The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1784 Bad Faith Discussion

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

This week, Adam is joined by Dr. Drew all the way from the free state of Florida, and he's ready to share his latest read, introducing Ace to an organization protecting free speech across the nation. They also speak on many Canadians fleeing their 'progressive' homeland, and the similarities with California. Please Support Our Sponsors: Angi.com The Jordan Harbinger Show - Available everywhere you listen to podcasts

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get it on dr's poor first first first first first survives simple as he's uh over there in uh the free state of florida indeed the free state but i like that mena mena mena ephraim zimbalist i'm ephraim zimbalist this day ephraim Zimbalist Jr. What a crazy name, right? And they probably made that up, too. Television names were all made up back then. Well, I don't want to go all anti-Groundling on you, but Ephraim Zimbalist Jr. He was a junior, so that means his dad made his name up. made his name up.

I bet Efren Zimbalist Jr. was the son of Efren Zimbalist whose real name was Efren Zimbalist. And didn't he have a daughter? Zimbalist or something? Stephanie Zimbalist or something?

There's a Zimbalist family and now Amy's got to go on a deep dive. But, you know, it is, you know, it's actually, it makes sense. I should add that. What I mean is, is like, if you wanted to change your name, but you didn't want people to think you made it up. Just add Junior for the third.

Yeah, my name is Cash Widecock Jr. The third. My name is Cash Widecock the third. And people go like, wow, that's his real name. They've all been Widecock? Drew's not wrong, though. He named his son the third. He did?

He did indeed. Efren Zimbalist? Drew's not wrong though he named his son the third he did? Efren Zimbalist? oh Efren Zimbalist Jr. named his son Efren Zimbalist Jr. named his son Efren Zimbalist III I now realize I can now pull off my

Cash Widecock name if I just go the third. It never gets past the third, does it? You know, the Royalty would take it out to the fourth, right? Yeah, I just never hear the fourth. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm in the great state of Florida here. I'm giving a talk tomorrow to a giant pharmacy group.

I think it's the Florida State Pharmacy Group. I'm not exactly sure. It's a lot of people. And I'm at this huge resort now in Orlando. It turns out I was driving up to go, wait a minute. I've been here before. I gave another talk here about two years ago in the dark days of COVID, interestingly. And I'm running around now going, oh, it's so nice to see people

running around a resort. But the point I want to make is that until yesterday we were in southern Florida, which is Miami, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach. I actually did Viva Fry's podcast and had dinner with

Viva Fry the night before last. I don't know who that is. Oh, you should. You will. He's an attorney that fled Canada and can't run away fast enough.

He's just so pissed at Trudeau. Man, I talked to him. It's strange. I've got a bunch of Canadians in my life. This will be interesting. I just want to say the point. West Palm Beach, Palm Beach, Boca Raton, people are so freaking happy there. There's just so much engagement and building and it's just dynamism and it makes people happy. But in any event, I've got a bunch of Canadians in my life last night. And a Canadian told me I was talking about Viva and I asked this guy, I said, why don't you leave? And he goes, because they take

50% of your net assets if you try to leave Canada. That's like a divorce. Weird. It's communism, right? Or even like pre-religionary France. We just take your shit. It's just

ours now if you try to to leave, you dare leave. Yeah, well, you know, Canada is probably, I've been saying this for a number of years now. They're about five years ahead of California. Or California's five years behind Canada in terms of where we're going and what how we're doing it and canada just passed a rule that says uh you know they can monitor your podcast or listen you know you have to register with them or whatever it's a it's a it's a bizarre thing because Canada is the same as California. They go, you come – they're both run by sort of the same guy. I don't see a distinction between Justin Trudeau and Gavin Newsom.

They're kind of the same guy. They're really the same politician, although Trudeau could possibly be more progressive but but they call themselves progressive but progressing toward what you know what i mean like their progress is not what you think it is so so progressive used to mean well we don't want an incarceration nation, and we want to decriminalize gay marriage, and legalize, that's what it used to mean, and marijuana should be decriminalized. And you would go, oh, that's a progressive thought, okay, two men want to get married, I don't see the harm in that, I feel like they should have the right to be married. But the progressive now means we'd like to monitor you. We'd like to be in charge of what you can and can't say.

