The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1829 Shame Intolerance

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

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You're in your hotel room? In hotel room. I'm down here with the wellness company, TWC guys, and really interesting. I've been in meetings, meetings, meetings, but I swear to God, I think we are going to come up with revolutionary ways of approaching viral illnesses. I got to tell you something. I just got to tell you a quick story. We had this crazy experience. I'm meeting a lot of the doctors in this group for the first time, and somebody's husband got sick, like really was getting fever and chills and was getting sick as hell.

And Dr. McCullough goes, look, I want you to give this much ivermectin, this much toxocycline. And I'm thinking, oh, come on. And I'm thinking about protease inhibitors and things like that. And that dude got better in eight hours. I could not believe it. To me, it was just such a striking experience. And for this Dr. McCullough, who's a world-renowned cardiologist

and highly published chief of medicine. And I thought, well, this is the guy that's going to come up with stuff like that. So it was very interesting. Was it COVID the person had or something else? You know, we don't know because he wasn't tested, but it just occurred to me. And we know that these things have antiviral activity. And I thought, oh, man, this repurposing of drugs is going to be the way we're going to really help people with these common things like viruses.

So anyway, I just more to be revealed. It's just been a great experience down here. So, yeah, you know that I think everyone sort of experienced that, which is during covid. getting your info from these whack-a-doodles on the internet um which you know we're listening to guys like the guys you're with yes with their opinions on the internet it's also you know it's so weird i think it's a chick thing um how like sort of crazy dismissive everyone is like yeah so that's that's what i'm doing. I'm on the internet and there's some guy out of one of the Carolinas who's a long haul trucker and he's got a MAGA hat and he has a ninth grade education and he's telling me about virology and I'm taking notes.

Like, is that, is that what you think I'm doing? You know what I mean? Yes. I get the part where they don't like what you're doing, but I do not appreciate the part where they turn what you're doing into something that you're not doing. Right. You know? Well, but this goes at the end. So because I'm down here and been busy i adam and i have been able unable to have our usual debriefings and uh so i got a lot to talk about and and one of the things i've been thinking about is goes very much at this issue did you see the tiker tucker interview with mike benz um i know i think you sent it to me and i somehow couldn't open it or something but no but yes well

it essentially he's done a shit ton of research and has really uncovered sort of how all exactly what you're talking about how people have been led to believe things that are true about other people, about other ideas that were very carefully executed by people who know how to do intelligence, essentially, and found lots of useful idiots on the Internet to help them do their job. And so when somebody would say something like, hey, this guy that's published a thousand papers and has been a chief of medicine for 20 years and is a cardiologist, he's got some interesting ideas. Oh, boom, crush. That came from somewhere, it turned out.

Yeah. There's an organized body that's been doing this and people who know how to do it. Right. how to do it. Right. And the only real defense against it is common sense, a little wisdom, you know, a little, you know, again, it's a kind of a situation where you go, I don't think that sounds right. Or, you know, I say 15 times a week that that doesn't sound right or I haven't heard that or that doesn't make sense to me or sort of why would this person do that? Or where are the ages? Right.

Where are the where the ages? But most like like, you know, like I said, you could I just drove here in a rainstorm, right? And I have these flash flood warnings going off on the screen of my car. It keeps taking over. There's water coming out of the sky, everybody. Shelter in place. So here's basically what i'm saying you could sit at home and watch the news and hear about all the doom and the gloom and the rain and the mudslides and bomb what they

call them now bomb cyclone bomb cyclones and all they've given that one up now they're calling it atmospheric rivers the atmospheric rivers right right all the weird sort of doom and gloom stuff yes or you could just get in your car and drive and then have a experience that was counter to what you were hearing right and what i'm saying is is get in your car and drive you can hear all the doom and gloom you want about covet three years ago or you could just sort of look at the neighborhood kids and how they're all fine. And then once you see that, then you'll you'll arrive at a more accurate place. how you and i have been for the last four years three years certainly uh complaining about the search for the greatest threat to the united states which is white supremacy and domestic terrorism and this is this is the quest yes well it turns out that that one language twist is at the core of the attack on so-called misinformation,

which is what we've been discussing here so far. And apparently this country, the United States, has had a very elaborate system for fighting terrorism. And in fact, one of the reasons the military helped set up the internet per se and why the guy who uh created the dark web is in prison for life as opposed to what murderers get like seven or eight years is they put up the internet so they could keep an eye on the terrorists all around the world. And by switching the language a slight bit, all that infrastructure that's been in place and been so effective in changing governments and using propaganda internationally,

if you focus it on domestic terror and call people that are misinformance terrorists you can take all that infrastructure and focus it on people in the united states yes that's what they've done yes and so that's why when a you know as a a scholarly professional steps up and gives an alternative opinion what comes after them feels like some sort of attack right and it is and it turns out at the core of it is this thing called the atlantic group which is seven former fbi and cia directors guess what some of the guys who signed up to tell you that the hunter laptop looked like russianinformation. Shocking, those guys are in there. And in with them is one other professional, CEO of Pfizer.

