The 85 South Show with Karlous Miller, DC Young Fly and Chico Bean - WYCLEF JEAN in the Trap! | 85 South Show Podcast

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

The legendary Wyclef Jean is in the trap with Chico, Karlous and DC. Listen as Wyclef gives some great history on Haiti and he breaks down how he made beats for The Fugees. He talks about that Lauryn Hill diss song. Plus, he explains what he learned about politics while running for president of Haiti.   || 85 SOUTH App: www.channeleightyfive.com || Twitter/IG: @85SouthShow || Our Website: www.85southshow.com || Custom Merch: www.85apparelco.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of family secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, VoCab. That was my Fuji's intro. I was telling him how that shit came about. So that was the only song I got to produce on that first album, Vocab. That's crazy.

That second one, though. Which I did with that second one. It's cool. Yes. Yeah, that's the one I produced that one. You produced the whole album? Yeah, me, my cousin, Jerry Wonder. Okay.

Yeah, but that's the beats I was cooking up in the basement. Okay. Right? The only beat we didn't do was Fugila. Salam did that, and that beat was for Fat Joe. For real? Yeah. You got both?

Yeah. That beat was for Fat Joe. When you hear, you know what I mean? Like, I just saw something yesterday where the dude who produced New York shit for a bus for rhyme. That was a beat that he tried to give to EP and M. in the 80s. They didn't take it. And 18 years later, he gave it to Buster Rhymes

and then turned it to a hit. Yeah. So it's crazy. You could sit on shit, like, for years. I remember, fucking Quincy Jones was telling me Austin Power. So they bought him to score the shit. Man, he said, anything he kept doing,

he's like, your Clef, there was like, no, no, no, no, no. Because he was telling me the power of just constantly keeping your shit. And if someone don't get it, they'll get it later. My nigger, this is like years later. He said, Clef, after these niggers told me that shit 70 times, it clicked that I had one sample that of some horn shit I sampled from the 70s. He went and pulled it.

And it was like, that's what we want. And that was it. I was going to actually this shit too. You did a lot of movie soundtracks too. That's my, yeah, that's the power, though. Yeah, life, all that. Yeah, life. Rwanda.

Yeah. I did a lot of songs, yeah. Yeah. But that's how I thought I was going to make money, though. I never thought. Scoring movies? Scoring film. That's what I wanted to be a composer.

My baby to Alabama this morning, so I'm putting like I had to go to the white man around. It's just the control. That shit hard. Can I say you one of the greatest, man? You know, every battle I see you watching. I see you like, you remind me and me when I was in the capitolium. I was telling them one of my greatest da Vinci codes is I learned how to battle rap at a young age as a defense mechanism in the hood.

Right? Coming from Haiti, like I had no choice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's very, very... It's very entertaining, but it's smart. I understand. I always stand it.

I love it. We used to be number 10. But now we permanent won and the battle lost my finger. Mike became my arm. I need this. Yeah, man, Clef got that music, man, that happy shit. Change the old vibe. All the way.

And I know that that had to be, had to be, yeah, that had to be hard to do, you know, to have that freedom to just be like, man, I'm gonna do something that ain't nobody else doing. That's always difficult. I'm assured that it had to be difficult when you coming with a sound and everybody like, what the fuck is this? Well, you see the thing without perception coming from Haiti, like I was saying, my whole life was like slumdog millionaire, city of gods. So when I came to America, by the time I got to the projects, I was like, we made it.

I heard the women singing some crazy shit. And then I took the congas and just started playing the shit. And I started making melodies. and um and we was like in this village like mad poor nothing like crazy but i used to take in the stray dogs so all the dogs used to be like my family you know what i'm saying to you and then like DMX and shit right right right you know what I'm saying to you and then i used to fucking be writing songs and sing shit for my dogs like straight dogs yeah like you know what I'm wait a minute wait a minute wait you know what I'm sorry to you think you're gonna have

so you bring the stray dogs and they would be your audience yeah Man, my nigger. Because I'm six. Look, I don't have no Walt Disney. I don't have no television. I don't have so, nigger, we had the stray dogs in a cemetery. And the cemetery to me was a playpen. You feel me? Because when the shit would do thunder and lightning and shit, that's when we would go play the high-go-seek shit. At the cemetery. Yeah, you feel me? Right, right, right. It was like that. Let me ask you this. You got to America, right? Whole different, like, what was the shit that blew your mind? Okay, before you answer that, which is going to be on top of the question that I want.

Because it picked back off what you said. From the Caribbean, when you see that there's an extended life, when people say America is the land opportunity. Can you paint that picture so people who don't understand by living here, you are already. winning. Yeah, my nigger, so to your point I was telling them, I ain't know what lights were. Right. Lights to me was a lamp.

I ain't know what a corset was. Indoor plummet. Nigel, we ain't had napkins. Like, you want to take the shit, nigga, you got to go to the ravine. Like, the ravine is like you going to the fucking like the woods in the back, right? And then you go to the woods, my nigga. And then it's

one big hole. You ever seen fucking slump dog millionaire. That's the ravine. That's where everybody got to take shit at. Damn. You feel what I'm saying? Hey. Yeah, this is where I'm from, my nigga.

I didn't get here until I was 10. This was my reality. Right. Then you go to school, you got to walk like for miles, right? Right. But then we had a donkey. So we would trade off on who would take the donkey. Who would take the donkey?

Yeah, my nigga. So by the time, okay, peak this. I've never seen a white person ever in my life. never seen a car, never seen a plane. I ain't know what that shit was, right? So you got to think about this. I'm going to show you the reality. Niggas is like six.

He mic'd up? Okay, this shit getting deep, nigga. We need everything. Yeah, y'all sit y'all laid down, man. All they're walking around, shit. Come on, hurry up. This shit getting good. So, niggas, like, six now.

People, to your point. Right? So we would eat. every like four days that's when we get food every four days don't do me like that man we get food like four days

but now we drink water you understand because people don't understand substance of water it's important when they say Jesus fast 40 days and 40 nights they mention that about water

right so I got to tell you this shit because it's going to sound crazy but this is our reality right So, hurry up, man. Hey, you see, you listen to the damn show. Do whatever you want, baby.

That's perfect, man. You're good. You got the right shirt on, though, I'll tell you that. The black president, fellow Couti. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the nigga right now. You don't know it. Oh, yeah, he on.

That's crazy. Yeah. So it's so crazy because when I was with, you know, we started the Fuji tour to be continued this year. and me and Lauren was talking and she was like nigger

when you used to tell me this shit I used to think like you was exaggerating on some three trillion shit so Google came out and I would Google dirt pies because I told her like we used to eat dirt from the floor

and and then she was like not till Google came out and I googled this shit years later and was like this nigger was telling the truth because she couldn't fatt them a nigger picking up dirt from the floor

and eating it. So people were really eating that. Was it a specific kind of dirt? Okay, so it's funny. They got a red dirt. It's like a red dirt. Again. Mississippi, we do that.

Okay, it's nutrition, but you're not thinking of that. You get what I'm saying? Because God made everything. But just here's my reality, my nigger. So when the plane is coming, from where we are, we used to have the slingshots. You see what I'm saying to you? So the minute we were,

hear the plane, the shit is real hot. So to us, at six years old, what you think the shit is? Some bird, bird, yeah. So I'd be like, my lo yavini. Translation, the birds come in, assume your position, my niggas is butt naked. Birds coming, niggers is butt naked like this. On the ground, trying to hit the plate. On the ground, you're assuming positions with your slings Who ever get the best, some Sakazulu shit. So, nigger, that was the reality. So when you tell me first, so when you tell me about America, right? Naga, this shit is sweet.

By the time we got here, so now, just before we got to America, we used to hear the stories. Right? Like, you know, the land of the free Atlanta opportunities. So white man pulls up in a jeep. Never seen a white man before. And he get out of, he get out of his Jeep. And we're in the village with my grandma. So I hold my grandma in.

Because a nigger looked like an alien. I ain't never seen a white man. And I said, Grandma, who is? She goes, that's Jesus Christ. In prayer. She goes, she goes, that's Jesus Christ. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. So now, okay, my nigga, look, no cap.

