The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1731 Spinal Talk

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Drew explains the miracle of the New York subway before the two discuss how people used to speak in terms of work instead of careers. Next, they talk to a caller with nostalgia for old airplane movies and another whose friend suffered a spinal stroke. Please Support Our Sponsors: Simplisafe.com/ADAM2 Shopify.com/AdamAndDrew Angi.com

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Get it on. What's going on, Drewski? Yeah, man. It's our first gathering since New York City. What are your thoughts on New York? I didn't really get any global take from you. It seems to be thriving. It's busy.

Yeah, people there have purpose. They're moving in a direction. They're going somewhere. They're doing something. It's a kind of purposeful place. Industrious. LA's like too much meandering. There's a lot of direction yeah you know yeah and uh people are

there to either work or enjoy the fruits of other people's labors you know so there seems to be this sort of symbiotic relationship between the people that are providing and the people that are consuming over there. You mean like restaurant type setting? It's just everyone's got a job over there. Yeah. And or they're there to spend. But they're all sort of moving.

A lot of tourists, which is the first time that's back since COVID. Yeah. A lot of different languages being spoken. You notice that? Subway, you can ride most of the subways most of the day, just not late into the night anymore. I never – I very infrequently ride the subway over there. If you do, it's a fucking miracle. You can get anywhere.

It's so ridiculous and fast, right? I mean you've got cross cross down traffic and stuff. Anything on the roads is just all bogged down. You get on the train, you are, you're there. Yeah. And, and there's, if you know how to figure them out, there's nowhere you can't go. We have like about four, six blocks, maybe, you know, it's weird. It's a, you know, there's certain holes in certain games. And, um, for me, public transportation transportation i remember as a kid um trying to take the bus places you know people out here would try to take the bus there was a bus a number of buses that you could actually you could get to the beach from the valley. Take forever.

Yeah. It was probably about three hours probably where you would. Again, the marvel of the train is that distance on a New York type subway would be maybe 15 minutes. Maybe. No, not maybe 15. It'd probably be like 25 or 30. Maybe. Depends if they had an express train or not, I guess.

You got to cover. You wouldn't be able to cover it in 15. How many miles? Is that 12 miles, 14 miles? Yeah, I don't know what it was from North Hollywood to Santa Monica. But it would take some time in a train. But the bus is just, you had to get off. You had to transfer.

You had to transfer again. You had to transfer, you had to transfer again, you had to wait, you know, there's no telling, you know. I remember taking a bus once to, so funny. I remember a few of us attempting to take a bus to some high school that was in Burbank, Glendale or something of sort of another part of the valley. Because this high school had these kind of slopes that were kind of paved and you could skateboard there. You know, how old were you guys? I would imagine I was about 12 maybe 13 and so so you exercised your white privilege by getting on the bus yeah but i remember this very specifically i remember that i had purchased or figured out a way to get some elbow pads for skateboarding.

Now, the thing about back in the day, especially with my parents, there wasn't a distinction between a sort of luxury item and or necessity. It was like 10 bucks is 10 bucks. 10 bucks buying a steak dinner was 10 bucks and 10 bucks to the dentist was 10 bucks. Yeah. 10 bucks buying a steak dinner was 10 bucks and 10 bucks to the dentist was 10 bucks. It was 10 bucks. Yep. And they were very hard and fast with their rules. So meaning getting some protective equipment so when I could go out and ride my skateboard in a slightly safer fashion was still $10. Yep. And my parents were just as tight with that $10 as they would have been for $10 to go to Knott's Berry Farm or something like that.

It was just – to be fair to them, it was consistent. $10 is $10. I had the same stuff. Right. I was raised under the same cloud. And I remember. And maybe it was the right way to go, you know? Well, it's fine.

Something you want to break free of. Well, look, you know, I just, it's fine for how you live your life. But if those around you are living their life financially recklessly and you're paying for everything, then it gets a little demoralizing, I would say. But I remember the bus ride and I remember getting a nice pair of elbow pads that were like hard shell. You know, it's like a good, high quality, almost like a hockey elbow pad. And they were brand new, and this kind of thing would have been fallen under the prize possession sort of thing for me. I had a couple of items that would have fallen under the heading of,

I guess, a big ticket item. Skateboard probably would have been number one, and then number two would be the elbow pads. And I just got them, and I don't know how. I don't know if I washed a bunch of cars in my dad's apartment building or something, but I got these elbow pads probably $12 or something. Hang on. I'm not used to thinking of your dad in an apartment building. or something. Hang on. I'm not used to thinking of your dad in an apartment building. Yeah. My dad went from his in-laws closet. I have to be fair to the man. He was 43 and sober.

