The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1982 The Window Is Forever

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla zoom with Maitland Ward for a conversation about her transition from child star to adult film star. Maitland shares her perspective on using adult filmmaking as a creative outlet to expand her artistic expression. Adam and Dr. Drew then wonder aloud if we could witness a potential resurgence of adult films reminiscent of the 70s, given by the recently minted Best Picture Anora. Stick around for Maitland talking about being ambushed on a popular Boy Meets World podcast by a former co-star. Get it on.

Recording live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. Yeah, get it on, get it on, get it on, Dr. Drew's board certified. That's just going on, Drew. Yo, we got a guest today. Yeah. That's just, what's going on, Drew? Yo, we got a guest today. Yeah. It is Maitland Ward, Boy Meets World co-star.

Maitland, welcome to the program. Hello, nice to see you guys. Talk to you. So this whole topic, I mean, there's so many things we can talk about, but one of the things, Maitland, I hope you don't mind us getting into, is the sort of child star thing generally, because. Yeah. Well, I think you don't mind us getting into is the sort of child star thing generally because well, I think you have to discuss that Maitland made a transition into

The adult film world which our audience would probably appreciate. Okay. Well, that's A lot of the stuff off. All right, so I was I was sort of... Drew was waiting for me to do everything so he wasn't ready. No, no, no, no, no. It's that I thought we'd get to that stuff, but I... I get it, but I think if you're setting it up, you want to do it that way. All right, fair enough. I would agree with you. All right. So, as you enter... How old were you when you entered the adult FIM industry? Oh, like 40. Yeah. 38, something like that.

Yeah, you were at a kid. I was well-adult. It was not like I did it right after being a child star. And is it something you contemplated before? Yes, it's something I contemplated. Well, it was such a slow progression because after after I had, you know, been a Disney star and I had had success with that young and I started to get to be around the age of, you know, late twenties. It was, it was all drying up because, you know, it was kind of like they saw me as a

certain kind of character and they only wanted me to play that. And when I got older, they wouldn't let me play like the roles that I wanted to play. It was sort of like, you know, they only wanted to see me in this box. And then I, I just started exploring myself, really my own personal journey, both sexually and also who I wanted to be as a performer and as an actor and as a writer. And then it literally took like two decades to get to the point of where I really wanted to perform. And I perform in a much more specific way than I think that some people would think, oh, porn.

They're thinking that some cheesy scene they see on a on a on Pornhub or something. And I actually do full feature length films and do porn in them. So but yeah, it was a very long progression. It took a lot of thought process, a lot of hashing it out, and a lot of just seeing who I was as a person and working through that. And did you have you or do you or did you contemplate to the OnlyFans situation? I am on OnlyFans. I'm a big creator and only and so and actually that's how I got into doing professional films because

not only fans but I kept getting kicked off of like snapchat and instagram this was about got 8 years ago or something now but are 7 years ago. And my fans were like not for doing anything crazy like I was doing a sexy photo that like, you could see the shadow of a nipple on the bikini or what, you know, and so people would complain about my pictures. Actually a lot of like really Disney fans that didn't like the fact that I was being more

of a sexy person and doing stuff on my social media that I, you know, was a little more provocative than they were comfortable with, would complain about my photos and stuff and get them taken down. And then my fans were like, well, why don't you just sell content? And I didn't even know what that was at the time. If you're thinking seven years ago, I'm like, what, like, what is even the only fans was not like around the way it is now. So I said, well, maybe I'll just do Patreon because I thought,

Oh, it's kind of, it's kind of an in-between kind of thing. And I could just sell some sexy photos and maybe, maybe playboy ask type photos. And then, so I just kind of, I didn't even mention, I started one, I just kind of started one. And I remember the next morning I had 20 people fought like paying us a subscription fee and I hadn't even mentioned to my fans. And then, um, I, I had 20 people paying a subscription fee and I hadn't even mentioned it to my fans. And then I said, okay, let's try to advertise this on my social media. And then by the end of the week, I was the number one adult creator on Patreon, which wasn't fully pornographic. It was more like nudes and stuff on Patreon at that time.

And then it progressed. I just got more comfortable. I got more daring. I realized I really liked it. And I was really taking my own authentic journey along the way with my fans. And in terms of the progression, are you tempted to progress into some of this other stuff?