Go to these Caribbean people homes. Everybody got a picture of a white Jesus with blue eyes. He's a bullshit. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. So now, she goes, that's Jesus Christ. So Jesus takes the rice, gives the village, and then he's leaving. So now years later, my parents come and get us from Haiti at 10.

Shit work out for them. And then they put us on a plane. Shit looked like a UFO. He never seen a plane. So me and my brother sit next to each other, and my brother freaks out. I was like, Sam, what's the wrong? And we look up and we see more white people now.

Right. So he's freaking out and we mad, confused because they all wearing the same uniforms. 300 Jesus Christ. Right? So then my brother, and I said, calm down.

Right. These are Jesus cousins. Right. We're good. Because in my mind, these are just Jesus cousins. Right. Because they look like Jesus.

Right. And they all rock it. Later, we found out there were the studious and all that at the same uniform. That's that reality. Now the fucking plane is landed. And in New York, we just see a bunch of lights.

So per the tale that was told in the village, city of diamonds. So we landed in the city of diamonds, my nigga. So we get to the city of diamonds. And now my uncle pick us up in a big-ass station wagon, L-T-D, old fucking station wagon. I look at my brother, and we both just start celebrating. because we rich our father's Donald Trump in our head

because now we're pulling up to these brick buildings and those shit's look so we don't know they're projects to us like yo beautiful beautiful so that's always been

my reality so that's what I was saying like no man I wouldn't even know if a man is saying don't do a Pepsi commercial I wouldn't even know if he tell me I'm selling out

I wouldn't even know what that mean right because I came literally from the yeah Because my reality is to make sure that my family's taken care of. Right. That's the first reality. So that's how sort of like we came up.

So now we coming up like this. So, you know, you got us and then you got the Haitian Jacks, you know, all that. Same family, though. Haiti's like Sicily. Right. So I'm from the same place. And my dad took me and he bought me to Jersey. Because he was like, yo, I don't want you a monks.

And then he bought us to the jersey. But later, we all united back in life. But it all started with. With my dad taking me, he was like, yo, I'm bringing you to Jersey. I mean, to Jersey, he couldn't even read English, but nigger was a farmer and a fisherman. Right. I see my dad make corn in the project. Like, that was another, like, defensive mechanism.

Like, niggas won't fuck with my dad. He was like the OG, like, niggas are top. So one day he's a mechanic to, that's where my car game come in. And he's driving a car to bring to Jersey that he just fixed. Right. And then he can't read English, but he looked and it said, Goddain Stade Packway. So he come back and said,

we go to the Garden City. We go to Jersey. So in his brain, he's thinking like, it's the farm city. The garden, like, you know what I'm saying to? Naga, we get straight to Newark, where Redmond is from. Brick City, we get straight to the brick.

But this is all our reality. And in a brick, 11-0.E South Orange Avenue, a burnt-down funeral home right in the hood. my dad has a vision in his head and says God told him that's where the church

going to be at so we all think he's crazy so my dad buys this funeral home and now we live inside of a funeral home my nigger 1108 South Charms Avenue

we live inside of a burnt funeral home right and now we got to live all the way downstairs And the coffins and everything out, right? Because he got a vision to rebuild it, right? But peep it, we didn't see his vision, right? His vision wasn't even that.

It was a fucking parking lot. Right? So nigger end up having the biggest parking lot. And if you want parking, you got to rent. You get what I'm saying? So that's how nigger played chess. So when did you realize, like coming from Haiti, getting to America, when did you realize

that y'all really didn't move up? Y'all just moved around. Like, when did you realize y'all was still impoverished just in a different setting? I would say the first thing I realized was prejudice. Not with white people, with black people. Because

where I came from, I thought we all was the same on some Shaka Zulu shit. You feel what I'm saying? So I would go to the block and I'd be like, I know my borders. I do my boy, that's. You're a goof-a-ass dog. Fuck is wrong with this niggins. Sniggin's speaking in cursive, big.

Yo, the gumble sack. And then I was like, yo, why they treat me? Like, I thought we was fun. You know what I'm just? I love my brother. Scared the shit at him.

Niggas just like, yo, man, go back to Jamaica, bro. And I was like, I'm not Jamaican. Right. That's all they do. It was like, all, nigga. Everybody got an accent, you're Jamaican. So it was sort of like,

you know, understanding that. And then one day my mama gave me food stamps And was like, go to the store With that I don't know, it looked like money to me Monopoly money So I'm in the line You know what I'm saying to you

And then I can't hear all the other kids You know what I'm saying behind me They're like Food stamp, food, damn mama, I'm well for food You know what I mean? And you don't know what that mean, my nigga Because it don't matter to me Where I come from

My mama sent me to the store So now all of these realities just slowly start to make sense. You know what I mean? My dad bring us in Brooklyn, because we always like Jersey, Brooklyn back and forth. There was a department store called Jacks in Brooklyn. And so my dad bought us to Jacks. We came from Haiti. He was like, yo, go inside and take as many sneakers as you want, you.

Right. So we go to Jacks, my nigger. And I'm like, oh shit, $100 in 99, and my pop's at $200 for a pair of sneakers? And he told us, go, my nigger, I grabbed every color green, yellow, you feel on me, on top of the top? Yeah. But, you know what I'm saying? Then I get back home, proud of myself. Notting up, my yellow joint, boom, boom, boom.

And then I get in the school, and I hear these kids start this here. Jeepers To make your feet feel fine Jeepers Exactly right Yeah And then see I can't even make this shit up

I'm just telling you see And he's backing it up Because we're this our first time talking But it's all these stories So he Exactly exactly what he was doing So you see the cross culture So niggas was like

Yo so what was $200 in my head Was a dollar 99 cents But none of that matter to me You see what I'm showing? you, I'm just showing you all of this was a reality and that became the whole thing. So

I would have talked shit. I was naked last week. Right. Exactly. The time I went from naked. Shooter and trying to kill with a slingshot. You ain't never ate dirt. You kidding. You're mad. You tell you ate your Asian part. Yeah, me make yourself at home.

You're butt-necked. Cookie don't? What is the same? This is how we do it in my house. You know, man. Bunny-ass name. Yo, that, that was the reality. And it goes on and on and on and on. Right.

So it's like what this is, and I'll show you something. Shug Knight comes out. Right. And the whole industry is terrorized. Yeah. Ask me one time you ever seen the Fugis with a bodyguard. Never. Never.

Like we are our own clique. We are our own movement. right because at the end of the day where I come from hey a man is a man like you know I'm saying to you and your your mom you God forbid you get jumped and then you come back in the house and you're talking about you just got junk your parents going to be like go back outside and get what they took from you right automatically so they instilled that 1804 revolution zone mentality so all of that at a very young age so for us what was more important was how do we code the music in a way for the world to get it that's why we was a

different kind of author because i was like think we already know we got guns in the hood we got drugs we know that we from that so the whole fuji mythology was like they form a right was like how do we write for the world to look at us in a different way to know like we scientists we intellectuals, like we Monsamousas, like we are conscious that even though you put us in this little environment, there's a whole, everybody going to rock. So that's why the lingo

was always different than just the direct. And y'all put a lot of that in the music because a lot of people don't know the Haitian history and how much they've been influential. I'm talking about the first revolution is the first people to stand up to hypocrisy and slavery and

I mean, you look at Haiti and they have been instrumental and so much so I can imagine y'all coming over here and seeing what we think is the ghetto and y'all like me, shit. This ain't, this ain't nothing.

I was naked. You're glad. I was naked like you with a swing shot. Yeah, exactly. Eating dirt. Hell now. So why is it Haitians and the Dominican Republic?

Why is it some type of beef when y'all on the same island? Y'all literally neighbors. Yeah, like Mexico. and California. Before it was California, it was all Mexico, correct? Tokyo talk now. Right? Geographically. So, and then if we just talk about the Caribbean as a whole, that's North America. It's North America. Most people don't know that. Now, if we talk about, to your point, Haiti and the Dominican Republic, that's Española. So one thing. Now let's go step deeper.

