The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1792 Pride & Pronunciation

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

Drew finishes off the week from New York City, and Chris joins Ace in studio to pick their brains on recent stories along with some trivia questions. Plus, Adam dissects pride, intelligence, and language. Please Support Our Sponsors: HenryMeds.com/ADS, use promo code: ADS BlindsGalore.com, let them know Adam and Dr. Drew sent you! The Jordan Harbinger Show - Available everywhere you listen to podcasts

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Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. Dr. Drew over there in New York City, board-certified physician. Chris Max Patton Studios got some stories for us to sink our teeth into. Yeah, I came across this study that I think you both will love because I think you've been doing it subconsciously throughout the last few years. So there's this – basically the thesis of this study is when being given a math problem, there's people are – okay, so when being asked a tricked math question, the majority of people answer – Hold on. A tricked?

A trick math question. Oh, this is the bad question? Yeah. You know this one. So, yeah. So, when being asked a trick math question, the majority of people will answer intuitively with the wrong answer. Right. Hints will then get more people to answer correctively.

However, even when directly told the correct answer, 20% of people will still keep the intuitive and incorrect answer and refuse to even... It's a math problem. So yeah, it's the bat and ball problem. So I'll give you the problem here. A bat and ball costs $1.10 in total. The bat costs $1 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?

The bat? So it's $1.10 total. Yeah. And the bat is a buck more. Yes. Than the ball. How much does the ball cost? So the ball cost, you'd want to say, oh, well, you want to say 10 cents, but that's not a buck more.

That's 90 cents more. Correct. That's where people get fucked up. Yeah. So then you'd want to say $1.10 more than the ball, but the ball costs 10 cents and it's a total of 110 correct yeah so how do you get the ball at 10 cents and then a buck more well that so you're on the right track so intuitively the answer seems to be 10 cents but after thinking it through the answer is actually five cents right so it's five cents plus 105 will equal 110.

Right. So there are two kinds of thinking. There are people who answer intuitively with 10 cents, and then there's a reflective kind of thinking, which means you took the time, like what you were doing too, to kind of analyze it and come up with the correct answer. So now the intuitive thinkers are broken down into two categories as well, careless and hopeless.

The intuitive thinkers. Yes. I'd add hapless and shiftless. That could be the term. Like the seven dwarves. So the careless, they answered correctly after some hints and follow-up questions were given, like, the answer is not 10 cents. Right. Yeah.

The hopeless, even after being given the correct answer still refuse to put five cents in the blank space and there's 20 of people who refuse to do that so a lot of you know it's a lot of people scott adams always says 20 of the people get everything wrong yeah that's what this is because if you look at every poll if there's a really a dumb wrong answer 20 of the of people go for it. Yeah. Well, there's also just a weird thing. Now, a lot of this is just what party you're with. But, you know, it always drives me nuts.

And like CNN was like, what percentage of people think this economy is in dire straits is like 66 percent of Americans. And then what percent thinks it's doing OK? It's like 66 percent of americans and then what percent thinks it's it's doing okay it's like 31 and then there's always what percent think it's excelling and soaring you know 18 percent it's like excelling by what measurement like you can't think that right yeah well so imagine so they get the answer on here the hints Ten cents is not the answer. And then before responding, consider whether the answer could be five cents. And then finally, hey, the answer is five cents. Please enter the number five in the blank below. And still 20% refuse to do it.

So this Cornell psychologist, he says that 20%, there's always a 20%, 20% of people have crazy beliefs. 20% of people are highly authoritarian. And this. Wait, wait, wait this way wait authoritarian wait a minute how did he conclude that that's a real specific personality right yeah i mean that's that's that's his that's his quote it feels to me like he's trying to be he's going to go next and that's why people go for these these leaders that are populist right that's going to be his next move yeah So they found that people who score well on problems such as the bat and the ball do a better job of distinguishing truth from partisan fake news. Oh, that's good.

Which is kind of what we've been seeing throughout all of the media consumption in the last few years. And this is back to my point about the people in the middle just shaking their head, but quietly, you know, just seeing the reality, this is not right, this is crazy, but afraid to say anything. Right. So this was published in the journal Cognition,

but yeah, it's the bat and the ball problem. Well, it's interesting that authoritarian move. I don't know where he came up with that. That is a weird move. And he's building the case that that's why people 20 percent reform populist opinions. And it's going to be an interestingly, I'm sure it's an anti-Trump treatment. Well, I don't know. But you do have to. It's like, look, the hospital in Gaza gets bombed. All the nuts on the squad thinks it's Israel. Then the surveillance footage comes out and it's Hamas.

