The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2002 I'm Turned Off

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

In today’s episode, Dr. Drew speculates on the role religion, or lack thereof, is playing in the country today, and Adam hypothesizes that women try to hack life too much as he poses a question to the Booth Girl. The Guys then get into a lively debate about what we really need in this country to steer us in the right direction.Thank You for Supporting Our Sponsors:ADS is sponsored by BetterHelpBetterHelp.com/ADAMANDDREWSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. Yeah, get it on. Get it on. Get it on. Get it on. That's your board for the first time. It's going on, man. Hey, man. I wanted to kind of get into an interesting topic here, and I don't think you and I have ever talked about it in any detail. And that is sort of the spiritual vacuum we live in in this country. And I guess we've never talked about it because when people think about spirituality, they

immediately go, religion, God. And there's a lot more to it than that. And I just wonder if you have any thoughts about it. We've never really talked about it. I would argue that in the aftermath of COVID, it's gotten worse. It was already bad. But COVID, like, it just blew open so many weaknesses we had, and that's another one. RG Well, evidently people need it because... JL Well, let's say, what is it? Let's define what it is. Is it religion? Is it church? Is it church community? Is it a sense of higher power or God? It's all these things, right?

RG Well, they're trying to do end-arounds from what is, and it's not working. Well, that's Marxism. They're trying to get rid of it. But I mean, we have shots that make you lose weight, except for everyone's getting fatter. I want to say this, and I don't know about this per se. I think a lot of it, I always talk about chick think. And then I think chick think is more, more lends itself

to hacks and end-of-rounds than dude think. Because it's so non-connected to problem solving or building or something like that. I think there's something more in, okay, when I was nine, you know, like I remember going to the racetrack with my cousin Vince Bruno, even though he didn't really ever have a what you call a job or career like to gamble a little bit. Was he the the bartender guy? Yeah yeah. He's your cousin? I don't know he was supposed to be my dad's cousin but

turns out I don't know. I thought he was my uncle but he's not. I didn't even know I didn't know what an uncle or cousin I didn't know how he was. I thought he was my uncle, but he's not. I didn't even know, I didn't know what an uncle or cousin, I didn't know how to define it, or what constituted an uncle or something. But all right, let's drill down. So I remember going to the track, going to like Santa Anita, no, probably the one that was out by Santa Monica

or wherever it was. Hollywood Park. Hollywood Park or something with him. Yeah. It was a very rare, I think my dad wouldn't instigate anything or front anything, but Vince was a little bit normal in that once every two years he'd want to go to Disneyland or he'd want to go to the track or you could go to his place in Santa Monica, his apartment, and order a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken and sit and eat it in his little shitty apartment. But that was a big day. It's like we're traveling. We're going to Santa Monica from the valley

So like big day for your dad Yeah, I mean everything was kind of a big deal. Yeah, you know or a tough tough enough I mean we're gonna get that VW bug over the 405 pass There's because there's history embedded in all of this that people don't think about Cars overheated getting across that wasn't what it is now. No, it was a deal I mean, it was a thing. Well, we also had piles of shit You know what I mean? Like you had a new car, but most of that piles of shit back then Yeah, I mean I what I'm thinking is I mean we you know, we're only 40 years out of the Great Depression You know what I mean? Like grace of wrath. Well, that's how we before that. You know, let're only 40 years out of the Great Depression. You know what I mean? Like great wrath

Let me circle back circle I remember going to the track and sort of discovering there was a win place or show kind of Category, yes, I thought well you bet on the who's winning. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know there was a third place category, right? paid less and and then at that moment, I thought, you know, here's how I'm going to make my living, essentially. I will come to this track and I will take the horse that's the favorite and I'll bet it to show. And that way, the favorite is always going to come in at least third place and then I'll get paid. And that'll be what I'll do for a living. You know what I mean? And it seemed like a pretty good plan.

