The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1759 Men Are From Mars...

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Dr. Drew & Mark Geragos delve into both of their careers with engaging conversations such as Mark’s experience currently representing the Menendez Brothers. From Dr. Drew we hear all about his “Loveline” callers and how that demographic has transitioned to his current show, “Dr. Drew After Dark”. He concedes which sex becomes more obsessed in general, and also a rise in certain young men replacing relationships with porn and prostitution.

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or wherever you listen to your podcast. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Mark Garagos and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Mark and Dr. Drew Show. If we ever do do a show together, I want that intro. I want that intro, too, because it makes me laugh every time. And Emmy gets a, it's funny. You like it, don't you? I love that. He's so proud of himself.

He did well. You know, this has been quite a week. Yeah, I think the seltzer drinks he gave me is jacking me up a little too much. Well, either that or it's the natural enthusiasm natural enthusiasm the love we share yes it's a it's true i miss you and i don't talk to you enough clearly the you know there's so many things going on that i always think kind of like what adam says he looks through a legal lens i always i always think of when i'm talking to you just a kind of that broad panoramic cultural analysis. And, you know, I was talking to somebody in our neighborhood who was worried about his 14-year-old going into the South Pasadena school system.

And I said, well, why? And he says, because everybody is now bisexual there. There. There. And I said, South Pasadena, that's interesting. And I've heard this from others, too, about the upswing in trans and transitioning. For sure. Big, big, big.

And upswing in what is now the bi world. What do you attribute that to? No idea. I think – Are we evolving? Maybe. I mean, is there – The thing that concerns me the most about all this stuff, I really have like no concern about it except that –

I know. I mean, by the way, I have no concern in the sense – No horse in the race. Neither of us have a horse in the race. Exactly. Like they all thrive. Everyone should thrive. I want them to thrive and I don't care and I'm not in their bedroom.

Yeah. And maybe this is evolution. But the one pushback I would say is I was trained and I believe to be the case that having a stable, integrated identity is the nature of mental health. And when people say things like, I'm just fluid today, I'm this, tomorrow I'm that, I just hear, uh-oh, because that's what you would go work on in a mental health setting. It's like you don't have a stable sense of yourself, even your sexuality. I mean to have a complete, stable, bisexual identity, got it. But I don't know. Today I'm this.

Tomorrow I'm that. I'm zebra. I'm not even – I'm like whatever. It's like, oh, boy. Oh, boy. That cannot be good well so that's my concern the reason i brought it up in whether it's evolving is um just the idea maybe it's the plastics maybe it's the uh well you know i've got i'm representing the menendez

brothers oh yeah so you know and I lived through that. I didn't represent them back in the 90s. And I just remember, for those who aren't in the weeds, trial number one, Leslie Abramson was able to put on a full-throated defense of the brothers. Because of the trauma. Because of the trauma and the abuse. Yeah. And the jurors and she wasn't arguing for acquittal people don't understand that what she was arguing for is this

is imperfect self-defense this is manslaughter they did what they did because of the trauma and and she she kind of led the jury there and the majority of the jurors did not think it was murder and voted for manslaughter interesting What happened between trial number one and trial number two, guess what? OJ is acquitted and there is a district attorney's race. And the next thing we know, same judge in this second trial is now excluding any evidence of the abuse. And the only thing he would allow them to put on was really kind of trivial stuff. I mean, there was in the first trial evidence that there was a rule that if the father was in the bedroom with the son, you couldn't go down the hallway. And the family knew about this.

You know, we're okay with this, so to speak. Trial number two. Okay with it. and were okay with this, so to speak. Trial number two. Okay with it. Yeah, okay with it. Can you imagine if Susan is saying, okay, you're in the room and I can't go down the hall right now. What? What world are we in? So then trial number two, they eliminate the abuse, eliminate meaning the judge says it's excluded, and then pulls the jury instruction for imperfect self-defense.

And guess what happens? Allows the DA to argue it was an abuse excuse. These were rich kids, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. I remember they kind of went down that path of spoiled kids. And that was the way – because this DA at that point needed a win. I mean it was – I think Chris Darden, who suffered through the OJ acquittal, said, boy, did they job these kids the second time around. I think – and this is what I wanted to ask you about.

