The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1764 Navigating Class vs. Race

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Adam and Dr. Drew start the show off with Adam mentioning his guilty pleasure; the newest ‘Sex and the City’ much to Dr. Drew’s surprise. Adam shares a specific scene that annoyed him which leads to discussions about racism vs class issues. Adam also admits that some of these modern day narratives would make it impossible for him to work in a writer’s room today. They finish the show reminiscing about some of ‘The Love Boat’ music. Please Support Our Sponsors: Shopify.com/adamanddrew

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Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. I'm trying to get it on. Oh, Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. Get it on. Get it on. Here's a thought for your head. And people need to think this way because it's a sort of clear way to think.

There's a story out of Portland where they're basically telling the portland school board no more zeros you know what i mean no more you know you got a grade this way ever you know the usual stuff right i mean the stories we've heard before yes just change the grade no failing people no given zeros no f's no no d minuses just make no bad vibes just equity right and then they get into it and they go well the reason we need to do this is um implicit bias oh yeah that the teacher is gonna see the black child and then penalize them yeah uh not the as Asian or the Jew, but maybe the Hispanic, but the black job. And it's implicit bias, right? Let's really think, let's focus on implicit bias here for a second. Everyone, close your eyes and let's picture the average school teacher in Portland Unified School District.

It's a woman. She's under 30, and she presumably hails from the Portland area. This person was born in 1997. How much implicit bias is baked in to that woman who wants to be a school teacher and it hails from the Portland area in 2023? What I love – You're calling her racist, but is that what we're – What I love is that even if she's Native American, black, or Hispanic, she is still racist. Right. It's not just whitey anymore it's everybody all right

so how much baked in bias and racism is there to the person that was born in the late 90s who decided to be a school teacher in portland who's a female and is probably down with every retarded cause you've ever heard in your life right yeah um so that's what you're saying you're saying that's that's what she she the 24 year old chick who hails from the portland area is gonna go oh this is a black child i'm gonna just downgrade this yes this test score well they're not also aren't some of the tests just like spelling tests and math tests like how would you well they're saying that, the way she approached that child, underprivileged child, was she didn't teach him properly

because she didn't think he could manage because she was biased against him. And so, therefore, he underperformed. And then I started thinking about, like, L.A. cops. And, by the way, they are the very people going, you can't expect, they're the very ones doing that bullshit rather than asking them to, let's get it going to let's get it going let's get it going la cops ones out there writing the tickets and patrolling stuff uh minority white male at this point yes so again the implicit bias in the cops well they have to

include it in everybody yeah you're now you're including his including Hispanic women who are riding in the patrol car who are LAPD. It's the only way to keep that going. How else do you keep that going? And then New York cab drivers who aren't picking up the black man. Those people are racist with implicit bias, except they're not from this country. Right. They're from Bangladesh. Right.

That's right. So what do they know? And what do you know that they know i told you um amy there's that scene i told chris about he probably has it from uh and just like that oh here it is i was telling drew i was watching one of my favorite shows and just like that that's sex in the city do you like it oh yeah seriously yeah why i don't know it's like good acting good characters interesting arcs and i'm gonna have to watch it because i've been it's a little obnoxious i'm so i had my ass full of sex in the city a long time ago and i it's it's a little woke and a little stupid, but I file it under guilty pleasure. And Samantha, is she in this season?

She not in it? I don't know. She's reportedly making a cameo. She's on the phone. She's 67 years old. She should be a grandmother in this series. I know. Look, just take it for what it is.

All right, all right. I'll check it out. These guys are in a posh townhome, or I shouldn't say townhome, but building, apartment building, condo, probably own it, in Manhattan with the doorman and the whole nine yards, right? Yeah. I mean, I've seen their unit as portrayed in this thing. It's $11 million. Yeah. All right.

So the super rich black man goes out to try to hail a cab. Now, when you see him, you may not know he's black. He's light skinned and he's bald. And he just doesn't possess visually a lot of that. Oh, it's a black guy. Especially if you're in a cab driving along the street. You could think that he was Middle Eastern very easily. It's sort of the Colin Kaepernick thing.

