The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1968 Prescribed Treatment

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew Pinsky welcome Jason "Mayhem" Miller to the show. Known for his tumultuous MMA career and larger-than-life persona, Mayhem shares candid stories from his wild past, including living in a van, battling addiction, and navigating the criminal justice system. The trio dives deep into the psychology behind substance abuse, the harsh realities of the prison system, and the relentless struggle for redemption. Mayhem opens up about his chaotic upbringing, his encounters with fame, and the pivotal moments that led to his personal transformation. They explore the systemic issues that perpetuate homelessness and addiction, and the societal challenges faced by those seeking mental health care. Leave us a voicemail: SpeakPipe.com/AdamandDrDrew OR Click the microphone at the top of the homepage, AdamandDrew.com

Recording live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get in a choice but to get it on, man. They get it on. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician, addiction specialist, and a non-coaster user. Everybody, do not tell Drew to use a coaster.

Jason Mayhem Miller in the studio. Hello. You remember him from the UFC and the Octagon and mixed martial arts and bully beat down and many other endeavors. Yes. Bullying. See, I don't know that I've ever been bullied.

Oh my God. I definitely, what? What are you talking about? You majored in bullying in high school. You were the bully then? No, no, no. He was bullied. Well, I'm sure he did his fair share.

All the stories about Chris and Ray, those are all bullying episodes. I know that you don't put them in that category, but those were that. But that was like consensual bullying. Don't you think there's room for consensual bullying? I believe, oh boy, I might get myself in trouble here, that there is such a thing as bullying that is a part of something that is normal in mammalian systems called rough and tumble play. Yes. And you were in very, you were at the limits of rough and tumble play. Yes. And you were in very, you were at the limits of rough and tumble play with your buddies.

I guess when bullying it crosses over when it's not part of like a better social conversation that you're having, you know, cause the animals need to like say who, who's the boss in this group, you know, and everybody kind of backbites each other until the last guy is standing on top going, I'm the boss. And that constantly happens as kids. But you know what he's describing this consensual bullying. That's what I'm talking about where you you're friendly. But then there's something that steps over into a farther place where it's like just picking on a kid because he's at the bottom of this strata,

and then, you know, I think that that's non-consensual bullying. I don't know. I never, I, I was, I've been taken advantage of quite a few times, probably. Now we're crossing the line here. But I've never been bullied. I mean I you know life was kind of bullying enough I guess of sort of it was all kind of bullying

for me. It was all sort of downtrodden but now everyone everyone throws bullying around like it's 100% negative and I disagree there's positive in it kids are way too soft you're right it's nuanced there's a nuanced conversation people need a little adversity also men learn sort of their limits through physical boundaries they have to test them all the time but I think may have put his finger on a issue when there's a massive power or physical size imbalance, then the other person is helpless by design. And that's... Man, I got jumped running across the McDonald's parking lot when I was like ninth grade,

like smallest guy, the biggest kid on the football team kicked me in the face so damn hard, that damn rung my bell. I had a big black eye for no reason, for no reason. Just I was in the wrong, I crossed the wrong area of the parking lot, didn't know. So looking back at that, okay, that's too far. Like that's, you know. It's also weird. I didn't even know why, I didn't even know why. The motivation for a lot of this stuff escapes me. Like I'll see videos online I think the expectation for a lot of this stuff escapes me.

Like I'll see videos online or two guys just got into it or something and the next thing you know, the one guy's on the ground, he's flopped out, and the other guy's punching him and then the school teacher's trying to pull him off or the cops trying to pull him, he's trying to kick him from, and it's like, you guys met two minutes ago.

Where does this come, where does this, I remember I was a kid, the only time there was a bully back when, you know, we didn't know what to do with the bully, who to talk to, no one did anything, you know, my parents were kind of whatever, but I do remember this kid was, was a kind of, there was this sort of neighborhood bully or whatever, and I was like riding my bike

and he stopped me, and he was bullying whatever he was doing, and at some point, I sort of got free of him and took off on my bike and I threw in a few choice words as I was telling the fuck off. And he was like chasing after me, you know, sort of like trying to punch me in the back. Oh, and I just had this happen to me in Santa Monica. I mean it. No, no, this happened to me like three months ago. With a homeless person. You're riding your bike. No, it was a guy. So what I'm what I'm thinking

about, I will, I will. But what I'm thinking about is where is your energy coming from? I don't know you, you don't know me. I where's you're chasing me down the street now. What he's saying, I know you're saying the passion with which he's coming at you is usually reserved for somebody you know, you once loved. This guy in Santa Monica, I dropped my girlfriend off at the promenade mall, you know, high-end retail stores, you know, Prada bags and stuff like that. I, there's no place to park per se, and I don't wanna go into the parking structure and pull a ticket. I get the, just drop me off, take two minutes,