Now, I don't know why other people hadn't thought of it before me, but the horse that was going to win, the favorite usually won, but if it didn't win, it came in second or third, so I'd always be in the money, you know. And I didn't know why that plan wouldn't work, but I thought this would be a good thing to do, because I was nine. And I do notice women trying to hack things all the time. Like, there's a thing, you know, you drink, you know, you can eat what you want, then you have a shot of red vinegar, red wine, vinegar, cider before you go to bed and the fat melts away or whatever is kind of end around. Yeah. And now what it is, is it's the opposite of stoicism. Yes. Stoicism is just I'm going to look it in the eye, I'm going to do these push ups.

Well, it's interesting there are no female stoics, I mean, in history. Yeah. And I don't know if it was a dude's club or whatever, but it's, women have a little more of an end around hack. Which works sometimes. I mean like when your wife is making your travel plans and she's cashing in on reward miles from a credit card that you guys canceled two weeks ago but you have one month grace period or something,

she's hacking it. She's maneuvering. But there's a system, I think she has a reward system in her brain that makes it a little more gratifying than it would be for me. Right, it's not the sale on clothing. Yes. It's not something I would ever think about.

Right. I will tell you something that women do routinely, Daphne, maybe, I don't know. You're like a good Christian. I'll tell you something women do that men have never done. Okay. And when I say, I don't know what the ratio is, but it's gotta be 10 to one to guys doing it,

and the 1% is gay. Buying a dress, wearing it to a vent, and returning it. I would never do that because it's immoral. And you're gaming the system. You can do it, but it's wrong to do. And I would hate it if I had a store and people did that to me. I would hate it and go out of business.

It's against the golden rule. It's against the golden rule. I've never done it, I would never do it. Now, it's a little different with a cocktail dress than it is with a suit, I guess, or a dress shirt or slacks or something, but guys are not incapable. Guys could buy themselves nice slacks and a blazer and then just return it the next day, the same way a woman could do with a dress, right? But I don't think guys engage in that. Do you engage in that? No. Well, that's a dumb question. You've never done that. But I wonder if...

I wouldn't think to do it and I wouldn't think you could do it and sometimes I'll hear women say it and I'll go, don't do it, don't do it. And they'll go, why not? It's perfectly fine. I go, it's just, it's wrong. Now I'm not a beacon of virtue or morality. I just don't have a work the system angle. But, and I'm curious, any guy in this building ever bought like a blazer and then returned it? Cause it's also maybe a younger person thing. I'm wondering if my wife has ever done that

for me or something. I don't think my wife has ever done that for me or something. I don't think so. Well, because she does the thing though. Whoops. Sorry about your wife telling me stop talking shit. I know she's doing that. She does the thing that word which is another thing I can't do which is another sort of systems thing. Well, she'll go order a bunch of shit online. Try it all on and just throw it back in the box and send it. I couldn't do that. I don't know why. I should be able to. I should.

But yeah, so, so here's Women have created a new company called Rent the Runway where you rent dresses. They gamed that system. Also, I don't know, is that a gaming of the of the system real real is another sort of version of it But it's not really gaming. It's alright, but okay. Here's here. Can I say that yeah? What am I talking about? Hmm? All right what I'm I'm talking about is a Way, I'm talking about weight watchers dietetic fudge If you want to lose weight, there's no more fudge for you. Yeah but this is this is sweet with monk fruit. Yeah you're eating you're eating

now you're eating chemical fudge. Yeah. It's not gonna work. You gotta fucking just deprive yourself and do some push-ups. Do shit you don't want to do. Yeah. Is what I'm saying. Okay that's basically gone. We don't have that anymore. And that's, now, it could be religion is part of that. But working in a bygone era is a part of that. Yeah. You know, you got to get up, you got to catch the bus. Yeah, yeah. You sit on the bus for an hour, then you clean this lady's house for eight hours,

and you get back on the bus. That keeps you good. It keeps you grounded. It like keeps you settled. You know, it's interesting. Or going to a factory or going to a church or whatever. All these things. Now, now take your shot of Ozempic.