And we'd like to have your money where we can kind of digital currency that we can kind of have it. And if you start saying things we don't want you to say or if you're some long haul Canadian trucker and you're going to take a stand against the lockdowns or something, we'd like to be able to cut you off for disagreeing. Or if you disagree with something COVID, we'd like to see you removed from your place of work or we'd like to cut off your digital bank account. You know, and it's like that's what they're progressing toward. They're not progressing toward gay marriage. But that's what's weird. They went from progressing to more civil liberties to progressing and marching full speed ahead towards totalitarianism. Right.

It's weird. Right. And so we think, oh, well, that guy's progressive. I like that. Yeah, he is progressive. What's he heading? Where's he progressing? He's not going where you think he's going.

He's heading towards civil liberties being shut down. Yes. And then. The oddest thing. And then they do this. Come to California or come to Canada to be free, you know, to be free to love and free. You know, it's like free to be free. Huh?

Yeah. Free, huh? Tell that to the fucking truckers, Trudeau. And now the podcasters or Jordan Peterson, who didn't want to be, you know, your progress is if you misgender somebody or refuse to use their pronouns, we will incarcerate you. That's not freedom. You understand? It's their freedom. Yeah, right. I guess somebody will study it one day, but it was never a freedom movement. It was, you know, granting privilege movement, right? And at a certain point, if you're going to be granting privileges, you're going to have to lock down everybody to make sure they get those privileges or something.

Yeah. Or the direction they've progressed. But it's interesting you brought this up. I wanted to do something today that we have never done, if you're up for it. Yeah. And do a little book review. Oh, right. Because I know you're not going to read this book,

but there's things in here that I think you should know and I think the listeners would find very interesting. I'm holding up a book by Greg Lukianoff and Ricky Schlott. These are guys from the FIRE organization. Do you know what FIRE is? I mean, look up how FIRE defines themselves. They're an organization that essentially evaluates people's free speech positions. Do they actually value and protect free speech?

They're the guys that sort of gave Harvard the lowest possible grade. Oh, right. Because of free speech, for free speech. Yeah, again, they don't have free speech. Do you have that? Well, if you're if you're pro Palestine, you'd probably find it a pretty generous campus to speak freely on. Right. And again, certain views are heard. Certain are not heard. Therefore, fire would go.

That's not free speech. Do you have the acronym for fire? I mean, I'm not sure actually what it even stands for. It's the foundation for individual rights and expression. Okay. So that's, they protect free speech rights on college campuses all across the U S. And I,

I first heard him on Lex Friedman's podcast and I was like, Oh man, this guy knows what he's talking about. I immediately read the book, read it on this trip. And he got so worked up about this. I'm laughing. It's talking about. I immediately read the book, read it on this trip. And he got so worked up about this. I'm laughing. It's not funny. He became suicidal. This was so deeply troubling to him. And then he came out of that, did some cognitive behavioral therapy and really dug in in his work

to try to protect free speech. So I would like to review with you, if you don't mind the, the way that free speech is argued way. People are argued down that the techniques people use to try to silence free speech. It's kind of interesting. All right. Is you up for that?

Yeah, I am. I think, uh, we got to hear from, uh, one of interesting. All right. Are you up for that? Yeah, I am. I think we've got to hear from one of our sponsors real quick, and then we'll go. Yeah, I'll do that, and then we'll go to this book. And it's not going to be more, I promise. But first, we're going to hear from our friends at Angie. Homeowners, you know how much work it takes to maintain that home, whether it's everyday maintenance or repairs or just taking on a dream project.

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So we're going to go through about, I'm sorry to be making all the noise with the pages, 10 different things that are done. If you are somebody that's being silenced or canceled, here are the techniques. First, whataboutism, defending criticism of your side by bringing up the other side's wrongdoings. Sounds familiar, right? Right. I know you are, but what am I? Is what I keep telling you that you're doing.

Right. That's that. Whataboutism. Second thing is strawmanning, so misrepresenting the perspective, constructing a weak and accurate version. That happens to me constantly. I'm sure that happens to you, right? Give an example of that. That happens to me constantly.

I'm sure that happens to you. Give an example of that. So, you know, but you said, and then they'll fill in the blank with, you know, you compare, right, you compare. Here's a perfect example for me. You compare the COVID to the flu. Yeah. No, no, no. I said H1N1 killed 300,000 people. And that was in 2009 or 19 or something. And you don't even know that happened. And so, okay, this is going to be worse, but maybe we can have a more moderate position than just going crazy the way they were doing in the press because we'd had a pandemic and it was bad, but you need to know that one happened. This one may kill a million. That one killed 300,000,

may kill 10 million. It's going to be bad, but do we have to go crazy? And then I always ended it with listen to the CDC, listen to Dr. Fauci. And now I'm getting criticism on that front, of course. And what that's distilled down to, you compared it to the flu. Yeah. Well, there we go. Same thing. Minimization. Claiming a problem doesn't exist or too small to worry about. COVID's over, Adam. It's over.