One of their rockets went rogue and hit the hospital. And they're still on it. Well, that's like the news thing, right? Well, that's essentially you've been given the right answer, 20 percenters, and you're not backing off. That's who it is. that's what it is it's both it goes both ways but is there something psychologically what do you mean it goes both ways what does that mean okay because it either it's the people who want to believe let's say the earth is flat right regardless of they're they're being given all this proof they'll still

say oh no the earth is still flat because they're into they're using their intuition. No, I except for that is less than one percent. We're not getting into the 20 percentile. And those people typically don't inhabit jobs that where they make policy and affect us. You know what I mean? Yeah. These wackadoodles make policy it's one of the reasons that the authoritarian thing caught my attention because that would suggest then well

that 20 gavin newsom must be in that 20 because he seems to like the authoritarian approach and all these you know millions of people in los angeles love his authoritarian input i'm not saying i'm not saying that 20% agree that earth is flat. I'm just saying, imagine taking all society and putting 20% into a bucket. And that's where you have the flat earthers. And that's where you have the squad. And that's where you have these people who, who basically are in the study are called the hopeless.

They cannot solve a problem, even with heavy hints. Well, the, the, all right. Well, the the. All right. So the authoritarian part comes in that when your ideas are disproven, you now need force to carry out your policy. You know what I mean? So somebody says masks don't work, not these paper masks, not the way we're wearing them. And they go, OK, there's a study that says they don't work. Yes, there's a study. OK, now we're going to enforce it. Now we're going to use our might. I was wrong, but I'm in the hopeless, and I can't admit I'm wrong, so now I'm getting cops to show up and shut your business down.

That's where the totalitarian part kicks in the actual doubling down so the mayor of oakland like london breed found the hoops hanging from the trees right and it was told to her that these are not nooses these this is exercise equipment and she says i don't care i'm getting the department of justice down here to investigate this is a hate crime. So she's using her might now to do something. That's where the totalitarian stuff comes in. You saw the border crossing and the guys on the horseback looking like they were whipping the Haitians, but they weren't. And the photographer said they weren't. That doesn't matter. We're having an investigation.

These guys are suspended. That's where the totalitarian part kicks in. Arresting people in the bay for paddle boarding. That's where that comes in. So when your ideas, but it's no, look, do you ever, Drew, do you ever have your wife when the kids were young and you know let's say you have a kid who's more accurate than

another kid I got a son who's pretty accurate you know and he was accurate when he was nine you know what I mean but at some point he'd get into an argument with his mom and at some point they'd be arguing about what time they were supposed to be picked up or something then he'd go i'll show you the email you sent me and she'd scream just get out of the

kitchen sure that's what the totalitarian part is do you know what i'm saying but weirdly that those are the same people that push back against any kind of authority at the same time. What do you mean? Because in any authority, any somebody and somebody, let's say, with a mathematical degree who comes in and says, let me explain to you how the bat and ball thing works. Get out of here. Scram. Yeah. Yeah. Bother me. But is it is it a denial? What is it? Where's the stemming? Here's what I think. Here's honestly what I think it where's the stemming here's what i think here's honestly what i think it is i mean i think it's two parts or maybe maybe there's more than one part people are insecure about their lack of intelligence true and when they're in the smartest people I know, the most secure people I

know always are constantly wanting to be proven wrong. Challenge my idea. Challenge my idea. The smarties in the room, they want to be they sit there. They're like Mike Tyson. I want to fight Razor Reddick for a second time because he punches like a fucking mule kicks. And I want another shot at this guy, even though he won the first time. I want to get better. You know, the metal is going to sharpen metal kind of thing. Right. So there's a kind of an insecurity that they have with their own intelligence.

The people that I have experienced this the most with are people that in their quiet times question their own intelligence. So thus, just like a tough guy who's insecure picking fights. You know what I mean? So there's a kind of an overcompensation. I actually feel lesser intelligent. I have maybe a little chip on my shoulder. I know people kind of think I'm dumb.