It's going to fuck us up. We don't realize it's going to fuck us up. I know it's going to fuck us up. It's going to fuck us up like Purell fucked us up. Purell fucked up everyone's gut and they didn't know what they were doing. A friend of mine just texted me strangely before the show started and he's a recovering drug addict. He was a criminal drug trafficker, was in prison multiple times, got his shit together, became a nurse and oh my God, the guy's like an amazing human being. And now

he's serving homeless people and he's running, ran a hospital he's a director of nursing of a place and he just ties to me for some reason out of the blue and went oh my god people are so funny calls he calls the non drug addict world well I'm not gonna get into it because he'll be identified then but he has a way of talking about being in the working world now that's so different than the world of drug addiction and criminality that he was into. And he goes, but I just met this couple this morning, and they're both on welfare. They're both quite capable of working. He won't take a job unless

it's a supervisory role, and she won't take less than $25 an hour. And now they're on welfare. Yeah. It's sick. Well, look, it's all dogs on an airplane. We opened the door. We told them. I mean, I just think how did Jackie Gleason go to work every day as a bus driver as Ralph Cramden, you know what I mean? They lived in an apartment in New York City. He went and he got on his uniform and drove a bus every day. You know what I mean? Like, that's not a fun thing. bus every day. You know what I mean? Like, that's not a fun thing. But Americans, we just did that.

You worked. You worked. You just did it. Yeah, but you worked and you didn't look for hacks and end-arounds. Every single thing's a pill, a shot, an end-around, a hack, drink this, do that, whatever it is. That's the, I think, okay, so now this is getting back. That's the beginning of the end. Well, it's also misery. Ordinary misery has to be avoided at all costs. And part of avoiding the ordinary misery is even avoiding that we're biological, or that we're going to die, or we can get sick. It's all avoided. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Can't do with that. Ordinary

misery, man. And how do we get resiliency except by leaning into things that are miserable? I've been preaching about... Nothing but preaching about this for the last 25 years. No one will listen to me. But how does that dovetail into spirituality, though? spirituality though. So that's... Spirituality took the place of a lot of this stuff, or it assisted with a lot of it. It was just an important part. Spirituality helped as a stopgap measure when those couldn't create this internally and in themselves. So you're thinking about sort of a sense of a kingdom of God and that kind of thing, right?

A religious thing. Yeah. I mean, it just... I don't know why it's necessary. Honestly, it wouldn't be... I told you that I once spoke to Dennis... I was doing something with Dennis Prager, I've told you this before, but the Dennis Prager thing, and Dennis is very religious, and I'm not a religious person. And somebody asked him a question, why are you and Adam such great friends if he's basically an atheist and you're so spiritual and he just said, well, Adam doesn't need it. Which is, I don't need it. I'm not going to buy a dress, wear it, and then return it. But it's not anything to do with religion. I don't need it because I don't engage. I would never spit my gum

out in the sidewalk or do anything like that. I'm not inherently nice. Society doesn't need me to be religious. I'll pay my taxes and not commit any crimes. Religious, I agree, but spiritual can have other components to it, just sort of like getting out of your own head or awe associated with nature or just the experience of being close to another human being. I mean, this is sort of where, and for some reason, we're not doing any of that. I don't know, maybe it's the self-esteem or the narcissism or something, and they're just like getting in the way of it. Listen, everybody is... Or the phones, maybe. Look, here's what it is. Let me tell you. Tell me.

Everybody has a bunch of stuff in them that is wrong. Built in. You mean, but aggression and just being a human being. Yes. Yeah. It's all just wrong. It's built in. Yeah. And it's, you know, you find a wallet on the ground, on the sidewalk, you pick it up, you see there's some cash in it. Then you see that there's an ID, and okay, you could probably find this person because their information is on their ID. Then you think, oh, but there's 70 bucks cash here. It's kind of like that.

