The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1750 Hollywood Girl Next Door to Top Porn Star

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Adam and Dr. Drew welcome Actress and Adult Film Star Maitland Ward. She was recently on Adam’s podcast and was so lovely and informative that Adam wanted to explore further the intricacies of the industry, and to also obtain a strong female perspective on the porn industry presently and historically. They query if porn really is liberating for women? And with the introduction of Only Fans, how that has affected, more or less, creative control in the sex work industry. They explore catfishing in the porn industry, social media safe spaces vs social media “jail”, and a surprise at what age Maitland became a top porn star. Please Support Our Sponsors: Angi.com

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Dr. Drew's board certified physician. Maitland Ward is joining us. She was on my podcast recently and thought she was very delightful. So we invited her on this program. She's got a book out called rated x how porn liberated me from hollywood maitland of course you know from season six season seven of boy meets world it's kind of a novelty when an actress especially in a sort of younger themed show turns to pornography. And, but we found Maitland to be interesting and, and an open book.

Good to see you, Maitland. Hi, good to see you too again. So Maitland, you know, we, we look,

I guess Drew and I always are a little bit suspicious when we talk to somebody who's in the adult film world. Because as much as we'd like to talk about how it's liberating for women and we give it titles, you know, she's not a prostitute. She's a sex worker, which always sounds bizarre to me. to me uh but then we we we kick some tires and we poke around a little and we find out that um maybe there's more to it than just her wanting to be liberated maybe there was some things that happened things that drove her that direction but and not always not certainly not always just most of the time it's we're we're at about a% of late, but that doesn't mean it is 100%. But be that as it may, it has changed so much now with the OnlyFans and stuff. It's almost a different thing, right?

It has a different quality to it because women seem truly more in control of themselves in this world. Oh, right. Well, Maitland, let's talk about let me lay a theory on you and then Andrew and then you guys then I'll shut up and you guys can you guys can beat it out, as they say in the writer's room. um early in in porn history you know 60s 70s it was sort of college women college students new york artisans you know avant-garde no it's a andy warhol yeah andy warhol sort of folks experimenting with art essentially film and art and everything else. And I don't know, people got paid 20 bucks. You know, it wasn't about money and it wasn't about, oh, I was molested by my stepdad and now I'm acting out. It was more like an avant-garde movement, you know. Then it got sort of industrialized in the 80s and the 90s.

And that's when you saw this greater volume. And then it got sort of industrialized in the 80s and the 90s. And that's when you saw this greater volume. Still a theater, though. You still had to go to a theater. No, no. No, I'm talking about the performers. I'm talking about the performers. Would you listen to the goofball?

Got it. Then it morphed into an industrial complex that sort of needed to be fed and gone were the art students and now enter the runaways who had been molested. Did you see the – gosh darn it, what was the – All right, let me finish. The Ark. But there was a TV scripted series about this, what you're saying. All right. Well, if you can think of the name of it, then you got to chime in. It was James.

Write it down. Do it on your own. Quiet time. All right. Go ahead. Quiet work. Fine. Quiet work.

All right. And then that's Drew in my career. Drew goes, what about this thing? And then I go, okay, now I have to go do it? Think of it and then spit it out. All right. Then it became very kind of dicey and seedy, and everyone seemed like they had abuse in their past

and was running away from something in Iowa. Then in the last 10 minutes, it's been sort of only fans, and now the entrepreneurial part of it is sort of back, and now that's been the arc of, let's just say, pornography, in my opinion. So maybe our role model, maybe our old working model, Drew, from the 80s and the 90s of the abused runaway has given way to the entrepreneur. I think that's exactly right. The Deuce was the name of the series with James Franco.