Right. Perfect. Yeah, it's perfect. Now, I get it, and it was a, you know, there's a learning curve. Yes, it's why you call rioters on January 6th insurrectionists. And terrorists. And terrorists. So when you give them the label of...

You can focus all that on them. When you give them that label of terrorists, then you can hack in and start looking at their credit card use and start looking at their travel plans. And put them away for long periods of time. And put them away for long periods of time. And put them away for long periods of time. Right. So I think the learning curve, and we're kind of there now,

and you and I and many others have sort of passed through the learning curve, through the learning curve, which is the first stages of the learning curve are pretty much total belief in the system, which is, you know, you go back four years and you have Fauci and Deborah Birx and all the others saying, hey, there's this thing, it's serious, and we need to do X, Y, and Z because it's so serious. And I think everyone's first initial blush is understandably, oh, wow, okay, so this is something, and it's serious. I mean, the very first stages of the curve are just face value. Yeah.

You know what I mean? You very first stages of the curve are just face value. Yeah. You know what I mean? You just, it's no different than, oh, a commercial airliner crashed in the Congo and 138 were dead. You know, okay, that's what happened. You know, were you there? Do you know anyone on the plane? It's like, no, but that's what they said happened. And I don't have any reason to believe that that didn't happen. That's where you start.

Yep. And then at some point you start sort of looking around and you start experiencing things. And they're talking about one thing, but you're kind of experiencing another. You know, it's actually the first, I would characterize that first thing of looking around. I would characterize it as, huh? What? Yeah. Well, that's the second, I should call it the second part. Yeah. The first part is a face value belief in whatever it is they're saying. Yeah. Okay. The second part is kind of looking around and kind of going, huh? Like, I'm not seeing, I'm not experiencing what they're saying.

They're talking about an atmospheric river. And I just drove from Malibu. I'm just seeing rain. I drove from Malibu to Glendale and shaved eight minutes off my normal commute because less cars were on the highway. Because people are sheltering in place. Because they're sheltered. So I just drove all the way across L.A. and I didn't experience any of this. So that's the next. The next one is kind of looking around.

kind of looking around. The third one is as it pertained to COVID or January 6th or Hunter Biden's laptop or Russian interference or anything they wanted you to believe. The third one is like, what are they doing to the people who are saying now, hey, it's not a big deal. I've experienced it. Or I'm a meteorologist and I have a lot of experience in this and this isn't what you're saying it is. Oh, they're shadow banning those guys' accounts on Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that. So now there's a third part where you're kind of like, is this happening? Then go, you know, the cash register that's broken theory, which is, oh, I'm sorry. You got short change. The cash register is broken. Yeah. But if it was broken, I would get more change sometimes.

If you just made a mistake on Twitter, then you'd also be deplatforming the New York times, not going after the Peter McCullough and other doctors. If it was just misinformation, just getting it wrong. If it was just getting it wrong. If you were an umpire that was just getting it wrong, you would get it wrong for both teams.

Yep. Not just one over and over again. And then keep explaining you just made a bad call at home plate. Right. All right. So that's the third part. And then the fourth part is where we're at now, where the receipts start coming in. you know Matt Taibbi and and guys of that ilk uh Schellenberger and guys like that actually start collecting receipts and doing FOIA requests and stuff like that and now it turns out

that oh the White House was communicating with uh Twitter and was commuting with Facebook and was um I should say communicating with them and trying to get things suppressed. And now the receipts are coming in. Right. And and and and now, oh, it turns out that the Hunter, the laptop that the 51 security experts signed, that thing was drafted a week before in case something came out and then they all suck. week before in case something came out and then they all suck. Okay. Now,

now it's become pretty clear what you thought was going on was in fact going on, but you didn't have receipts. You didn't have emails. You didn't have a paper trail. Well, now you do. By the way, you were called a conspiracy theorist for just having the thought that it

might be going on. Right. So now you do know what's going on. So's one two three four part and now you know what's going on the real question then is what about all the people that are still trapped in part one yeah of whatever the equation is they don't move on to part two part two two is, hey, what's going on? This doesn't feel right. Part three is, wait a minute. It looks like they're actually suppressing people or getting rid of dissenting opinions.

