The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1796 Belvedere Martinis

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Today, Dr. Drew kicks off the show by discussing critical thinking, irrational certitude, sanctuary cities caught off guard. Plus, Adam dissects the perfect martini. Please Support Our Sponsors: Angi.com The Jordan Harbinger Show - Available everywhere you listen to podcasts

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I've got to get it on. Dr. Drew's board Yeah, get it on. Got to get on the church. Got to get it on. Dr. Drew's Board Certified Physician Dick Schmesch Specialist. Schmeschen, Schmeschen. What's going on there, Drewski? Oh, got a lot of stuff. Let me just start with this. I know you did this interview recently about critical thought and the lack of critical reasoning this day. So I just finished the interview a few minutes ago. So it's on my mind.

But it is sort of odd. You know, the reason she was asking me, our interviewer, sort of why do you – this seems like an abnormal thing these days to actually have critical thought. I thought, oh, my God. Are we really there? And I remember I had a conversation with Bill Maher about this where I was saying, you know, I was in Amherst in the 70s. You were in Cornell in the 70s. And we were just – it was just drilled into us that you could never get to the truth.

You have to kind of always think about things and reassess and reassess and always doubt everything. And I feel like we're in a world now of irrational certitude. I think I brought this up to you before when people just – they're certain about things. That is irrational. Well, all right, let's deconstruct. Yeah. When you give your thoughts, whether it's kind of micro or macro, you know, sort of micro is at home in the kitchen and, you know, your wife wants to go here for a vacation and you want to go there for a vacation. So you start using your sort of critical thought on them. But you're doing it to make a point. Now, it could be to go here on a vacation or maybe you just go, you know, they say,

hey, on your way to work, can you drop the kids off at soccer practice? You know, and then you go, well, soccer practice is the opposite direction of work. And I have to be at work at 9 a.m. and I'd have to get up and you don't have to work. So you should be able to drive, you know, so it's sort of, you know, breaking it down kind of logistically, maybe mathematically. People engage in these discussions all the time. I mean, this is all you do. I mean, if you think about every single time I travel, you know, I say to Mike August, you know, well, why don't you come by the house and then we'll both leave to Solana Beach, you know, and we'll do a show outside of San Diego. And then he'll say, well, I'm out in Orange County. That's halfway to Solana Beach. Why don't you come pick me up at my house on your way to Solana Beach?

And then I say, well, your house is six, eight miles away from the freeway. So why don't you meet me by park your car at the whatever, by the off-ramp, then I'll come get you. That's all just sort of breaking it down, right? And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. It's a negotiation sort of breaking it down yeah right and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose negotiations or yeah it's like well i'd like mike to just come to my house and uh i'll nap in the car while he drives us both this is lana beach but i understand that he that's a lot for him to come back to la and then turn around and go back, you know, whatever. So everything is kind of a critical thought negotiation.

And then, you know, then you get to the macro stuff and you start talking about the border or closing schools or, you know, whatever that is. But if Mike said, I don't want to come back to L.A. and then have to go back to Orange County at the end of the night, why don't you come pick me up? And I just started crying and having a meltdown, then he might say, OK, fine, fine. I'll just I'll come to the house. He might also not say anything next time. Right. Even more important. So then he would then come to the house because I would pitch a fit. Right. And then I would get my way. Right. Yes, you would. And then I would learn

that I can get my way with Mike by having a breakdown. Yeah. Right. So when you engage in said critical thought, what are you trying to do? Well, you're trying to get your way. And you're trying to get your way with logic and math and, you know, coordinates and things like that, you know, in a sort of practicality. beat your practical wishes and your logical wishes with having a meltdown, then why wouldn't they quickly learn that that's a much easier route to go? Because remember, we all just want our way. And why not say, you know, you want Chinese food tonight and your wife wants Mexican tonight and you say, well, let's do the Chinese, you know.

And she says she's figured out that she can also lie and just say, I had Chinese food last night. You're out of town working, but we ate Chinese yesterday. So I can't really have it again tonight. So you can lie. You can use emotion or your wife could just break down and start crying and then you would end up eating where she wanted to eat. Now people figure this out.

And so we're now seeing it on sort of a mass scale. Yes. And that's the era we're living in. Now, the exchange with your wife or with Mike August or whoever, whatever it is you want, whatever it is they want, it relies on a kind of gentleman's agreement. You're not allowed to – I have no way to verify whether you ate Chinese food last night or not. I wasn't around. But what we're working on is kind of a handshake deal. And by the way, it's a two-way street. I'm not allowed to say I was out of town working last night.