And so there's a kind of a chip that they have. kind of think I'm dumb. And so there's there's a kind of a chip that they have. And then they also have a kind of ego that's married to their batting average of being correct. That is very interwoven that they're that they're literally literally the way they look at themselves is by how often they're right and how often they're wrong you know and now you have the luxury drew yeah yeah and when i'm talking about you i want everyone just to think about me but i'm going to talk about you instead best-selling author celebrated you know many years many years of accomplishments with awards and plaques and trophies festoon around my, I mean, your office. Right.

You have a degree. You have a stethoscope. You have things that you're never going to mistake yourself for someone who's kind of worthless and dumb. You know, you may be hard on yourself and think maybe I should do more or I could have done more or I should work harder, but you're never going to mistake yourself for sort of a dingbat. You know what I mean? And so I think these people get very invested and they protect it.

They work really hard. And what they don't realize is to the smart people they now come across as dumber. So they're actually torpedoing their own case. But well, these are conversations of pretty much exclusively had with dumb people yes well i've noticed that smart can spot and know smart and dumb does not know smart and there's all this data uh where particularly in our country people grossly overestimate their intellect. That's just everybody does, literally everybody. I mean, you got to remember that average IQ is 100.

That's average. Half is, or some version of half is below the average. That's, you know, maybe not most people, but that's a lot of people are below average. A lot. Yeah, somebody said, yeah, if the average person, if you consider the average person stupid, half of humanity is below that. That's average.

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It's been going on for a long time. And I've dealt with it most of my adult life so i don't know i'm not sure why it's a it's so prevalent you know it's way more prevalent than it should be it's it's also a complicated landscape right i mean because of your reading stuff and the way the la unified edu didn't educate you your iq would not be, you know, on a formal IQ test would not be a good reflection of your intellect. Yeah. So there's a lot of craziness, you know, in trying to assess what smart is. Yeah, it I don't mind. But first off, pride is a killer if you're not smart or tough.

And that's the problem. It's a sort of there's a pride part of this that dumb people seem to be. They seem to have more pride per ounce than smart people. Smart people aren't that proud. They're constantly self deprecating. They're constantly looking at people that have done things better than them and are more successful and constantly think about ways they could have done things better or had,

had a, had a better solution to something. Maybe the bars raised because they think of themselves as, you know, highly functional intellectually, but there's not a lot of pride. I don't know if you really break down the word pride. I don't look at earned pride as pride.

I look at pride as something you have over your soccer club won the national cup. You know what I mean? Or, you know, I'm part Samoan, you know, or just any of that bullshit. It's really damaging. The pride, the pride gets you caught up in a team. It gets you caught. I mean, I see people out here, even some comedians and stuff like that. They'll go, I'm from the nine one foot one four area code.

Come on now. That's a long beach and uh parts of manhattan beach and it's like who the fuck cares where you were shit out you retard do you know what i mean they got pride they got a fucking tattoo of the fucking area code their mom shit them out in 28 years ago you know all that totally destructive and and it satiates and it fucks it it fucks you up and this is why i don't like any politician speaking to any group it's the worst it's it's debilitating so pride is really the killer and now what we did with the self-esteem movement is we tried to graft on fake pride to all the idiots who didn't achieve anything. Well, listen to this.

And we damaged them badly, by the way. I don't think I ever really experienced pride. Do you? Yourself. Yeah, I don't think I'd tell my like, I'm not. It's not a. Well, I have. I have.

I'm going to get high school or something when I want a football game. I would have been proud of us or something. I have pride in being a carpenter, let's say. Pride in your work. Yeah, I have pride in things I know how to do, but I don't have a general pride that's a heritage-based or my dad or my parents came here from. I don't have a general pride. General pride's neither here nor there, and it's kind of a waste of time. Just have pride in the things that you've done,

and also don't have pride in the things that are universal. Like, as a mother, oh, fuck you, bitch. Everyone's a mom. Jesus Christ. You know what I mean? Like, really? As a mom? Oh, yeah. Everyone's a mom. Jesus Christ. You know what I mean? Like, really? As a mom? Yeah.