Sober. Sober. Sober, Drew. Have you ever heard of these types of activities without some issues? A mental health problem or something. Mental health and or substance issues, right? When you hear my dad's tales, you go, oh, he's an alcoholic. Gambling addiction? No, he didn't make money. He didn't make money and he didn't care to make money. It's like he refused to. Yeah, my mom and my dad did not earn money.

Did they ever talk about what... And they didn't have a problem not having money. Well, that's good because they didn't have any. It didn't bother them, but it bothered me because I didn't have any money. But where did the work disdain come from? Do you think they ever talk about that? Your mom had mental health issues.

She did. So she couldn't. Well, I mean, she probably could have if she was properly motivated. Right, right. She didn't work because she didn't work. But him, he's the more mystical part because he did work later. He worked a little bit, you know, like a little bit, but I, I, I, I talked to, you know, I sort of, I told you guys this story, but I, I kind of drilled down, you know, as an adult, when you

talk to these, your parents as an adult, you know, you get a different perspective, you know, and, uh, I didn't use my dad as an example of sort of no count, but I did use his best friend. Well, part of it was my parents' friends didn't do anything either, right? Yeah. So we had my mom who didn't work, I don't know, food stamps and whatever. And then there was my grandfather who didn't work. And then there was my dad who worked kind of substitute teaching, kind of on and off. He didn't even really know exactly.

And then my grandmother worked for the VA. But there wasn't a lot of examples. You know, like when I'm exposed to people and I hear what my friend Kevin kevin hancher nick santora is doing a deal with tubi and we're doing a series with christoph waltz i go oh i gotta get me some you know what i mean yeah i want to work too if i talk to them and they're like i'm just just keeping this uh futon in place until you know until star trek comes on like then i'd probably go, oh, maybe I'll join you. They didn't have anything around them. They avoided anyone who was motivational.

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So, but I did, I said to my dad once. That's a European thing because they were just immigrants, right? My dad, as I told you, I had his best friend from the old South Philly came out here was Vince Bruno. And Vince, Pat, who just passed away, his wife, they, you know, Vince, Pat, and their son, Greg, lived in a small apartment in Santa Monica and owned one car. You know, it's like, well, can Vince come? Well, no, Pat took the car. Pat worked. Their culture was it was fine for the woman to work.

Yeah. My dad's dad was sort of that way. Sort of Italian thing. I can hang out during the day down at the club, play some pinochle, drink some coffee. You know what I mean? Bunchy ball. Yeah. It's a Tuesday.

Where am I going? She's got a job. She's so stuck. That feels like a cultural thing. Yeah. I mean, I'm for some reason flassing on some scenes from the godfather when they go visit italy and people are just sitting on the porch and yeah my uh pat not i'm not saying italians are lazy i'm just saying yeah at that period of history maybe there was some cultural work for the school system yeah uh first off every job was some sort of governmental job or something which paid the lowest amount humanly possible.

Back then especially. Those were not good. Oh, I mean, she worked for the Santa Monica school system in 1975. She probably made $12,000 a year or something. They lived in a small apartment. When people hear you say that, they don't believe you. That's about what that was. Yeah.

Maybe 16 to 18 later. Yeah, there was no big inflated union covet money anything they're just a shitty government job same one my grandmother had for the va you know and the whole their whole job my my grandmother's whole job was how many vacation days could she cheat the government out of it wasn't they gave up on pay a long time ago you know what i mean like what are you gonna do get paid more this is a giant bureaucracy with thousands of employees all getting paid sort of the minimum amount where there's no office to march into and demand you know your boss you know i need to profit sharing or something. There is no profit.

There's no sharing. There's no nothing. You just get paid a little bit. So in lieu of not really getting paid, which is an interesting mindset that we should think about, the governmental, I work for the government mindset. Then, back then for the government mindset. Then. Back then. Then and now. Now it becomes more about the, what do you call the benefits?

Health benefits. But this is what I'm talking about. It started back with those days with the vacation days. Well, what it was is, here's the mindset. Yeah. You are not going to get paid very much at all to do this job and we're not really going to be able to negotiate for you getting any kind of raise and if you get a raise it'll be very incremental over years okay so now where's your mind go okay, let's see how little I can work. If the deal is I'm getting paid the equivalent to $11 an hour, and that's based on a 40-hour week, let's see if I can do a 33-hour week and still get my paycheck.

So when I did construction, I got paid hourly. When I worked at McDonald's, I got paid hourly. I punched in and punched out. I wasn't interested in shaving time. And I didn't get paid for vacation days. But by the way, if you went over, they pissed. Would your manager be pissed if you went overtime if you tried to make more? I don't remember ever going overtime.