When his hair was short, he wasn't dressing like Malcolm XXX. He just looked like a Syrian cab driver. You know what I mean? He didn't have a lot of African-American features, so to speak. And this guy doesn't either. The sun is shining. He's got his daughters with him

who are dressed to the nines. He's dressed to the nines with a pocket square and everything else. He's stepping out of the most expensive pieces of property in Manhattan and he's going to try

to hail a cab at three in the afternoon. The doorman do it, for one thing. Is that part of what he's getting dissed about? Here we go. Hurry, Daddy, get a cab. We don't want to miss the bus.

Does this man even look black to you? Taxi! From here. Oh, no. He really does look Syrian or something. That's so funny. Daddy, here comes one. But he does look, he looks kind of gruff, though.

You know what I mean? We'll give him one know what I mean Well now he looks good Now he looks very kind When he talks to his kids It's the white daddy I've never seen white cab driver? I've never seen a cab driver that looks like that. No. In New York.

Sir. Ever. This is illegal, so unlock the door or I'll report you. Hey! And by the way. Hello! I've had plenty of cab drivers ignore me. Plenty.

All right. So it's white guys, middle-aged white guys, not picking up dressed to the nines black men with their daughters wearing their Easter dresses. In the middle of the day, in the middle of the expensive... On Park Avenue. On Park Avenue. Is that how it works? Now, first things first. In order to perpetuate this retarded myth, you need two things.

You need the black guy not getting the cab but the cab driver must be a white guy right i don't know i don't know when the last time i had a white cab driver in in manhattan it's been a while i it doesn't exist no to the rest of my knowledge so but i have talked to i had a black woman i was talking to about their friend and she was saying she encounters this but she was clear it's not it's the it's the sort of Pakistani kind of Indian kind of thing they have issues yes yeah and uh okay you know yeah but the problem the problem no the problem with this scenario is the the cab driver is attempting to get paid to to get tipped, and to not get stabbed in the neck, right? Yeah.

So if there is a choice between a black guy who barely looks black standing in front of an expensive, some really expensive real estate with his daughter. Wearing a $2,000 suit. Wearing a $2,000 suit or a white guy in a shadier part of town just wearing a hoodie, the cab driver would choose the black man over the guy with the hoodie 100% of the time. That's the part they're not telling you. They're doing it just based on skin, except for this guy's so light skin and has a clean-shaved head that it's even hard to tell what he is.

You fucking prima donna douchebag. But this is what propels and perpetuates all of this this is what they do and then they sit home and they're so they're so enamored with themselves guess who wrote a vignette about racism still going strong in manhattan 2023 you know what's interesting though is that really that really what you're describing is a class problem. Like there's class issues and sort of, what should we call it, discrimination by class. And that exists. But I have a feeling, one of the theories is that the elite doesn't want you to notice that because there are all different kinds of colors and things.

They don't want you to notice that because they're all different kinds of colors and things. They don't want you to notice that. They want you to stay back fighting amongst yourselves, not noticing the class issue here, which is profound. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. And by the way, any cab driver in New York would pick up a black woman over a guy who looked a little dicey with a shaved head and a neck tattoo. I mean, so is it really about skin color? No, no. It's about class and culture neck tattoo. I mean, so is it really about skin color? No, no. It's about class and culture.

Yes. Yeah. That's what I keep explaining when, you know, Joe Biden is like, these surcharges on extra baggage affect disproportionately poor and black communities. You know what I mean? I always go, Jay-Z? Jay-Z's affected by this? But a black person is more likely to be poor.

Yes, I get it. But just say poor. Don't say poor. Well, they don't want you to notice that. They don't want you to notice that part. That doesn't have the same traction. Say disproportionately affect the poor communities, which, by the way, everything disproportionately affects the poor communities. Gas prices, Joe Biden, at $5.50 a gallon,

disproportionately affect the poor Mexican gardeners who are driving out to my neighborhood in their loaded pickup trucks. That's disproportionate. Have you ever had a conversation with Whitney Cummings about being poor as a kid? No. Because she had a similar kind of,

even a worse story than yours. And I just thought it'd be interesting if you guys got into that and how it affects you and what you see about it and how it affects your thinking about politics and things. It'd be very interesting. You're going to go fix her window or something, right? I was going to go to her house and walk around.