As a father? You know, that's all bullshit. Shitting out kids doesn't mean shit. You can love your kids. Love your kids. But that doesn't mean you're better than anybody who's ever been fucking introduced to this planet. You can join the 200 billion people that have come before you many horrible kids who shit kids out on a regular basis so like don't have that pride you know

have a look if you build a wooden vessel in your garage and you know you've steamed all the planks and use the shiplap joint and you put your last coat of eight coats of varnish on it after a wet sand in between each coat of varnish then have some fucking pride when people come over and see that boat you've built that have some pride it's all got to be earned it cannot be based on being a proud woman of color or or plus size mama jammer any or whatever your culture is whatever it is fuck it it's a fool's errand and those people always they always do worse. And the people who are successful never talk about pride or their heritage or any of that unless they're trying to bullshit someone who's stupid.

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So there's this other study from the Carnegie Mellon University or Carnegie. Carnegie. His name is Andrew Carnegie. That's his name. You know, I actually knew Carnegie's great-grandchildren, and they did not say Carnegie. No, this is where it started. This is where the left taking over the language to correct you started. Yes.

This is not a right wing thing. It's Carnegie Hall. It's Carnegie Hall. I know. They turned it into a generous donation from the Carnegie organization. That's NPR. That's NPR.

It all started on NPR. It's the voiceover person who read it wrong. No, it's an NPR thing. Look, you can't see Kiev anymore. You have to say Kiev. Oh, sure. The Cannes and Cannes Film Festival toggles back and forth all the time, constantly renaming, not renaming,

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I want to bring on Paris every time people mention Paris. So this study, they found that men are less eager and likely to share negative information than women, while there was little difference when it came to positive news. while there was little difference when it came to positive news. So the author suggests that this may be due to a greater concern among men over how other people will see them, resulting in a tendency to self-promote by sharing positive information about themselves and not revealing their negative experiences to others. In the first study, people self-reported times when they felt like they were dying to disclose information to others

then indicated whether they actually had shared the information although men and women generated similar numbers of instances of wanting to share positive information like a promotion men were far less likely to report wanting to share the negative information like failure to receive a promotion a promotion and it's just yeah so there's just and is it so i'd say two things okay we men really we do if they're sort of in the workplace and performance that kind of stuff we really define ourselves by what we do yeah we just that's a thing but through history men shit on each other so much that when you divulge a negative or a weakness, your peers will shit all over you. You're weaponizing it against you. So you're of course more circumspect about bringing that kind of thing out.

But do you think that's an issue? No. Like in today's society? It's probably a good thing, really. Well, I'm going a little different direction here. What do you got? Well, because we're just talking about men sharing negative information, but who are they sharing it with? men sharing negative information but who are they sharing it with?

Because I do not share negative information with women because it's too big a fucking deal. You know what I mean? Don't want to talk about it too long. It impacts them too much. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? A little more empathetic.

Yeah. I mean, that's putting a kind of happy spin on it, but they get revved up. Drew, you know this with your wife. You know what I mean happy spin on it, but they get revved up. Drew, you know this with your wife. You know what I mean? They get whipped up. They get revved up. At some point they go, you know what?

Fuck that guy. I'm sending him an email. You know, like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, right. It becomes an ordeal. And you also don't want to think about it. They're going to go around and around and around.

Right, right. So for me, I'm much more apt to share negative news with men, but much less with women because the women part, well, in a weird way, it's not really fair. Like, I don't share negative news with my kids because it impacts them differently. Why bum them out? You know what I'm saying?

Yes. That's the way I look at women. Why? Why are you bumming them? They don't have a full, like, there's too much emotion and not enough context, you know. Is that why you waited? By the way, they will turn the shit on you, too, by the way. Oh, if you go to a woman like, oh.

Have you fixed this problem yet? This, you know, my birthday was the other day. Not a peep from Dr. Drew. Well, did you buy him something for his birthday? Now you're on your fucking heels now, right? You should text him and ask him about it. Is there something wrong? And then the next day, did you text him?

They spin it around. They'll say, women do this all the time they go they do the jujitsu shit they go that guy fucking that guy cut me off on the road well the way you drive i'm not surprised you know what i mean like they'll fucking turn it right back on you yeah don't ever you know if you ever could say someone at your office drew like oh this woman she's totally unprofessional well you don't know how to talk to your employees you know what i mean like it's up to them right it's a do not nice to them it'll either turn into a bigger deal or it'll get turned on you right either way nothing in it for me

so the reason you're withholding this information is not because it's something inherent in your soul it's just i don't want to deal with the bullshit of the reaction from a female. We are very practical. Men are very pragmatic with this stuff. Yeah. Wouldn't you say? I would. But do you think that there are some lingering health issues that could stem from keeping

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So I just literally took the pants down on the whole regime, exposing their weapons program. For more on how Ulrich the Mole, a Danish chef and family man, wound up working undercover in North Korea to expose its illicit arms trade, check out episode 527 of The Jordan Harbinger Show. Yeah, I think there's a pragmatic part of this that I just don't want to get into laps about negative subjects. Yeah. You mentioned not talking to your kids. You waited a really long time to tell your kids about your mom dying.