And part four is, oh, this is bullshit. And these guys have been involved the whole time. Yeah. They're still in part one. And there's even another corollary on that last piece, which is, and a lot of what they were protecting was wrong. A lot. Right, right. But they're trapped in part one.

They never get out of part one of this equation. And they move on to the next subject and remain in part one. Yes, the part one for the next subject. Yeah. Yes. Okay, Drew, what do you got? Some business over there? Yeah, I do. Our friends at biotic quest. I want to remind you about their sugar shift probiotic navigating probiotics can be challenging. Of course, biotic quest sugar

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played and KC won the Super Bowl and they will not concede that their team lost. And they won't learn anything from the next time it comes to pick a Super Bowl winner. So I think that's what's going on because if that wasn't going on, you'd hear a lot more about how they got it wrong and who they owe an apology to and how this isn't going to happen again, which has happened on a pretty limited scale. Like Bill Maher. That's about all I can think of. Yeah. Who's who's sort of realized maybe there were some errors in some of his ways, although still a huge Gavin Newsom fan, inexplicably.

Well, I think that's part of Trump derangement or something. I think that is. I think that's part of it, but it's also that part is comical. But it is funny when people argue with Bill Maher about Gavin Newsom, they go, all right, well, let's talk about Gavin Newsom's policies.

And he goes, oh, come on. It's like, as if you'd said, I heard he had a gay experience in high school. Like, what do you mean?

Oh, come on. That's all there is. That's all we got. Right. Is, uh, is policy with, uh, News with uh newsome but uh all right

still stuck with with newsome but but it's come around probably quite a bit in in other subjects you don't you certainly don't hear well actually i don't know if you're aware but there is a politician in alberta canada who stood up a of weeks ago and said, I got it wrong. I apologize. We hurt people. And I'm deeply sorry. Did you see her little video? I saw that you said a couple of weeks ago, but it feels like it was longer ago than was it. But I know. But but I do get it, which is all anybody really wants in any form of a relationship. Right. Micro macro.

Right. Interesting. Yeah, it is. But it's also. It is just part of the new world order of sort of digging in. Let's go back to the people that are stuck in phase one. Do we think they are victims of propaganda? Or is it motivated reasoning that they have something to gain from it?

I don't know what. Or should we feel sorry for them? Have we been made sick by the propaganda i think it's all interconnected to a bigger picture of not i'll give you an example um i think when when when you and I and maybe I circle back to this because it's something that's sort of always on my mind. But our society used to be crafted in such a way that when somebody was wrong or didn't do the job or sort of screwed the pooch, they just went, sorry, you know, won't happen again. That's kind of how we grew up, you know.

There is not, we don't live in that world anymore. There's a round and round and cyclical argument about what, you know. I mean, just weird, you know, I mean, I have a t-shirt that says, don't do your best, do my best. And the reason I have that is because many, many years ago, we had some big guests coming to the studio and I told my assistant, Matt, like, Hey, there's a bunch of boxes and trash and stuff like out front, you know, and I want to spruce the place up a little bit. So handle that before so-and-so pulls up in his motorcade.

And he didn't do any of it. And then when I questioned him on it, he just said, I did my best. And so I said, well, don't do your best, do my best next time. So we can, so we can get it done but and it made it onto a t-shirt but the point is is there is a thing now where there is not you know will do won't happen again it's just a thing it's just an argument now or it's just it takes a while they come back with something and then you come back with something, and then they come back with something. I think it's about them being wrong,

and I think there's some weird shame or humiliation or something in it. I can feel it with younger people, especially when you talk to them about anything. They just dig in, and I think that zeitgeist is sort of connected to what we're talking about. Shame intolerance. Shame intolerance. Yes.

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So yeah, there's a strong, strong shame intolerance. Now, you don't look at it as shame, you don't look at it as shame and I don't look at it as shame, but they look at it as shame. And I think that's the problem. The problem is they are too tied up in the deed. There's too much of themselves tied up in it. Interesting. Whereas you and I. Sort of everyone has a percentage of themselves.

Tied up in a task. Does that make sense? It does. Go ahead. Finish your reasoning. Because I have a thought. Well if you told me to clean up the boxes. And the cardboard out in the parking lot. Before so and so showed up.

I would have a certain amount of myself invested in that. But if I screwed up, I wouldn't feel like it eroded at my self-esteem or it took a chunk. Because our self-esteem is already so low. That's the thing. We're already so low that we don't, we, when people sort of accuse us of something, we're already in our heads thinking we're deserving of that, you know, well, I don't trigger shame. I don't, I don't think of it.