Keep talking. Haitians got the independence in 1804, and who helped the Dominica? Americans get their independence. Haitians. But again, conquer and divide. It's always, they do it here. It's about the idea of conquer and dividing the politics, the rhetoric, the whatever you instill in a youth. As a child, they're going to grow up into it. Now I'm going to tell you something that people don't even know.

My uncle, his name is Raymond Joseph. He was born in the Dominican Republic. But in my point, he's just born in Española. So the point is the love has to start with when the kid is small and he's growing up, that you don't do that. It's like you can have beef with, like, Cuban could have beef with a Puerto Rican, right? Or they could be like, you know, they can have beef with a Mexican. It's almost like they put this rhetoric within us. It's just that the instill of the prejudice that when you grow up with.

So, because their ideas, like, imagine if the Dominican Republic and Haiti can just unify and be one thing, right? And then imagine if they take that same unification to Jamaica, take it all around, right? Yeah, so you got to think, but that rhetoric, my man, it starts off with the politicians. It start off with a nigger who's like, this is my land and this is my turf. And he get a bunch of niggas and say, okay, we're going to fight these niggas over this. So now what happens, right? So through bad policy, Haiti gets failed, right? And I hope these Haitian leaders watching this shit, too.

Galateman is Okie Doak Fuck Boys. So these Okie Doak Fuck Boys, what they do two at times, they sell their own Haitians to the Dominican Republic. This is true. So at the end of the day, where does it start? It got to start with us. Like, you know what I'm saying? You got to hold these leaders accountable. You know what I'm saying?

So to your point, we watch it here, too, conquer and divide. Think about this. I get my independence at 1804, and you in America, they're hanging y'all. They're burning y'all. You're watching him get hung and you're shaking. They're hanging him. You're watching. You know you next.

You're shaking. but what happens if you got to me I'm in Haiti they won't let me have a conversation with you because I'll just be like yo man I'll be like you know what we just did to these dudes we just shook the whole Napoleon and boom

and then that information go with you then you would have more Nat Turner's they don't want that so again information is power I always say that you know what I'm saying to you but so then I push I even pushed forward now and try to

become president of Haiti. I wish. That's what happened. Hey, hey, Jay-O-N. It's about that time. I tried to be president. That's going to be president. That's going to happen. I was president. I'll get elected on Friday. Assassinated on Saturday. Shout out to Day Chappelle. That's the first time I did that. That was pretty high.

It was fire. Don't worry about it. You don't work with all the legends, man. But I got to ask you this one. You work with Dylon. Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon. You work with all the ghosts, man. High fire. Yeah, and then you already know, that's my, you can either make the school.

They always ask me my top rob, and I'm like, why y'all are you even bothered to do that? You already know it's Dylon, Dylon, Dylon, Dylon. Hey, we're welcome back to the 85 South Show. Yeah. Yeah, man, we're doing our big food today, man. We got none other than. man, the super talented. We got to get him a good.

Get him a good. The super dope. The super instrumental. Part of one of the hardest rap groups and rap history, man. Hey, man, multi-cultural kid. Make music all across the boy, whether it be for the hood, whether it be for South America, whether it be for Haiti, he didn't ran for president. I got one of the highest, grossest selling albums of all times, man.

none other than the legendary Haitian Mr. Wycliffe Mr. Whiteclam, John Mr. Whiteclam, Mr. Whitecliff. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Let's go.

I always wanted to ask you about this, man. You were in a legendary hood movie Shottis, man. They had you playing against them in there. Now, you Haitian to the bones. I was playing Richie M's, man. A whole lot of Jamaicans in that movie. You know, you know, if, you know, it was a white man, a black man, and the Chinese man, you know? You know, and it was easy to say that joke and as Richie Efts and just murk dangles without you see it coming.

Right. You know what I'm saying? All I got to do is that was not hard for me. Right. Because coming from Haiti, grew up in Brooklyn first, and at the time, every Haitian wanted to be Jamaican, you know what I'm saying? That's what I was the reality. What was the feedback for your- They want to be Jamaican.

This is before you ever. Every Haitian that's watching this at my age, know that at that time you had to have a Jamaican accent. Why? Because the Jamaicans was powerful. Even my man. Even my man watching this right now in the D.R. Like, understands this.

Like, at the end of the day, because them Haitians was no joke. Right? Right. So it was so crazy because in times in Brooklyn, the neighbor would be like, yo, I blow a cloud Jamaican man,

I do it, you know. You see, the man, I'm gonna pull up and then trust me, man. You see? Let me just talk like that. I blow it to talk here and I do it. Talk with a Jamaican answer. Why I play a chameleon, man?

So, yo, when, when, when, uh, when the idea of doing shatters and what I loved about that flit, though, shout out to set. This is one of my favorite thing about shatters. So I'm about to fuck you off for a minute. So I actually started off me, Ms. Hill, aka L. Boogie. We was in an off-Broadway play.

Right. This is like 30 years ago. It was called Club 12. And then, of course, you see Ms. Hill winning. She was doing Sister Act and still doing her music, right? So, and she was saying this the other day when we was on. on tour and in prize, we, I thought like I was going to be an actor at one time too, right? Because you just, so literally there's an article that said we did Hamilton 30 years ago.

Me, Ms. Hill, MC Light, before Hamilton was Hamilton. So now, the thing about acting, which we loved about shatters, everything you saw was improv. A lot, you know what I mean? You have a script, but the script is all improv. So when the director come, there you go, all. right boy you're gonna be in a yellow Lamborghini yeah and you already know much we want you to murder the boy but you can't let the audience know that you're murdering roll a black clock camera you know what I'm saying no there was a white man the black and then so the idea of the improv and the feeding off each other is one

things like actors and actresses thrive off you know still till today these improv classes and that natural vibes. So for me, shatters have a lot of that. You know what I'm saying? That's what's amazing about it. That's what I was asking. Like, what was the, like, from the Haitians, what was the feedback when they, they, were they proud of the representation that you put out there? Yeah, I mean, Richie F's is, is in more places, more famous than Wyclef. You know that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Have you gone to London walking through a thing again? Why, Richie Fass? No, that's why I'm on here, Richie Fass. That's like one of those things that you can't shake. The Shatters movie, whether if it's the child is 15 or 50, like somehow that movie got across

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Like, were you already famous or did you get to see that pride to you becoming a superstar? So, it's a deep question. So you had two sets of brewing at the time. So we was in Brooklyn, Jersey, the refugees. And the thing is now, if you look back at the refugees, John Forte, who got the first pardon. Now, hold on, I've got to ask you this. I had no hug and idea who John Forte was. He just showed up on the White Clef song,

but we was rocking with your shit so hard. We just like, oh, it Whitecliffe button. Yeah. Like today, like say somebody you feel has talent, you're going to put them on a feature. You know what I mean? So John was those, John was always in the studio. He was part of doing the beats.

He was part of the, John was part of the brain trust or the Hoogis. So, and automatically, definitely John had the vibe. So I was saying, like, when we look at it, John historically was one of the first rappers that got a pardon from a president for his charge. It was George Bush, right? So now, I bring you there to show you, like, when we say, like, the refugees, it was literally taking a negative and making a positive out of it, right, without having the top move. Right. So we was there. Then you had the Zopal that was in Miami, right?

So let me tell you the story, the real story. Give me a lighter. Right? So don't want to get a lighter. So, I remember we was doing a show with Buzhou Bantam in Miami. Salute to the General. We was doing the show, and I'm downstairs. And keep in mind, we're bubbling, but we're still not.

And then my man, like, yo, my man Shawman said, yo, there's these dudes upstairs, you know, like, they're not going to get off the You know, they're on by the stage because my role manager has to get them. I say, yo, it's not going to get off, man. To you, you know, they're just like they got to see you. So I go and we kids. And the minute I see Macazo, Maco looks like my brother. So literally, see, the thing about Haiti is tribes.