We ate Mexican food. You know? Yes. But that's out the window. Yeah. That's out. Now it's anything. Well, because it justified the means now all of a sudden.

Yes. Everything is out the window. So whatever it is you want, that's the era we're living in. Well, because the ends justify the means now all of a sudden. Yes. Everything is out the window. So whatever it is you want, that's the era we're living in. I mean, the Major League All-Star game is back in Atlanta. It was gone last year or the year before, whatever it was, because people started crying and screaming about Jim Crow 2.0. Now, it didn't exist. It never happened. Everyone went out and voted.

There was record turnout. They'd forgotten about it, I guess, but they wanted their way. Well, it was Joe Eagle. Jim Eagle, rather. Jim Eagle. Joe Eagle is a fun name. Yes, yes. So here we are. And so that, so the side has realized, basically one side has realized

that they can get their way. And I told you when I had that moment with my daughter in the garage seven years ago, that's when I realized they realized, oh, I can do what I want. Because you feel a certain way. Because I feel a certain way. And once you get into feelings, then logic and critical thinking, it's all the enemy. And it's out the window. I feel like that we're hitting some moments, though, where things are shifting back. Do you notice Mike Rappaport suddenly has changed directions? He goes, I still feel this way, but the circumstance and the present moment are

unsustainable. We have to change things, which is kind of interesting. Now, I still am having a fit, but I have to admit, no bueno. No bueno to what? To things like the situations in the city, the Palestinian protests. Migrants being shipped there. Yeah. Yeah. Everything that's so out of control because of the lovely policies. Well, right. So the people that have their feelings and who want their way also live in the city as well. And so they have a meltdown about defunding the police. But at some point they get mugged. And then. Well, now we have the situation where we saw Eric Adams a couple of days ago.

Now, because New York's a sanctuary city, they're going to have to start taking funds away from the citizens to give to the immigrants, because that's what being a sanctuary city is. Put your money where your mouth is. No more trash. Not so much teachers. Not so many cops right okay you like that well again you're you're working math versus feelings sanctuary city is one big feeling what's happening right is math is coming in not math reality is just coming in well everybody who's for sanctuary cities when they walk outside their place in Brooklyn and see the park that they play with their kids and their dog at is now filled up with migrants.

Then they now now now reality is is met the road. You know what I mean? What's so odd, though, is that they couldn't see this coming. Well, that's that's. But when your're feelings-based, that's the thing. You don't – Even with feelings, you'd sort of be able to look into the future a little bit, no? No. No, that's what the feelings –

Well, the feelings say, you know, shut these oil companies down, cancel the pipelines, no more drilling. We're running off a green from now on. And that's what the feelings say. And then two years later, gas is six bucks a gallon. And you want to know why it costs so much to ship stuff. And diesel is seven bucks a gallon. And then you go, what is going on? That's how it is. Now, what you would hope for is that people, and not my mom, but politicians would understand.

You don't just, basically, Joe Biden showed up and he just canceled everything Trump did. You know what I mean? Like, we were energy independent. Well, cancel that Keystone pipeline. You know what I mean? Cancel that. What did he want to do? He had a stay in Mexico plan, you know, when he came across the border. Well, cancel that. You know what I mean? Just sort of feeling space, canceled everything. two big national basic subjects that are very impactful to citizens in this country.

You take the border, hence, you know, migrants, New York City, sanctuary cities. And this is taking place times L.A. and Chicago and whatever. OK, the border, the border. And then you take energy, you know, and Trump, you know, I don't know where those landed in, you know, in terms of the planks of his platform. But the border and energy independence were either one and two or two and three top five. I would say top three. Yeah. I don't know what was a bore above energy independence. And he's up there going drill, baby, drill and frack and Keystone Pipeline. And we're going full energy independent here. And gas is 235 a gallon. And the border is, you know, stout.

OK, those were two biggest things then biden showed up and he said what were trump's two biggest things and he said well they were the border and there were energy independence and then he said all right let's do the opposite of trump let's open up the border and let's cancel all the drilling and fracking and pipeline. Okay. That's what he did. Now, he didn't have a second plan for both of them. His plan was what's Trump's two biggest issues. Whatever he does is bad. So what I'm doing is good. Sure. So it'll be fine. Right. It'll be fine. Okay. So now it's been three years and gas is super expensive. Oil reserves and strategic oil reserve is down to very scary low levels. We're having to import fuel from essentially rogue nations.