I had a bunch of clock. I was a ward clerk in a hospital and they would they would like you got to be within three minutes of the top. When you get out of here, it's like. So what what is my grandmother's job? Well, she's not going anywhere and she's not getting paid. and she's not getting paid. So she's going to try to work the system where she can accumulate as many vacation days and sick days and personal days

and whatever days as she possibly can, which is the mode that everyone would go into. If I told everyone here, you're not getting paid and you'll never get any more money, then they'd go, well, let's see how many days I can work from home and not work.

That's the next, because that's a form of payment. You're not going to pay me anything, VA? Let's see if I can cobble together three weeks of vacation during the summer and I'll get paid not to come in and then that'll change the dynamic of this. So I said, when I told you, I said to my dad once, not wanting to use him as an example, but I used Vince Bruno. And I was like, first off, these people are in their 40s and 50s. What did your dad say? 40s and 50s, quiet, sitting in say? 40s and 50s, quiet. It's not going to change.

Sitting in like a one-bedroom apartment sharing a car. It's like, does anyone want anything? It's like, and so I said to him, you know, Vince, he, you know, Vince would go like, ah, it's Tuesday. I'm playing tennis at the park, you know, and hanging out. And he would do some bartending at like the Moose Lodge on like Friday nights, you know. But it was minimal, you know. And I said to my dad, Vince, you didn't really have a career, right?

What do you mean? It worked. You know what we're talking about. He didn't really have a job though, right? Like he didn't get up in the morning and go somewhere. He bartended at the Moose Lodge. Yeah, he was 62. That was Saturday night, you know?

Yeah, well, what do you mean he didn't have a job? He has a job. Like my dad didn't understand what I was asking because in their world, there are no careers. They're jobs. And Vince had a job interesting so what are you talking about yeah i come from the same world people don't have careers they have jobs interesting people look for jobs they don't look for a career career was like pie in the sky like lotty rockefellers oh you'd watch bewitched and the guy who had the account you know that they were advertised that guy had a career he had a suit on and he flew in that day you know whatever these people had jobs and you were happy to have a job and we weren't happy

about it but you needed a job jobs are hard to find and if you had a job. Jobs are hard to find. And if you had a job, you'd do your best to keep your job. So if we all get to a world of complete equity, we can all join Vince. Yeah. That's sort of where that will go, right? It'll be Saturday night. We'll be at the Moose Lodge. You might not be allowed to. It might be a little out of line.

It'll be Saturday. We'll be at the Moose Lodge. And I'll be standing there. And I'll say to Vince, make me a highball. And he'll go, you make me a highball. And I'll go, wait a minute. Are we both working here or is neither one of us working here? All right. Let me tell you about something that is working. Simply Safe. You heard us talk about Simply Safe and how they've been named.

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in terms of certainly not entrepreneurial that that was that wasn't around in the center no no i mean like the kind of like like, you know, my grandparents. Entrepreneur would be like you ended up working in your family business that's been there for two generations or something. That was an entrepreneur. Also, there was a conceit. The conceit is we don't have money and we're not going to have money. So we have to just work. And what we can do is we could work and then we could sit on the weekends and

not do stuff and that'll be our rest and not do stuff that'll that's what my family but i've seen the pictures you were not doing stuff i on this bus ride to like John Muir High School. Oh, in Pasadena. Yeah, maybe it was to ride the slopes, you know, on the skateboard. We got to our bus stop, circling back to public transportation. You know, me and a couple of my friends, you know, grabbed our skateboards and like hopped off the bus and, you know, hit the sidewalk and the door closed and the bus took off and i was like where's my elbow pads oh and i was like there i put them on the seat next to me of course probably to the left and the door was to the right you know how long did it take you to get over that

i'm still not over i'm still not over it i i i just staying there going, oh, God. Oh, I'll never, never see those again. And by the way, they're on the bus just going. What am I going to do? Call the bus company. You know what I mean? They're just gone. Never used them.

Well, it's part of that helplessness of, you know, what you always described as the helplessness of your situation. Yes. It's just helpless. But the reason I've had a phobia of like public transportation is it's like I – Might leave something behind? Well, there's that. And then I don't read, comprehend. You know, when I'm looking at a map or schedule, like I can't see where the stops are and stuff it doesn't doesn't make sense to me

you have to kind of written it a little bit i sat on a i just have trouble with reading and the comprehension and stuff especially back then so i remember coming home once from somewhere like some kind of place in the valley just just not getting off the bus i I just sat there. I was scared to get off. I missed, obviously, I missed whatever my stop would be that would take a transfer to the next one. Actually, you know, I'm just like in Chatsworth, like in the Deep Valley, and I'm just sitting on the bus going,

if I get off the bus, and by the way, there is no Apple Pay or credit cards or phone. I have no money. So if I get off this bus. You can't get back on. I can't get back on. And I don't know anybody. I don't have money.