Why do you worry about it? It's no big deal. Yeah, there were some excesses, but, you know, people were people were scared. What are you going to do? Oh, why do I worry about the overreach of the government and closing down schools and churches? Minimizing. It's a nothing. Oh, you know, it's funny. I worry about the overreach of the government and closing down schools and churches. Minimizing. It's a nothing.

Oh, you know, it's funny. Somebody tweeted me. It was, it was funny. Um, when I,

when I, I saw a tweet, I sent it to you. I can't remember if you saw it, but it was Tucker Carlson talking about the actual autopsy of George Floyd and how they kind of buried it and there was no trauma to his neck. And he didn't he did not die of asphyxiation or neck trauma. He didn't die being choked out or cut off from his air supply. Right. And they buried it.

And I said I retweeted and I said, of course they did. This is your news media and whatever. And somebody wrote back, you know, that was three years ago. Get over it. Do you want to you want to take a deep dive on Harriet Tubman or something? And I was like, well, yeah, it was three years ago. That's true. It could have been 10 years ago.

That's true. Doesn't make it irrelevant. It just means we're lied to once again. That's all it means. But you want to, by the way, three years ago isn't a long time ago as it pertains to this nation. But they do that thing. Like, oh, that COVID thing, that was three years ago. You know, get over it.

There you go. Keep going. Okay, good. Thanks. All right, so conflating two arguments. We've all seen that. Underdogging, you get this one all the time. Your viewpoint is less valid because they speak for the disadvantage.

That's also part of the don't punch down, Adam. Don't punch down. Bad faith, you're a bad person. Hypocrisy. Your opponent is hypocritical. And it's all constructed. It's offensive. They argue you down that way.

And under the offensive category, there's offensive archaeology. One day when you were 17, you said something offensive. And then finally just making stuff up. Just making shit up. Yeah. These are the 10 steps. This is it. This is what happens.

This is why. It's a construct. It's a technique that people are using to bad faith argue to silence and cancel people. bad faith argue to silence and cancel people. And then for some reason, the bad faith discussion is what Twitter and other social media loves. That's the part that it picks up on. Yeah.

Which is, I've gotten, frankly, tired of. I found myself this week, speaking of archaeology, I found some old Facebook messengers, and I was just like, oh, my God. So I just started yelling back at people. I mean, you were an idiot. You're an idiot. You've fallen for a technique. You're smarter than that. What do you mean what's wrong with me?

What's wrong with you that you fell for this bullshit? Well, here's the problem. Well, here's the problem. The problem is, and I think we are learning about it, and some people, it's a longer learning curve for some people, which is, years ago, 25 years ago, somebody might say something that might be regarded as racist or offensive or something like that. And then they'd get with the publicist and then the publicist would craft some sort of retraction. You know, I misspoke. You're misunderstood. I'm deeply sorry if I've heard anybody. I've now learned about this culture and i no longer you know and then that was good we could move on when you and i were on the radio back in the day uh when i was on the radio back today and you said something about some group or you made some joke or something they would go

now they just apologize and then we'll just move on right um that's no longer the playbook because they're coming after you anyway and they want you fired anyway so the new world order has to be fuck off because what i'm saying is is back in the day they would hijack an airplane and if you were on that airplane you would think oh, oh, man, we're going to land in Cuba? Where are we landing? You know what I mean? Right. And you would sit there and go, well, I guess we land in Cuba,

and then the American government can get enough cash together. Maybe I can go home and see my family. We're no longer landing the airplane. We're flying it into a building. family uh we're no longer landing the airplane we're flying it into a building so you who is a passenger on that airplane can no longer wait to land in cuba you have to rush the cockpit that's that's where we're at now yeah yeah and so that means when we once you apologize you apologize or fuck right off like every third tweet I had during COVID when somebody said, I have an elderly grandmother. You don't care about.

I'd go see under the bed, pussy. Get under the bed. Get under the bed. You sheep have fun. And I would always retweet him. I go, we got another hero, everybody. They care about Nana. Fuck off.