I'm sorry it was so long. We didn't get there. But back then, right at the same time, I was trying cases where it was the victim was a female. One case, it was a wife, and she ended up being accused of murder of her husband. Another was a molestation. I could use theories back then in the 90s and the judge would give me those, you know, imperfect self-defense, battered woman syndrome, whatever you want. I think a lot of people were willing to go along with the DA's office in trial number two. It was actually trial number three. There were two juries in the first. But I

think because the idea of male onon-male was incomprehensible. Male-on-male sexual abuse. Yeah. Yeah. And do you find that? Do you think that society or culture has evolved in that sense? In terms of understanding that it happens a lot? Understanding that it happens.

Well, it's gotten weirder. We're now – people are trying to defend it as just an orientation. So, yes, we have evolved. We have changed. But it's an interesting – from a legal standpoint, it's interesting to me. Like I told you, I've done my first expert witness thing now. It's been very interesting. And to be allowed the imperfect – what's it called?

Trevor Burrus Imperfect self-defense. Trevor Burrus Imperfect self-defense. You're doing something that objectively may not be reasonable because you could be acquitted. But what it does, it acts to mitigate. Trevor Burrus And it's something that you can understand as something people might do in these extraordinary circumstances. might do in these extraordinary circumstances. That should be allowed so a jury can consider the alternatives to that, which is maybe this is a rich kid or maybe – or have the prosecutor present this is a very common thing and yet

people still don't murder because of it. But what's that data? And then you bring your expert witness in and say, well, here's where it does happen. To me, that seems like a reasonable argument back and forth well it also goes back to two episodes ago when we were talking about it's a you know the whole reason for a courtroom and for experts is to have an exchange of ideas and be able to evaluate yes i and if you don't allow this this particular defense you never start the argument, never start the exchange. Right.

So where are we going? And, you know, I've said something that – So it either happened or it didn't. Well, it did. And by the way, now we know that there was another victim, the declaration from the band member of Minuto who was also apparently and filed declaration under penalty of perjury that had raped him too. Yes, yes.

And that's – and then I – By the way, there was an epidemic of that stuff in the 80s and 90s. There was a lot of it going on. I share about it all the time on Loveline. Really? So much. Talk to me about that. It was just everywhere.

And it wasn't just males on males. It was girls. I mean the average Loveline caller was a sexual abuse survivor. I mean, the average Loveline caller was a sexual abuse survivor. You know, Adam had told me that, that it was – and it was usually a relative. The ones we spoke to, yeah. Well, I will tell you in my experience – so if you have bad enough addiction that you need to see me, there's 100 percent probability that you have childhood trauma. That's what I say.

And that is typically like a trifecta. It's usually physical abuse, sexual abuse. And the sexual abuse comes in not just from family and siblings and aunts and uncles and cousins. I've seen all that. But also if the kid's being sort of abandoned, neglected in the home, the neighbors then take advantage of them. Usually neighbors come in and start to abuse these kids. So there is proximity in all this typically. You know, Loveline doesn't get, in my humble opinion, enough credit.

For what it was. Yeah, for what it was. It seems like it suddenly is. There's a resurgence. Why is that? I don't know. Emmy, can you help me with this? Why is Loveline sort of coming back as a – People are stopping me in the street to talk about it. When I

mentioned my friendship with you... That's where they go now, right? They go to Loveline. That was not always... No, it was Celebrity Rehab. It was Celebrity Rehab for two decades. Exactly. What happened to change that? And I wonder, this is my question amongst, if you have

a theory, why Emmy, but the other is is it giovanni is it the classic love lines that are being pushed out there it could be geo but in my honest opinion i feel like today we need love line more than ever because there's so much more exploration there's so much more people say that to me all the time i do something like that called dr drafter dark it's really that is what that is essentially It's that show. So you do it. It kicked me because I don't listen. But I think I've appeared once. None of this one. No, no.

This is what I do in Austin. So is that basically a single, you as a single host taking calls? It's me and a comedian, typically. It's me and a comedian, and we take calls. And I do emails, and I do voicemails, and it's all the same stuff. It's all the Loveline stuff. And it has a totally different quality than back in the day, different quality entirely. Now, just to get into it, now it is – everyone knows everything, right?

