The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1983 Quoting Danny Bonaduce

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Adam and Dr. Drew discuss the gobsmacking lack of accountability that ceremonial politicians are beholden to, how people under Soviet rule have been innoculated against propaganda and fake news, and how children in show business are set up to fail.

Recording live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on, got to get on the chair. Dr. Drew's board certified specialist. What's going on out there, man? You know, I was thinking before the mics heated up that it's so interesting to me that we went from Germany or Florida. Florida really, I mean Germany was the front of the joke,

but really Florida was you know what we were taking aim at. And now Florida is where we all want to move. And now to be fair I mean Northern Florida, Panhandle, still got some of that shit going on, but it's, and that's only what, 15 years or so that this has changed so dramatically? It's kind of interesting. Yeah, well, our, you know, state does not run efficiently. Yeah, maybe it's because we're in California. I think because we're in California, it really seems good, but it does seem sort of governed, ours doesn't really seem governed.

It isn't. We have people in ceremonial positions here they don't govern, or they're campaigning for the next job. Yeah, but let me ask you this, Drew. Why wouldn't these things, or many of these positions become ceremonial if in fact we started couching them as ceremonial? Which is, I know, it's a little ambiguous.

I'm following. Which you so far. When you, okay, I don't think people understand this, but when you say we have the first black lesbian woman of color as the mayor, then we're making her sort of de facto ceremonial. Because we're, she's there to be mayor, but remember, she's the first of blah, blah, blah from this tribe. So the important part she's the first of blah blah blah from this tribe So the first of this important part is this ceremonial position not the governing? we think Look, let me just let's just really try to break it down to its sort of psychological elements. Okay. Yeah when you take a

middle-aged heterosexual Balding white dude and you go you're the mayor He's only there to be the mayor. Yeah, it's mayor mayor mayor He may be a shit mayor, but it's just that's his job Yeah, if you start grafting on the first and then you go the first Indigenous person and the first of you know, gay or the LGBT community, whatever. Well, then that's part of their job. I mean, I mean, I'm getting

esoteric here, but I think you're understanding what I'm saying. You're there as a ceremonial, you know, when we go, oh, the guy's going to throw out the first pitch at the Dodger. He's not pitching. He's there to, it's a ceremonial thing. We have, I don't know if you, well you probably know this, but there is a mayor of Hollywood, you know what I mean? But it's not, there isn't really a mayor of Hollywood. It's just kind of a position where you get to be the mayor of Hollywood.

You're not involved with policy per se. You preside over the star on the Walk of Fame unveiling for. Right? It is ceremonial. Yes. So so when you when you start getting into the first woman of color to be the mayor of the city of Chicago, the first openly gay, you know, whatever it is, you're already moving part of it into a ceremonial position. So the question is, the interesting question to me is, have we just, have we become such sheep that we've forgotten that these people take our money and are supposed to do things with that money or that we just become so,

the frog has been boiled so thoroughly. It's just like COVID, it's just put your mask on before you go on the trail and shut the fuck up and don't think about anything. But I think people forgot about government or something. They forgot that they- Just, you notice it with homeless, you know. it, you notice it with homeless, you know, okay, so, okay.

Have these ceremonial people done an excellent job by and large, if you're just comparing them to the non-ceremonial people? And I think the answer is no. I think it's sort of consistent with, I'm here partially because, consistent with, I'm here partially because I graduated college and I got involved with government on a local level and I clerked at a law firm or something. That's part of why I'm here,

but that also would cover many Americans. My gift is, I'm a black lesbian lady. That's the ceremonial part So then what do you end up getting with like Lori Lightfoot you get? Part governing and part ceremonial. Yeah, and then the city is just sort of going well It's you know, not as good as it could be but we do have the ceremony Yes of this this person and we like it we like the optics yeah of it I'm just saying like who interesting who has ridden

that part you know where they go look Corrine Jean-Pierre started off the first day and the press conference was explaining that the the first woman of Jamaican extraction and the first lesbian to ever whatever, and then went on to be a shitty press, White House press official. I mean she was, I mean look, I don't know, maybe I'm biased. She didn't answer a lot of questions.

She was in a horrible position, but she didn't have any answers for anything, and she just said a lot of pablum I mean, I can't answer that from up here. I'm not gonna answer that from up here. I've been telling you I'm not gonna answer that from up here. What is that? Yeah from where might you answer this question bitch? So you're there, but you told us she told us at the beginning. I Am the first this and I'm the first that and so that's the ceremony part now If you want to part from really fucking good at my job

refer back to the ceremony part and then I will do a Midland kind of job of this but remember a lot of the reason I'm here is for this, so do not ask too much of that. Remember, Karen Bass was in Ghana celebrating in ceremonial garb. What, why? Why, while LA burned, why? What do you want? It's a ceremony.