I'll run in there and grab it, whatever. I did hear this story. Yeah, 18 minutes later. I find myself parked up on the sort of sidewalk, but it's a wide, oh, on a a driveway for an exit for a parking structure. It's not being used. So I carefully position myself not to block anybody and I stopped the car and I put my hazards on and there's a line of cars that are going to turn left on the street to turn into the parking structure. I'm in nobody's way. And one guy, he's a bearded, could be Middle Eastern, he's kind of a swarthy guy, probably

35. And he's driving a nice car. And he's looking at me from across the street, he's getting ready to turn and park and he like rolls the window down and he's like, move your car. And I'm like, no, you can go just pull in, you know, and he goes, move. And I go, I'm not blocking, you can just pull into the structure. I thought, I assumed he thought I was blocking his way into the parking structure. What was it? He just wanted you to move? That's it? He just didn't like the fact that you... Yeah, he said to move. I was just sitting there. I can't figure out what was in it for him. There wasn't anything in it for him. And I had my hazards on, I was out of the way.

I wasn't blocking anybody, foot traffic, anything. And he, he'll move again. And I said, you can get into the... I thought, well, he can can't see my problem in life is I think people make sense Yeah, and I've been burned many times and many relationships by just asking people the same question 35 times Yeah, but you but why but why wouldn't you say something? Why would you say this? I? said No, you can pull in just just pull in and he goes I don't care, you know, move. And I said, oh, what? Oh, okay. I was like, oh, and then fuck off. I was just like, oh, fuck you then. Okay, if that's what we're doing.

See, you took like six steps to get there. Me, I would just, my face would be blank. I would look and my face would be saying fuck off without the words no need no look I know that you then turn left and instead of pulling into the structure which he eventually did he stopped at the back of my car roll this window down but he was out of range so I heard a an almost clawing at my rear wind window You know, he couldn't punch out the glass because his car Stopped three feet from mine and his arm was sort of out the window and he was making contact like like scraping and kind of like Punching my rear windshield wiper and then people were pulling in behind him sort of going

Are you getting in the parking structure? You said people are trying to pass into the parking structure and He was angry, you know then fuck off and he went into the the parking thing and I was like Wow, that's a lot of energy. That's a lot of energy. I don't know where I don't know where it comes from I don't know the guy never met him. I did not Have any kind of interaction with him and I was not blocking anyone or doing anything to anybody I was inert sitting there with hazards on clearly You know my fucking daughter could have been at the Jersey Mikes running out with sandwiches

Like it was just a busy area where people are dropping off and picking up. There was plenty of context. Wasn't in front of his house or anyone he knew. What's the technical, like what's the technical term for- What's the energy? Like why is he touching my car? It's not about you. It's about someone else. And he's dispersing that anger. Well, it's usually, yeah, it's violence. People that have been beaten as a child,

people who are manic, people who are on drugs, these people get violent very easily. He's driving a nice car and is well put together. And also, how does he, what's his journey in life? Like fist fighting people every 10 feet? Like, he's gonna end up in prison. Because human life you know I think that we're supposed to be like running all the time walking all

the time we're supposed to be carrying stuff all the time but instead we just sit in our giant boxes yeah and go to another box I'm gonna be violent though not like that boy and then your blood pressure gets high your blood sugar gets low there's a lot of like little fluids and you got to top up inside the human, right? I know you know the technical terms for it, but I just watch people sometimes, like I see a Burger King flip out and I know that lady is violent maniac

because her insulin is... No, no, no, listen, people completely confuse all that. Guys like what Adam is describing, when they get violent, their heart rate and blood pressure go down. They dissociate. They get high from it sometimes. This is not somebody who's running from a gazelle or from a lion and needs the pressure and pulse up. They have parasympathetic dominance.

That's what I'm saying. And they shut down. It like, it feels good to be that calm. It feels good to them, yeah. And things slow down for them sometimes. I had this theory. Yeah. I'm glad he confirmed it.