And then a lot of people do that move where they go, well, look, 70 bucks isn't a lot to lose. I bet this person's happy they're going to get their credit cards and their ID. And I mean, we all know that's 70 bucks, small price to pay for that. So then they start making deals with themselves, with their weaker self. They start bargaining with their weaker self that is missing and lacking character. So some people would take that money out. Some people would take the money and throw it in the wallet in the garbage can,

which a lot of people would do. Others would take it as it is and return it to the address. OK, so there's a thing. But all of us, when we open that wallet and see the cash, our first impulse is I want this cash. Then other factors start to sort of enter the equation. Who is this guy? Oh, it's a woman.

Oh, she looks, oh, she looks elderly. And I bet this is a lot of money to her. You know, whatever that is. Or it's a picture of a guy wearing a MAGA hat, first license. I don't know if they let you do that. But I'm saying, probably get you out of a few tickets, because cops, you know. But the point is this, we started creating

all these sort of checks and balances to take the person's human nature that wanted to take the 70 bucks out and throw the wallet in the trash can. We put a whole bunch of shit in place. Golden rules, religion, parenting, society, coaching, mentorship, discussions. Church. Well, that's what I'm saying. Community. Lots of discussions about character. See, we used to say, you have to have character.

Now we have Joe Biden going, they need to treat you with dignity, which is not you having character, it's them treating you with dignity. See, it's all this, you got to come to me with respect, you have to treat me with dignity, I need a place. So we switched it to III. That's the narcissism. Yes, that's it. So all roads lead to narcissism, and that's what happened.

Now, parents like me would try to instill some discipline and things like that, especially into my son, but I would get shouted down by my ex-wife and whatever the female version was in the room. You know what I mean? The best sort of documentation of that is when you got him to dive in the cold pool. Elanette just freaks out. Right. Yes. I said on days I do comedy for free, you jump in the pool. I jump in the pool every day to Sonny because I was trying to build some of that. He did it. It was fine. I mean, it was not comfortable for him, I'm sure.

No, but he knew he had an ally in her and he knew, listen, he doesn't want to jump in the pool and Daphne doesn't want to pay for the cocktail dress. Not that you would ever do that. Daphne's type. Her ilk. I would never. Have you ever done that? I don't think so. I get too guilty. I like think about it because there is like that slight part of me that's like I only wore it once. I could just return it but then I feel too guilty. But you're conservative and religious right? That is accurate. That's what stopped you. Yes. That's what stopped you because the non-conservatives and the non-religious don't think twice about it.

Right. That's right. Well, and there's a piece to it, too, that you're not talking about, which I think you'll find interesting, because this actually happened to me when I was a second-year medical student. I got a coffee, put my wallet on the roof of my car, and drove off onto the Pasadena freeway. And this dude called, I was like, it was a big deal for me. It was like, oh, how am I gonna, maybe I was a third year because I had no time to go

replace the credit. It was just a huge deal. Fast forward three hours, dude calls me. He goes, hey man, I just unwrapped the Pasadena freeway. You must have left your wallet on the roof or something. I wonder if you want to come get it. I couldn't believe it. I did not... It gives you... The point is... Anyway, it's just some guy downtown who's like a stockbroker or something, a nice guy in the world. He was like my age now, and he changed me by doing that gave you gives you faith in other people it makes you want to pass it on to be the same I mean there's there's layers to being that way Yeah, and there's a negative side of it to the other side of coin Which is you can go down that fucking drain with those people in the negative that side. Yes, so it's not I'll tell you what, take a quick break. I'll

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It's not that they're not people like him out there, just like they're always criminals. It's a ratio situation, you know, and those guys are dwindling because of the lack of faith that you're talking about, religion. And then what I'm talking about is character and a male presence instilling character. I couldn't instill the kind of character that I wanted to instill. I wanted to do the cold water dunk to try to weave a little character in there. My ex doesn't have character, so she didn't want me to do that. She didn't understand what it was.

I don't think. I mean, I think she didn't like me, but she didn't have thoughts about it. I did. Or she thought I was just trying to be cruel or something, which is another weird misinterpretation. Yeah, I'm this bad. I want my son to suffer. He needed a challenge, you know what I mean? He needed something to overcome, a little discomfort. Whatever you call it. What do you call it? Everyday discomfort or something? Ordinary misery. Ordinary misery. A little ordinary misery. There's nothing like it.