Like I said, fuel is very expensive. It's impacting poor people and the middle class, as he always talks about. And now the borders open and these people are coming to the cities. And it's another thing that impacts the poor and the middle class, because the thing about the rich. The rich are never really fully impacted by any of these things in the sense that. In my tax bracket, six dollar a gallon gas versus 250 a gallon. It just doesn't affect my bottom line. It just doesn't.

It just doesn't. And in terms of the border and migrants and, you know, people setting up shanty towns and parks and stuff, it's not my neighborhood. It's not in Malibu. It's not Beverly Hills. You know, it just doesn't affect the high earners. It just doesn't. But it does affect all of the people that Biden claims to care about. Right. Yep. So, OK, those are two examples of just going, I'm going with my going with my feelings. All right, Drew, you got some business there? Yeah. Let's hear from our friends at Angie. Homeowners, you know how much work it takes to maintain that home, whether it's everyday maintenance or repairs or just taking on a dream project in addition to your home.

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They did it so fast with all that was going on. Remember? I had that daytime radio show back then, and they just immediately ran to it. Come here instead. Come here. We welcome you. Build bridges, not walls. And it's like, we already have a couple million that you guys

haven't accounted for. By the way, but the point is, they didn't build bridges. They didn't say, we are a sanctuary city, now let's get to work. They just said, we're a sanctuary city. This is what

I'm talking about. This is the feeling stuff. When they put those signs, you know, in front of the house, you know, nobody's illegal and love conquers all and science is science and stuff like that. It's like they're not doing anything. They're just making these empty proclamations. Well, it's weirdly the same thing as going out and demonstrating, too. Yeah. Because they don't know what they're demonstrating for.

They don't have a specific goal in mind when they go out and demonstrate oftentimes. Yes. Which is so odd to me. People go, how about in the 60s? Yeah, in the 60s there were two very specific goals. Out of Vietnam now. Right. Equal rights amendment now.

Right. It's it. Period. Those were the demands. Yes. And once theyal rights amendment now. Right. It's it. Period. Those were the demands. Yes. And once they got them, they stopped demonstrating. Yes. And here it's like, this is going on forever because when do we stop this?

What do you want? Well, they want – You want all Jews dead? Do you want – No. No. I mean, well, some – a fair percentage of them do. They want, you know, chaos.

They don't really want, you know, they want to tear down statues. They want stuff to go away. You know what I mean? They want to take down Shakespeare's portrait from the hall of the college, you know, because he's an old white guy. You know, like, that's what they want. Well, they don't, they don't have an end game and they don't want anything. That's what's disturbing.

Well, it's also what people need to realize and catch on to. That's, that's the problem. You think you're negotiating that Because, as I've said repeatedly on this show, they can never say, I want chaos and destruction. What they say is, we want black people treated with dignity, you know, and this kind of stuff. But then why are you burning down a CVS? You know what I mean? Like start- In a black community is better. Right, right. Start looking around. Yes.

Yeah, it's interesting. And you know that Newsom interview you did was making the rounds, right? We played it here before. But what was interesting with that, so I played it for Susan, and she goes, Belvedere martinis. Belvedere martinis.

I go, what? Huh? Do you remember having that conversation with her at dinner last time we went out? No. You go, the way you were going at Newsome reminded her of something you challenged her about, which is. Oh. She goes, I'll have a martini, Belvedere. And you go, why Belvedere? Why do you need Belvedere? And you go, why Belvedere? Why do you need Belvedere?

And you kept going. It was pretty funny. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. She just likes saying Belvedere. People get so defensive about that stuff. I find it part of the bigger picture, but it speaks to something, which is, here's what I'm saying. It's back to rational.

It's global. It's global for me. All right. Can I say it's global? Okay. I will often order a martini and then they will often ask what type of gin or what type of vodka. Yeah.

And I say, whatever the house is. Yes. I say it for two reasons. One is I can't tell the difference in gins versus. Well, OK, there's three things at work. We're at a nice restaurant. So I'm assuming that the house or well vodka or martini doesn't come in a squeeze bottle. You know what I mean?

Yes, yes. I'm assuming it's above some threshold. Yes. It's in a glass bottle. Were it not, customers would speak up. Yes. They would have already adjusted, in fact. And that kind of place wouldn't have that on the shelf in the back of the very expensive high-end steakhouse, right? So in my mind, it has met some threshold, and we've crossed that threshold to good enough, right?