I don't think of it as too low per se. I think of it as, well, it's not too low on a sense that you have a degree with a medical license and it's framed and it's hanging somewhere in your office.

And so how dumb or out of it or, you know, loser, you know, it's like sometimes people say to me, you're a loser, man. And I go, look, I can't be a loser. You know what I mean? I'm not the most successful person, but I can't be a loser because of my life or what I've accumulated or what I own or what I do. You know what I mean? my life or what I've accumulated or what I own or what I do.

You know what I mean? So it doesn't, it's sort of water off a duck's back, but there were times in my life, you know, when I was 21, if you said to me, you're a loser, I would have, would have stung. You know, I would have went like, oh, I feel that. Yeah, you're right. I'm driving a shitty pickup truck with no insurance. i got an apartment with three roommates and yeah maybe maybe you're spot on and maybe it would have elicited a different reaction from me you know interesting so there's that so should we be more sensitive to it

well it's that i'll circle back i think it's that mixed with the low self-esteem, which is just, you know, tell me to do something. I'll, I'll do it. Or if I don't, if I screw it up,

then you say it again. And then I'll, I'll try not to screw it up next time. Like I, I don't really have a strong, like I, you know, I'll get into it with people about stuff and I'll realize they're very

entwined in this thing we're talking about. you know, I'll get into it with people about stuff and I'll realize they're very entwined in this thing we're talking about. You know, I'm talking about, uh, they left the, the, the, the came home the other day in the middle of the day and the porch light was on, you got to shut the porch light. You know, they're like, well, you don't, you forgot to turn off the toaster oven. I go, well, you forgot to turn off the toaster oven. It's like, okay, why is there so much of you tied up in the porch light? You know what I mean? I would just go, you know, I might offer something like, geez, I left out through the garage. And so I didn't walk out the front door, but I should have seen it.

But I should have shut it off when I was walking to the garage and so I didn't walk out the front doors but I should have seen it but I should have shut it off when I was walking to the garage you know or something but I wouldn't be that tangled up in it you know and when you talk to people they're tangled up in these tasks in these things meaning there's so much of them invested in this thing that it's not the thing you're arguing about. It's them you're arguing about. So you're not arguing about COVID. You're arguing about them. And that's why they get agitated.

They sort of bristle and they fight because they're not fighting for COVID. They're fighting for them. Yeah. And that's kind of the self-esteem movement. It's the self-esteem movement with no accomplishments is going to mean you got to fight for you pretty damn hard because you don't have these things to fall back on. You have the porch light to argue about. Or at least other tasks like the porch light. Yes, the metaphor of the porch light.

But you need to argue on that because so much yourself is invested in that. And that's kind of where we're at. And so as far as the mea culpa is, I was wrong or sorry or I got this one wrong, not a lot of that. You know, it's sort of like maybe it's a stretch, but there was a very good all-pro linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers probably about eight years ago. And he was just good.

He was a good-looking white guy who was a good linebacker. And I think after like two seasons, he was like, I'm quitting. And that kind of said to him, like everyone sort of said, like, why is this guy quitting? He's in the NFL. He's making millions of dollars. He's great at what he does. He's an-star all pro i think what's he quitting for and i said well obviously there's a business there's a family business his dad does something successful he's there's something to do there's somewhere to go right and uh there's no way he just goes and gets a job at a supermarket you

know what i mean and uh i said look into it and sure enough his dad runs a big hedge fund in san francisco and he's going to enter the partnership and you know he's got somewhere to go right yeah so football isn't his life and he doesn't want to risk busting his head because he needs it later on. That's why he left. He's not tied up in it. He has something to fall back on, and that's sort of like you can call me a loser, but it doesn't really affect me because my dad runs a hedge fund because I'll go there. You know what I'm saying?

Yep. Got it. And I think the people you're dealing with who get the most agitated are the people with the least accomplishments. Yeah. And so maybe it's... Do you feel that high self-esteem with low accomplishment is is the magic ingredients? Yes. The fatal magic ingredients. Yeah. You take a. You take a couple, right?

Yeah. You take one one of the couple doesn't matter, male or female, whatever. You take the one couple and the one part of the couple, and the person's very accomplished, and they make a lot of money, and they take care of business, and so and so. And the other one hangs out around the house and lets the maid in and tells the pool man he missed a spot, right? You can joke with the super accomplished. You know, you can say to Mark Garagos,

you don't do anything around this house, Mark. Come on, pick up a mop every once in a while. He'll start laughing. Say it to the woman who's kept, who doesn't do anything. She'll get pissed fast. You feel me? Oh, yes, I feel you. Okay.

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