I get up, and this is why I go so fucking hard because I operate like, I don't know when I'm going to get up out of here. So I look at World Meeters every day. I get up. Thank God. You're my man. Yeah, you hook me up again. I ain't going to hold you up because you got to take care of the babies, the elderly, the mentally ill, so I'm going to keep it moving. I ain't going to get you. I ain't going to beat you in your head. I look at World Meeters out of that. All right, World Meeters is a website where show real time, real live population.

How many people on the planet? You see this number? Well, let me show you. Turn it this way so I can blow it up. So right here, as you can see, it's a number. You see that number running? That's how many people is in the world. 8.1 billion, right? It's running in real time.

This is how many people was born this year, births, 94 million. That's how many births today. This how many people died this year, 44 million. This is how many people died today. Look, and it's dying in real time. Look at the numbers. So when you look at this, I'll look at that and I say, oh, made it again. I'm going to go out here and I'm going to let this shit out to the max.

Because I don't know when I'm going to be another number. I don't know when I'm going to be one of them numbers. And the only number that I could be is that number. And the first number. The number is the population. But I'm going to drop off of that number to be a part of this number. And it's over. Lights out.

There's nothing you can do that. Stop waiting to die to live your dreams. What the fuck? What you're going to do it when you did? Like everybody is afraid It didn't stop using social media As a measure of what you're doing And what you're not doing

Because as you know, we know 90% of these motherfuckers is capping They manufacture this life that they want you to live They want you to believe that they live in It's so perfect And you will have a real life And you would take your real life And put it up against this manufactured relationship

This manufacturer success This shit be like a production company They're having like You're looking at their relationship Oh they're so a couple of guys couple goes, they hate each other. He'd be beating her ass in real life. She's really a drunk.

She's a prostitute, too, on the side. They don't like each other. But you're looking like, oh my God, relationship goes. I won't that. It's fucked up. So my main thing is go out there and live, stop hating on yourself, and we only gonna do the game of life one time. Well, folks, there you have.

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