It's sort of like if somebody said – if I said to somebody, hey, when you're in Home Depot, pick me up a 24-foot tape measure. And they said, which one? You want the Stanley? You want the DeWalt? I would say it doesn't. It's a 24-foot tape. They're all the same. And they're accurate.

They're different colors. You know what I mean? And different prices. But it's just a 24-footer. Take it. You know what I'm saying? Yes. And that's the same thing with the vodka and the gin.

But the bigger picture is when I say that, I'm saying, A, I sort of trust you guys. I don't ask what cow the meat came from and stuff like that. You know what I mean? You guys know what you're doing. So, A, I relinquish to you, number one. Number two, I can't tell the difference, and I don't think anyone can tell the difference between this gin and that gin. And then thirdly, on a practical level, I don't want to pay the premium for whatever it is above well. Right.

Or the house. So it's a practical. Good. Okay. Yeah. I'm scared. If I asked for a certain type of gin, you know, I want monkey gin or whatever. Well, the martini may cost $81 now.

You know, I don't want that. So there's three. What was the third? I got two. It doesn't taste that. So there's three... What was the third? I got two. It doesn't taste any different. One is it's above a certain threshold, so it's not going to affect me. Two is I can't tell the difference.

And three is I don't want to pay more. And I'm going to add a fourth, which is they've actually gone out and tested vodkas. People can't tell the difference. No, of course they can't tell. One vodka from another. It's laughable.kas, people can't tell the difference. No, of course they can't tell. They can't tell one vodka from another. It's laughable. No, you couldn't tell. I want Chopin.

Oh, the CVS isopropyl rubbing alcohol. I prefer over the Savon stuff. You know what I mean? It's like you don't know the difference between any of this stuff. between any of this stuff. It plays, it also, the reason for this is it kind of speaks to a quiet narcissism in the person, number one. Number two, it's a kind of lack of critical thinking.

And then three, it then goes global because it then affects all of their thinking. You know what I mean? The martini is just a sort of example metaphor global because it then affects all of their thinking. You know what I mean? The martini is just a sort of example metaphor for sort of how to think pragmatically. Yes. And I would argue that there's many kinds of cognitive distortions associated with the martini. Right.

You know what I mean? Even if just that I like it, I like that I'm getting that one. Right. That has a bias attached to it that infects everything. Right. Right. That's why. Interesting.

That's why I say whatever it is. And I probably could tell you how people came down on different issues. tell you how people came down on different issues. Not a hundred percent, but I could tell you how a person thought, where they thought emotionally or they thought pragmatically by what their answer was when they ordered the martini and they were asked what type of vodka they wanted. That's an interesting acid test now, right? Well, there's certain things. Tells. There's certain tells. I always know I'm going to get along with somebody.

Sorry, Susan. But Daniel does this too. I always know I'm going to get along with somebody. For instance, if they say you're introduced to them and then you go, is it Stephen or is it Steve? And they go, whatever, whatever you want. I go, OK, now I will get along with this person. Right. Yeah.

Why? It's only their name. You know what I mean? Like, what is it? Well, it speaks to something. Right. Yeah. All right.

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Yeah. And we're also dealing with someone who's sort of pragmatic because they don't want to have you have to sort of go through the machinations when you're trying to remember what to call them. Yeah, they want to make you uncomfortable while a narcissist wants to impinge on you. Right. Because it's all about them. Yes. Interesting. We need a bunch of tests like this.

Sort of are you a narcissist?, that you can slip into conversations. Well, the clue, I mean, the consistent clue or hint to this is it always involves them going, I don't know, whatever you want. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, what do you want? What kind of gin do you want? I don't know, whatever you have.

Yeah, yeah. What should we call it, Steve or Steven? Whatever you want. kind of gin do you want i don't know whatever you have yeah yeah what should we call it steve or steven whatever you want yeah yeah the non-narcissist always the default setting for the non-narcissist is whatever you want yeah right yeah which is not true for the non so so there's kind of a closet narcissist we have to protect against, the ones that are sort of codependent, like they're too into making you happy. You know what I mean? That's kind of another version of narcissist. Frankly, not the one you want to avoid.

They're okay to be around. What do you mean the narcissist that's too into making you happy? They talk about, theorists talk about closet narcissists, which are people that are codependent. They get – they experience themselves through making you happy and manipulating you or working on you. They're still impinging on you with them, but they're doing it in such a way that you have to like them and be happy and that kind of thing. I've not experienced that. You haven't noticed it? No.