Then you remember I really started because of HIV and AIDS and no one had heard of that. Nobody had heard of it. I mean the panic back then if you didn't live through it. Another one. A disease with a 100% fatality rate. Not a 1%, a 100%. I remember vividly. Very different thing.

And there was a period of time when nobody made the distinction between HIV and AIDS. I mean, that was it. Yeah, yeah, sure. Or HTLV-3, as we called it. Right. So now it's a lot of confusion. Like, I know what this, I know what that is, and they still have no way to sort of trust their judgment or go to a source that they can rely on. So how old would you say, or who's the demographic for Dr. Drew After Dark?

It's predominant. Men in their 30s, I'd say. Men in their 30s. Yeah. But that's not what Lo. It's predominant. Men in their 30s, I'd say. Men in their 30s. Yeah. But that's not what Loveline's demographic was. Loveline was 16 to 30, probably, men and women. But those are the same people now. Yeah.

Well, some of them, I think those are more 40 and 50-year-olds, and those are calling, too. Trust me. But here's a crazy change. Oh, my God. It has changed a lot. Now it is men feeling terrible about themselves. Really? And fearful that – fearful of, God forbid, going out to a date with a woman and either of you consuming alcohol because that's immediately a rape.

Being seen of as toxically masculine or rapey or me too. All that stuff is on their mind constantly. I don't want to be seen as. I don't want to be seen as. So that prevails all the way through college essentially except for about 10% of them. 10% are having a good time. But the rest is like very worried and preoccupied and they do not date and they

do not form relationships. Because of the fear factor. It seems to be. And also their male self-worth is sort of down right now. They just don't have the, there's no eye of the tiger. Plus you'll hear, well, there's something like this is a very common thing. Like, well, you know, I want to date her. But it's okay. It's okay. I have my pornography. And girls are tough.

They're difficult. And I have porn. I have porn. I'm fine. And now they hunker down with their porn, and they miss the developmental milestones of learning how to date and form relationships and break relationships. What I was starting to see at one point was guys getting obsessed.

With the porn? No, no. Around age 25, they'd find one girl, they'd get obsessed with her, and they'd get weirdly like they didn't know how to navigate their obsession. You know, that's interesting because I often joke, and I probably shouldn't joke, that when I get those kinds of cases, which usually end up in a restraining order and then craziness, that I said, geez, they would have criminalized Romeo and Juliet. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, that was fatal love addiction. Love addiction can be very, very dangerous. But even we've moved on past that a little bit. We've moved on past that now. And for the first time, I'm starting to hear from young males that they're going to prostitutes. Really? Yes. Wow.

Isn't that interesting? And that is interesting. And what do you attribute that to? That's kind of because they don't have to do the work? It's just – what are they going to do? They don't have the skill set. They don't have the skill set to navigate It's just – what are they going to do? They don't have the skill set. They don't have the skill set to navigate or they just – they feel bad. Did you hear that back in the day?

Never, never. This is a new phenomenon in terms of it getting through to me at least. Obviously, people have been doing this. Yeah, but on Loveline, you guys were doing a billion shows. I mean essentially never. I mean essentially never. I mean occasionally but essentially never. And so that's fascinating. Isn't it I mean, essentially never. I mean, essentially never. I mean, occasionally, but essentially never. And so that's fascinating.

Isn't it weird? It's wild. And so there's all this unhappiness, interpersonal unhappiness. This whole thing. And then COVID made it all much worse. Much worse. I had not heard about that in the least. You won't hear about it but even me because it kind of gets through to me first before anybody else hears about it.

And I don't know how big a trend it is or how big it's going to be. I just notice a change. And I continue to urge them to please date, form a relationship, reach out. And then the women, this is now the next layer to this because I'm having these conversations with 40-year-old women now are like, where are men? Why don't they – what are they doing? Going to other countries. Really? Yes.

Oh, this is a – what a dynamic. It's crazy, right? What a dynamic. And the men are going to other countries too because they find more receptive sorts of – the women aren't as difficult on them as they will say. That's how they say it. That's how they view it. Yeah, that's how they view it.

God, that's just, that's an amazing turnabout. Yeah. I mean, how old are you? I am 36. Do you see any of that stuff I'm talking about? I've seen stuff, yeah. Some of that. That's new.