It's not, she's here to go to Ghana to represent, not to. Into the Olympics, into Paris. She's not here to fill the fucking aqueducts. That's not all she's here to go to Ghana to represent, not to. Into the Olympics, to Paris. She's not here to fill the fucking aqueducts. That's not all we'd elect. We could have got a white guy if we wanted that. However, this does not exclude people from being a first and being a great governor and leader. Witness Mayor Bradley.

Tom Bradley. Tom Bradley. Incredible. God, I would give. Right, right, right. What would I give to have him back? Right, but hold Bradley, incredible. God, I would give, what would I give to have him back? But hold on, Drew. You can do this if there's no ceremony in what you're doing. You can be the first.

But he may have been elected for ceremonial purposes, but he went. Now, I don't, I really don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think you can be the first black quarterback and be a great quarterback, but it's only if you're there because you beat out three white guys to start on that team on Sunday.

You know, if we're putting you in there because we want the first black quarterback on our team, then things probably aren't going to work out that well. So Tom Bradley, black mayor of LA, I've screamed about a million times, that was 50 years ago, longer than 50 years ago. We liked him. Oh. Well, I, look, first off, I wasn't in the nuts and bolts of politics, but we didn't make much out of him being a black male

who was the mayor, and that was 50 years ago. We still were. I would argue that there was a certain amount of pride in that, but that he was a great mayor, and that was that. I mean, I was around around and he was around from like 69 and 93 or something. I don't even know how it works But he was it was mayor forever and people are like, yeah like that guy

Yeah, they wouldn't bring his color up that much. No, if at all not down the road. All right, so You can be okay. Let's see if we can break this down You can be, okay, let's see if we can break this down. You can be a great leader and be a woman, and you can be a great leader and be black and gay and any of the above. Yes. But if we're touting that about you and using that as a way to get you elected,

then no, probably not because you're there for ceremonial reasons, not for competent reasons. Now, it's possible that you could be both. Right. But I don't see. Well, the problem is people might doubt it now. Oh, well now people have doubted. But when you, just hearing a lot of these people talk,

they do not inspire confidence. You know it's great. You gotta listen to Karen Bass. Karen Bass, the other day, she was like, if you, what? Mayor in Los Angeles. Mayor in Los Angeles, sorry. You're right, didn't say say I'm paying attention to this We've talked about her quite a bit. I'm trying to be mayor of Los Angeles Karen Bass Karen Bass

She she goes now. I want you to think about this through She has a clip where she goes You know if you want to just rebuild your house using the old plans, then maybe we could do that. You know, but if you wanted to go with, make your house more bigger, she couldn't summon square footage. She couldn't summon the term add square footage to your home. I wonder if Rick Caruso could have figured out that one out. Yes

She's like more taller Because she's dumb and she's a process person and she doesn't know what fucking square footage she doesn't care Do you know what I mean? That's not her world. Her world is in Ghana Explain with me about process person to make sure people she just wants to go to Ghana and do ceremonial talk There's a talk about stuff and by the way, don't trust anybody who wants to talk about nothing You know seating at the table and well, you know dignity and going to bed dignity. Don't trust it. They're probably All Kamala Harris talked about was process and I never heard any nuts and bolts come out of her mouth So do not trust hey I would not trust I was speaking or you'll get what

you get now if the city just runs itself then by all means hire a black woman to run the city because the city runs itself mean somebody just for that yeah ceremonial she's there for ceremonial reasons, but occasionally a fire breaks out and then we need someone competent and we don't have that. Sorry, go ahead. So speaking of trusting, I heard a really interesting commentary by on French radio yesterday morning and it was a Russian woman who had moved to France in 2014. She ended up managing Russian TV in Paris and she was like, you know, at the time there was Al Jazeera and French women and men, it's people Al Jazeera's and people manage the turkey TV, people manage

the Chinese TV station. I managed the Russian TV station. When the Ukrainian thing, Baker broke out, she became accused of being Putin's puppet and all these things used to journalists this is what moved fast because for she had some reasons and And I thought and she goes, you know She goes through what a book called banished. I think it's available in English and she goes the interesting thing is People don't understand that in Russia we lived under the Soviet state and she used this word. She goes, we've been inoculated against propaganda and fake media by the Soviet state. We know what that is. We don't trust fucking anything. Right. Because we lived

under that. People in France, United states england. They believed the press She was that's a huge mistake Yeah, and they were accusing her as gelman amnesia stuff They were accusing her of things that she was like this is insane and people believed it Yeah, I mean pravda means truth. Yeah, so you can imagine the number one newspaper in Russia is just called Truth, which is comical, obviously. Well, not any more comical than what goes on here. And maybe it's better over there now.