The house is magnificent. You're going to enjoy it. That's what she keeps telling me. You're going to enjoy it. But she has a leak in the window. But you should do her podcast when you're there, and please do talk about this. I'd be interested in your guy.

Because she alludes to it all the time. I'm not in a position to get into it. You know what I mean? But it'd be fascinating to hear that conversation. What do you mean you're not in a position? I mean, I wasn't poor growing up. I had all kinds of weird shit from my dad having been poor. I got all kinds of trauma from that.

But I wasn't poor. Even though I felt like I was poor because of my dad raining shit down on me all the time. It's all class. Everything's class. It's all class. Now, there happens to be more poor black people than disproportionate, and so it's going to affect them. But it's not because of the color of their skin. It's because they're poor.

And then you guys would say, well, but the reason they're poor is because they're black. That's not true. But also there's cultural issues. And if you don't get honest about those cultural issues, you're not going to be able to deal with the implicit bias of the cab drivers. Right. So and just like that's not going to get interested or not going to address cultural issues like one white cab driver in all of Manhattan who's ignoring the guy who looks Syrian and is wearing a $2,000 suit with his Easter egg daughters standing in front of his multi-million dollar thing trying to hail a cab.

Well, I don't know, three in the afternoon? Yeah. Middle of the day? Yeah. Really? Can't? That's your policy? I kind of like that they did that, though.

I hate, you know what, though? Because it makes you talk about it. This is why I could never be in one of those rider rooms. Yeah, yeah. Because they'd be so fucking proud of their own shit, and I'd just be like, really? Yeah. And then, of course, the cab driver needs to be white. But you know what?

Because you need to do it that way. Because it's so over-the-top cartoonish... Not to them. No, I think, but to the viewer, I think it becomes that. No. And that's why i'm glad they did it no i don't think it is really and people can get very heated about it because they do feel uh ostracized or discriminated against when they try to get a cab but not that cab driver

it's not that guy yes yeah well i'll have the doorman do it next time but yeah which is always the case and where was he he's racist too maybe well that's what i was wondering if they're trying to make that point he's in the trunk of the cab i i don't know it's a retarded point to make in 2023 i wish and everyone does this thing and i've been screaming at everyone for a million years about this knock it off with the retarded rhetoric stop Stop it. And then everyone goes, oh, what's the hurt? Talking about poor people and brown people and dumb people. And, you know, black people are as good as white people. They don't have attorneys or accountants, so they can't run a business. Like, stop it. Stop all that talk. Just stop it. You're really

doing a ton of damage and it's very dangerous and people are dying stop it and it's it's it's one of the grossest facets of our society as it stands today it's it's and it's it's reckless it's irresponsible and reckless like making these vignettes in your TV show is irresponsible and it's reckless and it perpetuates something that doesn't exist. What's interesting is that people don't think about the fact that it resonates in the international domain as well. Then you have China going, look at you. You call us our Uyghurs. Look what you do. I love that. Yeah. I love it. I love it when China rubs it in our face. You know? Yeah. we're like, you got those Uyghurs in internment camps over there, and they go, well, look at you.

You guys are all racist. Don't believe me? That's all I hear out. Just listen, watch, just like that. Just watch on TV. It's right there. All right, we'll take a quick break. Be right back after this.

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All right, one quick thing. I got to get off my chest, which is that, as you know, I'm obsessed about this weather thing. They crossed some line with me with being unable to report the weather, but it keeps going. We're two weeks after the fact now, and Susan goes, Susan's reading an article, LA Times. Drew, don't drink the tap water. It's contaminated now. And I went, no, it's not. I'm drinking the tap water.