Or is that, are you just staying with- Which other stuff? You, whatever. I don't know how this is done, but the Porn Hub. I don't know how much farther I can go. Well, you said, but you said you're now, you, you sort of couch what you do is full length film, right? Yes.

But this was Dirk Diggler's thing, right? No, but yeah, but I mean, I get three page monologues in my stuff. Right. So. But the point is that, that's a specific thing. Do you ever, because you've mentioned a progression, does that progress to something else or you attempted to go to something else? Oh, yes. Yes. I get what you were saying. I thought you were talking about the only fans thing. Yeah, because eventually I did get with only fans and I, you know, professional porn and all of that

and started creating. Really, the reason that I really wanted to professional porn instead of just continuing to create my own content was that I wanted to make full length feature films. And I didn't even know that was possible at the time. I was kind of unaware that porn had this out there, that they were able to make this stuff. But I actually, by fate, I hooked up with a female director who wanted to do the same kind of things as I did. And then we created a project that was really, really cool, really groundbreaking, got a lot of attention, especially because I was the Disney star going into porn and doing this.

But then it snowballed from there. But what I really would love is to be a part of something that bridges the gap between mainstream and porn, where it's not full on like pornography, but it does have elements of sex and porn in really great productions. And you know what, I think we're seeing that in Hollywood now. I mean, the best picture, Nora's pretty, I mean, these explicit things that are out there

that they aren't called porn, but they're really like knocking on the door about and- Well, there's precedent, sorry, but there's precedent because in the 70s they had X-rated films playing mainstream theaters and celebrities came out on a Saturday night. That was that series, I forget the name of it now, that was about the porn industry on 42nd Street, and that was the one female director, that was her thing.

She wanted to bridge these two areas. You're talking about this, yeah, but you're not, you're confusing people here, because you go, that was the series. I'm talking about a feature film from the 70s. They did a series about it on Netflix or whatever. About how that evolved and how that got going. You gotta fill in the extra words,

that's what I'm saying, Drew. I'm with you. And the woman, the woman. Because I was thinking what series are you talking, I thought you meant a movie. No, the 42nd Street series with Michael. Yeah, but I've been saying they made a series about this era.

What you're talking about. Yes, yes. And the director, and this is my point, the director, you know, almost the very same words came out of her mouth. It just came out of Maitland's mouth, which is, I want to bridge these two worlds. Yeah. So look, there's precedent for it.

And it could be coming around again because things come around. That's kind of how we are as a society, you know, with fashion and art and things of that nature, design. So, you know, it could definitely come about. I mean, at some point, some close to A-list female and or male are going to have to sign off on essentially doing this. But yeah, you said the Academy Awards just gave best picture to a film that was, you know, bumping up against pornography, if not fitting the definition of pornography.

So I'm with you, I think it could happen. Also, sort of in the news, you got into it a little bit with Danielle Fischel from Boy Meets World. Who was that? Topanga, right? Was that her character, Drew? You remember Boy Meets World. He was a big fan.

He was a big fan. Now, you would know her, Drew, from the awards shows we used to go to. Remember? I love the Teen Joyce Awards. No, no. The other awards where it was like the excellence in broadcasting for the responsible broadcasting or whatever.

Yeah, remember those? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was at one of those. Okay. You know where that was? I don't remember you being at any of those. yeah. She was at one of those. Okay. You know where that was? I don't remember you being at any of those. Oh no, I left one of them. Remember that?

I don't. You don't remember that? I remember those wars, I don't remember you leaving. I don't remember you being there at all. You don't. If it's the ones I'm thinking of. The ones at the Skirball Center? Oh, the prison, yes, now I remember

what you're talking about, yes, where you had a, yes, I remember the whole episode, yes. Yes. All right, so I left. you're talking about. Yes, where you had a, yes, I remember the whole episode, yes. Yes, yes. All right, so I left. But, it's another story. But she was there. Shine Awards.

The Shine Awards. The Shine Awards we got. So, but you were saying, the thing that was funny, Drew, is you were saying Prism, and the Shine Awards looked like a Prism. Yeah, yeah, but there was Prism Awards too, which was a totally different thing. I didn't go to it, you didn't go to it.