I don't know. It's not Soviet Russia anymore. That's the other thing. Yes, they have a shitty guy in the dictatorship role. I got that. But the society, they may have more truth than we do. They may have more speech than we do. I don't know. Well, I mean, I get it's a go to the well.

You don't have the Russians trying to put silences on the social media. It's the EU wants to do that. Right. That's the irony of all this. I get the go to the racist card and go to the putin's puppet or whatever. I get it. I don't know if they know people sort of laughing at them or don't really care. I mean they get a lot of money out of it. Okay. They generate a lot of defense expense but all these countries. We got Karen Bass talking about making the house bigger. In her mind, in her mind she's thinking, her mind is thinking square footage but

her tongue and her tongue in her mouth won't cooperate because she doesn't understand stuff. She's dumb because she doesn't know. Because she's so process-oriented, you may be expecting too much to even use the notion of square footage. She's not a math fan. That's what I'm saying, she's dumb. All right, so here she is, sorry. They should be able to do it.

They should be able to start tonight. That will not be the case. You know first we have to take care, to make sure that there's not, getting rid of the hazardous waste, cleaning things up so that people can start right away And just like you said if somebody had their house was destroyed and they're gonna rebuild Essentially the same maybe a little bit longer a little bit higher

They really shouldn't have to go through much of a process so I want you to know that we are expediting that we absolutely Need your higher. We got a little bit longer a little bit higher We absolutely need your help. All right, we got a little bit longer, a little bit higher. I actually feel bad. We're in these intense situations. She's a dunce, but she's there for ceremonial reasons. That's all. I'm just saying it doesn't work out.

And why should it work out? It wouldn't work out in any company. It wouldn't work out in any company. If you made your new CFO there for sort of ceremonial hill, this guy sucks a mean cock. That's why we have this new CFO. Like, well, how would that work out? We'd feel good about it.

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Still laughing about that. Well, why would it? I've been sounding the alarm bell on this for a long time. Yes, indeed. Everyone else thinks it's a great idea. It's not a good idea. So I would like to switch gears if you don't mind. Yeah. Okay. So we last show spoke to Maitland Ward, child star, Disney star, and it made me start

to think about that topic more generally. And I'm never quite sure what to do with it. Mostly because I think most people are aware, sort of the outcome of child star is sort of statistically not great. I mean there are certainly people that do fine and they go on to do other things and it's not a guarantee of trouble, but there's a higher incidence, it seems like. And our mutual acquaintance, Danny Bonaduce, used to talk about this. When you were working with him, and do people know you worked with him for, how long was that, like 18 months or something?

One year. One year, when he was co-hosting your morning radio show in the 2005, 2007, in that era? Somewhere in there. In there. Did he ever talk about his theory with you about child stardom and who child stars are and why the outcomes are bad? Yeah, he did.

What did you hear from him? Well, his take, and you know, I'm not accustomed to quoting Danny Bonaduce. Why not? He didn't have a lot of fantastic takes. But he also had this weird, this grandiosity thing where he'd go like, he'd go, I'd be making some point.

I'd go, listen, I don't get it. I go to Starbucks, order a coffee. I gotta't get it. I go to Starbucks order a coffee I got a tip the guy I go to the other place a guy hands me a doughnut I got a tip the guy but you go to You go to Home Depot guy gets you 40 feet of back anchor chain from a bucket wraps it all up You don't tip that guy and he goes I tip that guy All right, thank you for shitting on my point, but no you don't tip that guy, but okay, but anyways So what's difficult makes you feel better about how I should?

You you I guess I was a you come off smell like a rose compared to Bonaducey, but He did tell me something that made sense Can I just say Ricky use this shit on your points that way to do these sim similar kind of well, okay? Oh And I didn't understand was was going on back then, by the way, I didn't pay attention to this kinda stuff. Many people have a default of shitting on points, which they don't understand is within them, which is a very bad habit that many people have.