Right. So me and Mac just start to hug each other. And it's just an energy with kids. Right. the idea of the refugees and the idea of like zo pound it was a movement of struggle and like we're gonna show like the world that we're on top and we could do better so I was the first dude no cap that put a festival together in Miami this is long before ultra and all these festivals I'm the first one the carnival the carnival the carnival was What's the name of the festival? Alia, you could Google it, Timberland, Usher. That's the first time, if Usher's watching this, he knows,

that's the first time people thought Usher was Haitian. That's where the room started. It started on my festival. Because I had Usher say Sac Passet, and every time we see each other, he'd be like, yo, you know it's because you have me saying, endless, I keep going and going and going. And I remember being in the audience with Maca Zolt,

when we both looking at each other. And he was like, yo, man, this is the vision, man. Like, we're going to take this music thing to the next level. So he's a big inspiration because it was like brother talking a brother. So we like in the middle of this festival and we're talking. So I'm going to show you how deep it is. So when you watch a video I have, which is called MVP compa, MVP compa, you spoke about the Creole music that I do too.

So in the intro of that video, Now if y'all go back and watch it, the minute the songs start, that's me and Makazzo in the very intro. And it's in Creole. So again, we was celebrating the idea of life, the idea of music, red eyes, all these guys.

It was an idea of positivity. This was the start of everything. This is what it was going to be. So the embracement was like this because we all was reppping the flag. and it was sort of like it's like one set meeting another set

but part of the same set you know what I'm saying to you? It's a big same flag because we're all up on the one. Yeah, so I say Freemakazzo. You mean that. I mean Freemakazzo. I got to ask you this.

What did you learn when you ran for president? Like, because this is real. This is top office over there. What was some of the lessons that you learned or some of the things that you didn't know about government that you came in country?

Well, I remember calling, like, my closest friends and I was like, yo, I'm going to run to be present in the Haiti. And all I heard was, niggum, you're crazy click, right? Okay, nigga, I'll be at the funeral, click.

Right? Nick, I'll be at the funeral, click, right? Blackness? My blood? Congratulations. You know, you think I got snoop dog and whitecliff. Barack, you name. Nigger, oh, I can't wait and tell my son,

but you know your dad smoked Snoop Dogg and White Clem, right? Man, there's some good shit. I feel good. I feel good. Salasi. Yeah. So, here we go. On the real talk, right?

When I ran for president. Yeah, we look like a bullet. They'll do your dirt on 85. Yeah. Got you. When I ran for president, hit a real talk. Right. So we've seen Kanye run.

Did. Jordan. Trump, I go way back, like, saying, like, with Trump, I'm just showing you, like, I remember one of my early shows that I did, like, was for Donald Trump. This is before he was president. And I have, like, a picture. I'm just showing you this is, like, at a time when I was running, right? So I was on the apprentice.

I'm just giving you a different thing. The idea of a celebrity saying like, yo, I'm going to run for office of a country. They're like, yo, what you want? Right. What you want? Right. So there was like, yo, Clef stole money from his country. Right?

They took your whole people. They started doing what, you know, now you see it in politics. It's called a smear campaign. Right. So they start this smear campaign. And then with the smear campaign, you go from being. This portion of the show is sponsored by Blue Magic Hat Grease and Rattail Cones. You had chicken, huh?

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So we pick back up? Yeah. So on real talk, I ran for president, and y'all saw how they came at me. Now we know what that's called. It's called a smearing campaign. That's how they try to get you. What made me run and what made me think I could be president is the most important thing. So let's get into it.

There's what you see on camera. what you see behind the camera. I'm seeing. So before I ran in 2005, when George Bush gave the order for Colin Powell, RP to the general, had to go to Haiti

and literally kidnapped the president at the time, Aristin, and take them out the country. Right? It's 2005. I remember watching... I was in Paris.

I remember, and this was like Pass those dates, and I remember I'm watching TV. And the kid comes on the TV in Paris, and he says, the only person that could make us put our guns down is why Clef Young. Now, why he say that? Because even as a Fuji, the score, the Grammys put up my flag, even when I'm doing music for Sony, I'm still doing music. in Creole, and I'm sending it back to Haiti, the same way Biggie would do music, and Brooklyn

feels like that Biggie is a Bible. So I would do music like that. I don't know. So there was always that connection with them. So, and that kid, his name is Haitian Tupac. Now, let me show you how the gangs was working in Haiti. Yeah, a hell of a nigga, right? Yeah. It's a street name for you, yeah. Yeah, you hear me? And then I need everybody after this to go watch the ghost of Cite Soleil, it get deeper. All of the kids that was in the Cite Soleil at the time was inspired by hip-hop.

So they gave themselves hip-hop names. So go watch the doc. You're going to see 50 cents. Like he calls himself 50 cents. He's a Haitian. And it goes on and on. So we got a chance to do a doc. You'll see it on these kids.

So I want you to get deep into the gang culture down there just to understand where it comes from so just to say that touched me when he said that and i said you know i'm done with music like what other record can i possibly break my people need me slumdog millionaire i came from that village and i'm gonna go back and put my entire heart into that now what didn't y'all see behind the cameras me in haiti with all the gangs at the time saying look I'm gonna put this if y'all see any of these trucks coming and they have a

year late Haiti sticker don't rob them right they're here to work for us they're here to work for you right I was inside of these communities with like women giving money out and having them start small businesses

I was the one that was getting on the plane going from Haiti to Washington D.C. to negotiate what the gangs wanted with the U.N. at the time. This is all me. This is before I ran for president.

I was the one that went to Congress and was like, yo, dog, like at the end of the day, I need you all to pass this bill so that the textile can be on point and we could bring more job creations. This is me.

This is not on camera. This is what's happening in real time. So when I ran, I knew I could do it because I felt like I was I was the face of the country. Let me put you up on this last game. Two hundred and,

250,000 people under the rubble, right? What made me think I could do it? And where am I going to get the money? Because Haiti is tied to the World Bank and the IMF. You'll clap, nigga. Where are you going to get that money from? Well, I'm going to get that money from the environmental fund. And so what's that?

Carbon credit. Literally through carbon credit, I could have built my whole country over. you know what I'm saying to you and that literally probably go over some people's head just Google carving credit That's what I was just about to ask you about

Go back to the Haiti being tied to the World Bank and the IML That's right So what that mean like Haiti being It's so funny they call me the lawyer The Hook I got I break it down both ways And my brother is the real lawyer though So what that mean?

Real simple All right So Here you go This a house Go ahead man I'm a good give you this house you can go ahead and live in it um but you're making absolutely no money at all

go ahead you can live in it but you're going to pay me a hundred dollars a month literally for the rest of your life it's almost like i i set you in a structure to fail right from the gate because where you're going to get that money so if you really want to help haiti the first thing i would say clear Haiti's debt completely from the friends French, right? From the clear the debt. World Bank, everybody, you clear the debt. Because if you want to really help me, you got to start from scratch. But why wouldn't you do that? You wouldn't do that because you'd be like, hold up. If I clear Haiti debt, then I got to clear this person's debt and that person's debt. So by design. Feel me? That's how the shit's set up. So again, I am politically savvy, my nigga. So now I'm fighting against a system that I can't see. You feel what I'm saying to you? So I got a few mentors at the time. One is Harry Belafonte. Right.

So I got to reach out. And I go to Harry and I'm like, yo, he says, look, you're going to be fighting the invisible hand. When he said, if your hands is clean, you're going to come off balance and you're going to be able to help your people. So for me, past that experience, what it is is they took me out the race. illegally. Did I have power at the time to push a button and Farrakhan and shit up? Like when Farrakhan put a million men out there, did I, yeah, I could have did that. But I felt like I didn't want blood in my hands. So I told the youth, he who fights and walk away live to fight another day. So it's like at the end of the day, what did I learn? I said, man, I need good government

Because if I'm invested money in Jamaica, I'm investing in Africa, and I'm investing in Antigua and in different places, why can't I built my own Punta Conner in my own country? I got enough connections and I have enough ways. I'm smart. I know how to raise money. I do it in other countries. So for me, the lesson that I learned is we need better governance to move forward. Now, they try to make it seem like Haiti is so poor, right? But it's this, I can't remember the name of it.

It's this, it's this, I think I want to say it's a rare element that they make microchips out of, that they only get from Haiti. Yeah, Haiti has a lot of things. Haiti has a lot of minerals in, like natural resource. Okay, natural resource. Yes. So what I'm going to tell you about Haiti is this. And keep in mind, you said something earlier, which was ill. So in 5% of, you know, you might hear Jay Z say peace guard, right, or different.