All right, so Topanga, what's going on? What happened, what's the beef? Well, I think it was a conversation that was coming for a long time. Let me just say, I didn't expect to go on a show and have that happen the way it did. We were having a conversation, talking about old times. I mean, I could tell,

I know they're a little uncomfortable with the adult career stuff, fine. We were, but we were fine. We were like having a conversation. And I know Danielle and I had had issues in the past, personal issues. Now let me say personal issues. I mean, this is like going back and forth.

I was upset with her because she was really rude to me on the set when I came to the Girl Meets World set, which was years after we worked on Boy Meets World. And she was like, just very rude. And I was like, Oh, I think she doesn't like me because I'm trying to be like sexy or trying to come into her space and or take attention away. And that wasn't my intention. My intention was always to like have my own career and my brand and run parallel and cheer her on and whatever. But so she, I mean, she unfriended me from Facebook and I didn't understand why years ago I had written her a lovely letter and she said that she admits eventually she saw a lovely letter about her wedding that would come up like 10 years ago.

But she at the time just ignored it and like whatever. But then she said, oh, I didn't see it for like 10 years. And so basically that was kind of like what the whole fight like stemmed from, although there was a lot of other, you know, issues with girls on a show. And I'm not saying that she should be- What do you think that is? What are those issues? You know what? I don't know. I'm not saying that she should think that is what are those issues? You know what? I don't know. I didn't have those issues I promise you I came in there on the show and stuff and I've been nothing but nice to her along the way

except when I came out late years later and said oh, I think she hates me because she's Doesn't like that. I'm coming in on our I think this happens More with women, although it happens a lot in general, but I think it's a higher rate with women than it is with men, because there's more, I don't know, there seems to be more nerve endings with them in this department. The literature shows that women get more easily threatened by women, particularly with sexual desires, and that the women will then go back around to their male counterparts and go, she's a bitch, stay away from her, she's dangerous. The women will split the men against the person they're threatened by.

And you know, on the podcast with them, it kind of happened like that. There were the two guys on the side, who one of them, Wilfredfred Al was a friend of mine over the years, which I felt blindsided because he never warned me when I came on the show that she was going to turn it so hard against me. Because I never respected that. It starts from being threatened. It starts from you're threatening

and you're sort of threatening the world order, sort of the way that I think they feel it. You know what, you are putting it exactly like I wanted to say, and so much better of a way. Because that's what I felt. I felt she was always like threatened that I was going to do something in her universe. And it's not like I was going to, I wasn't.

I did wanna be her friend all through these years, and I've made overtures that she has rejected. But I don't, I think she was like awesome and sexy and cool in her own way. I don't think there was any like threat on either side of actually like taking away from each other. I think it was just in her, like she just, it's just having somebody come in like that. It's primitive. It's a primitive reaction, but it's common and it's a really interesting little example of it,

like old case study of this, of how this happens. Yeah. So it erupted last week. I don't know, I, I, I, it happens a lot, people, and also people have memories of transactions that like never occurred. You know what I mean? Like, they'll be, I can't, it probably happened to me at least at Baker's dozens times where like somebody goes,

I ran into you at the whatever thing, and then I showed you a picture of my dad's old Mustang, and you rolled your eyes and you walked away. And it's like, Opie and Anthony. I would never do that. I would never roll my eyes at your dad's Mustang and then walk away. I may think what a piece of shit that Mustang is and I would and I'm a snob, but I would never roll my eyes at it and then leave.

You know what I mean? You had some sort of feeling or recollection and yes, you're right, Opie and Anthony. Yes, true, you may finish that. You thought now. It's another story where we came out and said hi to Opie and Anthony, who we had the same agent, they came by our studio one night,

and we went out and they said, hey, thanks for coming by, well, how's it going? And that went down as Adam essentially is telling one of them to fuck off or something, with some crazy, crazy distortion of what had happened. It was a fever dream of but it was interesting it was Opie who went nuts and a morning team former morning team I like to set the table I see I never I never listen to those guys ever so they're both kind of confusing to me I know but they wanted

to get mad at me because I don't know let's askaitland. Do you know who Opie and Anthony is? No, what is that? See this is true. This is how many years have I sat next to you and said you need to say? Former child star now adult film star morning show because you throw stuff out. Yep. Oh, you know else does that who kids? Yeah Oh, you know else does that who kids yeah Open and they haven't been on the air for 14 years. Yeah, and we're based in New York. Yeah, mainland You know else does not gonna know who she is. That's it. Very old people. Okay No, I think I'm heading towards. All right, can we explain this true? Please the people that throw out names like, you know who they are. Yeah Our kids. Yeah, the mentally impaired, very old people,