Is that you? You have that? I don't ever like, never. Were you beaten as a kid? Yeah. So do you have that where you just kind of, you like kind of, you get a little high from- I have 50 professional fights.

Like I'm so calm when it's super tense. Like my regular life is, is dude after I stop fighting there was a long period of Turbulence because there's go to the grocery store when you're used to fighting as hard as you can for five minutes You know like suddenly this is my life now try to find cocoa pebbles. It's like building in the military or something Yes, very similar I remember the Hurt Locker the same I had the same exact experience going to the freaking grocery store and being like, wow, this is life.

This is what people do. This is what I'm going to be doing now. It was very shocking to me, that whole thing. I had to fill my space. Once I started coaching consistently and I got to fight the kids sometimes and still get in there and get my blood up and have a nice outlet for that, you know, then I stopped punching out his back window. Yeah. I'm mostly amused by these guys, but I'm also curious. Yeah. I never had road rage. You guys tell these stories. I like I'm with you like unless like I'm almost gonna die

Like I don't even get my blood up. No, I think it's like we're all getting along here They want to get off the road or they don't make move. Go ahead. Make me slow down. That's fine Hi faster I do with the better Yeah, cut me off. I cut other people off too. Like don't honk. Like no need. Honking is the oddest impulse. To me it's such an odd impulse to honk at somebody when they're just driving. It's like my third, fourth, I laugh. The first impulse is the laughing. Oh, I almost died, but I'm alive. It's interesting. It's not the mayhem. My theory is people are caught off guard, they're scared, and then they get angry.

No, it's not the mayhem's honking, it's Crystal. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't honk at all. Like, you really gotta almost kill me for me to honk. And you act, because once you figured it out, you know that you're there, like that I'm there, then we're, oh, we're good. I catch your eyes in the rear view, we're good.

But if you don't know, I'll give you a little, hey, what's up? Yeah, the traffic thing doesn't bother me. Yeah I don't like I said I don't I don't mind dangerous I just I don't like slow or out of it. That's where the honking starts. So how much beating I did not receive any physical beatings from my family. Yeah my pops is like, look, I kind of look at it this way, like he had me at such a young age. Oh, how old was he?

And he's 21. So, you know, I'm just thinking, and on top of that, he was in a high stress, aggressive job in which he had to push troops to put their equipment on quick, to like get in the ditch quick, to, you know, this kind of like, he was an 82nd Airborne, he was an infantry, he was a toe gunner. So

it's like essentially you drive a gun behind a Humvee and fire it over the hill, look at the map, fire it over the hill and then drive through to destruction. I didn't think of the psychological toll, you know, I was 15 or 16 years old when he was doing that and I didn't think of like what he was going through or whatever and it wasn't like a daily, he didn't bully me or beat me, you know, it was like, oh you did something wrong and it was the prescribed treatment for that, you know, in his mentality, yeah, I got a beating then he'll get a beating. So, you know, I caught one every once in a while. I didn't look at this as trauma or anything like that

until later and I realized it had a long lasting effect on me and done a lot of work on myself, talked to therapists and understand, you know, cause once you get over the, oh, therapy is like, then you get to like know yourself better. So, you know, I did a lot of talking about that and kind of thought it through and have like grown from it, you know, grown because you keep analyzing yourself

over and over again. But yeah, I look at it and my dad, oh, still apologize about it. I'm like, nah, you already apologized, but I moved past it, you moved past it. He apologizes? Yeah. Did you bring it up but I moved past it, you moved past it. He apologizes? Yeah. Did you bring it up to him?

No, I didn't have to. He realized, because of his own reading, that oh shit, I kind of fucked you up. Well, Adam, your mom apologized. She had great love. I know, yeah. Holding a grudge. This guy hold a grudge forever. Shit, I cheated. Well, my mom apologized for being a shit mom, but she never changed any of her

way. So that was kind of which is she didn't really acknowledge the full impact of being so vacant absent. Well, you know, she had, you know, something we talk about a lot, which is, I don't know, I got into it when I was talking to Scott Galloway about this. I think I was talking to Scott Galloway about this. It's interesting. All right, I'll tell you what, take a quick break,

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I'd like more shop glasses too. It's an interesting thing which is, there was Scott Gallo I was talking to, right, Kyle about this, but it's interesting. There's a couple of interesting things. He's a very bright guy and he's an unapologetic Democrat leftist. And then everything he rails against is caused by Democrats. But he still loves them. And then rails against all that they do to destroy this country.