Peaceguard. So we have something called knowledge itself. So knowledge itself is like you really understand what's going on. So at the end of the day, King, this is what I want you to know. Whatever you see, they say is the poorest place in the world. Remember when they used to say Africa, the poorest place in the world? And we didn't want to go. You know what I'm saying? First time I went to Africa, I was so like into like the black power movement. I showed up with dashiki. Niggas is wearing rockerware. They're like, nigger, what year are you from, right? Because I thought, you get what I'm, you feel me?

I just got back from Ghana. It's the shock when you go over there and see how they live in, and you have this perception that these people are, flies on the face in the arms of the angels. No, they don't like that. No, they get money over there. They get money, rinses, everything. Yeah, but to your point, King, natural resources is the game.

So what you've seen Africa has started to do now is the youth have declared that they want the natural resources back. That's what's going on. So now in Haiti, you know, and I know all the Haitians are watching this, and I'm going to say this, we have a puppet prime minister right now in Haiti. You know, and I know he's watching this, so this is perfect.

So his term was supposed to be only for four months. After they went in, they assassinated the Haitian president, the Colombians they went in right 22 whatever they set up whatever and again I think the Colombians was just a pawn for the bigger picture of what was going on oh yeah so this dude that's literally been here in four months he's been here three years going on three years supposed to be four months we have asked for him to leave so we're demanding that he leaves because we don't need the country to get into a crazier situation you know what I mean because what are the youth demanding now the youth want the natural resources back

What are they demanding now? They want education. Like, if you find a situation to give a nigger a job, he's going to put that gun down. He's going to come work for you. Right. So that's sort of like where we're at now, you feel me? And you said they're trying to assassinate you, too.

It's all, I'm lying. You saw, how quick? We ain't doing it. Your n'all niggins trying to kill me on the shirt. Uh-uh, get out of water. We ain't do that. You can lead up on that. Yeah, we got one.

You can read up on it, you know, when I ran, they try to find me. Right, yeah. And that's just how it goes. And then, you know, again, there's what social media, thank you love, there's what social media that could amplify something, and there's always the reality. Because you got the conspiracy theorists online. This is true where they'll try to paint different pictures of what happened. Yeah, they try to assassinate me.

That's what happened. And it's obvious. All you got to do is look at what they did to me. the president when they rolled up in his crib. But again, beyond the fact of whatever they did at me and came at me, why the fuck for the nigger try to run to be president of a country that they call the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere? Right.

Because I know that that's not true. That place is wealthy in resource, man. Gold, oil, copper, lithium. the people you heard that the people are what you call right and then they're under like 20 the new millennials it's insane and guess what they want

they just want job creations in education so I feel that in the course of history because we live in our lives now 200 years from now they're going to judge us so some things you do now ain't going to be popular to the public they're just not going to get it

but in history my nigger that's right so when When you look back in history and you go 2012, whatever the year was of the earthquake, and you'd be like, where was Clef? Where was Wild Clef? That nigger that came from the village that was riding the donkey. If it's like, oh, well, he was shaking his hips with Shakira and he was with Santana, but we never saw him on the island and in history.

Because the only thing they're going to care about is this, how you move the culture forward. That shit called Arridium. Arridium. Yeah. Well, we could talk about Arridium. So Arridium, no, I got you. So, and then we're the second in the world. Right.

I just with Aridium. I got to shake your hand on that. Now, everybody that's watching that, Google this word, Eridian in Haiti. Okay, this is some of the fight. Why? Because as we move forward into the future, here's another Jew for all the kings and queens watching.

Euridian is going to be needed because now you're moving into a green environment. Everything is full. friendly. You're going to need that for your cars for all of like where we go, electric vehicles and all of that. So you're going to need all that. So as we speak, this is what's happening right now. So no, we're not the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. We actually one of the richest countries in natural resources. We're being ripped off. That's what's happening. But that's crazy. But when we talk, I found out I got Jamaican in my my blood and my native.

So, dude, gang. You feel me? Yeah. It just, I love hearing about the maroons and just about how y'all fight for the rights. And like you're saying now that the young millennial is like, we just want our resources back. We just want to create. And it's like, it always seems like what's stopping us is the government. And just to hear you say, we just need a clean government.

And we have a clean, straight government. We'll be straight. Yeah, y'all need a clean government. You said something earlier, Jamaica and Haiti with the Shatters. How do we feel about that? Just a little historical fact before I move on. Bukman was from Jamaica. He was barely 12.

He was a Jamaican who went to Haiti and was part of the Haitian revolution. You wouldn't have the Haitian revolution without having Bukman. That's what makes us closer than more separated. But they didn't want to give us that in history. You know what I'm saying? To you, to your point, we said we need cleaner government and cleaner governance. How do we get to that? Y'all, we get through that to y'all.

Y'all got to demand it. So that's what we tell the youth in Haiti. Nobody is bigger than y'all, the people. Y'all hit the streets. Y'all can't back up. Like, you know what I mean? You saw what happened in Sri Lanka. Like, you literally, if you got to run up in that White House

and tell the people that's what we want as a unit, that's how you got to move. And the power is within the youth. And, of course, yeah, I do know. a lot, because you ain't just going to run for President without understanding what the backside channels are and how they move, but nobody is bigger

than the people, my fan. They can't murder a million people, period. Man, they're getting back to the music. I got to ask, man, because you are a part of one of the biggest groups in hip-hop is in music history. Like, y'all getting back together to go back on tour.

Like, when, you know, one of my favorite lines in any music is, then the Fuji's going to break up, Every day I wake up, somebody got something to say, like, just that power that you had as a group, when did you realize that y'all were at the status where people loved y'all worldwide the way that they do? Fugis is short for refugees, and right from the gate, we ain't want to do music. We wanted to do a movement. We called the refugees so we could touch you if you in the States, but also in the Sudan.

You touch you, too. You in the favelas of Brazil. Touch you, too, you in South Africa. So it became bigger than us. It's not us. That's why last year, if you show up at the tour, we barely did promotions, everything was stowed out, stadium, right? Because when people show up and we make you feel good, right?

Because what happens is, like, when you listen to Bob Marley, like, you feel good. It's like what happened to that energy. So that's sort of like how it started off for us. It was more we wanted to be a movement. You know what I'm saying, too? And guess what? When you get older, you get wiser. Like, meaning, like, it's so deep to me now

because it's like you create something. And I don't think people understand. Like, when we say, like, we bought, we took hip hop and the way we bought hip hop to Europe, no one has ever, it's like we, we, we, Harriet Tubman it, right? so that it's like, okay, we're out there and it's like, okay, well, who's going to open up for us? Let's bring Jay-Z to open up.

Let's bring Nas. Because at the end of the day, we felt like that the energy and what the people should be getting is what's real, because the thing is going to start to circulate around the world. And because where we come from, it was created from where we came from. So we needed people to get that organic.

In long book. It's out here. Yeah. Yeah. And before us, you know, you had like the melly males and those guys that was going out there. But I felt like when we came in and another thing we killed was the stereotype of hip hop is a microphone in two turntables. Fugees killed that. So that was another thing in Europe. Like it shocked them.

Like when they see motherfuckers showing up playing instruments, when they hear Lauren Hill singing and they see me playing keys, it's messing them up. Because they have an ideology of what hip hop is. And again, as keepers of the culture, we wanted to show them that, no, hip hop is everything. Think about, I remember when we was coming out, people was like, it's not hip hop. They said it's alternative because we were singing in melodies. And now, look, today, look what year we're in. You know what I'm saying? It's what you got to do?