I drank it right in front of her. Read the article. It says, no, it's not. I'm drinking the tap water. I drank it right in front of my group. Read the article. It says, don't drink tap water. If you have isolated wells that could have been contaminated, which nobody is supplied by an individual well. And, oh, by the way, the beaches are, oh, my God, the beaches, the beaches, not dolphins are

dying, but the water's contaminated. Did I not predict that? Why? But they don't tell you because they're people shitting on the street people peeing on the street and all that debris accumulates and then goes right down the river a city the size of pasadena's stool of many weeks duration hits the water without sewage treatment yeah if if if for an hour Pasadena suddenly bypassed the sewage treatment and went to the Santa Monica Bay, there'd be a state of emergency. Hepatitis break out.

There'd be a state of emergency. But the fact that it's from the homeless, it is from the homeless populations, it cannot be mentioned. Anyway, so what were you going to talk about love boat? Let's go. Because I did a little love boat watching oh good yeah well first things first there's something that is driving me nuts about the love boat oh it always has could they clear one goddamn song we've heard of every single song that band plays and there's not an episode that doesn't have that band playing. So much so, it made me wonder if Spellman,

whether he writes it and then capitalizes on it. No, because no one wants to hear those songs. That's the point. He takes them, has somebody write them, he establishes them with ASCAP. Spelling. Spelling, and then he could make a fee every time it airs oh okay I think that's what he's doing I don't know because it's so bad

it's like they do that thing where they're always down on the Lido deck and the band fires up and it's weird generic saxophone and a keyboard and and it's everywhere and it's ubiquitous. They play it all. Because otherwise he'd have to pay for the songs. No, I get it. But he now writes them, or somebody write them, establish them, copyrights them, and now he gets paid every time. Probably still getting paid. You gotta see if you can find a Love Boat

song. Now, not the theme, just the jazz from inside. What's the name of that club? The Acapulco Lounge? Just dance. Dancing, dance music. Any scene where they're dancing.

And not the Dallas cheerleaders. Any scene where they're dancing. And everyone rushes out to the dance floor, and they're dancing their ass off, but nobody's ever heard that song. Because that song doesn't exist because they've never cleared and they don't do a feel alike

or sound alike either which you could do you know I'm thinking I'm wondering if one time I heard a sound alike and that's what made me think about him well once in a while once in a while they'd have the guests like the pointer sisters would come on yeah and then they do he's so fine they do her hit

their hit yes that they clear you know i mean or cut some deal with the with sony records or something they would call it promotional use or whatever you know but uh Or maybe the Pointer Sisters owned it, publishing or whatever. But the rest is the worst, most generic 70-something. And everyone is out on the dance floor twirling arms into it. And it's like, none of you have ever heard this song because this song doesn't exist. And why are you so into it? And I finally got fed up like i i just need a cleared song clear something or what you can do you can do a feel alike or sound alike

like you know if you're doing a spoof in a boxing film you don't do Rocky, but you do. Ba-ba-da-bum-bum-bum-da-da. Ba-da-ba. Boom-boom-ba. Ba-ba-doom-ba. Da-da. Da-da. Boom. You change it just enough, but it gives the flavor of the Rocky theme. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I get it. They don't do that. They just do generic guitar and sax and keyboard, and they get to play no songs. And they'll do it all over the episode, because later on that night, there's the wedding to the twins, and they're all in the receptions on the deck, and they're all out there,

and the band's like... They don't even hold together. Yes. I would just say, let's at least find a riff that sort of sounds coherent. No, it sort of looks like a Chuck E. Cheese band or something. Yes. So weirdly, they're just strumming automatically.

It's weird. Any scene in the love boat where they're dancing. Oh, Dallas cheerleaders. I told you, not the Dallas cheerleaders. Oh, my God. It is funny. Well, let, not the Dallas cheerleaders. Oh my God. It is funny. Well, let's see what it sounds like anyway.

No, this is a musical number. The band is playing at the front of the room and people are dancing on the dance floor. A band with four members. Oh, it doesn't matter. The band is playing and people are dancing on the love boat.

