The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1828 Best Week of the Year

Episode Date: February 16, 2024

Mark Geragos wraps up the week with Dr. Drew as the bi-coastal elites share their relationships with New York City, Dr. Drew explains aerosolized respiratory virus, and they discuss parallel economies. Plus, the dangers residing within the emergency rooms, and the benefits of Telehealth. Please Support Our Sponsors: BetterHelp.com/AdamandDrew TWC.health/ADS – code ADS to save 10% at checkout The Jordan Harbinger Show - Available everywhere you listen to podcasts

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get it i got to get it on no choice but to get it on adam absent mark garrigus in the house where where is adam celebrating ash wednesday Ash Wednesday and Valentine's Day coinciding? Definitely not Valentine's Day. I've never seen him do that. I've never seen him celebrate a religious holiday either, so I doubt it. He had some work commitments. But, yeah, as the mics were heating up, Mark goes, is this the last one? Oh, damn.

Yeah, I'm a little, you know, I miss this. I know. We've got to do more of those. You know, Adam's going to get mad because I used to say Reasonable Doubt was the best hour of the week. This may be the best week of the year. Best week of the year. There we go. That's what I'm talking about.

I love it. I love it. You know, it's really like a freestyling of two old white guys. Professional white guys. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I'm a self-professed bi-coastal elite, and I guess so are you. In a weird way, yeah.

Yeah. Yes, it's true. And, you know, it's funny spending a lot of time in New York as we do. I have this totally different relationship with the tax system there, which is very familiar. It's very similar to what the tax system is here. But you get stuff. You get parks and transportation and the bridges. You get all kinds of things.

Here you get nothing. It's a toilet. You're throwing kinds of things. Here you get nothing. It's a toilet you're throwing the money down. Well, it's also, it's so frustrating that, especially in the city. New York City. Yeah. The city does, they try at least. I mean, that's the thing that I admire about New York City.

They try. They may not make it, you know, and I may disagree and whatever else, but at least I see trying. L.A., I'll give Karen Bass this much credit. At least when I get off the off-ramp, I'm not looking at what I used to, but it's almost like they still haven't cracked the code. For what? What do you say?

The idea that we've got this legitimate, I don't care who you are, there is a legitimate problem with the people on the street and their mental health. And I know we keep talking about it. But how long can you let that go on? It's not doing them any favors. It's also lost its political import to the people that were using it as some sort of indictment of capitalism. It's ridiculous. It's not home prices. It's nothing like that.

It's ridiculous. I mean, yes, things are expensive. Rent is too damn high. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It has nothing to do with the homeless problem. And it's getting absurd. Nothing whatsoever. And by the way, I've got a couple of cases where there were street vendor activists who were pursuing guys and things. And it was the craziest.

It was like, what makes you wake up in the morning and want to embrace? Well, I'm guessing somebody funds it. Yeah. And that's the hideous part. It has to be. Yeah, that's the hideous part about this. And mind you, I'm only two generations removed from my father and grandfather selling fruits and vegetables in Alhambra.

So I get it. father selling fruits and vegetables in alhambra so i get it but at the same time it seems to me that there are this issue is is kind of a proxy or trojan horse yeah yeah and it's not working anymore people are not falling for it no and i think generally people are not falling for all the bs right whether it's covid whether it whether it's what we're discovering with the Twitter files, whether it's government overreach all over the place, people are starting to wake up. But the hard part for me is this back to a thing we were saying, I guess, last show, which is how do we talk to our peers? There's still people who are so silent. Because who are your peers at this point that you can talk to about this?

Most of mine have fled California. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's interesting. The lawyers are interesting. I don't know if you find in the medical community. Who do you talk to now? I end up talking to people that were canceled, like Jay Bhattacharya. He's one of the most brilliant.

Yes, and really a serious scientist and a great human. People like that I end up sort of turning to to have these conversations. But when I talk to people I work around in my office, I can see their abdomen tightening up. Yeah, and where is that coming from? Is that PTSD from cancellation? Well, like they were – for a while they were supposed to wear masks in medical environment. That seemed insane to me. Surgical masks, always insane because they don't – they're useless.

Even though I know there was a recent study where it looked like – I don't know what's wrong with that study, but something's wrong with it. Surgical masks are useless. That's just mechanically the case for an aerosolized respiratory virus. Not for a spit-borne bacteria, which is why surgeons wear them. It's an aerosolized respiratory virus.

