The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1826 The Thousand Yard Stare

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

While Ace is out this week, Mark Geragos reunites with Dr. Drew in studio as they begin to catch up, Mark shares a wild case in Arkansas, they discuss the problems with qualified immunity, as well as the dangers of overreach. Plus, what is the basic principle behind a scientific theory? Please Support Our Sponsors: Take charge at Biotiquest.com, with code DREW15 Shopify.com/adamanddrew The Jordan Harbinger Show - Available everywhere you listen to podcasts

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physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Mark and Dr. Drew Show. Get it on, get it on, no choice but to get it on. Mark Aragos here. I look forward to that intro all morning, Emmy, thank you. I can't believe

this isn't on YouTube so that you can see how much Emmy cracks me up when he does that. How much we actually love it. So I had when I scheduled this with Emmy, the whole idea was do it by Zoom because I thought I'd be traveling. Arkansas. Right, in Arkansas.

And so then for some reason this morning, even though I'm here in L.A., I still had Arkansas in the brain and thought it was a Zoom. Then it took me like 45 seconds to kind of run through, wait a second, is Drew going to be there? Ah, yeah. Right. That's what Gary called about. Yeah, yeah. That makes good sense.

Because next week I'm not, by the way, Emmy. We're doing it on Monday, correct, Emmy? That's right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and I figured maybe Susan would keep you home, cook you a wonderful breakfast in bed, serve it to you, and you'd say, I don't want to go to the studio. What? You you a wonderful breakfast, you know, in bed, serve it to you. And you'd say, I don't want to go to the studio. What?

You're living. Yeah, I know. I mean, I enjoy my mornings with her, but just not including that. So you're looking well and healthy and well-groomed. Is that because of court? I will do a little. Somebody called me a narcissist. And I said, okay, well.

In court? No, it was after I went, this case, I was trying in Arkansas and I've talked about this unreasonable doubt for God knows how long. Horrible case, horrible fact situation, but dates back to 2016. I, my client is, he's at school. He's a 17-year-old. He's nodding off in class, and they find some coating cough syrup or something. They suspend him, and they tell him they're going to expel him. He's suicidal. They call his mom.

His mom, a wonderful woman, Piper, comes to school, picks him up. But she was in such a hurry, she forgot her billfold at home. Meaning her wallet. Wallet. Yeah. She testified in her billfold. Yeah, yeah. Okay, all right.

You and I know it as a wallet. But it means her identification. Correct. Because her plan was she was going to take him to the hospital and check him in to get help. And she picks him up. They're fighting about it. Does he have a previous psychiatric history or anything?

Not really, but she'd been having problems with him. You know, he's a 17-year-old male. Taking opiates. Right. And he's denying it. Anyway, they go to the house. Her boyfriend had left a gun in the house or his guns in the house. He grabs it. He's suicidal. He tells her he's going to go kill himself. He goes into the house. Her boyfriend had left a gun in the house or his guns in the house. He grabs it.

He's suicidal. He tells her he's going to go kill himself. He goes into the woods. It's a very rural spot. She goes down there, and you have to listen to the 911. She's calling 911. The dispatcher is saying, can you disarm him? And she's saying, well, yeah, I'd rather he shoot me than shoot himself.

So she calls 911 dispatches. Oh, boy. And in the meantime, is she trying to disarm him? Is she actually trying? She tried. He said, get away. And he said, I'm not going to hurt you. Cops get there.

They call in a dog handler. And it's like, I mean, it would be Keystone Cops if it wasn't what ended up happening. The cops get there. They have no plan. I asked every single person on the stand, do you have a plan? No, we have no plan. You've got a suicidal teenager in the woods. The testimony was three guys, three cops are traipsing through the woods with the dog named Duco.

They get a barbed wire fence. The one cop does a cartwheel, gets up, sees the kid with the gun, tells him drop the gun. Gun at his head. Gun at his head. Tells him drop the gun. In that millisecond, his thing, he shoots him three times, kills him. Dead on arrival. Just right there.

They then don't tell the mom. She's thinking for the next couple hours he committed suicide. Then she realizes later on officer-involved shooting. Did he threaten anything verbally or was there any? Not a word. In fact, they testified, all three cops uniformly said that he had a blank stare, the thousand-yard stare. It was awful. It was just awful.