And those are the people who want to get rid of shop class and replace it with an interpretive dance class. And that's your people. But you keep bragging about being with those people and then try to claw against. Hey, by the way, if they'd be more like Scott Galloway, I'm voting that way. Yeah, he got a, oh, it was perfect.

Oh, God, I'll think of what it was. But he had a huge, He had a huge program at UCLA and I think USC for the trades. And I'm not just talking about pipe fitting, but just computers and everything now, but a trade versus philosophy degree. But they would not let him call it shop class, not shop class, but Drew's going to be no help here. What do they call those classes, the trade class? Trade schools, right? Yeah, but they were not.

There's a word. Drew's not going to. Drew's never successfully filled in an easy word for me in 30 years. No and you're gonna hear it and then you're gonna go oh yeah that's what they call in high school they call those classes the vocational yeah vocational training couldn't come up with vocational. No, because that's... No? No. No, no. Come on, man. He got his head full of other smart words. It's vocational training. You never heard that one?

Not as it pertains to trades, because I was in vocational training as a physician. You know what I mean? See? Oh, oh, yeah. And first off. And it was not called that when I was in high school. It was?

Always called? Well, it was a shop class, but they would call vocational training. Anyway, they don't want okay I'm gonna fuck your argument up UCLA will not let him use the word vocational. Why? Well, it's nothing to do with doctors that guarantee that they rightly sorry about your argument drew look at vocational training is wood shop Metal shop stuff that's beneath them. See what I'm saying. They don't Contra up doctors when they say vocational, okay vocational in In all the world drew except for your world You go to college to become a doctor or you get vocational training if you're a shit student and learn to

Set tile That's what they say you've your guy. It's a good student He goes off to Stanford if he's getting vocational training it means he's a bad student and pulling I learned something pulling wires through that But it's funny that you have vocational is yeah We have a case on vocational therapeutics in my world. Vocational therapists. And they run the gamut of different vocations. Right. But so here's what you would say. If you had one smart son and one dumb son... No, I hear what you're saying. I get it. I wouldn't have done that.

Where's the smart guy going? He's going to Stanford. Where's Dumbo going? He's getting vocational training. Well, that means he's learning crap now, but now you know vocational will mean Generically learning something but and then you'll be covered but I guess it means Is just a job right? It's my white privilege that prevents me from seeing this It's my white privilege that prevents me from seeing this UCLA will not let it be cold vocational training because they're fucking snobs now They'll have every other type of flag and every other class, but they're still snobs

But those are his people that are snobs. That's the part. So I'm trying to Express arbitrary, but he wanted to know You want to know if I said, even if I love my son or I hugged my son, do I tell him all the time that I love him or I hug him or whatever? Which I do, but I said, who cares? I provide for the guy, he knows I'm there.

I do the important shit, but he was sort of like, well, what about the love and the hug? And I was like, you don't need that if you're doing all the other things that suggest that. I don't know, bud. And I don't like it at all. What about the monkey, you know, they gave it like a- Wire.

Yeah, wire monkey versus like a fuzzy monkey. It's a little different thing, different thing. Similar though, because look, my dad was a violent maniac. Okay. Yeah. But he also gave me a hug, kiss on the face. Like I knew that he loved me. He just was confused a bit. Like didn't know how to discipline without going, you know, like later on it got more nuanced, like instead of like a slap or like a kick or a, you know or a push, like this kind of thing. It was focused, organized training. Like at one point I mastermind like a plywood theft

to make us, yeah, I was like 14, 15. I organized some guys to get a van and we're gonna build a skate ramp. It was like whole thing. And man, I got busted that night. And like- You'd steal off a construction site? Yes, and I shouldn't have done that because man my dad put me in Miller boot camp that summer

I just ran and did push-ups and so it's strange because yeah Sort of was abuse getting you know like wake me up at 6 to tear my bed apart Make me do like army stuff like jumping jacks and push until he got tired sitting there, you know, and just ran me into the dirt every day. And so that's motivation, man. Yeah. Wow. So later on, it took him exactly. And it took me into like, it's weird because yeah, was that abusive? Yeah. But did it make me into a top athlete later? Maybe because I had done all that at 15 already, this like abusive level of.