Yeah. Yeah. Those are set pieces with Ann. With orchestra. Shit. What's her name? That was Ann. Ann.

Oh, the dancer. Yes. Ann Martin? Ann. No. Shit. Ann shit. Yeah.

The other one was the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. First one. shit yeah the other one was the dallas cowboys yeah first one was your fault for saying the words dallas cowboys cheerleaders that's it's my fault that's my no mayo gets you extra mayo you said the word mayo yes and now it's that's how brains work it's on you that's how they work that's how it's called priming it's called priming that's actually a phenomenon now i and so if you're going to prime someone with a negative you have to really reinforce it you have to repeat it a few times because your brain will automatically take it as a positive i don't say lemon wedge anymore i say yellow lemon because i get the lime every

time so that's good yellow is a good prime. That's good. I have to say yellow. Yeah, yeah. I'll take a vodka soda water with a yellow lemon. That's good. I like that. But you see how that's priming, right? Right. All right.

I don't know. Here's the problem with the internet. I never know what's hard and what's easy. Because I never know. I know what's hard and what's easy yeah because i never know i know what you mean if it's easy and my instructions are being misinterpreted or it's just hard like you can't any episode i'll put you this way emmy any episode that's ever been made of the love boat they will be dancing somewhere in the middle of that episode on a dance floor just pick an episode just pick an episode and scroll forward.

You could pick any episode that's ever been created to scroll forward to about 22 minutes in and they will be on that dance floor. I was going to say some of the good ones, some of the memorable ones where Captain Steubing has an issue out there dancing or somebody cuts him off or something. But that's going to get too crazy. No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Just pick any episode and at some point they'll end up there. So what else did you notice? I was fascinated by the Tennille from Captain and Tennille.

Did you see that one? I've seen it before. Involved with the gay father from Brady. The gay father from where? Brady Bunch. Oh, from Brady. You've got to be? Brady Bunch. Oh, from Brady. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

The Brady father from the Brady Bunch who is gay in real life. And he doesn't have a hint of gay on him, which is kind of fascinating to me. You know, it's kind of interesting because he didn't have a hint of it on him in the 60s and sort of the early 70s. have a hint of it on him in the 60s and sort of the early 70s but later on he got the mustache and the perm and it sort of tacked a little in the gay direction he lived right around the corner from where i grew up while i was growing up oh really his mom oh boy reed yeah robert reed robert reed yeah and uh he was good by the way I bought it I fully bought it That's the part that fascinates me

Is that her? No, it's not her It's somebody dancing Okay, okay That's the lounge That's where they dance Here's the music There we go

Hi, excuse me Mind if I cut in? Thanks We need a faster Oh, that's a lot No, it's not It's almost Well, listen to this If I cut in. Thanks. We need a faster. Oh, that's a lot. No, it's not. It's almost, well, listen to this.

Now, because it sort of works on the slow tempo. Yeah, yeah. It's the 70s-esque quasi-disco stuff that gets weird. Yeah. Yeah. And it's completely unrecognizable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, but anything else jump out of those stories for you? It was an interesting, both Susan and I kept going, how could we not have seen these before?

How does this, the last two we'd never seen. An interesting cast, you know, Billy Crystal crystal in it what was he doing back then that's what i kept asking well you know the one i was looking i was looking at which was tony roberts tony roberts was the sort of curly haired friend of woody allen in all the woody allen films right so he's the one he's the guy that says in the in annie hall brings up the issue of vpl visible panty line oh with woody allen and woody allen's like what what are you talking about all right let's see if we have some if we have some up-tempo stuff there we are it's a little latiny.

I would say that's the best thing I've ever heard in that room. Well, because it's got a theme. Yeah. But the whole point is, it's never a song you've heard of. Although Latin doesn't work because it's all Latin. It does sound like a knockoff. One, two, cha-cha-cha. Yeah, it's a knockoff. But what's interesting also to me here sound like a knockoff, one, two, cha-cha-cha. Yeah, it's a knockoff.