Yeah, boy. This case, the judge dismisses it on a motion to dismiss. I have to go to the case. Dismisses the case. I have to go back in 2017, 2018. He said that the cops had qualified immunity. Yeah, exactly. Because they thought he was threatening them.

Or he could threaten them. He could threaten them, exactly. I go to the Eighth Circuit. I get it reversed. Published decision on qualified immunity. We then go to the Eighth Circuit. I get it reversed. Published decision on qualified immunity. We then go to discovery. They do a motion for some rejudgment. The judge dismisses it a second time.

I have to go this time not to Arkansas but to St. Louis for the Eighth Circuit. I argue that. What keeps you in it? You just knew it. You knew it was a good case. There's something I needed to deal with. Because this qualified immunity, I've been fighting across the country now, Ninth Circuit, Tenth Circuit, Eighth Circuit. How about we go after it with the politicians too?

Right, right. Because that's where it runs amok completely. They can make decisions that kill thousands of people. Eh, whatever. By the way, I'll get to that in a second. Okay, good. Oh, my God, you're making me excited. We have some government that functions here.

So I then, we get it reversed again on the Eighth Circuit. Both of these are published decisions. Finally, they tell the Benton cops and lawyers for the cops are saying, we're going to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. They never do. We have trial starts January 29th. We're there for a week. That's this trial.

This trial. Same case. Eight years later. We get to the closing argument. I tell the jurors, you know, the hardest case. This is true, the hardest case for me, and I really don't know how many more of these I have in me, is a parent who's lost their kid. How do I talk to a jury who I, you know, I know them for a week, and how do I come across telling them value this kid? But they had no plan whatsoever. This was the current chief testified that he was assistant chief back then,

that when the then chief called him, he was away in Louisiana and told him, don't worry, we got it handled. Okay? And they proceeded to handle it. The handle it meant just cover up. So I told the jury, I don't know what to ask you for for damages. One million, five million. You value a kid.

I'm not going to do it. I can't do it. It breaks my heart. Juries, I close. So you, just out of curiosity, you were already also giving them advice on what the judgment should be, not just finding guilty. advice on what the judgment should be, not just finding guilty. Anybody who sat through that trial, mind you, anybody who sat through that trial, there was no question that this police department not only did absolutely nothing,

but it was ratified and it was a cover-up. I mean, I won't get into the, I'm not going to bore the listeners with what the evidence was, but it was a gimme. I mean, I've never seen testimony where cops just admitted to, yeah, we didn't know that this cop who shot him had a previous issue with minors. We didn't know that this cop had killed other people when we investigated this. We didn't know this. We didn't know that. They wouldn't even let me. I was precluded from talking about the fact that after this incident this cop killed somebody else too.

I mean, he's like a serial killer. But he always gets exonerated. Always. I mean, they always exonerate him. Are they going to keep him on that police department? The scary part to me is he can go somewhere else and get a job. By the way, he's now with the state police. And he's pulling my and the testimony is he's pulling my client over.

She has to leave Arkansas. So anyway, I close in the morning. And we finish. The jury goes out 11-ish. They've got a couple of questions. And they come back at 4.50. And I'm very worried. Five hours later.

Yeah. Too fast. Too fast. Too fast. And they say they don't find the cop liable. And to some degree, it's ingenious because I tried this case as

this was a preordained as soon as she called 911, they had no plan. No mental health training. Nothing about that. They held the department liable. Yeah. They held the department liable. The verdict number four.

The judge, who's dismissed this case twice, looks at the four persons and goes, $15 million? Like that. She goes, oh, yes. And then he turns around and goes, another $15 million? Oh, yes. And then another million. Another million was like $32 million? Oh, yes. And then another million, another million. It was like $32 million that they came back.

It was just last week. And now already the city has – We're bankrupt. Yeah. Judge, we need you to save this. They filed a motion to set aside the verdict. So I'm sure that I'll be ended up in the Eighth Circuit for the third time on this thing. It will be a 10-year slog by the time it's all said and done, all because of this judicially

created concept of qualified immunity. When was that created? I want to say it's about 40 to 50 years ago. So it's not 150 years ago. No, no. Late 20th century. We got nothing. I was reminded of this during the arguments for the 14th Amendment Section 3 with Trump. People are talking about the history.