I wouldn't go like, oh, my God, I lost a grandparent not too long ago. I would just go. There's a thousand tweets of me just calling people sheeps and pussies. That's all it was. Every time I would put something out there, I'd get a thousand tweets calling me a bad man. And, you know, I want schools to open because I don't like kids and whatever. And I just go, hey, I'd either call him a hero, a sheep or pussy and tell him to get under the bed.

Oh my God. That's what I would do. That's where we're at. Meaning the next time Gavin Newsom closes the beaches, we all have to go to the beach. That's where we're at. And now I don't want to be there, but that's where we're at and now i don't want to be there but that's where we're at well and

interestingly i think now you have a group of people that are highly motivated that would would get behind you yes that now agree with you that have see what happened they didn't quite get what was going on and as usual your crystal brain got there earlier but I think there are a lot of people that would stand with that. Well, do you think parents on a Thursday night want to go to a school board meeting and stand there and say, if my kid is transitioning and wants to be called by a different name, you need to notify me. I know your policy is you won't notify the parents. Or if my daughter is going to be in the locker room and a biological male is going to share that locker room with my daughter, I don't want that to happen. Under your regime.

That's what's happening. Do you think that parent wants to be there on a fucking Thursday night arguing over cocks and balls in locker rooms? No, they want to be fucking at home watching Thursday night football with a beer in their hand. We don't want to do this, but what's our fucking choice

now? You've created those truckers didn't want to drive their fucking trucks to the center of montreal or wherever and parked live out of their truck for four days you shut them down that's what happened this is what's happening that's what i'm saying to everybody yeah it's like oh like i want to fucking send tweets about reopening schools i don't i don't want to do that i want to i want to look at pornography but but you guys close the schools down and now i have two kids that are sitting at home languishing so now yes do you see It's not my thing. I'm not into this. I'm into being left alone.

And then you act like this is our thing. Oh, these parents just want to go to these school board meetings and stand up and yell into a microphone while someone yells to put their mask up. Every fucking bit of footage was every single time someone was yelling into a microphone three years ago at a school meeting, they kept getting yelled at to put their mask up. Super effective mask. Jesus fucking Christ. It's like you start it. You bring it on.

You fertilize the soil. You water the soil. And then I come in and go, I don't want this. And then you go, oh, what's your thing? My thing is no thing. I don't ever want to talk to you. But you're creating this thing. I would like to hike on a horse trail and be left alone.

That's my thing. You want to police me. That's your thing. And now your thing has become my thing because you're fucking policing me. That's your thing. And now your thing has become my thing because you're fucking policing me. I'd like to speak freely about my feelings on COVID and not be demonetized on YouTube. That's what I would like to do.

You would like to demonetize me. So now what? Fucking assholes. Fuck these people. And by the way, everybody on the right side of this issue is way too fucking nice. It has to just be fuck off now. That's all they understand. And there's another part of this, too.

I had a conversation with a guy. You'll appreciate this. And I said, look, you can't, you've got to stop being so condescending and accusing me of things. You're reading my mind as though you know what I'm thinking. You ask me questions. I'll tell you my thoughts. And he goes, oh, I'm not. Oh, I would never. I would never. But you're lying. I thought, oh, well, how much worse does it get than liar? It's just under racist as a's like murderer, racist, liar. Maybe murderer, rapist, a racist, liar. And it requires

massive hubris to call somebody a liar. You have to read their fucking mind. You have to know. And why am I a liar? Because I interviewed somebody they disagreed with. Therefore, I must agree with the person I interviewed. And I started thinking to myself, when the fuck did everybody become such expert in talk and talk? You know,

this is a talk format you are you and I are in right now. I did. You and I've done talks since the mid 90s, early. Well, I've done it since the early 80s. And when I was doing it on television, I routinely talk to what the producers called interesting people. White supremacists, Nazis, criminals. Am I cosigning their bullshit? Do I agree with them? And by the way, there's a rule when you have a guest on a talk show, you must treat them like a guest. Or you will not get any more guests

because people don't want to be treated like shit. So your job is to be curious and ask questions and that's it. And trust your audience to be smart enough to figure the shit out. And by the way, in the same book, I didn't give the name of the book, it's The Canceling of the American Mind.