And my doctors in my office started wearing them, and my staff was like, I don't know what we're doing. I'm like, don't worry. Screw it. And just to have the conversation, impossible to have the conversation. You can't have the conversation. And so my thing is, hey, you want to cover yourself? Fine.

You're not helping anybody else. And you're also not even helping yourself because you're not wearing the right kind of mask. But all right, good luck. You know, I was thinking about this because you – By the way, that passed. Where did that all go? Yeah. The whole world shut down because –

Oh, my God. It's like – Yeah, it's nowhere. The whole world shut down because, oh, my God. You know, I was thinking, speaking of the Super Bowl, which both of us missed at Adam's house, I would have loved to have heard Adam's reaction to the RFK ad. Oh, yeah. Did you see the RFK ad? I did. It was interesting. Yeah.

Very interesting. What was your reaction to that? Yeah, very interesting. What was your reaction to that? My reaction to that was either it's an implanted memory or I remember the original ad. I thought it was very clever that apparently his whole family came out and trashed him. Which is weird. By the way, it wasn't his ad. It was a Super PAC that put it on.

It was a Super PAC's ad, which drove people crazy. It must have worked then. Yeah. Obviously, it had because there were some of those ads, a couple that were good, but most were really bad. But it's interesting how he's been kind of – or there's a movement to marginalize him and make him into a caricature. marginalize him and make him into a caricature. This is a guy, mind you, I spoke earlier in the week when we were talking about national trial lawyers. When I first met him was at national trial lawyers, people, or a lot of people forget,

this was a guy who was at the highest echelon of environmental lawyers. Cleaned up the Hudson River. Single-handedly. He used to sue and get incredible results and hold polluters and environmental scofflaws accountable. This was a guy who did the work. We're not talking about some fly-by-light, insane person running around anti-vaxxer or whatever the characterization is.

This is a serious guy. I mean, you know, in some ways, it reminds me of the caricature, and this will drive people crazy, of Hunter Biden. I talked to Hunter Biden. Hunter is thoughtful, smart, guy who had an addiction problem, readily admits it, has overcome the addiction problem, was working at Boy Schiller, which is not an inconsequential law firm. He's a smart, smart guy. The caricature of him is really offensive, and it's the same caricature of RFK Jr. RFK Jr. is not some tinfoil hat wearing crazy.

I've not endorsed him, but I've been working with him for a while. He said something to me, my first interview with him was probably a year or so ago. He said, you know, you're really courageous to talk to me. I was like, what? I need bravery to have a conversation with another professional in public?

What is wrong with us? That's when I immediately was like, I've got to get a conversation with another professional in public? What is wrong with us? That's when I immediately was like, well, I got to get up around this guy. I want to support him because the fact that he is being cartoonized, but he isn't turned into a cartoon. If you run amok of the press in particular, you're turned into a cartoon. Yeah. Right away. And by the way, do I think that Trump is the caricature that he's been made out to? No, and I don't think Biden is the caricature he's been made out to.

I know for a fact, I don't know either Trump or the president, but I know for a fact based on my dealings with RFK Jr. and with Hunter, they're not that, they're not even, it's not even close. It's not even remotely close, the caricature that they've been made out to. And I say this about Kamala. Kamala, for the, and I've laughed as much as anybody when vignettes of her come up. I get entertained. But I've seen her.

She's got a skill set that I have watched when she was in the Senate when she would cross-examine people. She's got a skill set. I remember that, too. And that's why I look now and go, what's going on? It's the caricature. I mean, she used to in the Senate. And I don't know whether it's her handlers, I don't know whatever else, but she has been marginalized. And it's a caricature. That's not who I know in a courtroom. her staff hanging around to dry or something. Because the James O'Keefe thing I did, he did a guerrilla interview with a high-level

White House official who was talking shit about what's going on with Kamala and how particularly she mistreats her African-American male staff, I think he said, and that generally she's terrible to work for. And I'm wondering if they're the ones sort of setting the... Kind of putting the knives out? Well, it's... Just sort of hanging around to dry a little bit. It would really be interesting.