I don't have a phone. I'll just have to start walking. Right. Phones required money then. They were pay phones. But there was no, at that point, no sort of code you could put in to bill yourself. It just didn't exist. There were no touchstones.

There wasn't a touchstone. No. So I had this sort of phobia with public transportation. The phobia, most people's phobias, they're going to, like a homeless person is going to stab them. And for me, my phobia is I'm not going to know where to get off and end up in Brighton Beach or something. And so for me, I will happily take public transportation with you, but I will not say a word. You tell me, get up, go over there.

Here we go. Go this way. I'll follow you right through the whole thing, and I have no problem with that, but I will not lead. I get it. Hey, I want to let somebody's calls intrigue me here. I wanted to start with line one. Line one. Line one, Casket Steve from Cincinnati.

Hey, guys. Thanks for the call. Hey. Love the show, of course. Sure. Now, I know you guys love Airplane, but I just watched the movie Airport, Airport 75 and Airport 77 in this last weekend,

and they were awesome. And I forgot how much they inspired Airplane. Have you guys seen any of those recently? Not recently. I think I've seen parts of 75. It came on or something. I said, oh yeah, I'm familiar with this. I will occasionally watch

some of those. No, I cannot say recently. But more recently than the average American, that's for sure. I always remember those movies to me and I watched them all. I watched those movies. I watched Earthquake.

I watched The Towering Inferno. So hang on. Take a beat because people don't understand that was the genre right then. Towering Inferno, all the cameos. O.J. Simpson is in it as a fireman. To me, the whole thing was sort of distilled down to it's like Chuck Heston. Yep. Wearing a headset or in an office or something.

And somebody was saying, like, he's an architect, you know, and they're going to look. You got to play the game, Bob. You cut a few corners. We save a few bucks. Nobody's a wiser. And it'd be like Chuck Heston going, you pompous ass. There's lives involved. You know what I mean?

Like these big statements. Yeah, and then the earthquake hits. Yeah. And then there's an earthquake. Right. Then antics ensue. Right, right. But it was guys with great jawlines telling people they weren't going to do things they wanted them to do because lives were at stake, you know?

Sorry. Yes, Casket Steve. things they wanted them to do because lives were at stake you know sorry yes casket steve the best the best part is that you can uh basically put this on in the background and do some work right and then heston will come out with a god damn it just something right right yeah and then of course george kennedy's all over the place george kennedy's all over the place yeah yeah but they had the fray that you know god damn, they had like pompous ass or something, and they deliver these lines with gusto. I feel like there was a whole sort of tributary from this to like Ice Station Zero because the same kind of actors.

Grey Lady Down. Yes. Chuck Heston's submarine movie. Yeah, exactly. And what was his name? There were there. There were like Robert Mitchum. Oh, not Robert Mitchum. There was Robert Stack. There was like a distant group of those guys that did everything was somehow in the middle of it. The the ship that the Poseidon adventure was sort of in this zone, right? Yeah, yeah, the Poseidon Adventure.

And it was always like two dudes, like Ernest Borgnine and Gene Hackman. And Gene Hackman would be like, we need to go up. Listen, preacher, my wife's down there. You know, it was like this big over-the the top shit with people's eyeballs bugging out and everything yes but but but when you're a kid you're like that's acting it is acting it's acting yeah yeah we should go back and watch those yes yes you guys should watch this and then have a little discussion and like i said i kept wanting to turn to my kids and say remember this from airplane right uh they would shake their heads and not really pay attention yeah that's all And like I said, I kept wanting to turn to my kids and say, remember this from Airplane? Right.

And they would shake their heads and not really pay attention. Yeah, that's all. Getting a millennial or Gen Z to just turn their attention to something like this next to impossible. You can't. They will not sit through it. There was a three-minute segment on Tucker Carlson, and I can't get anyone else to watch it. They get up and walk away you i can't get anyone house to watch it they get up and walk away like they can't do it i don't know if anyone worries about that it seems worrisome

to me that you can't physically show somebody like a three minute segment let them just sort of drifting off yeah and by by the way and they can't watch it without asking a question you know it's like listen there's an epidemiologist that's on here. He's going to talk about COVID origins. Somebody pops up on the screen. They go, who's that guy? It's just Dr. Johnson underneath. Just watch the thing.