It's all you got nothing but, man. If you can't walk it out, if you can't walk with their melodies, you ain't. saying nothing. You've generated billions of dollars globally. Where did you learn the music business from? It's so funny that you say that. So we're in 2024 now, right? And I was looking and I was like, oh wow,

over a billion views for Shakira Hipstone Line. Then I was like, okay, over a billion views for Avichi. Avichi's my guy. He actually started EDM. He was a genius. And this is what I want kids to know. This is the facts. So we produced K. K.A. L. Boogie saying, killing me softly before I'm my generation was the Roberta Flack generation. And y'all know the Lauren Hale version, right? So who wrote it? We ain't write the shit. So here goes the game. Now we're going to get into financial. literacy. Let's talk about it. So here

goes the game. We ain't write it, but we performed it and it was amazing and we made somebody $8 million. Right? So that means that whoever was the composer who wrote it was literally sleeping in his bed

and he made $8 million like that, right? And then now look at how big that version is. So that person copyright has generated them million and millions of dollars. So this is the game.

So royalties, but bigger than royalties, publishing. The game is to own your own copyright and your own composition. The game is the power of licensing. Dig, your publishing is your real estate. So your publishing is your real estate game. Because you know how once you invests in real estate, it could be 30 years down from now.

Like you're still going to get money from that property. You could flip it, whatever you want to do. So in saying that, I was like, okay, I need to be on the other side of the game. I need to be on the side of when I'm 54, I can be sleeping. And then I don't have to worry about picking up an instrument. So I'll just give you one example. So the phone goes off.

Yo, man, what's up, my brother? You know we the best, right? Reggie, what happened, Khaled? We go way back. right to Days of Shadows. Exactly. He said, Yo.

He was skinny. Yeah. And then, you know, so my brother is very excited when he has visions. Yo, I got this vision, man. Remember the song you wrote? Maria, Maria, man. I got this vision, you know. I think you can get Santana and boom, boom, boom, boom, right?

But I own the majority of the song. So I hit up the Godfather. Santana, and I just put them with Calais, right? So, but keep in mind, the actual composition itself, right, is a Wycleft Jerry Wonder composition. So that means that now we're talking, we're talking big now, because we're talking about we own the building. So now you want, you got to pay rent for the building.

So now watch this. So now, of course, G. J. Caleb gets Rihanna, Pricentella. Amazing. Makes the shit a hit. I was a baby, and I sat on the keyboard and was like, do, do, do, do, do do do do do do da-da-da-da-da-da-da-do, right? Now, what does that mean? That's a billion streams.

So what does that mean? When I'm at the Super Bowl, and I'm going, there's countless images of this thing. So you look at it and say, well, what does that mean? Every time that it could be a billion streams of Cal-in and Rihanna, but the composition itself is the real estate. So that means that this is what you call, you've got to teach this in financial literacy.

So the way that you get wealthy, everybody's popping when they're 20 and 21 and 22. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was my own Mayweather at 21 and 22. You know what I'm saying? But I'm 54. So what used to matter to me doesn't matter. But when I'm 25,

the ice that I wear like it matters to me you know what I'm saying to you but now at 54 the ice has to translate into buildings into small islands into you know investment so how do you get there

and the way that y'all get there is you've got to make sure that you have ownership it could be out and don't think of it like music think of it as intellectual property my nigger if you say one phrase

I remember Pete this I freaking was doing one song one time And all I wanted to say was, let's get ready to rumble. And I did, and they was just like, yo, you got to go clear it. Yeah. I was like, I didn't know you could patent a slogan. Do you know how, let's start with battle rap. Do you know how many slogans is in battle rap that if they understood that and they went and patten their own slogan that little, because that's the culture, they take those languages and it becomes, it's like Shakespearean.

So I ain't just talking about just music. just everything in general, you know what I'm saying? All the way down to his generation, my generation. You got a retirement plan. Now, the thing is, when I was your age and I saw somebody retiring, I was like, oh, they're about to die. They're going to go to Miami, get a little condo, live out their life in the beast, they're going to die.

No, I'm 54. I didn't even start living yet. Go live. Right? So the thing is, when somebody, got to be like, yo, start saving that bank when you're 20-something. Look up the policies, look at the benefits that you can get at your age. All of this is important because if you constantly want to maintain that fly lifestyle, you constantly want to live it, then you got to start early and start

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well we felt like we had to come and settle the score because we felt like we was um is the word underrated underestimates And then we felt like when we did Blunted on reality you know that album the first, so the freshman album went copper. You know what I'm saying too? And then it went copper and we felt like we was

misunderstood. And the reason why we felt we was misunderstood, off camera I was telling y'all the Fugees was signed to Leg Jam. That's a cool and the gang brother production team. So Khalis Bayam, my man that did RIP to him, he passed away.

Jungle Boogie. She's fresh, exciting. Celebrate. Every bar mitzvah, celebrate. Ladies night. Ladies night come. Yeah. They're producing.

You think I'm going to say something? So, you know, and he's like, yo, this is the direction at the time. So at the time, there was a group car, Onyx. Oh, that's there? Nix, I'm about to put your skirt up. Yeah.

Remember, Slum. So being like we had an energy when we was performing live, he wanted to translate. that to the album and that didn't go off well with the the hip hop audience in America not in Europe I'll just give you an example and then so on that album I remember I asked him I was like yo can I produce one song and he was like what I said I have an idea just an acoustic guitar and rhyming over an acoustic guitar and I ended up being vocab

and then Lauren was like can she get one and hers ended up being some seek stardom, you know, but they forget Harlem. And then so when you listen to those two records, you could just see like if we had that shot. Meanwhile, while that's going on, we get back to the bugger basement in the

hood, we're cooking on that MP. You know what I'm saying? Like that ready or not you hear? That sample came from a sleepwalker. It was an old sample from sleepwalker. We up in the hood I was smoking and I fell asleep.

to that sample, the India shit. And it was in a movie on a VCR. And then I remember waking up. I remember Sput McKenzie, woke up to the dog Sput McKinsey with one friend. And then it hit me. I was like, yo, if a dog could be famous in America, ain't no way we ain't going to be famous.

I remember, like, again, simple record. Tom, this is what people don't understand. So now you can do a whole album in your basement. you can do it in your room you can do it anywhere you know where we did that whole album at 30 years ago right in the hood in the bugger basement my uncle's basement

that's another part of us we engineers so imagine like we got to get the room built the patch bay built I'm talking about the whole OMCI boy take everything like we was our own computers at the time when you listen to like all that joint I'm like this

roll the tape I'm pulling when the baby They come out so all of the math is in my head. I'm doing hand automation. It's not on no need. So at the end of the day, it's like, that's what I'm trying to tell people like the Fugees are architects, scientists. Because think about what everyone's doing right now. You can do it with a laptop, my nigger.

We was doing that shit with no laptop. So you can have an artist who's a dope rapper. You can have a dope artist who's a dope businessman, a good singer, whatever. but I'm telling you what you heard we built it from our hands like from scratch guttering the basement putting the panels up building the patch base going to junkyard sales I'll take this I'll take that and from this in birth to score so we did that because we was like we come to settle the score that's great 50 years of hip-hop man Did you ever think you would see her?

50 years of hip-a. You'd make a billion dollars rapping. 50 years of hip-hop is amazing. And I think that we all are awoke now to a whole other level. And what I want everybody to look at is as we move into these next 25 years of hip-hop,

being a billionaire is not a, it's not like they're giving you. a gift. You deserve to be a billionaire. Because you've consumed and have made companies billions and billions of dollars. So at the end of the day, understanding that, what's amazing

to look at the next 25 years is how savvy this generation is. And how, remember when Jay was like, I'm going to make y'all pay for what y'all did to the coal crush. You see what I'm saying to you? So it's like, at the end of the day, it's like we've leveled off in positions of power all of us in different sectors right but it's really only a few of us like it's really a handful but we came in with hundreds and thousands of them right and it's a handful so the thing is when we look at the next 25 years what we want to make

sure is when he's my age it's like there's no longer handful like it's a couple like it's a complete movement, you know what I'm saying to you, where it's like, okay. Yeah, they're going to be some. That's right, because they balanced out in a way of, like, generational wealth. Like, um, Rothschild style wealth. You feel me? Yeah. Chico was talking about earlier about the Jay-Z land.