I don't know where you would go to do it. It would be interesting to get somebody who comes at these things or reports these things without all of the baggage and the caricature. Well, so that's why there is a Tucker Carlson and there is a James O'Keefe. Because these are just concerned citizens that are going at it their own way but are actually going at it. Going, the stuff that people aren't doing. Well, and look, I could disagree with Tucker and I probably do on an infinite amount of social issues. But at the same time, why do I not want to listen to Vladimir Putin? Why do I,

why do I, why is it that that's giving him a, this idea that if I give somebody a platform, I'm endorsing them. Oh my God. This is the, this is the insanity of the present moment. How dare you platform.

You're platforming somebody that, that is, that is sunshine is how you a address paranoia. You want to make paranoia worse. moment. How dare you platform? You're platforming somebody. That is, sunshine is how you, A, address paranoia. You want to make paranoia worse? You start covering stuff up. That's how paranoia gets going. And secondly, trust the people to make their own decisions. People are

not dumb. And who's our government to be telling who we should and shouldn't be talking to and listening to? That is disgusting. So I watched just last night, the night before the senator from Louisiana doing a cross-examination, if you will, was a Senate hearing with a woman who was a current state circuit court judge. Do your spot, though. All right.

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And you know why? All right. Look at this. I can't wait. Oh, that's nice. Isn't that gorgeous? You know what he's doing? He's sitting backstage killing time.

It's a 58 Porsche 356 Emer6 every special speedster god what a gourd look at that car let just he's he's killing time he's uh probably doing uh yeah wow what a what's that show called oh what is the funny you asked funny you should ask yeah funny you should ask wow i mean i'm that that that got me sidetracked all right all right let's let's go let's go back let's stop parallel economies a little bit because okay because because of all this craziness uh people are getting you know the all the stuff we're talking about people are aware of it at least what i find is when people aren't aware of it, that's – You wonder, as I say, what do you –

How do you stay in the silo? How do you not at least question some of these things? By the way, my father used to have an expression about when I'd say, why are you miserable? Or when he'd say, only happy people are kind of slow. Yeah, you're not seeing it all, I guess. I don't know. But because people are tired of buying products from people that seem to hate them or are not interested in what their needs are, these parallel economies are coming up all over the place.

It's amazing. And what would you give as probably the best example of a brand that's leading to that? Well, I'm going to tell – in a few minutes, I'm going to give a plug for the wellness company. It's a group I've been working with. And I'm so tired of trying to support the physician-patient relationship. It's been so adulterated by physicians being employees, by time constraints, by electronic records, by insurance companies. Now I'm thinking I just want to empower the patient. I want to give them things they should have. Like when I – patients go on trips all the time.

I give them a kit. I give them a kit of antibiotics and antibiotics. What a great idea. And so we're going to do that through the wellness company, give them travel kits. Right. It's not like people don't know how to – these are – You know, that's so funny you say that. I was talking with my partner, FaceTiming, with the New York partner, who's off some

foreign country at a beach somewhere, and she's wearing her sunglasses at night. I said, what are you doing? She takes her glasses off. She's got an eye infection. And I said, what are you going to do? She goes, I don't know what I'm going to do because I'm you know it's a short trip

I didn't bring anything I don't know anybody here blah blah blah that would have been perfect it would have been perfect and you were giving me some more ideas for stuff to put in the kits

by the way and we have emergency kits with antibiotics and things which names you've heard you know how to use them and a kit and instructions

on how what a great idea and then telehealth backing it up if you have any questions like she could call telehealth right and diagnose and what the criteria is. What a great idea. And then telehealth backing it up if you have any questions. Like she could call telehealth. Right. And diagnose.

And by the way, she's in Spain, is that what you said? She's in, I want to say St. Bart's. Oh. I don't know what country owns that. St. Bart's is English. Is it not? The point being is they've got a lot of stuff over the counter. And with telehealth, you can go, all right, go in the pharmacy and get blah, blah, blah, blah, and that'll take care of it.

It's just these things should all have patients should have access to this stuff. This system is so encumbered and so broken. And COVID just pulled the scab off where you could see all the short cut. Well, it's, you know, for me personally, and I think I've told you this a zillion times. For me personally, and I think I've told you this a zillion times. In fact, when I did your show, I think I mentioned it. I remember cross-examining in a case where we hit for a zillion dollars. I was representing a nonprofit suing Pfizer. We had the chief medical officer on the stage.