You wouldn't remark about that. But there is a group which does things for you and then lets it sort of build up and then sort of cashes it in at some point. We're always doing the way you want to do it. I never stop doing what you, you know, there's that group. Well, that is where the closet narcissist usually ends up. Oh, well, then I have experienced that.

They'll start building resentment over time. Right. Because they want back from you whatever they invested in. And again, it's about them. Yes. Not really about you. Speaking of gibberish double talk, maybe Amy can find it, but somebody tweeted me, Gavin Newsom, Alex Michelson, your friend over at Fox, asked him a question. Alex Michelson.

I don't. Okay. Here's what I'm saying. He spells his name differently, right? How does he spell his first name? I think it's E-L-E-X. Yeah, E-L-E-X. Right.

But he says Alex, right? No, he'll correct you if you don't say Alex. Oh, well, then he's a narcissist. Alex. I feel like he says Alex. It's your ear. It's really hard to distinguish between Alex and Alex. Well, no, it's not even hard to distinguish.

You spell correct in your head. He says it. It's a name that doesn't compute. So you hear a word that does exist or a name that does exist. All right. Well, Alex. He's talking. Well, we'll hear him.

Yeah, because maybe he does say Alex. But he's asking newsome and newsome goes full words out which which i always enjoy yeah with newsome so here it is hi governor alex michelson from fox sounds like los angeles sounds like um all right play that again i don't don't you guys hear alex i mean it's it's in between alex and alex but it doesn't go alex like election yeah you know what i mean yeah yeah it's in between Alex and Alex. But it doesn't go Alex, like election. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's hard to do that. Hi, Governor. Alex Michelson from Fox 11 Los Angeles. Obviously, there was a lot of urgency to get this done. Yes. And this is an example of government working. The 10 freeway up and running. What is the lesson learned on this urgency

that may be applied to other things like homelessness or other things where we see the entire government come together and say, we're going to do this now? I mean, it's intentionality at the end of the day. It's focus, it's commitment and resolve. And it's about dropping everything else and just prioritizing a middle, beginning and an

end. We had a date with destiny in terms of our internal timelines and those that we transparently made public. And we wanted to exceed them. We wanted to beat our own best estimates. And so there was an internal competition of sorts between ourselves and agencies. There's pride in work, pride in product. Pride is reflected in security paving and their team and the contract, to your question, the contract that provided time and materials and a 21% contingency bonus. We have partnerships, we have federal reimbursements. There are a lot of conditions that are unique and distinctive in an emergency like this, but absolutely those things can be applied more broadly. And this can-do attitude, moving heaven and earth, as we reflected and stated over a week ago,

should be brought to bear on a lot of other things. So to me, this is directional. It's a flywheel effect. I think it only bodes well for subsequent work across the spectrum of issues here in this state. Do you understand that frustration why some people say, look, if you can do this for this, why can't we do this for other things? Absolutely. 3,275 encampments have been cleaned up at Caltrans since we announced Clean California. $1.1 billion was set aside. New partnerships. I mean, these are exponentials compared to what we've seen in the past.

It's a large state, size of 21 state populations combined. A lot of great things are happening all across the state. You heard the vice president make that point. All across America. What? I always say this. You know, they've been a mirror of your consistent thoughts. Whatever you focus on, you'll find more.

A mirror of your consistent thoughts. They'll focus on the success of this, and they'll find more successes. The mayor's successes locally, the supervisor's successes in her district, some of the members and senators, congressmen and women that are doing good work everywhere and also should be recognized,

not just the things we fall short of expectation, but the things where we exceed expectation. All right, so I told you we're in the era of circle, check, think, and talk, and that's why we can't get stuff done. He's being asked a direct question, which is if you can fix this 10 freeway so fast when you focus, why can't we apply this to many other ills in our society? And he just waxed on for four and a half minutes about nothing. Flywheels. Flywheels.

Intentionality. It's interesting that people think that words are arguments. Yes. That's the new era. Words are just words. They have to be used in an argument to make an argument, not just spinning yarns. It's like tall tales yes all right uh fargo north dakota doing uh doing a stand-up show there in a theater that'll be this thursday some tickets left but

you should get on that nashville zany's comedy nightclub by way, that'll be this Friday and Saturday. Huntsville, Alabama coming up this Sunday. I mean, oh boy, lots of shows. Kimmel's Club is going to be Thursday. You just go to where Agua Caliente Casino, by the way, second show added. That'll be

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