What was it, is it abuse when our football coaches made us go out in the heat and they, yeah, it's abusive-ish. I know. But it was necessary and important. There you go, yeah. So, and then also he was right. This is the thing about males, about men,

we do stuff to each other that has sort of. Hazing, right? It's sort of like in that same vein. Sort of a hazing, abusive-esque, but it's like, good? Yeah. Ultimately, he was trying to get me to figure stuff out, and he did. It wasn't like the methodology, like harsh. Hell yeah. Did my mom cry watching it? Definitely. Wow. Yes.

His dad's very motivated. Yeah. He was, yeah. Well, see, I think about it now, like, all right, he was about, like, a bit younger than me, and I still hold the hand pads for guys, kick guys, punch, choke guys. Like, I'm still like, you know, I'm not like a 27-year-old mayhem, but I'm still like in shape guy and strong and can do stuff. And I think I put that on him, like how was he at that age? And now I'm a 15 year old kid who's screwing up his life

that he needed to like, you know, pay attention to closer. And then what, at work, the guys are like a couple of years older than me. Like at his job is he's doing the same thing to troops, making them put their equipment to push ups You know making them do hard hard work. So I was just another dude to yell at You know to do it Me training for any job, but at some point it'll say

Usually relegated to blue-collar Thinking about that. Like high school, my era of high school, dude, I don't know why we weren't in anything like this. It was so hard. Like what your dad did. Yeah, sort of like, okay, you're going to do this in the future probably. So here, learn something.

Oh, vocational training. Yeah, some type of training. You know, they pretended we were all going to be Rhodes Scholars, but we weren't. No way. They pretended we were all gonna be Rhodes scholars, but we weren't no way Programs our career focused and typically short in length. See that's what I'm saying. It's there Spend two years and become a certified welder or like one year. They can include certification diploma I don't know. It's like going to a truck driving school. Is that a I don't know, it's like going to a truck driving school. Is that a vocational training?

Engineering, agriculture, consumer services, anyway. And what's interesting to me is that if you look through history, all the best guys have been like tinkerers, like people who invent stuff. Tinkerers are the best. Yeah, if you can figure out. Builders are the best. Yeah, and we don't teach kids how to do anything except what? Still.

All right, listen, I want to circle back. I'm not saying You shouldn't tell your son you love them Oh, yeah What you should do is you should act accordingly and I do not like the telling of the love part

Because I feel it's too easy for parents that are not doing the work of love to just sort of throw it out there and act like it's some sort of cover. And it's personal for me, because that's what my dad did not do that, but my mom would do that, you know, and a lot of people do it and maybe more women because, you know, kids are work. Kids are, you know, kids are, it's Saturday, they're playing the volleyball tournament, it's in Anaheim, and you have to be there at 710 for registration and it may go until four in the afternoon. And I think as a parent, this is the last thing

I want to do on a Saturday, especially if I was working a lot during the week. The last thing I want to do is set the alarm for 520 and drive to Anaheim, right? Because I don't want to do it. Now, what I'd like to do is to walk into my daughter's room and go I shall not The night before i'll go look I'm gonna have a couple of drinks and sleep until noon

Good luck in your volleyball game, but always remember there's great love There's great love, but I don't want to watch you play volleyball But do not ever mistake this for a guy who does not love greatly And then they and then I wouldn't have to do it and I think a lot of parents Will do that. They'll also retroactively do it, you know, they go look I know it's a shit mom, but There was great love and I hope you know that this is the problem in all of this Which is I'm like just pull it off the table you either act it or you shut the fuck up Because when a child has an internal conflict is at once traumatized by

And seeking the attachment to the same object. It's Crazy making it's the the emotions are overwhelming and unregulated. It's how you get in fucked up relationships later. It's that the person who's causing the trauma is the person you're attached to. I've totally been through that. You get trauma bonded, you're having co-dependency, all that stuff gets well- Buddy. Right?

I'm speaking to my soul. By the way- I've been through all of that because yeah, you get addicted to this weird thing with a girl. Like you can get on this weird wavelength where you're just abusing each other back and forth, back and forth. You like it. You miss it when it's gone. Well, it's the intensity. The intensity is this, it gets confused for the love. Yeah. Oh, something. Yeah. It sparks those dopamine, whatever circuits that it gets you to... And I, you know, it's hard to recognize when you're in the middle of it. Impossible. Yeah,

and then you like get so addicted to it, like stuck on it, that when it's away from you, you only remember good things somehow. It's sad, yeah. I've been through that road, yeah. I will say this as well. It's a fool's errand, you know for a parent To it's it's for themselves You know, I didn't think my mom or my dad loved me for a second I was just like if you love me you'd fucking make dinner Do anything you don't do anything. So no you don't I mean you can say whatever the fuck you want You can talk to you're blue in the face, but there's no part of me that thinks,

I don't think your daughter thinks you love her. She ran away, you never look for her. You know, they don't, nobody buys this ruse. You know, we would know it if you did. You know? You don't think that a little bit of that gene has passed down to you? You don't think you have any of that?