It was Jefferson Davis and talking about whether this was what an insurrection is and whether or not it applied to national offices. And they're looking at historical precedent. Well, if you want to look at historical precedent for taking Trump off the ballot, more power to you. It's an interesting concept, although I don't think you have to go there

because you can just read the text and it does not list the president as an office. But look at the historical precedent for judicial immunity. A hundred years ago, it wasn't there. None. It was just created out of pure cloth. And how about administrative? So you mentioned, what about politicians? Yes.

What about politicians? I survived. I sued on behalf of a nail salon in Orange County, survived the motion to dismiss, survived the motion for summary judgment. Was this about lockdown? I sued Newsom for the lockdowns. It just happened this last week while I'm in Arkansas. The Court of Appeal, they filed a writ to the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal tells the trial judge, you better reverse yourself or we're going to because we're going to give immunity. And commandeering does not mean, by the way, does not mean when we shut you down and tell you we're going to revoke your licenses if you open up or that we're going to fine you. That's not commandeering your place.

What is it? Yeah. You tell me. What is it? Yeah. You told me. What is it? The Court of Appeal is about to bail out Newsom because we survived. They consistently, though, come down on the side of the government and public health. Like all the states, all the courts seem to do that in a way that's bizarre. What are we? Four years, almost four years after the fact.

Yeah. Coming next month, it'll be four years. I've got two cases that in Tynard Flats that are still alive. And you would think that somebody would say, you know what? We lost our minds. And we're going to let you kind of survive. But what is the court of appeal doing getting in the middle of this? But there seems to be some overriding principle that keeps bleeding through about public safety and what public health is supposed to be.

And it's this anachronistic idea of thus saith the Lord. And it's necessary for public health. And it's all wrong. It's all wrongheaded. It's not only wrong. It's the deference to somebody like a county health official. By the way, she apparently had suicide today in her ranks just today because of a toxic work environment. Wow.

I didn't know that. Just somebody texted to me before you walked in here. So good times. Wow. Well, a sociologist, not a physician making public health decisions. Right, making public health decisions, which the government does not want. I don't even want strict scrutiny. What about intermediate scrutiny as opposed to rational basis, which basically means now I just bless anything?

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. The thing to me that I keep hearkening back to is the – remember the red, yellow, green criteria for opening and stuff? And I looked at that. I was doing a local news broadcast with Alex Michelson. I go, this isn't, we're never going, today we would not be there. Right.

If those things had been allowed to stand, we'd still be locked down based on her judgment of what should happen. By the way, the only reason that wall started to crumble, and it's bizarre because for me, it's the opposite side of the aisle, is because the U.S. Supreme Court started gutting those things when it came to religious organizations. Other than that, our friend Harby was in that fight. I was working some of the cases. In other words, letting people meet in a parking lot or whatever, letting people meet somewhere. Well, Gorsuch would say, let me see if I got this right. You can go to the liquor store,

but you can't go to your church. Explain that to me. And that's just a tiny little microcosm of the stupidity of all of it. I mean, it's interesting now. I look back. There's still some, like I was watching 90 Day Fiance has these 90 Day Diaries. And their diaries are from the masking and lockdown days. And you see the insanity of people wearing a mask and then taking it off to eat and then taking it off to talk to people or taking it off to go to the podium. Or there was one guy seeing a urologist, seeing a doctor, and the doctor was wearing it around

his chin. And I'm like, this is so insane. This is so nuts. Well, don't you wonder when you see people still wearing them? Oh, my God. Because I see this. Now I feel bad. Like, what did we do to these people?

And they're wearing them outside. It's traumatizing. Oh, my God. God knows what we've done to mountains. It's traumatizing. Oh, my God. God knows what we've done to them. It's just terrible. And then now finally consensus of something I've known for three years, four years, six feet was invented out of whole cloth. Just invented.