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I found this one paragraph. This is something I know to be true from working in a psychiatric hospital for 35 years. years for a vivid portrayal of how exclusion meaning not talking to people and not platforming people that word that just got invented five minutes ago a vivid portrayal of how exclusion makes polarization paranoia and radicalism far worse he recommends the author andrew callahan's this place rules which highlights some of the protests and personality to play a large or small role in the run up to January 6th. Does an admirable job displaying radicalism on both sides. And it shows in real time how both sides participate in provocation and reaction that makes them angry and angrier without access to open debate and speech. And if you close down a topic, you enhance paranoia and radicalism and conspiratorial thinking.

That's how it works. That's how we work as human beings. So everybody that wants people not to be spoken to are doing a horrible disservice. Yeah. That's my public service announcement for the day i have a thought experiment for you just to kind of show where where things where things are at okay okay and i oftentimes marvel that you know if we resurrected the ghost of my mother after 20 to 40 minutes of muffin talk, we could then scones and muffins.

We could get into this, which is the fact that it is her side that is supporting and cheering on the FBI and the CIA. At this point, it is her side that likes big and ever-growing government and big government overreach. It is her side that is enthusiastic about wars abroad and the military-industrial complex. Isn't that crazy? Her mind would be blown.

But here's the thought. But she'd twist it. She'd somehow twist it. She would. She would contort herself to make it right right that's the weird part right like like but but she's now people on the left have been put in a bizarre position to defend the fbi and the cia okay but here's the uh here's a thought experiment. If I, if I went back and I said, like in a time machine,

like I, we just went back to the year 1995. Right. And I said, you know, in the future, 2023, this terrorist group is going to infiltrate Israel and they're going to

do things that are so savage to civilians, I can't even repeat that. It's too depressing and children and babies and burn babies and everything, right? All right. And he said, yeah. And then they're going to kidnap a bunch of people too. I said, yeah. And then they're going to kidnap a bunch of people, too. And then here in the U.S. on college campuses and in New York City and elsewhere, people are going to post pictures of the missing children and the missing women and men who were kidnapped with their name as a way of healing with a dusting of maybe someone will recognize somebody and there'll be something given.

And then there'll be a group of people who are going to tear down those pictures and crumple them up and throw them in the garbage can. You would then say, so these are Klan guys doing this, like anti-Jews? So these are anti-Semitic. So these are definitely could be the Klan, or maybe these are just like, these are like super religious born-again met males who these are either clan guys or like devout christian white males who hate the jew is that what that is and then i'd go no it's mostly women and they'd go what what? Yeah, yeah, mostly women. Sometimes mothers and daughters and stuff like that.

You mean they're tearing down kids who've been kidnapped? Yeah. So these are some kind of right-wing female militia or something? No, they're leftists. They would call themselves progressive. These are Democrats? Oh, yeah. Well, 100%. 100% Democrat. progressive but these are these are democrats oh yeah well 100 100 democrat well and and a lot of college students you know it'd be like what no wait a second these are democrats because if you think about it they're all democrats if you do the math and they're all progressive and they're all liberal, your fucking head would explode if I told you this in 1995.

Yes. Yep. Yep. You'd have no you'd have no context. You'd just be like, what? No. You probably wouldn't believe it. You'd really kind of assume you were lying, really.

Wouldn't you? I guess. You couldn't believe it. No. And that's that's where we're at, everybody. I guess you wouldn't, you couldn't believe it. No. And what? Yeah, that's, that's where we're at.

Everybody. That's the thought experiment. I, you, your first thought, if you told me this in 1995, it'd be like the clan must be running amok. They must be running amok. Be like,

no. And then I'd be like, clan must be coming in at night or something, you know, uh, under the cover of night and tearing these things out. No, no. Broad daylight.

Women. Progressive women. Daylight. Work hours. In front of everybody. In front of the people that may have put them up. You'd be like, what the fuck is going on? I have no idea what's happening.

Would you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A thousand percent. All right. It's happening. Would you?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A thousand percent. All right. I'm going to be in Sacramento at the Punchline November 17th and 18th for shows. You can go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. I'm doing a theater show in Fargo. Yeah.

Fargo Theater. That'll be November 30th if you want to come out and say hi. What do you got, Drew? I'm doing a show next November 6th. I believe it's next week, right? Is that today or next week? As we speak.

No, it's November 6th at the Chelsea Market in the music hall underneath the Chelsea Market with Kat Timp and Jimmy Fela. Come check it out. Go to drdrew.com. You'll find it there.

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