crazy middle-aged women, and pompous Hollywood stars who speak, if you talk to pompous Hollywood stars, they'll go like, well, especially older guys, they'll go like, oh, you know, first show I did, that was Tony Adamowitz, that guy was a genius, right? So Tony would say to me, Tony and I were going out to dinner one night and I said to Tony,

and it's like, we don't know who that is. We don't, we don't, we don't know, you have to set the table, the guy who directed The Wild Bunch or whatever. So you're now with an elite fraternity of retarded people, middle-aged yentas, old senile people, and young children. Although the old senile is maybe part of the problem, but I've just realized-

No, you've done that your whole life. I know, but listen, it's how my mom talked. Oh. All the time. And I didn't realize until this second. She's part of the Yenta crowd who name drops. Yenta and like a male blowhard too. She'd always talk that way about people in her life like we're supposed to know interesting so Opie and Anthony were a

popular morning show based on the East Coast but but but a popular show and they came in they were in serious for a while too yes after that but it's been a while. Yeah, and they came in It's a good note and and we're brought in by our agent to say hi But here's the interesting point when you hear Opie go on his rant about what an asshole I am A couple things one is he kind of leaves you out of the mix He goes all in on me, which is interesting, but maybe in your theory, I am the comedian in the group. You're threatening. So maybe there's a little threat there

where you're the doctor, you know. Neither one of us said anything to him, but to show how the human mind works and what is wrong with everybody is when I came out of the studio, when you and I came out of the studio, when you and I came out of the studio, and was introduced to Opie and Anthony, who were on the East Coast,

and I've never met before, but I've heard of them, I said, what are you doing here? Because we're on the West Coast, and you guys are an East Coast morning team. And it was 10 o'clock at night in Culver City and stuff. Yeah, I was just kind of introduced to him. And he then explained, I looked at him and said,

what are you doing here? Which would make me an insane person, I think. And then I stared at him through the glass the whole time angry angry I couldn't even see through that damn glass all you saw was your own reflection looking back at you because it was dark especially within the front there where they were sitting

I was seething that's interesting isn't it Drew? yes it's interesting and it speaks volumes about people's narcissism really I think it's it comes from a place of grandiosity. Alright, mate, let me take a quick break. We'll come right back and we'll kick your tires a little more right after this. We live in a world where our personal information is more accessible now than ever. Data brokers collect and sell your private details, your name, your home address,

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First day on the set. It's like okay first dance that she barged in that sounds like started ordering people around Yeah, you know I mean, okay, that's version. Then you have Maitland's version. I was nothing but nice. I'm a fan. I was cheering for her. Where's this chasm? How's it ever bridged? If these are the two versions of what these two things were. It's because you have to start time what was really going on with people and has nothing to do with any of that. There's something else going on and the narcissist ain't going there. They're not going. How much? If you went to Opie, was it Opie was the one that was? Yeah. If you went to him and

said no no no come on what are you talking about? Is that maybe something? I mean you may be distorting that? No. All right, here's another problem. May, Lynn, you may be able to speak to this. Which is, my MO is I don't do a lot of talking to people on the set or craft service or whatever. I don't talk a lot. Anywhere. Yeah, I just sit there.

Most of the time I'll sit there. And some people who are insecure thinks that means something. Well, if you're a grandiose narcissist, you'll read into that. You'll read into it. You'll project it. Yes, nothing should be read into.

I just don't have that much to say about certain things. Or I'm writing something down or thinking about something else. I find myself just sitting there a lot. And also you get two women together and they start getting up a little head of steam about stuff and energy and this, it could be anything. It doesn't have to be something negative.

They're just chatting. I might just be sitting in the room I might not say a word for 20 minutes. I might just sit there. Yeah You had that experience in my house. I did But it doesn't mean I don't like anybody or oh by the way, no, like I think I'm better than or any of that It's not of that. I'm just sitting. I'm just there. People graft a lot of their own shit on to people. And I get some of it. I get some of it if someone's giving you

the cold shoulder or something, but they can take. But see, if that were me, I would be confused, not angry. Well, I think the confusion, yeah. They're angry, they say you think you're smarter than, better than, you don't like me, you know. It's all grandiosity. It has to do with them all the time. Always.