We talked about that. It made this whole, but how many things were invented out of whole cloth? Go pay some bills. Pretty much everything. I know. That's the thing. All right. I want to talk to you about parallel economies too, but that's going to come up in a second.

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It's a super real conversation about fame and mental health. Moby was really open on this one. My first punk rock show was to an audience of one dog, and my first electronic music show was to Miles Davis. 1999, I thought that my career had ended. My mom had died of cancer. I was battling substance abuse problems. I was battling panic attacks. I'd lost my record deal. And I was making this one last album. And I was like, okay, I'll make this album. I'll put it out. I'll move back to Connecticut. I'll get a job teaching philosophy at some community college. And then all of a sudden, the world embraced me. I handled fame and wealth really disastrously. It was so humiliating. I wouldn't trade any of it.

For more from Moby, including how he bounced back from a 400-drink-per-month booze habit, check out episode 196 of The Jordan Harbinger Show. You know what made me think about this? Did you see Julian Michaels? Yes, with Marr. With Marr? Yep. But what did you think about what?

She was very insightful, right? Yeah. Yeah. She's been in here. She's been in this room a bit. And both Adam and I went, that woman knows some stuff. She was, I was mesmerized. Yeah.

And even Marr was like, what the hell? Yeah, you can see. It was like, Julian Michaels? You can see I wasn't expecting this. He loves that one, by the way. People have something to offer and they didn't expect it. Yeah. So what particularly?

Her economic assessment? No, the lab leak theory. Oh, yeah. Because I remember the first couple of weeks, Adam and I were talking about, was it this animal or that animal? What was the other one? Pangolin. Exactly. And we were talking.

And then it kind of evolved by week three of, wait a second here. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. When you have that. When you have that. It was Jon Stewart stepping up, if you remember, and going, wait a minute. There's something called the Coronavirus Research Lab eight feet away from where this thing broke out. What? Why is it that comedians were the early money on this?

They were not. They actually were not. It wasn't until Jon Stewart piped up for a second and he got crushed down. And then it really wasn't until Chappelle broke it open. Chappelle gave permission somehow. And that was a bit later. And even now you'll get – you put it on Twitter, you'll get – this insanity of calling somebody right-wing for a bizarre – for a medical opinion to disagree with

is so fucked up. I was with Jimmy Dorer yesterday, and he's a Bernie liberal. He's a Bernie Sanders liberal, but he's very concerned about the overreach and the intelligence organizations and the control and all the stuff that the Twitter files have opened up,

which I almost can't even believe it. I know. And by the way, I almost feel shell-shocked sometimes sometimes because when you cross that line to talk about it, oh, you've been red-pilled. Right. There's something wrong with you. You're right-wing extremists. How am I red-pilled? I've been the lefty liberal forever. Literally forever. Literally forever. Literally forever. And you have not changed. You have not changed. Adam has not changed.

The frame moved all over the place. And then all these unfair, weird criteria, you know, these weird pronouncements of who you are because of an opinion. Science about opinion. So back to the lab link. So I read the Nature letter. It wasn't even an article. It was a letter they threw together. And it was pretty compelling. It was good. It wasn't even an article. It was a letter they threw together. And it was pretty compelling.

It was good. It was well done. And then I listened to a bunch of podcasts that Christian Anderson, these main players in there, did. And they were like, look, Fauci did not – he just was – he sat there and was supportive. Now, they were going a direction he liked, of course. And so he was just very supportive and said, please publish it. Write up your findings. According to him, but they all were clearly going out to find.

So they had a bias to find where it comes. That's already a bias. Not did it come? Where did it come? And where did it come implies that you're going to look a number of places for some theories, not just one place. And the insanity above all else that was so – this is the comedy. You're a racist if you say they are high-level scientists researching in a lockdown lab that has a leak, but you're not a racist if you say they're dirty, dirty, animal-eating,

wet-market, sustaining, you know, sort of yucky race. That's so true. I hadn't even thought of that. You're racist if you say Lavely. What I thought was, what she pointed out, and this, you know, it'll be used by both sides, was the email where Fauci is saying 70-30. Right. That was early.