Oh, I remember the story. Tell me. And I'm cross-examining this guy. And we're talking about, I forget the drug, but it was one you knew about. It was a pain reliever. And it was killing people. Vioxx? Was it part of the Vioxx?

Yeah, it was Vioxx. And so I kept asking the question, when did you realize that you were killing people? Objection! Objection! And they wanted to muzzle me in front of the jury that it was an adverse event. It wasn't killing people. Literally, that was a motion that was brought that Mr. Garagas could no longer say killing people. He has to say adverse event.

And when the jury saw right through it, awarded a zillion dollars. And obviously the judge took it away from us. And then, you know, but it was eye opening because they put experts on this stand. Pfizer did. And I would ask, and I parachuted in this case, I don't know, a short time before the trial. So I'm looking at the guy's CV as they call him and they're calling him on direct. And I'm looking at his CV. This guy used to work for Pfizer, of course. And so then I start cross-examining.

You work for Pfizer now. I mean, back then, yes. And you were in their medical department, whatever you want to call it, back when all of this was going on. Yeah. And now you're a consultant somewhere else. and then you went straight into the FDA. I mean, it was insane, the revolving door. And that now is routine. Back in the Vioxx days, we would have been like, hey, whoa, what's going on here?

Now it's like, that's how they do it. And that's what RFK Jr. alerted me to. And again. He kept, I watched something, by the way, I want to say from 2011, where he was explaining this, which would have been four years after I three years after I tried that case. And it was because I'll tell you 2008, whenever we tried it, I was astonished. How do you get away with this? So let's look at that it's a great great uh sort of uh jumping off point to talk about the vaccine which is that vioxx killed eight people twelve people

something like that yeah twelve people he was an excellent medication by the way it really was good painkiller and i was i was disturbed when it was taken off the off the air but i mean off the you know taken away but okay i understand and it was being used. Was that, as I remember, it's been so long. Wasn't it being used off-label too? I'm sure. We use everything off-label. But I have some pain and arthritis patients that have never been the same since they took Vioxx off the market.

Really? Yeah. But it was dangerous medicine. They killed 12 people. Now, fast forward to the vaccine, right? matters. They killed 12 people. Now, fast forward to the vaccine, right? So how did they decide that Vioxx was having an adverse effect, right? Who decided that? How did that come to light? You remember? Yeah, well, I'll tell you how it came to light. The accusation was that my client had a database that he had assembled from spy centers. It was a schema and had,

I think, as I remember, 22. He inputted all the data. So he had a- So one person was able to make the association. Yeah. And why couldn't Pfizer make the association? What were they missing? They didn't want- What were they missing? But they must have seen the events, right? They saw it, but they wanted to avoid doing the study. Okay. And so the way you do that was basically, the allegation was, was to hire one of the scientists, co-opt him.

To tell him it's not. Exactly. Well, guess what they're doing with the vaccine? What? So when serious events occur, what is the FDA now? It's the FDA that does it. They hire a guy. They got a guy.

They got a guy who goes out and says this was or was not related to the vaccine. That's it. That's the same playbook as Vioxx. And nobody is back. Nobody says a word because you know what happens? You end up getting, you sue them, you show it, you lay it out. It's all on the record. Go take a look.

I laid it out in 2008. And what happens? Judge takes the verdict away, and you go on your merry way, and 15 years later, 16 years later, we're here talking about the same playbook with the same playbook with the same company and infinitely more adverse events. And so now, look up Joseph Freiman, F-R-A-I-M-A-N, if you guys are interested in his stuff. He did some very excellent studies on it.

He has phone conversations that he taped because he's in Louisiana with the FDA and it's just astonishing. I would love to hear that. Oh, I did a couple interviews with this guy. There's one where he's on his team as a rheumatologist from UCLA, a pediatric rheumatologist who had a five-year-old, a seven-year-old die, like within 24 hours of receiving the vaccine. He sent in a report to VAERS, ignored.

And he goes, the head of the FDA is on the phone. He goes, it's just an N of 1 here, but here was my experience. And the guy goes, oh, my God. We normally take those things kind of seriously. It's hard to think that fell through the cracks. And Dr. Fryman goes, it did fall through the cracks. You should be freaking out and saying, well, we're going to get to the bottom of this immediately, and it will never happen again.