But, how is it we're supposed to navigate this world if people are going to graft on a bunch of feelings that don't exist to people? Listen, I was listening to a psychoanalyst, really smart dude, yesterday, and he said, oh no, we have a, make no mistake, we have a pandemic of narcissism. I thought, oh, that's what we thought. He goes, that's it. Hey, I have a quick question before I forget it. As it pertains to you being a threat, do you work with the same, do you work with men and women, and are the same, the same performers, or is it, you know, is it cast?

Yeah, I work with both men and women, yeah. And is it the same person, same people every time or is it depending? No, it's not the same. No, no, there's different people. Although there do, we do tend to work with people repeatedly just because they're professionals in the industry. It's like working with, you know, actors who are top actors on shows or whatever, they work with the same kind of people. But I haven't had that kind of experience that much in porn. What kind of experience?

Which is interesting. Like about the kind of experience about the cattiness of the girls on set or whatever with me. But I think it's because I'm coming from a different place. I came into it from another avenue. I mean, so I just don't think it's the same dynamic as two girls of the same age coming in on a show together and like, trying to fight for their space. And honestly, though, I was not on this show going to bring this up at all. I was like, I don't know why it was brought up so fresh and hard when it's been professional,

but when it's been like years since all of this happened, which is interesting. And, um, and I think I, like when you were talking about like saying, Oh, maybe she didn't talk on set that day or maybe she, you know, didn't mean it that way. Okay, that's fine. I get that. I totally get that, and I could have taken it the wrong way. But like shortly after, I wrote her a letter for her wedding on Facebook, and then she unfriended me on Facebook

and never spoke to me again. So, that's why I'm like, it wasn't just... Did you ever get, did the two of you ever like the same guy or something when you were younger? Something she never got over? I wouldn't say that. I mean, I don't know who she liked or I don't think so. I think it was more just like the space that we were in.

And you know, at that time in the early 2000s, late 90s, it was just like for actresses, it was very, not that it's not competitive now, but I mean, my God, it was like the studios were controlling like everything about us and like, you know, deciding you couldn't go out on social media and just talk and get a following and like do all that. We didn't have any of that. It was more, it was very constricted. I mean, I just thinking back on like the control

like Disney would have over us. So I think it was like anybody that was threatening your space there, that was, you know, that, and especially as a very young person too. As a very young person. I think I would have handled it so much differently now. And maybe she would have too, I don't know, but you know.

The whole, the whole thing is, it's sort of built to fail in the sense that you have all relationships yeah I mean you have a window the window is you know I you know a finite window for women especially have to pass through that window and then you get too old to play the young engineer or whatever so you have this window yeah anytime you create a window it's like create a window, it's like, you know. Yeah, it's like you're sitting on the bench as a backup quarterback in the NFL.

So how many years you got in the league? How many years you wanna spend on the bench? You know what I mean? There's acrimony between you and the guy starting and the head coach, because there's a window. So you have a window, then you have a sort of, you know, an aesthetic, then you have a window, then you have a sort of, you know, an aesthetic, then you have a system that may pick somebody over you based on an aesthetic and not based on ability.

And then there's tons of people vying for, you know, very few positions, which are going to create a lot of elbowing and pushing people out of the way. I mean, it really. And the young ones coming up. And now there's a young one coming. Their windows are bigger. Yeah, it's built, it's just built to fail. You know, it doesn't, you don't have,

you know, when I worked at McDonald's, we didn't have a thing where I'd go, that guy on the fries thinks his shit doesn't stink. No window for you at McDonald's? The window is forever. Oh man, I gotta get to the fry. Nobody wants to be there and who cares? You don't have any of that and when it comes to comedy or acting or things of that nature,

there's a small window, there's a certain number of seats at the table, and then you have young women. And now it's on so I It's it's it's baked in and Sexuality now and sexual I think with the rocket fuel. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right on that I think her like hatred towards me now her anger is underlying a lot against porn and sexuality and that and I don't think she wants to say that out loud because she uses these other things to, you know,

as an excuse or. Let me pause it, pause at this possible last jab. Danielle. Which is, if her, you know, she was very popular for a period of time. Very popular, household namey Certainly recognized her just about anywhere. I'm sure she couldn't walk through any mall in America without being stopped I want to take a picture of what was the character's name?