Cause it sounds like you've done good with your kids, but you don't think that that's, cause like for me, a big realization was, I went back home for the first time and like the longest time and I looked over at my dad and we were both doing this, like tired, like rubbing our hands like this as like some soothing thing. And I looked at him and I was like, oh shit,

I'm just like him. And then other things in my life, like where I'll just like, like he's watching Judge Judy, just dead silent, just dead silent. And he's just calm as can be. Like the Buddha sitting there and he goes, God damn it, I left the lawnmower outside. It's gonna rain. And then back to zero.

I'm like, oh my God, I can do that too go intense and be totally calm right his blood pressure just spike and he's back and so I know I have the devil inside me and you know yeah yeah so you know he gets a look it's like one of those things where the Miller family you know we're the Millers like buddy there's a reason that that's the biggest beer product, okay? There's like some kind of ancient devil within us that we're constantly dealing with, but you don't think that you have a little Jim Carolla in there that just doesn't give a shit about anything?

Oh yeah, I do, but I've never. Just making sure. I do not act that way in front of my kids. Oh, I see. I mean, no, I don't... You know, I don't care if they go to college or they go to vocational school. I don't care about any of that stuff, but I do... I would never... they would never...

I'm trying to think how to articulate this what I'm saying is is well I just got back from being in New York with my kids where I was just like what do you want to do when you want to do it okay let's do it what are you in the mood to eat my son's easy because he'll go what are you in the mood to eat but my daughter will be like I want to you know sushi whatever and that's all I did was go. What do you want to do? How you know how can this be better more interesting funner whatever or you know, I that's That was it. I mean, that's all I've ever really done with you ever like play that mental game like you ever think what if

Jim Carolla was like the best trumpeter in the world and like millions of millions of dollars and enduring fans and Kenny G like swagger. Yeah. Well, like what do you ever think that how different your life would be if that were the case? Like would he take you somewhere because he had plenty of disposable income to do it with? Yeah, I don't listen. I got all I needed out of him and my football coaches

and my construction foreman and all. I learned everything. And I do look around at all the super soft pussies of the world and I just go, oh, you guys are soft and you're fucked because you're soft because you did not get this thing and you need to be a little bit hard to go get what you want as an adult and nobody has that anymore and so this you know curse ends up being kind of a blessing because you end up getting you can rally have a little bit of a motor you've never okay how many days of work have i missed in 15 years zero Zero. Okay, zero. So that's a plus. But that comes from coming from a place where you don't miss work.

You just don't. It's not on the table. Everyone else here misses. There's somebody missing every day out of seven people, one person every day. There's somebody missing. They don't have what I have. All right. Now,'t have what I have. All right now they think it's good. I don't think it benefits them at all and I've seen the results. So

so I did I did I I am blessed that I come from where I come from even if you wouldn't wish that upon anybody certainly not my kids. I agree. But I shall be, I'm sure, more successful than my kids because they didn't come up like I... the motor is not there because why would they have a motor? They have air conditioning and a flat panel TV. But I don't think Drew came from hard scrabble background. He like figured out a way to navigate in his field. But he had a sort of simulation of poverty. Oh really? In a world that didn't have poverty, he had a simulator of poverty. I had intergenerational trauma, yeah.

Yeah, but you still had your dad drove a Cadillac and he had a beach house. But that was past childhood, way past childhood. Way. Well, how far past? The Cadillac, probably that was past childhood way past child way Well, how far past the Cadillac probably four does 14 or something. That's not way All the shit had gone down. Well, he's a mother 10. You could pick it up at 14 I'm so jealous right now. Yeah. All right mayhem is uh here. We'll bring him back We like him so much for another Another episode you can go to amcroll.com for all the live shows. What do you got drew subscribe and ask dr Drew on rumble and until next time Adam Kroll for mayhem and dr. Drew saying

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