Instead, it's like, well, I guess it fell through the ground. A seven-year-old's dead. And then you're going to send the guy out, a guy, to decide whether or not it has something to do with the vaccine, that guy. And now Florida, you know, Florida's taking some action on this, right? The Surgeon General there is, I think... Yeah, I saw that, but I'm not sure that he didn't get, for the legal term, cock-blocked on that, if I'm not mistaken. We'll find out what he did. Take a look. He, I think, stopped it for kids.

Right, but I think that that got, well, take a look. All right. Let's see if I can find it. I'm going to talk with the wellness company now. And, of course, there are many pharmaceuticals produced outside the U.S. When a crisis hits, they can clamp down on those exports. So stockpiling, rising prices, empty pharmacy shelves. You need to have the stuff yourself.

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I'm going to get it. And it's not just the supply chains. It's having these things on hand. You've used Z-Peng. Yes. Of course. And we have some direction. And we have telehealth on the backside if you need help.

There you go, Emmy. By the way, that's all I want. Yeah. You know what I mean? I want the basics. And what people do instead is go to an urgent care center, which is a giant infrastructure with multiple employees. You're paying for all of that for no reason. And by the way, well, I work in the way of Abby.

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Okay. So I was going to say, by the way, it's probably also healthier because the last place in the world I ever want to go is an emergency room or an urgent care center because everybody who's there, God knows what they've got. And the physician, outpatient physicians are so busy, what you're going to get is they'll see you in two weeks. No, have it on hand. It's ridiculous. By the way, what I love about telehealth is if you are, you know, now that you've got the ability through a search engine to kind of plug in your symptoms, kind of figure out what's happening with your body. Then you've got somebody you can test it again, which is what I do with you.

I've done a million times with you. I've got a friend, Tao, who's a good friend. I do it with him. I've got Ara, who's another one, Dr. John. I mean, I've got a network of guys that I talk to, and that's my telehealth. Yes. I just need the little, I need the goodies.

Yes. The goody bag. TWC. So, Dr. Latipo, I've interviewed him a number of times. Do you find anything out about what happened there? No, no, but I will when I come back. He took down the vaccines about a week ago, maybe even a couple days ago. I think, well, I'm not going to speak out of turn.

We'll wait and see. But it was the governor and him. Yeah, but I think there was some legal action that was taken. I mean, I'll find it. That's so weird. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, you have to think, you know, I remember in real time that you were the one who alerted me to the fact that the risk from this to kids under five.

The vaccine? Yeah. To me, it's really the risk in the teenage and young adult males where we know there's myocarditis. We know it. Myocarditis is a no bullshit problem. Lots of arrhythmias, lots of, I'm beginning, I've seen some very bizarre coronary disease

lately in young people, and I'm beginning to, like a Seymour Hotchkiss, convinced that that is part of it too. I'm beginning to wonder. And none of it is getting picked up and studied. Why? Why wouldn't we? I don't know. I guess no pharmacy pharmaceutical to fund it or something? Well, you would think they would want to fund it, right?

Create the problem and then fund. Isn't that the joke about Ozepic? They can fix it. Yeah, they can fix it after they've created it. But the – and then the editorial biases, they won't publish it. I mean, mind you, to me, again, they're poster children for each of these topics. And the one for non-publishing of good studies, there was a woman named Menakee, I think her last name was, a physician researcher in Denmark,

who had a study that showed in the early days of the pandemic, 90% of the adverse events from the vaccine were in 10% of the vats, of the units. I read that. And that study took two years to get published. You can get it published anywhere. And there should have been a whole school of follow-on studies. Nothing. There's something terribly wrong. Well, this is, once again, the problem with immunity. When you approve something, you give it immunity. The EUA immunity.

To quote our fearless leader, Adam, there's only one way it can go. And my greatest issue is the very people, like I watched a video with Peter Hotez yesterday where he was like, EUAs are no good. It's rushing things out. It's not going through the normal pathways. And then we're not doing the research we normally do. Fast forward two months.

He's like, yeah, we rushed it out. Well, it's a great vaccine. It's lucky us. And it's like, okay, we have problems with this vaccine. We're wondering about it. Why can't we ask the pharmaceutical company? Why doesn't the FDA ask to go back and do the studies they would normally do? Actually do them. And what's the harm? Guess what? There might be some issues there. And so the fact that they're not asking for it is scandalous, in my opinion. It's a serious scandal.