That's a new thing. That's all new. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the fact that you hadn't heard about it back in the day. For 35 years I'd never heard about it. It suggests something. Talking about the culture either evolving or devolving, that's a pretty – what do you attribute this to?

I mean, I'm going to speculate that you think it has to do with kind of some of the cultural phenomena that have happened in the last 10 years? Well, it certainly started with this men being told they're bad and then women taking that on and hitting them over the head with it and men being fearful of being seen as toxic and dangerous and rapey if they're interested in somebody. They really – they're very confused about it. And I'm not saying everybody. I'm saying for the first time, this is the kind of stuff that gets through to me.

Which is fascinating. Somebody will pull a clip out of this and say, all of a sudden, Drew's saying blah, blah, blah. No, no. I'm saying a lot of things come across my desk or my headphones, and when something new happens, it catches my attention. I see the change. Well, the males going to prostitutes all of a sudden becoming a thing is interesting to me. And again, not that it's necessarily a thing. Right.

It's something I had never heard a male bring up before in all those years of doing those phone calls. Rarely. Maybe. Never that I can remember. And now it's kind of like, oh, this is an option for them. And what do you advise? What do you advise them when they call? That you need to get a relationship.

You need to learn how to date. You need to learn how to build relationships. Are you too late at that point? I don't think so. No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. But I do think it's – who knows how difficult it is to retool those skill sets that they should have been developing from 16 to 28. That's what I wonder. I think it's possible. I don't think it's a big, big deal.

So I've been – but I've been yelling about dating and relationships and I'm doing it for 20 years. It's much like the homeless thing. It's another thing I've been yelling about. I'm just saying, just go ahead and hang out with people. Don't worry about anything. I used to attack it from the angle of the hookup culture because my position was if hooking up, random hookups are the cornerstone experience of your college experience, why do you always have to be fucked up to do it?

Always. You're always loaded. There's always alcohol. And I would ask that in big rooms of college students. And what would they say? I'd ask the men first. And the men would go, well, I really, really, really want to do this. And it's a tall order.

And I might get rejected. And I might hurt somebody's feelings. I just want to liquid courage and sense you what they would say. I really, really want to do this. Then, ladies, silence. The room just goes silence. They don't even know what the men are thinking. They had no idea.

Then somebody will raise their hand. It's always the same way in every room. It was crazy. Somebody would go, they're beer goggles for me too. I want to be able to – I go, okay, fine. Anybody else? Quiet. Quiet again.

So I go, okay, fine. Anybody else? Quiet. Quiet again. And somewhere in the first third of the auditorium, always, a girl will coyly raise her hand and go, well, I want to make sure essentially I don't feel anything when I have this hookup. I went, oh, that's different, isn't it? I didn't hear any of that from the men. They want to feel everything. Right.

You want to make sure you don't have any feelings. How sad that you as a female have to suppress your natural feelings that emerge in an intimate context because you think you should be able to do it randomly the way everyone tells you you should. You should be doing it because then there's a sociological collective issue there that's also gender-based. Except there's a biology here. Right. And the biology is almost being denied at some point. Almost being denied. Men and women are not being denied as different.

Right. The biology has been completely denied. That was back when we could talk about differences. And so it's been a thing. It's an evolution. It's concerning. Have you done college campuses recently? No, don't do them anymore.

At all? No way. No, I don't want to deal with that. Do you want to deal with that? Would you want to get out there? No, I used to do law schools. Yeah. And I used to enjoy law schools.

I used to do medical schools too. You know, as it got progressively unpopular to think in a nuanced way on legal issues, because it's infected the law. I mean you can – I give you a hundred examples of Yale Law School and all their notorious problems and Stanford Law School and their problems. Black-white thinking, by the way, is the foundational thinking of narcissism. And I would argue that is the fundamental feature of what has transpired. Well, one of the things, you know, you and I have talked about the scientific method. One of the things that I loved about the legal analysis was you would get two opposing viewpoints and then you would be trying to convince the person who's adjudicating.