I wasn't even going to tell them. You're just going to take that with you? Yeah. They'd find out when you were gone? I didn't even know what they would know when I was gone. No, I never told them. I never told them that.

When your mom didn't go to your funeral, they'd be like, oh, I guess she's gone too. Yeah, I guess they'd notice her absence. Yeah, well, I didn't feel like bumming them out. They didn't really care about her. Had they been closer? Oh, yeah.

Had they been closer, yeah. I think it would have been a different. Yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't want to get into it but but do you think it was it really all for them was there a personal reason as well just like how you were feeling or what it wasn't i never looked forward you know i don't look forward to an uncomfortable conversation i don't want to fire somebody i don't want to tell someone someone died i don't want to fire somebody. I don't want to tell someone someone died. I don't want to tell someone to go move their car, you know what I mean? Or turn their stereo down. I don't want to do any of these things. I want to have any uncomfortable interactions. And so the first thing my mom dying falls under the heading of is an uncomfortable interaction with my kids,

which is enough for me to kick that can down down the road also then there's a pragmatic side she didn't really earn that conversation she wasn't right i think that wasn't really close to them she you know she she was consistent my mom and dad were consistent they were sort of you know mildly interested in their kids and a little less interested in the grandkids. Although they were, you know, around when they were young and, you know, saw the kids and that kind of stuff. But they're not my mom isn't capable of of taking full interest in somebody else's world or life or thing. She just isn't capable of it so i knew she didn't really care about them that much even though she would say there was great love you know what i mean but

she never she's been very clear about that she didn't really see him she didn't really ask about him you know they didn't but it was reciprocated they didn't have that kind of relationship with her i mean they didn't see her for i don't know a couple years before she died or a year and a half or something and they didn't they weren't missing her and also then there's a there's a kind of pragmatic part which is my parents people don't realize i've spoken about this before relationships are very um transactional if there's not there's not enough to just go there's great love. Someone's got to do something for the other person. You've got to fucking bake

shit. You've got to buy shit. You've got to take them here. Especially kids. It's all transactional. If you're the grandparent who doesn't spend money on them or doesn't bring a gift or doesn't run around with them or do whatever, take them to the dinosaur park or something.

You're off the table. That's their love life. They don't need you. You know what I mean? I always tell Adam, Chris, that our mothers did us a great favor because we have friends that, oh, my God, they're so upset when their mom died. We were like, we didn't really notice it that much. There was no relationship there.

No, I didn't notice it at all. I'm relieved sometimes when I get up and I'm like, oh, she's gone. I don't have to deal with whatever stupid conversation we're going to have about nothing. But, and then that makes me, that makes me a sociopath, but I would argue you got to earn that.

Look, you want to talk about nothing your whole life, then that'll be our relationship. But I'm not. That makes me not interested in hanging around. Yes. And based off your kids reactions when they did find out. You were. Oh, they told their mom, told him six months ago. Yeah.

They just didn't say anything. And they didn't care either. No, they don't care because they're transactional. Why? Why? What are they going to? What doional. Why? What do they care about? What do they care about? All they have is a declaration. I mean, what they care about is it's somebody in their life that's always been there.

And therefore, it's a piece of them, right? It's a piece of me. It's my life. This person, part of my life is going away people feel that but if there's not a real affection a real relationship it's the grief is not big well as a father yeah of color you're very special um heritage yeah i understand that i could see what you're saying all right sac. Sacramento tonight, tomorrow night. Some of those shows are sold out. We're going to have to check that out because punchline.

I think they're going. Fargo, North Dakota, Fargo Theater doing stand-up there. Then Nashville, Zanies, Huntsville. Just go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. What do you got, Drew? Dr. Drew.com for the pods and Dr. Drew TV for the streaming shows. So until next time, I'm Adam Crowell for Dr. Drew saying for the pods, Dr. TV for the streaming show. So until next time, I'm Carl for Dr. Say it. Mahalo.

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