That was early. And he did move off that. See, I'm trying, Mark, I am trying to be as accurate as possible. It is getting freaking confusing, I got to tell you. I can't, I'm trying to figure out, I go to the hospitals, right? There's no COVID in the hospital. There's no ICU COVID patients, not because of COVID, that's for sure. Right.

And then people are publishing 2,000 deaths in the United States last week or something. I'm like, are they dying at home? What's going on? Where is that coming from? Well, I can't even – are they 100 years old and dying in nursing homes and it was going to be something and they just have to be COVID? Well, that was my mom. My mom was – we were literally talking about, you know, do we do death with dignity? We're going back and forth.

And then COVID takes her out. I mean, she was gone. It's the old man's friend, we call it. Pneumonia, the old man's friend, now is caused by COVID. That's what does that. So I'm guessing that's where the data is in there. But nobody parses that out. No, in fact, it's the opposite.

We just conflate it. Correct. The other conflation, and this is actually very disturbing, is they're conflating all the vaccine data with Alpha and Delta. In other words, 3 million lives saved. It's like, yes, I am prepared to sit here and say this vaccine was a – I think it was a good thing early in the pandemic. I really do. I think it had problems. I think they rushed it out.

All these things are true. I think it made a difference. I think it – did it make a massive difference. Not as much as we thought, certainly. Somebody played me, Jimmy Dore paid me a video of Peter Hotez on TV like 40 times. And each time he comes on, he says something radically different. We're going to stop the virus right here. You take the vaccine, this is all over. Well, it turns out we can't stop the virus, but we're going to keep you out of the hospital. Well, it turns out you're going to need another booster, but just a three-shot series. Well, it's always been three shots, and now we need a booster. It was so sad to watch these people scrambling with their bullshit. It really was sad. They should have just been, hey, we're doing the best we can. We're trying to figure this out. Our current recommendation is that you take this thing.

Instead, they were, you know, thus saith the Lord. Again, this is a dangerous thing for a scientist especially. By the way, for a scientist, can we talk about some – every single trial that I do, I'll give you my perspective as a lawyer. And I have an expert of some kind. You've always alluded to me to this. I have an expert. The first question that I ask them is, what is the basic principle behind a scientific theory? Is it that you get up here and you testify that I found that this is the answer?

Because I think that's the opposite of a scientific theory. Well, okay. This is the answer? Because I think that's the opposite of a scientific theory. Well, okay. Let me – I've got to write down the word theory because it has been adulterated so badly. That's exactly my point. It's what I was schooled in. Maybe I was schooled wrong, but what I was schooled in –

Well, hold your thought. Okay. Because I've got to introduce you to Bill Maher. Do you know Bill at all? Bill and I from years ago when he used to sub for Larry King. Because you know how we share a similar educational heritage. Bill is from that world too. And it doesn't exist right now.

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I recommend it. Cynical Theories, I will. I went on Amazon. I bought it. I read it. I read it twice. It really was cool Theories, I will. I went on Amazon, I bought it, I read it. I read it twice. It really was cool.

Who's it by? Two British, one's like a British biophysicist and the other woman was a writer, I think. But they got it. They got it. And here's, and I didn't know quite how clear this was. So we set this up for those who are not, who didn't go to elite, effete, liberal arts educational institutions. In the 70s and 80s. Right.

If you go there now, it's pure, none of this. That's what I said. I don't even recognize my education. I hope you pulled funding from your institutions. I sure have. Until they find their way back. I don't understand what is happening because – I can explain.

Please do. And this group, these two confirmed it. But one thing they did point out that I want to just emphasize, and Adam, I talk about this all the time, that people that adhere to this philosophy that I'm about to tell you have this extraordinary propensity to invest everything in things that look good on paper. A lot of things look good on paper. A lot of things look good on paper. Communism looks good on paper. All kinds that don't fit humans and the human experience. And history has taught us again and again and again that if it looks good on paper, it doesn't mean anything.