And it talks about that transition really to VHS and all that stuff. Yeah. So thoughts on that thought, Maitland? Yes. I really think actually the rise of OnlyFans and just the entrepreneurial aspect has changed the industry a lot. And I think the artistic side is coming back to it. I know it is with me. I mean, I do full link feature films that are fully scripted. I, you know, I went to acting awards for them. I, you know, so there is that side of it that there are a lot of filmmakers

that are making these artistic type films anymore that you don't necessarily see when you're looking on Pornhub or or you see, you know, just the stereotypical, maybe more gonzo like type porn where people are just filming at home with their video camera. But there is a whole slew of people and filmmakers who are trying to make these these artistic more type films now but only fans has completely and content in general like making content on only fans and other platforms has completely put the power back in the hand of the performer and especially the woman where she doesn't have to rely on studio work studio work is more something that you do in order to get attention or to get a following or gets people to notice you. And then you bring them over to your content and your only fans, and then you can have a huge base from there. And I think we've really saw that during the pandemic and everything where it just exploded, but literally.

How did you make the, what was the road for you into this? How did that happen? You know, it's funny. People think, oh my God, you went straight from Boy Meets World to porn. And it was such a long journey. I mean, I was on Boy Meets World during the college years when we were very young. I didn't actually become a top porn star till I was 40. So it was such a long journey.

And I actually started out, and people, not everybody realizes it unless they were super fans of mine. Like a year and a half before I even did a professional porn film, I was doing all of my own content. And the reason I got into that was because I enjoyed, like I did sexy cosplay on like social media on Instagram and Snapchat. And I, you know, I enjoyed a little bit of the exhibitionist style. I enjoyed breaking out of that Disney mold because I had been in it for so long. And even if I hadn't been working with Disney and in that and in the industry like that, because I was so severely typecast, like I couldn't play the type of roles that I wanted to play. I was put in this box, being just this Disney star forever. And I really found that as a way to express myself and to just do the kind of stuff that I wanted to do. So I started out by just doing sort of Playboy-esque type photos and stuff for my personal content that I would sell to my fans. And I didn't think it was going to be like, I didn't know who was going to like buy it but I ended up I started on Patreon when I did it at first and it was on a whim just because I kept getting kicked off of Instagram and Snapchat for

like showing a shadow of a nipple or something that could be conceived as sexual in some universe um and so I started selling just these kind of photos to my fans and by like the end of the oh they're lost my iPhone by the end of the first week that i put my stuff up i was like the number one adult creator on patreon and that goes to the entrepreneurial side too i was like i discovered wait a minute i was told for many years i could not play these kind of roles i could not make any money being sexy i could not you, you know, take control of my own business. I had to rely on a big Hollywood studio system. And then all of a sudden, I'm the number one creator on Patreon, making tens of thousands of dollars.

And it just snowballed from there. And then I started, you know, tiptoeing into doing more provocative things. I, you know, I started doing more like solo stuff and seeing how that felt for me. And then I started doing stuff with girls. And then eventually I took the plunge and I because I really wanted to do it and to see what it was like to do it with boys. And so I so I was like just learning and training. So how did you select the partners, the performers? I actually knew.

Well, I worked with some girls and a few of them were adult film stars. One was a lesbian porn star who I did actually international kiss the ginger day with when I was not doing anything porn. I was just doing a cute little social media press kind of thing that was cute because international kiss the ginger day is, is a thing in January. So, um, I found out that a producer friend of mine found out that this girl was a fan of mine. And so I said, let's do it. And I remember we started off by doing just a little smoochy slumber party stuff. And then by the end of it, we were naked in front of a fireplace. Those pictures didn't come out until later.

But I remember her saying to me, you are going to do something in the adult industry because you're just so comfortable and you just enjoy it so much. But long story short, the guys, the two guys that I chose were longtime porn stars, professionals who had been in the industry each about 10 years. And I knew them through like the girls that I had known. So I was introduced like that way. So I knew who they were. Maitland's character, just so you, for reference in Boy Meets World, was Rachel McGuire. You know, it's interesting. You brought something up.

And I'm curious. It's a little off the subject. But, you know, I talk to women a lot. And there's a lot of discussion about I'm comfortable with this. I'm not comfortable with that. There's a lot of like I'm not comfortable. Doesn't have to pertain to pornography. It's kind of a universal thing. I'm not comfortable with this. I'm not comfortable with the guy coming to the house when I'm not there. You know, it's a lot of like, I'm not comfortable with, or I don't want to show up to the wedding unless we bought the gift, you know, and you go, we have a year to buy the gift.