We said, and then the Fuji's going to break up. So clearly that they had fucked this day up. No group wants to break up. Yeah. How did you deal with that shit? Knowing that you got one of the dobes groups y'all that sold the most albums, musically, y'all just in sync, like, how did you do? deal with that? Well, I mean, when I look back at it, we was, we was child stars,

his kid stars. Like, I could see it now and I look back, but when I'm a kid, I don't know I'm a kid, right? So what do you going to do? You're going to make mistakes. Now, when you become wrong, what do you do? With consolation, you apologize for everybody that you did wrong, because now you start to understand it because it's not just my story right it's long before me there was somebody else long before that person there was somebody else um what it did was it made the reconciliation even more stronger and you're gonna understand what I'm saying for probably the next 12 months right so but it's like um we see the mountains and shit and be like,

yo, this mountain is dope. Yeah, you know, you climb with you, you're like, yo, that's dope. But my nigga, if we was to, like, smoke an L and then sit back and then jump on some science shit on how the mountain became the mountain. You know what I'm saying? From the combustions

and all of that, we'd be like, oh, so at the end of the day, of course, it fucked everybody there up, you know what I'm saying to you, but it's sort of like, sometimes you can question what happens at the time, but then later it all makes sense you know what i'm saying to you um i felt like if that happened you wouldn't

have got the miseducation i was just about which was a very insane and important album you wouldn't have got the carnival you wouldn't have got so again like you wouldn't have got someone please call 9-1-1 like think about the miseducation the miseducation was an album that is like a bible yeah one the greatest albums ever come on i got to ask though it's a rumor it's a rumor that I've always heard, I've got to ask you directly, was you just lost one a diss song to Wycliffe? You might win some, but you really lost one. It's funny how money changes the situation, is that a, is that a diss song to Wycliffe?

I mean, I couldn't answer that because I didn't write the song, right? But I'm a battle rapper, so I'm going to dress you direct when I address you. So do I think the song is about me versus that, that's a different question. Well, okay, do you think that the song was about you at the time? Nick, I knew the song was about it. You do it. That's about me. You got set up.

That was a ball. That was a rap ball. You liked it. What was your reaction when you heard it? And you really just sat there and listened to it? I said, fuck. This shit is hard. Sometimes you got to let this head.

That's good. You got, you take an L, you got to check the L. Keep it moving. Yeah, that's it. But you bet you can work with anybody, bro. You can go from Shakira to Ying Yang Twins. I love Yingham. I did that.

Motherfucking Santana, bro. You got a new joint with Lola Brook and Push your teeth. Yeah, so this chapter two, I'm inspired again to start to put workout. So for me, it starts off with my production brain. So I got approached by a company called TIAA. We was talking earlier on getting your paper right. And I was like, who can convey that message in a way like for the youth who don't feel like I'm preaching to them? You know what I'm saying?

So I put a scenario together, like as a producer. So I was like, okay, let me get Lola Brooke, Flage, push a T, Capella Gray, and just put. a combination together. Langee from LSU? Yeah. That's hard. You heard what he's head now. Yeah, she's crazy.

Yeah, right now. Shout to fire. Let me ask you this. Remember, she was the one she was doing ready or not, on the ready or not beat. That's what made it come out. Crazy.

She's fire. Now, we talk music all the time, like, as a producer who's produced some of the biggest hits, when you get a track, do you still just, do you just lead that bitch or do you have to produce a little bit,

no matter who you get it from? I don't get, I don't get tracks. I built them from scratch. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I get this point. At this point, would you need it. So I build it from scratch, but you can call me and say, I got a track. And I want you to come and be on it.

So one example is Young Thub. You know what I mean? He got a whack-cliffe, John. You're going to be a lot of Jeffrey out. That's been crazy. So really, you know, start with prison reform. And when we say free to slime, we really mean that. Like, at the end of the day, we all could have been within that situation, period.

you. So, you know, Thugger brings me to the studio. I remember it was his birthday. And we catching a vibe. And they have the beat. You know what I'm saying to you? And it's there. And then so certain things I can feel right on the spot. You know what I'm saying to you? So there's things that you produce and then there's things that you wish you produced, right? You feel what I'm saying to you? So, nah, come on. I could go to every doctor dress. every Kanye so I'm just saying like so at the end of the day as a producer you hear things and you're like yo that shit is so crazy and it inspires you too you know what I'm saying to you so as a we always pushing the envelope so I think

with this new joint that we have again it's 2024 I started the production this record is called payful right I'm in a vibe I'm in a zone and the zone ain't going to stop we have we we feel it again how do you how do I can't wait. How do you get on White Cleft radar? Just like Lola Brooke, flage, and then you put the push of teeth here. That shit just crazy. You got to also be a fan of them.

Yeah, how did she get on White Clef radar, man? Because you'd be over there building Wells with Bono, you were in Haiti running for president. I don't know, man. I just might have to spit some bars because based on what you just said right there, you said, nigger, be building wells. Like I don't have time for this shit. You see what I'm saying? But when you're a fan of the culture, you're a fan of the culture.

So it's like, if I tell you, like, if Murder Mook is watching this, he'll tell you, like, I was in the studio with Murder Mook. It was like 20 years ago just doing records with it. Right? You know, like, so it's like I love, remember, I was telling you, I didn't really want to be famous. I keep saying that. I wanted to be, like, Quincy.

to be a composer. So people would be like, yo, man, how do you feel that you ain't the top five best rappers of all times, right?

I said, I said, nigger, I'm a composer. So I need you to judge me as a composer. Like, as a composer,

who does what I do? I mean, I just showed you some shit offline. Like, this long before everybody, whatever,

I was in Carnegie Hall with the tucks conducting the Philharmonic Orchestra. You'll talk. You feel what I'm saying? So that, that, To me, yeah, that's what we are.

You know, I play drums and the orchestra, nigga. You know what you're fucking up, man. You were not a nigga. You would connect. You were fucking up. You know, I'm like, maybe I should brag more as a rapper. I don't do that. But Carnegie Hall.

You might just have to remind motherfuckers on. Yeah, Carnegie Hall. But it's history. That's why you got to get it. Carnegie Hall. That's the one. I'm the first rapper ever. Full, Philharmonic Orchestra.

one night with Wycliffe everybody is there and I reroute everybody's music Destiny Child they there Stevie Wonder Who there? Whitney Houston She's there Charlotte Church

She's there Eric Clapton He there And everybody came for me Because I wanted to redefine Carnegie Hall Because I felt like

When I was younger I felt like That Hall was intimidating To like us Like they felt like We couldn't be in that hall So literally And so when I show, when you look at this,

while Clef and Friends at Carnegie Hall, my front band is all kids. So literally the oldest one is 16. So, and I was calling them Clef kids because in high school, as a jazz major, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I was super advanced. So at Carnegie Hall, I bought all of these kids

and I gave them that chance. You know what I'm saying? To you. And a little bit of hip-hop history, my first music video ever, I was an extra for, Eric B and Raq Kim, upright bass, don't sweat the technique. That's hard.

That's hard, man. And I got it because I knew the fingering of the upright, right? Because I played uprights. I was looking to say that did the cleft come from the cleft note? Man, man, what's crazy, man? My dad was a theologian, man. He was just a high p to him, but he was just like religious crazy. So Rock Cliff John, he actually named me after the, the,

reformatator, the first translation of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John by Wycliffe John from England who inspired the Lutheran doctrines later. So that's how the nigga named me Wyclef John. So he always thought like I would pick up after him and be a minister

or something. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. Being the first one to do Carnegie Hall, I don't know if you've noticed that everybody's doing that now. I just hosted something for Waile at the Kennedy Center where he did a live van. Tip, just did a live orchestra.

So you go back. Yeah, go back. Everybody's doing it now. So you were the first one to ever do that. And then not only being at Carnegie Hall is one thing, but the orchestration writing all the sheet music. Like I'm saying like... For each instrument?

Yeah. And then being a conductor. Man, you don't know how hard that is. You wrote the music. Yeah. Not, I wrote... For each instrument. You write the music and every...

Like, if I'm doing a back piece, I'm going to construct it from... backwards to forward, because I hear it a different way. I'm just going to say, as I'm doing it, you're up there. You know when the flute's all. You know when the clue. Yeah, so if I'm doing, yeah. So shout out actually to my music teacher from high school, because she's the one that literally started teaching me how to read music and get into it.