And in the meantime, push, push, push, particularly in populations. I mean, we're the only countries in the world that pushes it in children. Yeah, I know. That's why I come back to that. The one with children really gives me a lot of pause. Great Britain, the U.K. is starting to have a little bit of momentum with getting things actually looked at. They're slowly getting things in front of the MPs, slowly getting into the parliament. What do you think's the catalyst for that? Just activists. People have been harmed

by the vaccine. The prime minister was on a TV show and one of them stood up and said, what are you going to do about me? I'm sick. I've been sick ever since I took this vaccine that you required me to do. And he said, I'm going to look into it. We've never had anything like that before. We will have an inquiry. I wonder how much is the virus, how much is the vaccine, and why that has – How much is both. How much is both.

Right. I just want to know that. I suspect both. Yeah. So do I. I think the virus has, you know. Here's my opinion. It's the spike protein.

Right. And the spike protein is produced when you get infected, and it's produced when you take the vaccine. So if the spike protein is the pathogenic medicine, where does the risk-reward diathesis shift? And it's no longer worth vaccinating people against a mild, mild, mild illness. And no one's having those conversations. It's just like, it works, it works, it's good, it works, it's great. Right. And if the virus has kind of mutated to the point where it's –

So mild. So mild. Yep. And we've been exposed enough times right yep yeah yeah what is the what is the point because the point what is the point what is the point especially when there is some you can argue about how big the risk is some risk to, say, a 23-year-old male. There is some risk to him. While there is no risk of the virus. Right.

And if that's the case, historically, if we go back to Vioxx, if we're going to have that as kind of a five-alarm fire standard, then why are we abandoning that standard here? I think the only way this is going to get sorted out is in the court. So please, if you – I can introduce you to a guy that's doing the kind of data collation that your person did with Vioxx. They're out there. I would love to see that. The problem is, is that the immunity takes out – I hate to be crass about it – takes out the prize. So who's going to fund this if there's no way to recoup later on?

And it's an interesting kind of discussion. People always want to tort reform and they always want to kind of caric been, some of the greatest solutions to problems, societal problems, have been born out of litigation. And I feel like all the stuff we've talked about all week, the courts are our only hope. Yeah, they really are. It's got... And so I've heard a lot less about tort reform lately, I gotta tell you. Yeah, because people start to understand.

Well, it's interesting also, I read a article about a guy whose name I've got a metal block on right now, who has started the conservative movement's funding of taking over the courts. And the article's premise and conclusion was, is on the right at least that they decided at a certain point that the courts were where they can have the most impact. So they backed off. Yeah. Yeah. And I think sort of the average citizen who is sort of moderate and kind of independent, those are the people that need – they're not going to get representation, it feels like, certainly not in the press. And so the core is going to-

And by their politician, they're going to compete. And the politician- They're going to compete. You hear all the bromides about special interests and this or that, but it's very hard to get on the phone and get a politician to explain what your problem is. In fact, they tend to have the opposite. They don't want to hear that. And they seem adulterated. They seem completely... Right, because they're in a never ending fundraising machine

or echo chamber. And then we are just horrible. We've got to get through this. Again, study your history, everybody. We've talked about that a little bit this week. It's what will inform how we proceed. And I wish you Godspeed in getting

as many of this stuff in front of a judge as possible. Well, it's the hopefully, knock on wood, November, we've got one of these going to trial. A vaccine thing? No, but it's the shutdown. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah. If we can get past that, then next up after that. And we have to put some – and then we have the World Health Organization bearing down on us. I mean, all this stuff needs to be a massive, massive pushback, everybody. You don't realize how much of your life is going to be impacted by this and impeded by it. And they don't care. They don't care. No, no, at all.

At all. It's only one way. So, all right, we've got to wrap this thing up. Mark, it's been a pleasure all week. We can go another two weeks easy. Easy. Easy. Thank you to the Bup Boys.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Reasonable Doubt, lamag.org. Yeah, yeah, lamag.com. Dot com. Mark, thank you, sir. ReasonableDoubt, LAMag.org. Yeah, LAMag.com. Mark, thank you so much. And for me, it's Rumble Channel. Check that out, Dr. TV, Dr. Com. We'll see you all there.

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