I'm not comfortable. I've realized I have never uttered the phrase. I'm not comfortable. It goes, it's an, it's annoyed adjacent. Yes. Women are annoyed. I've never been annoyed. I've been pissed off. I've been angry. I've been horny. I've never been annoyed. I've been pissed off. I've been angry. I've been horny.

I've been happy, but I've never annoyed. I'm never annoyed. Women are always annoyed and or uncomfortable. We should get a little uncomfortable about being fucking annoyed about everything all the time. But it's an interesting way.

I'm not judging it. i'm just sort of saying it's a difference going through life going i am not what look again you don't have to be in the adult film industry you can be in the housewife a housewife or in the computer industry and just go as a woman not comfortable now i get it It necessitates that because if you're 130 pounds and a bunch of guys walk around that are 200 pounds, then you may not be comfortable at night jogging through the park. Exactly. And that's kind of where it stems from. Yes.

But it is now spread into every facet of comfort, which I don't have. Now, mine is I'm a dude and I grew up in a super low self-esteem environment. We've never talked about that. Hang on a second. Somebody would yell at me, just go get those boxes and put them in the truck and do it now.

I'd go like, fine. I would never go. I'm not comfortable with getting on that scaffolding with that carborundum blade on that circular saw like i i didn't have any comfort right with level with anything all the time you're always uncomfortable all the time but i realized as an adult i've never said but i've been trying to think about it like you know i i don't do things i don't want to do you know if you said during covid you get on that microphone and you talk about how every five-year-old

needs to be vaccinated in the country i would go i wouldn't say i'm not comfortable doing it i just go i'm not fucking doing it i mean i'm not lying or saying things i don't believe yeah so maybe there is something there but it is bigger picture drew you, you, comfort. Well, my, I would say most of my, most of what I'm uncomfortable with involves temperature. Oh, yeah. Like I'm uncomfortable sleeping in a room that's 77 degrees. I want air conditioning. Yeah, yeah.

Me too. That's about all I got in the discomfort. Yeah, pillows. I got a pillow thing as I've gotten older because of my neck and shoulders and too. That's about all I got in the discomfort. Yeah, pillows. I got a pillow thing as I've gotten older because of my neck and shoulders and stuff. That I noticed. I still sleep on a cement pillow, but I noticed it. Right. Sorry to take us down that cul-de-sac, but interesting. But talking to some women that have gone the career path you have gone, one of the areas that kind of interest me is how – I don't know how else to describe this than sort of relational, intimate, connected to your fans you are, right?

That they almost feel a – I'm guessing and I've heard that it's almost a proprietary kind of feeling they fall in love with you some of them and isn't how do you manage that and then how do you deal with them showing up on your doorstep and how tell us some stories about that that's happening well one guy thought he was married to me when he showed up at one of my books right and they had to escort him out but uh that was more because he's been catfished by people that like pretend to be you and that's a huge thing in the industry that people are catfishing fans and acting like they're a guy on 90 day fiance that happened too interestingly he got catfish catfish is woman that's in the porn industry a dude catfished him with her pictures. Yeah, that's what they do. For like four years.

And the dude cannot get over it. He cannot get over it. What do you mean get over it? He has been, the dude has copped to it. The dude has apologized. He, this dude says, no, I was talking to a woman. I know it in my heart. It's not really get over it. Well, I was talking to a woman. I know it in my heart. It's not really get over it.

Well, and then, wait a minute. Then he finds out that this woman that he was masquerading at is a Barbados prostitute or something. I have to go talk to her. Oh, wow. I must go to Barbados and talk to her. The most interesting part about that guy. Oh, you've seen this? The most interesting part about that guy.

You skipped over it. It's the stories that he's coming up in his own head, even though he knows it's a guy. It's like, oh, maybe she was in prison and her husband, she's with her husband again. Or what was the other one? She's been kidnapped and she's being held ransom. I mean, people are. Yes, that's a big thing. What?