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Dan? Ace, man. Dr. Drew, get it on. Get it on. Dan. Love you guys. Ace, man. Dr. Drew, get it on. Get it on. Dan. Love you guys. Thanks, man. Dan, my call is in regards to a conversation you had last week,

which was about Jamie Foxx and his sudden stroke. You know, a healthy guy gets a stroke out of nowhere. I started last year in the real estate business, and I was meeting with loan officers to try to build connections. I had lunch with a guy. He was in his early 40s, young, healthy, nothing wrong with his health at all. About two weeks after I met him, he got a sudden spinal stroke. He woke up in the morning, and his leg had lost feeling. By that afternoon, he got a sudden spinal stroke. You know, he woke up in the morning and his leg was,

had lost feeling. And by that afternoon, he couldn't walk. And I just want to get Dr. Drew's thoughts on that. It just seems so weird. And there's so much anecdotal evidence, you know, that stuff with the vaccine is really affecting young, healthy men. Thoughts on that? Right. And COVID, right? We don't know what's COVID, what's vaccine, what's COVID plus vaccine. And for some reason, because you're not allowed to ask any questions that might implicate vaccine, you're not even allowed to ask what's going on here. So we have that problem. So this sort of periparasis, where you're paralyzed below the waist, is a very special

thing. A lot of people don't know that there's an artery to the spine out of the aorta in and around the lumbar spine area. And the typical thing that causes a stroke there is what's called an aortic dissection. And if you remember, Celine Gounder's husband, who was a journalist, dropped dead suddenly from essentially a dissection or aortic. It might have been an aortic aneurysm. They were a little unclear about it. But there has been now some stuff around aortic pathology post-COVID, post-vaccine.

Shit, I don't know. The other possibility would be an embolus from somewhere. And again, coming from the heart is where most emboli come from, and that's not the direction it typically goes. It goes to the brain. The last thing would be something that comes off the aorta, like a thrombus, like a cholesterol plaque of some type. That typically goes out to the periphery of the leg.

It doesn't usually land at the spinal artery, but it can. So it's just one of those rare things. I'm going to say if I had to bet, if I came in the ER with that, I'd be looking for dissection right away. Interesting. Okay, cool. Yeah, that stuff kind of freaks me out. I was on a deployment and we all got the COVID vaccine when we were over there and it was really untested and no one knew, but we were sort of pressured to get it while we were overseas. And we had a guy that got myocarditis and fell down and had to go to the hospital in emergency care, 35, healthy, young.

And, you know, it just kind of freaked me out a little bit. Well, the good news is, Dan, you're allowed to say now that myocarditis is one of the complications in young, healthy males of vaccine therapy with the mRNA vaccines. You're allowed to say now that myocarditis is one of the complications in young, healthy males of vaccine therapy with the mRNA vaccines. You're allowed to say it now. You were not allowed to say it six months ago. Well, what about Sotomayor and all the kids? Yeah, hundreds of thousands of respirators. You know what it came down to?

If you really just break it down into this kind of social experiment. It was just people saying, I just don't want to do this. And basically with a strong dusting of chick thing going, yes, you are. You're not going to defy me. And it's like, it's not defying you to not want to do this thing. You see, it has to be processed. to not want to do this thing you see it has to be processed right meaning my entire covid experience is you fucking people do whatever the fuck you want if you want to wear a mask wear a mask you wear a mask alone in your car i'll make fun of you but go ahead if you want to get a vaccine then you get a vaccine yeah but it all got and that was me and that was every

fucking healthy non-narcissist on the planet but all the narcissists are like you're defying me well if you don't do this shit it got started i want to talk about this show but it got started with well this is how we're going to end this thing and you're going to prevent illness and transmission yeah yeah for a while that was the 10 minutes except for you get the fucking vaccine but they didn't let go of that right off they didn't let go of that until this day no it was everyone's narcissistic disorder bubbling to the top yes every all roads how long have we said that all right i've said all roads lead to the proper response to anyone else wearing a mask or getting vaccinated is

who gives a fuck? Do whatever you want. It's your body. What are you asking me for? I have no jurisdiction over you. We should have grave concerns about government requiring us to do stuff. I told you I was in France that summer and the French youth were fighting back against us like, hey, you told us this

disease isn't going to kill us. Now you're forcing us to get a vaccine. That is not what this country was founded on. I admired that. I've got to tell you. Go to AdamKrola.com for all the live shows. We're going to be in Vegas coming up. Also Monterey, San Antonio,

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