And I'm not sure why it is so prevalent, from a nature or an evolution, where you just go, there's lots of these people, percentage-wise, where you go to these inner city kids that grow up without dads, they don't stand. I know a guy who grew up without his dad. He's a black kid. He went to Harvard. Now he's a surgeon. Yeah. Okay. All right. That's that kid. But anyway, back to my point, which is it's not good. They, there's a lot of, a lot, it's built in on a lot.

It's built in. Yeah lot of it's built in yeah many people have I think I wonder if it's how we sort of educate people and if we just did the not only that but with them they would come off totally differently they'd be much more effective in argumentation and things I don't know anyway if you if you if you said in front of Dawson no if you said everyone loves pineapple upside down cake, but you never see anyone eating it, no one ever has it, but it's great, he'd go, I had it last night. That's what he would do.

And he'll do it every single time, whatever it is you're discussing. So I don't know how it works. A lot of people are afflicted with it. It's kind of a disease. It's not good for conversations. And I tend to talk to those people less because they invalidate whatever it is you're saying

constantly. But, and then there's some people that are just organic. They'll just go, I agree or I disagree. You know, this happened, that happened. Now, Bonaduce. He said to me, and I remember this, and there's a handful of things you've said, Drew, that I remember as well.

Really? I'm curious what they might be, but maybe not today. Okay, I got him though. Speaking of ceremonial. He said, he goes, well now, everyone says child stars are a mess. And he goes, but think about the guys you went to high school with.

Right. I mean, one of my best friends, I paid for his rehab. The other friend should have paid for his rehab. You know, these guys had issues with substances, they had issues with employment, they had issues with the law on occasion. So the point being- They went to prison, Their dad went to prison.

No one was a child star where I grew up, and everyone was a fucked up mess. So the point is, the incidents of these things, you have to take that into account when you look at children generally, child stars or otherwise. Now I'm going to say that that was a period of history where that was sort of abnormally present. What period? You're the 70s, 80s, maybe even into the 90s. Bad, and that's what Rob Henderson's point is about California generally and about how child rearing was done.

There's a lot of trauma. Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying there's people I went to high school with that are dead, you know, because of drugs and what hap, I mean, there are people, I had a guy, listen, the family that lived up the street for me, there was three boys all separated by like a year and a half or something. One boy didn't see his 21st birthday and the other boy didn't see his 25th birthday.

And there's one, the oldest one's the one that's left. The crazy biker one. You know what I mean? Who probably, the money would be, he'd be gone. You know what I mean? None of them were child stars. They're just, that was, that was life. You know, so I'm not, I'm not,

listen, all I'm saying is when Danny told me that, I started thinking about the Dittman brothers and my friends and some of these guys that didn't make it out or went to rehab or what have you and a lot of drunken whatever and cops. And I thought, yeah, none of them were celebrities. Right. So- Danny wanted to make some other points too. And I thought, yeah, none of them were celebrities. Right. So, uh-

Danny went on to make some other points, too, when I- Which, I'm not saying really nullifies it, I'm just saying it may be an illusion because they're high profile, whereas all my friends were low profile and ended up going down that path, or a lot lot of many of them. So you're already you're suggesting something in that statement which is the low profile people may have had a selection pressure like something about being low created this. No no no no. Same thing might be true of being high profile. No but no I don't I don't think low profile I'm just saying no profile.

There were dudes who played sports and went to high school and then, just had difficulty with discipline. You know, and they sort of did what they wanted. So there was a lot of impulse control, you know, that kind of stuff. And some of them paid the ultimate price. You know, car accidents and drug overdoses and stuff

But there was a you know, fair bit of it It wasn't like living in the inner city where everyone, you know got shot, but it was like this You know few of them died. Yeah And so what Danny mentioned to me was he said, you know I was around a bunch of these kids and some of them were just fine But I noticed the ones that had trouble had abusive parents and my parents were abusive as hell. And if you remember Mr. Kinkade sort of rescued him from some of that which was the character Mr. Kinkade on the

Partridge family who was the manager of the band. Wow you're really setting the table now. Yeah. You got to massage it make sure sure do a problem good And the actor the man that played mr. Kincaid took Danny under his wing and realized there was trouble Dave Madden was his name I think it seemed like a genuinely good guy Was always kind of funny in the series even though they didn't have a ton of great lines But his sort of face was always making that face, you know? He could do a thing.