Yeah, they think that they have to like pay. Like the porn, the catfishers will say to them, I need to get out of the porn industry, but I can't. You need to pay my way through Google gift cards. What's weird to me about this guy we're talking about, that dude never asked for money. Really? Yeah. It just went on for years. What the hell was he doing?

If he wasn't asking for money, he was getting off on screwing with this guy. It's such an odd impulse to do well it's like where does that come from can we all agree sort of globally that the we are all amazed by the expenditure of energy that people have for things that don't necessarily benefit them and i'm amazed that emmy watches 90 Day Fiat. That to me is a stunning realization. Talk about a waste of energy. It's not my choice.

I thought that was a symptom of how bad COVID was for me and my wife that we went down the rabbit hole and stayed there. But Emmy's there too. No, but on a micro, on a sort of smaller version of that, you know the people that are like the neighbors park the car in front of the other neighbor's driveway and somebody goes i'm gonna get a note and you're like you don't live in that house it's not your car somebody ought to it's like where's the energy where is the energy for that coming i that's a new that's kind of a new thing at this scale on the scale

there was always a shitty neighbor telling somebody you know i had a friend who lived on the west side during covid sadly in like the venice area and he was kind of an avid jogger and he could not jog in venice because people i, he couldn't do it without 18 people wanting to know where his mask was. You know what I mean? And it's like, who are these fucking people? Who are they? You sort of, by locating it in that environment, that population, you've tilted towards a certain

type. Yes. So that's who they must be. But this is different. White narcissist. So that's who they must be. But this is different. White narcissist. But I would not claim that this guy is one of those types of dentists.

No, not one of those, but yet a person who's willing to waste a lot of their time. Oh, a lot. Without any gift cards. No money. I can't believe that. At least my guy got gift cards. So back to my question? How do you manage all that? Cause there's gotta be a part of it.

You know what? There isn't as much as you think. I think there's a lot of horror stories and people think, Oh, the fans are crazy. Most of them are not. Most of them are pretty like, sure. They're enthusiastic and they love their stuff, but I have had most of my fans be pretty respectful. I don't think it's that different from when I was on a soap opera in my early days like um I think the soap opera community and the adult community are very similar it with their fan bases and everything sure they're not seeing full sex on

a soap opera but it's still like love in the afternoon and they get very you know impassioned about their characters and they'll you you know, stop you in grocery stores and just like cry about giving you advice about what to do. And like, they're just very attached to the whole situation. So I think P fans of the adult industry, I mean, while there are people that, you know, totally cross the boundaries and stuff, I don't think that's the majority of them. I think that's what we hear. And that's what we perceive of someone that watches adult adult entertainment because the majority of people that are watching adult entertainment, they don't want to admit that they watch adult entertainment, but they're all watching it. that aren't going to, you know, stalk people like conventions or take things out of bounds aren't going to be the ones coming out and speaking and the ones we see. We see a lot of times the horror stories.

And I think that's a lot true with porn stars, too. I mean, the people that have had terrible pasts and they have had a lot of trouble in the industry or whatever happened with them, they're the ones that like to speak out and loudly about it. And I think there's a lot of, the majority is a lot of normal people that we don't hear from. And I think their voices need to be heard. We need to take a quick break. Be right back with Maitland Ward right after this. Homeowners, you know how much work it takes to maintain that home, whether it's everyday maintenance or repairs or just taking on a dream project in addition to your home.

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I just had one where somebody's asking about the writer strike or the actor strike. She's free of the sex strike. And they uh, she's free. And they want to know, um, this is the time to enter porn actors. What was that about or how that affected me or something? And I said, I've always kind of lived a little outside of the system. Uh, and then I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm in SAG. I'm, I think I'm in the writer's guild, but I couldn't tell you for sure, but I'm in the writer's guild, but I couldn't tell you for sure. But I'm not involved.