Well, that's a variation of Mike Tyson. Mike, who was a client of yours, and I heard it first from him when he said, everybody's got to play until you get punched in the face. There it is. So here is the basic history of this. Somewhere along the way, post-structuralism took hold in the United States. Now, I will point out that post-structuralism is Michel Foucault and Chausseur and Derrida and these guys who, in France, where they were a dominant force 75 years ago, nearly 100 years ago, after they had their day for about 10 years, they became—

By the way, do you remember what precipitated— The existentialists, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, the existentialists still hold sway. But in France, the pro-structuralists were completely dismissed as irrelevant and a joke, and they took hold here as thus saith the Lord. They're the greatest thing.

And one of the principles of pro-structuralism is that truth doesn't exist. Everything is a construct. And then it's a short distance to your brain has no content. It all is created by society, which is just false. We know it's false.

We know it's so false. But anyway, that takes hold. And now this whole notion of critical theory, theory now becomes how you define reality and define truth. And it's whatever system on paper you can come out with. truth and it's whatever system on paper you can come out with. And this notion of using this impaired instrument, our brain, to ascend to some approximation of the truth, capital T, gone. Gone. And it's gone in science.

It's gone everywhere. And because it's gone everywhere, treating, teaching the basic scientific method, which is, as you were pointing out, hypothesis, simple experiment, asking a simple question. They don't ask questions anymore in the setup of the question. That's exactly right. Because I used – one of the ways I prepared for expert witnesses traditionally is I would say, give me the CV. Then compare it to everything else you can find. Then on the CV, let me read what they've published. Right?

I mean, it's a simple thing. Just even if it's the abstracts, give me that. Right? Yeah. Something happened along the way. They don't, what used to be asking the questions doesn't exist anymore. No, they just go, they sort of ask these kind of sweeping observational. Right, it's observational.

Yeah. And then it's masked, it kind of transmogrified from this was our question, this was our hypothesis. Yes. Part of what the scientific method used to be was... Always was. France is baking forward. Right. We're going to come in. This is what we think. The hypothesis.

The hypothesis. We're going to test it. We're not even going to test the hypothesis necessarily. We may test a question that would help buttress, that would help confirm that. Exactly. So we can ask us... Like, I won a research contest would help confirm that. Exactly. I won a research contest where this was all going down many, many, many years ago. And I noticed that this one antibiotic was taking hold in the surgical residents and the surgical teams.

They were using it over and over again. And people did not seem to be getting better. And I was just seeing this and I thought, I think there's something wrong with this antibiotic. And it had been pushed hard by the drug companies and things. I didn't really realize how much of that was going on at the time. And I just said, do people get better on this antibiotic or not? Yes or no? Not.

Confirmed. I destroyed that. It was cast out of the hospital. Nobody got better on that antibiotic. And there were many alternatives that would have worked, and they were just using this one. And, by the way, that's a perfect scientific. Exactly. Simple question. Simple question.

Yes or no. We've got data. We can take a look. And guess what? I did a null hypothesis. So 30 years later, I judged the same contest. And, oh, my God, they were all over the place with these long stories. And I was like, did you do a null hypothesis?

And they'd all look at me like, I don't know what that is. I have no idea what you're talking about. So it's all been weirdly adulterated. And what's even worse now is, of course, it's motivated and people have a point of view and they don't understand how to check their own biases. And then the editorial process has been adulterated. So we're going to hold this conversation right there and pick up there. I've got so much else I want to talk about.

I am. But Mark, Eric is here all week with me. Thank God. We have so much to talk about. We've got a lot of catching up to do. Yes, we do. And we will do so. You can find me at dr.ru.com.

Also, do sign up for the Rumble channel. This is Valentine's Day, by the way. Happy Valentine's Day to our lovely wives. Yes, thank you. And one of those few times when Ash Wednesday and Valentine's Day are the same day. Interesting. So for those of you – When I see all the ashes walking around, I won't worry that somebody got punched in the face for not getting the right gift or forgetting

or something. All right. Valentine's Day, I've said forever, is a no-win for men. Gentlemen, you young men, you can't win. You cannot win on Valentine's Day. My youngest brother was born on Valentine's Day. Mike was born. We called him Val as he was growing up until my grandmother went no more.

I won't go there and tell you why. That was funny for a while. Yes, exactly. All right, Mark and I are back. See you next show. You better run. Dive into crime on Pluto TV. Unravel the mysteries on shows like CSI and Criminal Minds.

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