Or you're trying to develop a nuanced legal theory. An argument, right? And here you can't even articulate the argument without getting shouted down. Correct. Or being told what you're saying is blasphemy. I think I told you a couple shows ago that I'm reading Lennon's biography. Yeah, I haven't picked it up yet.

It was his technique. His technique was to ad hominem and yell him down. And he was expert at it. And he coached everybody else up on that. It's just... It's not healthy, which is how the prism I look through everything.

It's really unhealthy. And then we also talk about what has happened to the liberal arts education. I can't even – I stopped supporting my college. I don't recognize them anymore. I don't recognize them. And that's something because you were huge. I was very supportive because it was a foundational experience in my life. It really changed everything.

And by the way, it taught you to think. How to think. How to think. How to think. And I remember kind of becoming a freshman, turning around and seeing all these – I thought I was the smartest guy in the room. Then I go there and it's like, shit, I was a salutarian. These guys are all valedictorians. I, by the way, looked around and I thought, oh, my God, Emily Dickinson is in the room with me.

Who wrote that? Holy shit. But the interesting thing about that is that so many of the arguments and kind of the polarization of ideology that I see now, we talked about 50 years ago. With disdain. Yeah. With abject disdain. Well, McCarthyism was that. Right. Yeah. With abject disdain. Well, McCarthyism was that. Right.

Yeah. It was the singular organizing idea that we all – everyone agreed that's bad when that happens. And now it's – What? It's – the world has been somewhat – and by the way, I'd like to think – I'd like to think that the liberal arts education and that kind of – which emphasize critical thinking in the word critical meant something. That's why you can look back and you can make kind of nuanced or reasonable arguments saying, oh, no, you've turned the world on its head or no. That isn't cultural relativism at all.

And then what do you and I do? We start looking back in history like this is not right. Something's wrong here. There's got to be a reason. There's got to be a precedent. It must happen to humanity. Oh, my God, we're experiencing it again. They're not thinking that way.

Yeah, and that's a real – I mean that was one of the things that I think gave us kind of a unique perspective. I think, gave us kind of a unique perspective. And by the way, as a STEM person, you were in pursuit of the truth. Right. Now truth is something that old white men think about, and it's not because it's from old white men, it has no value. Yeah, and it's bothersome in this sense. It doesn't allow you to look at something and also be introspective in the sense that, wait a second, this argument does have some – the idea of changing your mind. Back to South Pasadena.

I know. I change my mind all the time and I value it. I love that. That's what I want about discourse. I want my mind to change. The mind grows when it changes. it. I love that. I want my mind to change. The mind grows when it changes. But back to South

Pasadena High School, again, no thought about what's happening to them. It's just reinforced and it's socially, you know, they get a big credit for it, socially get reinforced for it, and it's on. No thought, no introspection. So where do you,

what's your prediction then? You haven't ever seen anything like this. Not in my So where do you – what's your prediction then? No? You haven't ever seen anything like this? Not in my lifetime. Not in your lifetime. I mean that's why I keep starting to read history. If you remember, when I wrote my book on narcissism, I wanted to do a chapter on pre-revolutionary France because that was the only period of history I could find with all the narcissism, the child trauma, particularly the sexual traumas.

And I thought, well, there's going to be scapegoating and guillotines. I was right. Turns out that's the cancellation thing. I just knew that was coming. That's how narcissism is. That's so interesting. So play that out. OK.

So when you look at groups of people that have a lot of trauma and have a lot of narcissistic injury and have narcissistic personality structures, there's a lot of trauma and have a lot of narcissistic injury and have narcissistic personality structures, there's a lot of underlying rage. And that rage starts to act out. It starts to come at one another if they're not careful. So they manage that by gathering as a mob and focusing the rage on one. Social media. I didn't know what social media.

It hadn't been invented yet. It hadn't been invented. But that is a perfect public square for the guillotine. It's perfect. We've created this environment for the narcissist to act out. Why didn't you include that in the book? Because they thought it was too speculative. It was 15 years ago.

And yeah, they were like, no, no. Pinsky's out of his mind. And who knows how I would have constructed it because I was struggling with scapegoating. I really thought scapegoating was coming. So that's – so social media and the kind of the mob and then you're looking at the public square. The public square has now been amplified obviously. But the – is there a totalitarian aspect to this as well?