I watch the TV set from Hollywood and see people picketing and stuff and have the same take as people with Iowa sitting around watching. It's just like, who are these people? I don't know what they're doing. I'm not involved. I'm not interested. I'm not involved. I'm not interested. But you worked in Hollywood and, you know, it doesn't get much more Hollywoodier than, you know, Boy Meets World or The Bold and the Beautiful or whatever. But there's a lot of cross-pollinization now of people going back and forth. You know, I know it's the sort of kim kardashian world you know you know what i mean like are people just or for christ's sake uh you know arnold

schwarzenegger's the government of the governor of california you know or trump's the president you know there's a lot of mix no one's staying in their lane anymore yeah do you have thoughts about re-entering ho Hollywood, so to speak? Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I definitely think with, you know, my book and everything, I'm working with someone on selling the rights and getting that together after the strike, of course, because that's been, you know, a long nightmare for that. But yeah, I mean, when I was first coming into the industry, like even television actors would never cross the film. It was it was it was separated.

Yes. And so now you're right. Like people are crossing back and forth and it's all now in porn, too. Like I said, with OnlyFans and stuff, it's all about personal branding, building your own persona, social media, like getting your name becomes like your brand, and you can go to like, whatever genre. So I really, I do think that there especially are parts of Hollywood that are very much more open to different types of people and different types of performers, like porn is much more welcome now than Oh, my gosh, if you were talked about 20 years ago, they wouldn't, you know, it was, it was such a secret taboo, but now.

Well, you know, to be honest, it had an underworld quality to it, right? A lot of the males were sort of criminal sociopaths, sort of drug addicts. Well, certainly the people behind the scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I'm just sitting here thinking, thinking, I wonder what Tracy Lourdes thinks about all this. Because she was in that version of it, made it back to sort of regular, so to speak, media. Right. I wonder if she heads back again or what, how she feels about it.

Have you ever talked to her? No, I haven't talked to her. No. And yeah, but I definitely know a lot of performers who have been from back in that era or several performers who definitely talk about, you know, the changes that have taken place. And I think I think the difference is the younger women coming in are so much more empowered. And I really do think that's because of having their social media presence in their their brands and stuff. It's not something that they all have to like hide behind anymore. It's much more of a celebrated thing. Like, like only fans is in the mainstream

media all the time. Like there's it's it's in mainstream stars are doing that. And so I think that it is a different generation. And I think people don't realize behind the scenes too, that women are creating so much of the product that we see, especially the the more like artistic stuff that you're like we were talking about before. And the more, you know, not the gonzo stuff that you just see on Pornhub. It's they're creating a lot more than anybody would ever imagine than I ever imagined when I came in. Anybody would ever imagine than I ever imagined when I came in. Amy, find Bobby Hollander. I got to show Maitland and Dr. Drew Bobby Hollander.

You know, Bobby Hollander? No, I don't think. Well, I think he represents the era you were talking about as a sort of porn impresario kind of i don't know producer director he wasn't a actor it's gonna be good he's a he's a name from from my past he's uh sadly not with us anymore that was the other thing a lot of people died from that uh yeah he didn't get aids or anything. He just didn't. No, he made it. He probably made it to the ripe old age of 71, 72 or something like that. Now, Maitland, if you heard

the name Bobby Holland. No, I don't know who Bobby Holland is. See, it's so sad. There are a lot of guys playing for the 85 Bears, Drew, who didn't know Ditka played in the league. You know what I mean?

I knew that. I knew that. No, I'm saying that's how the young people are. Yeah, yeah. All right, I'll play you. This is just the little Bobby Hollander. This is him promoting his new film, The Personal Touch. Oh, boy.

This is like, what year? Hi. You thought it was 1977. My name is Bobby Hollander, and I'd like to introduce you to a tape called The Personal Touch. Now, The Personal Touch is something different in home entertainment. It's strictly adult. It's strictly ex. And it's hot.

It's so hot, it's going to blow your balls off. It's going to want to ex, and it's hot. It's so hot it's gonna blow your balls off. It's gonna wanna make you wet your panties. It's gonna wanna make you reach in and grab it. It's gonna wanna make you cumber it on your television screen. Around your television screen. The personal touch means personal touch. Not on it. It stars Shauna Grant, Sharon Mitchell, Paul Thomas, Ron Jeremy, Dominique,

a newcomer to the screen, Gene Hollow. The personal touch was shot on videotape to give you the finest quality and adult entertainment. It's going to let you, the home viewing audience, get out of your bed. Where were you? Out of the bar. And you guys that are watching it in a bar are going to be into the bathroom in a minute, pulling your wang wang. I don't mean to say it in an obscene way, but we wanted to make it that way. Shauna Grant in this film stars you've seen in penthouse. You've seen in swank, high society, chic, hustler, velvet.