But what's interesting also to me here, as they randomly pick these shows, those are all actors and actresses I've seen on five different love books doing different things, which is weird. We got one more try. I mean, any generic dance. You can't pick a Latin theme.

So Tony, what's his name? Tony Roberts. Tony Roberts is like toggling in his career yeah at this time between doing the the goose that laid golden eggs or the million dollar duck we brought him up before this way yes with disney yes and he's going off and doing annie hall yes and then he's doing an episode of Love Boat. Yeah. And then he's doing Hannah and Her Sisters. Yeah.

Nobody. There's nobody who does that. It's called range. Yeah. It's called range. I'm just saying. But you know what it is? He got picked by Woody as the groovy guy from Los Angeles.

He had a relationship with Woody Allen. Yeah, clearly. So Woody Allen would be like, I don't care if you're doing the million dollar goose with Disney or the, or the, the, the computer that wore tennis sneakers or whatever, the,

the hairy DA or the shaggy DA. I don't care if you're doing that kind of schlock. I know you, I want familiarity. I wanted to kind of know what you're, what you can do. You're not a pain in the ass on the set. Right.

And I'll just put you in Hannah and her sisters, even though you're just coming off the love boat. You know who he reminds me of in terms of his Disney stuff is Dean Jones. Remember that guy? Yeah. But he did not transition out of that. But Kurt Russell did. Yeah. you would get stigmatized yeah Kurt Russell did it as a child actor yeah that's why he was able to do it yeah all right I mean one more dance try it is interesting how you can be defeated like I would never thought the Latin example would never work because they all sound

like the same song. Yes. But I would never have thought it can't be a Latin song. All I've said is dancing, disco. Because I don't think I've ever heard a Latin song on a show. I've never heard that one before. Well, if you notice, the judges had all margaritas in front of them. That was Latin disco judging night. So we got the real slow one, which didn't really work. Then we got the Latin one, which didn't work because all the Latin songs sound sort of similar.

But Emmy identified as a knockoff. But trust me, the 70s stuff is all. No, it's all a knockoff, though. I mean, the Latin stuff is kind of one rhythm. So now we just need one more Emmy. It's any episode or they dance. He could probably go to what last what's on the on me TV right now from yesterday or whatever

last week any episode every episode they end up on that dance floor but I felt like there was more stuff I wanted to talk to you about in that episode it was a oh Pat Carroll did you notice that with the woman that played the banker's

assistant from the Beverly Hillbillies? What the hell was her name in the Beverly Hillbillies? I was watching the story of the two ventriloquists. I had to look up Ruth Buzzi to see if she was a ventriloquist, and she was. Oh, she was? She was a ventriloquist early in her career. And Sid Caesar was not. Oh, I know the thing that was funny is is they were both playing husband wife ventriloquist and when Ruth Buzzy would do it the puppet you could

see her mouth moving on the d like it's a d like her lip would go down and stuff like that then Sid Caesar threw her under the bus because he just just sit there, rinse his mouth with mouthwash, his mouth zip shut, not moving his face at all because they were just doing it in post. Yes, correct. But someone should have told Sid. Do something. You have to at least have a little crack of sunshine between your lips. You can't just sit there chewing gum.

He just was like, well, I'm going to move my mouth because I'm a ventriloquist. I'm that good. Yeah. A ventriloquist where you'll never even see my face change all right one and uh what's her name what's her name yeah we'll figure it out there we go right this is it that's every episode There we go. Right. This is it. That's every episode. What school do you go to? It's not a song.

It's just Gennaro Sax. You look very nice tonight. Gennaro Sound. McNichols. Christy McNichols? Yes. You would never last as a band. A band on a cruise ship plays nothing but covers. Nothing but top ten covers.

You'd be a disco inferno every night. Every single person has to know the song and the first two beat strums of the bass guitar, right? You could never play Janelle Rock. Anyway, it bothered me. All right. You can go to adamkroll.com for all the live shows. What do you got, right? You could never play generic. Anyway, it bothered me. All right. You can go to adamkroll.com for all the live shows.

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