So you coyly bring that word up, but that's the strange direction where I don't – well, yes, in the sense that there is a – yes, I guess there is. That's what I'm thinking. As you're talking about it, that would seem to be the morphology of it. Well, first of all, you give people power and they go wild with it, right? Right. Because that's, again, the narcissism. Lord of the flies.

Yeah. And so I've had people screaming at me, where are my papers? When I try to walk into my hospital, it's like, what? Confusing. Does that feel right to scream like that? Do you enjoy that? Yes, it did, the power. But a guy named Mark Changizi, C-H-A-N-G-I-Z-I.

He's got a Twitter. You can find him on YouTube and stuff. I will. And he has a – he's a cognitive psychologist. And his thing is we've been in a mass psychosis, this delusional sort of hysteria. been in a mass psychosis, this delusional sort of hysteria, and it's then in the face of hysteria that the psychopaths and the sociopaths move in. He said – he goes, it feels like there's somebody manipulating this because it's so uncanny.

He goes, no, no, no. This is what happens to humans. There's always thousands of psychopaths and sociopaths waiting to step in. Because that is inherent in the biology. They just want to take over. They want to exert their power and they want to get everything for themselves. That's fundamentally what they want to do. And when people are in a hysteria, that's when these people can move in and start to do it.

So that's the totalitarian part, I think. That's the totalitarian. Yeah. So have you overlaid that in your book or in your writings? No, this is new. This is new. This is new for me. Can't we do a historical examination of that?

Of where that's happened before? Right. In the U.S. In the U.S. I feel like it's a – Japanese internment is the first thing that would come to mind for me. Well, whenever there's a hysteria, right? Right.

Yes. 9-11. Yeah. The post 9-11. Yeah. The post 9-11. I think you could go back and you could – I wonder if 1812 was more of a thing than we know. You know what I mean? Because 1812 was the war that was forgotten.

Right. There's a reason for that. I always think – I mean we sing our national anthem because of the war of 1812. And that was the only invasion this country ever suffered. They burned the White House down and we forgot about it. We completely wiped it out. The only reason I thought about it recently is I'd watched a movie where the painting of the White House burning was prominently displayed. And that had reminded me about that as well.

So there might be – maybe there was a big hysteria. And that's your 1812 and then Pearl Harbor are an intro. Pearl Harbor's another one. And 9-11. But 1812, we had to look at what happened politically after that for 20 years, say. Yeah. Because I think that was a shock. I wonder, that would be a good historical kind of retrospective.

1822. But 1822 is when Alexis de Tocqueville got here. Right. And democracy was working. Also what I was going to tell you, how do we work in de Tocqueville? Who also said the only threat to America? Is us. Us.

Yeah. But by 1822, it was all functioning pretty well, except for the South, where he took aim at the slavery and was like, that's your problem. I was like, no kidding. Yeah. Tell me about it. That's why. Okay.

So we got something to think about for our next show. Yes. Yeah. Thanks, Emmy. Emmy, thank you. And by the way, I want you to know, we didn't do one thing on here. Not one. Wait, wait.

Let's do one thing before we go. How's LA Magazine doing? Oh, my God. Tell me about that. And do you do a little bit on In-N-Out Burger? Well, I will tell you, you know, LA Magazine, we've got a new editor-in-chief,

Shirley Halperin. We've got this spectacular investigative reporter, who, by the way, must have killed the LA Times because last week she broke a story on the city hall leaking and she named who was under suspicion and the Times had to credit LA Magazine. Oh, good.

I love that. But by the way, make her listen to these interviews we just did and see if she wants to do some investigative work off the shit we've been talking about. I wouldn't mind bringing her on for a Mark and Drew. Can you play that little clip for me again? Which one? Oh, the intro? Yeah.

Can you play that just for a second? Just so we can partake. Yeah, just so I can laugh on my way out the door. Oh, my God. That'd be so hard. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Mark Garrido and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Mark and Dr. Drew Show.

And so we leave with a smile on our face. A smile on our face and hopefully we reprise this very soon. Yes, we've got to do some stuff soon. Great to see you, my friend, and we'll see everyone else. Thank you. Mahalo. See you next time. stuff soon. So great to see you, my friend. And we'll see everyone else. Mahalo.

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