So that's really me. Like, at the end of the day, I was that kid from the hood that could defy anything. I didn't want to do what the average was doing. It's almost like a nigga who pick up a golf stick, right? and they go, well, you're not supposed to wear this jacket. It's green. It's a master's jacket because of the color of your skin. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like

when you, when, the reason why he's, he's amp like that, a composer is not addition or subtraction. It's like calculus. Like, you're doing the highest level of math and you're moving at real time. You got to put all this shit together. It comes from him. It comes from him.

You hear? Yeah, it's more sound. Making one sound like that. So when you hear gone to November? Yeah. Okay. So gone to November, that's the Philharmonic orchestra in that. So I did, so again, that's a hip-hop record with a symphony in it.

So I put orchestra inside of hip-hop music. So there's all this stuff that I do and continue to do. I probably just got to talk about it more. Because niggins be capping. 9-1-1 saying you a thank-you letter for that goddamn song you wrote.

Someone, please go. 9-1-1. You know how. I hurt you had to be, nigga, to call 9-1-1 knowing them police be killing people. You're like, still show up. So how do you look at it now? Because just hearing about you saying you're a composer. Because I love music.

That's my passion. So just to hear people takes on, you know, certain levels when it comes to the music, when you say, I'm a composer. When it was important at a time when you had to learn to read music, you had to know all 12 scales. I'm about to put you up. You got to know it, and then now you see that it's computerized, and motherfuckers can cheat it. And it's not really, if somebody would put some xylophone sticks in your hand and be like, play me need 12 skills, they'll be like, I don't know what you're talking about.

How do you try to, like, manage that and be like, you know what, and still keep your authenticity on it? So, the first part of the orchestration comes from your head. Right. James Brown, one of the greatest composers. He ain't play an instrument. You could look at the nigger and be like, this is the part. The bass going to go like this, do you wrap up, right? So, again, nothing is going to be.

A nigger could cheat as much as he want, but a nigger who got, you got the shit in your head, then you can tell the computer what to do. So man versus machine, is the AI smarter than you, you're smarter than the AI right so because if you're smarter than the AI what you're going to do is in your brain you'd be like hmm I got a freaking orchestra here I got a bass man I got a guitar I got these background vocals but in your brain though it's already here and then so the computer you can go on freaking arcade and you'll be like okay exactly because it's already in your brain so

nothing beats the orchestra so nothing needs to complete poser. So it don't matter if it's a computer or I always say that if anyone's complaining, like a nigga would be like, oh a nigga can cheat. Yeah, but the computer can't write 9-1-1. It just can't. You know what I'm saying?

No matter what I don't care. Look, if I wish I could be like if I knew that there was something, because it was already in my head. So if I had a program where I could have grabbed that and saved me five minutes, I would have just did that. But if it's not here, then it would happen, you know, because I learned that from Michael Jackson being in

the studio with him, and how he's moving his body, you know, drumming and just every sound that he's hearing. And the orchestra come from your head. And I always say technology, my man, every tech that you see, we are the Asiatic. There's nothing that is out there underneath the sun. That's not us. So a plug-in before the shit was a plugin, it was from a patch bay. And from the patch of it was converted, like, we, so it's like, what came first, the chicken and the egg? At the end of the day, without the human being, nothing is possible. So it's like, we got to push ourselves. No, we could do this all day.

We're a huge Michael Jackson fans. We've got to get that Michael Jackson story. So Michael Jackson, I remember, I remember, I was coming off tour. And, um, and then, uh, my phone goes off. Right. Right. And, uh, when my phone go off, like, hello, it's Michael Jackson. And-

You gave him a little bit more base in your book. You said, Mike voice was deep, for real? It was. Um, go ahead. Yeah, so, so Michael hits me, but in, in the hood, man, we, like, I'm a pranker. So I'm always fucking around with my friends. playing around. So, and I was like, yo, get the fuck out of here. And I hung up on Michael

Jackson. Yeah, I hung up on Mike. Yeah. Everybody would have hung up on Mike as too, man. Get the fuck out of you. You ain't on Michael Jackson. Exactly, man. Sing Billy Jean then, Nick. Yo, man. Yo, this dude. Yo, and then Michael calls back. And I ain't going out of y'all, niggas. And Michael's like, Hello.

And when my brain computed, that was Michael, my voice me burst. I was like, hello, my voice. Yo, my voice. My voice was right. Yo, I'm saying. And then he told me he was in some country in Asia, and this song came in, gone to November. And then he saw the orchestra.

And then he told his people, who was that? And then he got my number and he had to call me. And he said, yo, I'm going to be in New York and I want you to come

to the studio. And it was freaking how that is to get a nigga number back there? Like, just the beat like, hey, who is that?

Get his number for me. At a random country in Asia. A nigga, a nigga got to leave to go back. Give me his number. I got to go outside. Like, what? The worst.

They had to call the whole phone. But yeah, I'm trying to get to talk. He's just white cleft. White cleft? That's crazy, bro. Yeah, so he definitely, when I got in with him, again, just a short time that I spent with him. It's like a whole day.

He literally changed my perception. And it was like, that's how I knew, like, whatever you do, just keep doing what you do. Because people are going to find you. Yes, sir. They're going to find you. Before you go, we got to talk about this Netflix. documentary that they did on your life. Like, what is

that and when can we look forward to seeing it? Yeah, man. So, Netflix is doing an animation film on Prince of Porta Prince, which is me. We talk about how you escape poverty through imagination.

So, it's on the level of, like, a Rio, a Lion King, because I wanted my first film to be about that village, like what we talked about, when you see shit from the eye of a kid it's not like from the eye of an adult you know what I'm saying so um so all I could do is tell you is um when we when y'all watch this make sure y'all bring our children with y'all your little niece cut and then be like yeah this is a real dude like he literally is from the hut so anything that you want to do you can do I'm very excited too about what that score won't be for that so I'm working as we speak with choirs in Haiti you see choir Because in Haiti, I'm also working with a conductor who's working with these kids building an orchestra. And these kids are in the village, so they get instruments and they build this.

So a lot of this score, I wanted to be like on the level of Lion King, right? My ultimate dream, man, is to be in the Oscars with all those Haitian kids from that village playing these instruments and going crazy. And I'm going to cry if that happens. You said it on this couch, so it's going to happen. That's right. Say, same. One thing we got to do before we get you out of here, why? You've got to sign our table for it.

Anything you want to leave them with. You got to go, man. Why the fuck? What would you got to do at this? Any way you want. Who we got next? Oh, that's a dope instrumental. J-O-N-A-Dade that.

That's hard. Let that play. I got you. I'm a ride with you. Yeah I can rhyme You can hear me Okay

Remember I tell you I used to battle rap Yeah Okay I'm the one Yeah I know what you thinking

Me too But in my game of numbers They could only Be a few I'm the Trinity Guess the riddle kid One man on two sticks

What's that The crucifix That's what they taught me In Sunday school Forgive my phone Fives twin At Polocchio's nose If it's six

Go to seven That's the number of completion. Adam ate the apple so they cast them from the gardener eating. Jealousy got him waving his nine king kills Abel. He a 10 man. You know it's far to pump soil you. Two ones ain't enough to make it rain. Microphone check one. Two. Rap lives in my vein. I'm from the era dudes scrap with their hands play Friday to 13 get COVID caught her body slam. But my nephews don't use their hands is M14. M15's guns. and roses.

Where did that your sweet 16? And I was bald. On October 17, that's the day they killed my leader. Jean-Jacques de Salis. Mama told me there's monsters and then my bed day 18. Big mouth from X to 19th. That was my enemy. 2020 vengeance ain't a good die young.

I had to trick death. That's how I made it past 21. You know I want to get it back on You know I want to get black to tossing. I told you, boy. He's going to be black on black. Nah, I got this. That's going to look crazy.

Oh, man. I can go home now. Yeah, I'm going home. Bro, that's crazy. That's love. That's crazy. That's crazy, right? White left, John.

I don't want to go on the camera. That's crazy on the That's crazy. That's crazy. That was a idea. I finally got my favorite episode. I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant.

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