I don't know if you remember this. And it's a thing. You guys don't know this thing. You're too young. But there's the, like, sort of John Belushi, like, raise the eyebrow, like, huh? Yeah. And maybe it was because of the hairstyle,

but he could get a scalp to sort of move back a quarter inch. I could be like, no, he's gonna be like, what? You just see, you would see his, when he looked bewildered or perplexed or frustrated, you'd see the scalp. It was weird. It wasn't like he was making a face. You'd see his hair go, bleh.

You know, like move back. And it was like, it was expressive. Like I don't know how to explain it. It wasn't his eyebrows. No, it wasn't. It was eyebrow and you would see his hairline because they had like a sort of sweeping, you know, hair, 70s hair.

And you just see it like, you know, Danny would come around the corner and he'd be out getting ready to go on a date. Bonnie Kleinschmidt would be the, they always had these, they were stewardesses. Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? Like he was the bachelor. Yes. And she was a stewardess, you know, and she's going to be over and stay the night in Sacramento

and they're going to have a hot date, you know, and then you'd see Danny like come around the corner with a suitcase pack You know, I'm going with you tonight. Mr. Kincaid and he'd go Great and he'd see his hair. Yeah, his hair would move. It was weird But yes, he saved Danny said he took him under his wing and saved him from worse outcomes, which right Danny had problems with substance abuse. But it just brings the issue up. I'm sure being parentalized, being in adult and adult world, being sort of having this

sort of intense experience of being on TV and all this works against everything in terms of child development. I never thought about this, Drew, ever. I don't think. But what is the burden and or the toll of people counting on you versus an anonymous kind of life in that? As a child. It's burdensome as an adult. Yes. I can tell you. As a child, it is traumatic. I would think. Yeah, it requires them to be adult, which is the opposite of

what children need. Right, because anybody who, you know, may complain about being down the trough or the totem pole or whatever you're down on in life, that may be true. But keep in mind, you can wake up any day of the week and call into work and go, not gonna be there. And everyone goes, okay. I cannot do that. And I haven't been able to do it for 25 years and neither can you.

So. The child can't do it if they're a star. And I'm not a big fan of that feeling because I do want the ability on rare occasions to go, fucking not feeling good today. Or I'm not in the mood You know whatever it is whatever that thing's just now, but I can't okay, but when you're 11 And your parents are counting on that income

That's burdensome. I mean that's a factor that I don't I don't think people really think about I agree and back to the When you're 11 you just go I got a tummy ache, I'm not going to school today, fuck it mom, make me some soup. And back to the low group, they're parentalized too, because their parents are working or not around or they're latchkey or they're getting whatever. Oh, you're talking about my friends. Your friends get parentalized very well. Yes, they're out fucking, they're hustling at 15.

They're trying to figure out where to eat and stuff, you know. You just heard to me something else about being a child star actually being successful in the media. It has an intensity to it that when they lose it, I think they miss it. And it made me think, I wonder if that's what pornography does to people. Like it's so intense and they have to keep going back for more. You know, this intensity is not good for kids. Right. And so the intensity of being in front of a, you know, Teen Choice Awards, whatever it might be, may not be good for some kids.

I don't think so. I just, I don't think having, you know, a parent that's intense is good for kids. You know, big swings and moods and burps and stuff like that. That's to the biological point, that it shatters the upper limits of the child's ability to regulate. That's what we think about that it shatters the upper limit to the child's ability to regulate.

That's what we think about that. And when that shattering occurs, there's dissociation and there's disconnection, disintegration, things of connections in the brain. So there you go. Interesting. Interesting because I labeled it interesting. Before we go on now, one last thing. Did you see Bill Murray talking about Bob Woodward?

And he mentioned Belushi a second ago and he was on Rogan. I'd heard a little bits and pieces, but I've really been traveling and running around and kind of missed everything. He essentially said he goes, it's kind of interesting. He goes, yeah, Woodward wrote this book about Belushi and he goes, he goes silent from it and he goes, I read the first five pages. And I thought to myself, oh my God, he framed Nixon. Oh, he's such a liar. Because the lying about Belushi was so profound and the sources were so peripheral that he

thought, oh my God, he doesn't know what he's, something's wrong with what this guy is all about. Which fits. If I see him come on another CNN show and talk about Trump and- Worse than Watergate. Yeah, whatever. Worse than Watergate. Yeah, whatever. Worse than Watergate. The thing that didn't happen is worse than Watergate.

Yeah, I will say this. Now everything is on the table, right? That's right, that's right. Everything. Yes. In terms of believing or not believing. This is back to the Russian thing. We were under a totalitarian regime for a minute with COVID and inoculated us

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