Topanga Topanga Which is hysterical so She had a Spanish friend named lost virginus, did you know that's right? Hey true got a laugh out of true Still at her Heimann, you know, I have never seen this one before in my neck in my consciousness We didn't you've never seen the shining I've seen the shiny. Thanks. Well after my force forced you. It was during that period where I didn't consume any media.

Let's not shit on my point here. Let me just finish here. She was very popular. She was a household name. The only American who didn't know she was is sitting next to me right now offering a counterpoint. She was a very popular. She was way out of my demo I wasn't watching boy meets world when I was 32, but it was on Exactly during my training is it when I would did not consume a single no No, no Seasons right there. Yeah, bullshit night right in your training

I was with you in 99 when we'd go to scur ball center She'd be there getting an award with us. All right, so quiet. All right in the middle of your training Your training was from when to when? You're right, it was towards the end Who's right about Drew's training how would I know? Okay, so she was very popular, and she did not go on to have a Jennifer Aniston type career where she just moved on to features

and doing other projects and things of that nature. Now look, it's a tough business, I get it, but I feel like if she just moved on to doing features and having a Jennifer Aniston type career, attractive girl on a popular 90's show and just moved on, that she probably wouldn't be bothering herself with this. True.

And that's my take on some of this. I don't know what she's up to, I don't see her in movies. Think about this, just think about sort of the contrarian sort of perspective on this. If indeed she doesn't like pornography and she is concerned about the people in that industry, she should be like, oh honey, are you okay? Have you thought about this? Maybe this isn't a good choice for you. She would be sympathetic or empathic to you if she really thought it was a bad choice for you rather than threatened by you. I'm curious to what you think because the whole thing is it's her podcast that I came

on with the guys, the Boy Meets World podcast, Pod Meets World, and they asked me to come on. And like, if you ask somebody to come on the show and then you fire at them, like in the middle of out of nowhere really in the middle of the show? What is the psychology of that? Well, I mean, especially an old friend, an old friend, not just like a podcast. I would just say two simple things. It's obviously been building up for a long time and she would say the fans expect this of me. She had some motivation to do a good podcast

and the fans wanted this. And it was already built up inside of me. I mean, some things are an ambush. And then there's like, famously Gavin Newsom came in here and I argued with him for an hour. But, and I was not a hospitable host, but I had every intention of having a good conversation with Gavin Newsom.

He just started bringing up shit and lying, and I just called him out on it, and he dug in. And so- Did you lie, Mayley? Did you say anything that upset her? No, no, it was literally out of nowhere on my thing, on this podcast. So it's hard-

She contends that, she contends that a couple years ago, when she tried to call me, you know, and explain things. Cause I had called her out by for like de-infronting me and stuff that, you know, I didn't want to talk to her. And I said, well, just save it for the podcast. And I did.

It was such a rude thing. Cause I was just sick of her right then. I was just like, so she goes, okay, now is your time. I have the question. Like it's like the whole podcast was like, um, we were talking time. I have the question. Like, it's like, the whole podcast was like, we were talking like about stuff now, like this. It would be like, all of a sudden you go, oh, she was, okay, I have a question

that I've been wanting to ask you for a long time. Do you hate us? Yeah, I also, I was like, never. Oh, look at, whoa, went all blurry. Never discount people trying to, people trying to get clicks and whatever. I don't know how much of what people mean. Maitland, let me give you a plug.

And she did get the clicks for the show. We're talking about it. Rated X, How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood. That's Maitland's book, it's been out, but you can get it wherever you find finer books. Thanks for joining us. Maylin again Oh, thank you so much. I always like talking to you guys. Good luck. We'll do it again soon I'll beat the desert ridge improv and Phoenix coming up March 14 15th and 16 some shows available Tacoma After that Spokane after that. What do you got, Drew? I got Rumble.

You can subscribe there. Ask Dr. Drew. I got March 17 coming up in New York City with Rob Henderson, if you know who he is. Really interesting dude. We should have you here. I'm going to make one of the things. And yeah, just go to Dr. Drew at com.

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