You've jerked off to her in Genesis and Gallery. All those magazines, do they still exist? She's young, she's blonde, and she has a body that'll blow you away. She's going to tell you how you can write to her personally and get a free black and white, personally autographed photo of her just by sending your name and address. It's no hoax, it's no joke. And we know the personal touch is hot.

What do you figure, they sort of add this to some other film, like a promo at the end or the beginning or something? Hold on, Jeff. Husbands, whip five on yourself. What do you figure? They sort of add this to some other film, like a promo at the end or the beginning or something. Hold on. Husbands, whip five on yourself. Do it lubricated. What the hell? But this tape is designed to make you want to do it.

It's directed to you. All right. I feel like I need a shower. What the hell? Jesus Christ. But did anybody ever win that photograph photo? I don't know. I'm suspicious.

So, Maitland, this is the guy you would have had to have worked with. Oh, yes. If you'd gotten into this business 40 years earlier, you would have had to take direction from Bobby Hollander. And Bobby would have told you, we need a black and white headshot. And we're going to give a P.O. box and receipt. It needs to be hot.

It's got to be hot. It's the best. I'm a genius. Do you understand? Because I find this stuff. How do you know? How did you? What was your exposure to that asshole? And when?

All right. If I must. Yeah. That's a hole in wind. All right. If I must, my father did not own a VHS player, pornography, a Playboy, penthouse, or any form of alcohol. Did he have a heartbeat? And was not a Jehovah's Witness.

Like, what I'm saying, an atheist. But what I'm saying is, whose dad has no porn tapes, no magazines, not so much as a bottle of fucking Smirnoff on a rack somewhere or a Bud Light in the house and has no religious affiliation whatsoever. Just a dude. With nothing. So I couldn't get a hold of anything. My buddy Donnie, his dad had a couple of tapes. And he had a VHS player. Yeah. So I couldn't get a hold of anything. My buddy Donnie, his dad had a couple of tapes. Okay. And he had a VHS player.

Okay. And one of them was Sex Boat. Fine. Was that like After Love Boat? The other was, I don't know. Simultaneously. There's one called Weekend Roulette. And then there was Bobby Hollander Presents.

You know, whatever. And would he speak at the beginning of it? I remember a tape on a shelf when they used to rent them at the video house. It was like Bobby Hollander's porn bloopers. So I remember this name, Bobby Hollander. It was like a name in my head. And about two years ago, I just showed up here at work and I was like, Bobby Hollander was like a name in my head. And about two years ago, I just showed up here at work and I was like, Bobby Hollander. We got to do a deep dive on Bobby Hollander.

I got to find out where he is, what his real name is. Is he alive? What did he produce? And so we went and found this stuff. But yes, you would have been taking direction from Bobby Hollander and lost all autonomy back in the day. Times have changed. He would have wanted you to do a lot of things you weren't comfortable with. I don't know.

You know, I've seen some of the boys before scenes are you were talking about guys not being not uncomfortable or whatever. Some of the requests that they make ahead of time, don't touch my balls this way. Don't, don't lick this. Don't do that. They're very specific. Oh, really? Oh, that's interesting. Yes. But I think it's, I think it's aimed at the fact that they need to, you know, keep hard and that, you know, they, they know what's in their space. Like a lot of times, unless we're doing something very very um elaborate i don't really have like uncomfortable like i'm like no it's it's pretty good just don't as long as it's not

something like extremely bdsm or something i'm pretty comfortable with most of it um the book rated x how porn liberated me from hollywood is maitland ward's uh book. I can be found in Portland, Oregon at Helium Comedy Club, July 28th and 29th and then I'm all over the place. Wisconsin, Honolulu, blah, blah, blah, blah. What do you got, Drew? DrDrew.com, get After Dark there

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