There's nothing like it. And it's, you know, it's, it's, what was it? Nietzsche, that which does not kill me makes me stronger. Yeah. Ord ordinary misery. Bring a little in your life, people. But I feel like, you know, of course, I see a lot of people making a lot of spirituality and its importance in their recovery from addictions, right? Yeah.

And man, I'm seeing a lot of behavior addictions now, and that is spiritual vacuum, when people get into gambling and porn and... They really go into like empty spaces. And the spiritual connection with something higher than themselves seems to be essential to pulling them out of it. But what I want to say is, and I think Daphne called it, here, a little note here, secular disillusionment, which is kind of interesting, which is I feel like the religious right went so far with their, back in the 80s and 90s, you know, telling you how to live your life, that people got disgusted

with all that. And by the way, and sort of the, you know, the Jim Baker and those guys, they ended up being assholes lies people anyway But do you watch the righteous gemstones by the way? You know the answer to this true No, I Watch no episodic anything you have ever spoken about in 25 years. I don't watch episodic TV. I only want admin never I

Don't watch any of it. I only watch. Mad Men? Never. I don't watch any of it. I only watch. That's your spiritual vacuums. Bad shows or like I watch like news or MMA shows or documentaries or something. I've never watched any. What about docu-series like a three-part or something? Oh yeah, yeah. but I would never watch, I never watch dramas. They have to be based on some historical something. Mad Men.

It's like, it's so, it's so, oh my God. You would relate to it so strongly. I know, it's a weird thing. I just never, I'm not into any of it, even though I know, I understand it's good. People go, you're watching White Lotus? I go, no, I'm not seeing any of that stuff. I can see no White Lotus here, but Mad Men, it's so much, I mean, I understand it's good. People go, you're watching White Lotus? I go, no, I'm not seeing any of that stuff.

I can see no White Lotus here, but Mad Men, it's so much, I mean, it's so accurate that he did, Matt did so much work on it, getting exactly the historical details right. All right, but never, you've never asked me if I was watching... I'm a period we're always talking about. You've never asked me if I've ever watched a series and I've said yes. I just didn't realize you were agnostic to all of them. But anyway, so they became a distrust in sort of organized religion and almost a disgust in it. What you're saying is, we didn't like the Tammy Faye Bakers and guys wearing pinky rings.

Well, it went there. It went all the way there. Yeah, it went there. And giving us a lecture about a man laying down with another man, and then you try to pick up some prostitute at an airport in Minnesota, you know? Like, we had enough of that. And that was the... The hypocrisy of it all. Right. Which fed right into our anti-social impulses. They got over their skis with it, and then we said we don't want anything to do with that,

and so it turned people off to religion. And I think that was a... I think that was... We've also gone too far with that, I think. I think people... Certainly, I see what happens with 12-step communities and stuff like that, but we could get something out of churches. Humans need that kind of thing. No, I listen... It'd be like you saying, oh, I saw these guys on TV wearing their muscle shirts trying to sell protein powder and I just got turned off to working out. You know what I mean?

It's like, well, you need to work out. Yeah, but these guys with their spray on tan and selling their equipment, like you got, I know, but you need to work out. You know what I mean? Now, why I got turned off to it? It's the telling- This guy's taking steroids and telling you to use the ab shaker, I'm turned off. Well, it's like, yeah, but you still need to work out, bitch. I know you're turned off

to it, but it's still good for you and important. Just don't follow him. Well, ultimately, I think that stuff is... But think about it. Ultimately, that stuff is about you're telling me how to live, man. And strangely, that's now what the left has become. It's so weird. It's so odd. No, I know what they're getting burned on now, coincidentally enough, the secular version of that

is AOC and Bernie are traveling the country telling everyone about the oligarchy, but they got a bill for $211,000 worth of private jet flights. Oh, man. Oh, that seems a little like hypocrisy, doesn't it? So the... We were very sensitive to hypocrisy in our day. Right.

But what I'm saying is the preacher talking fire and brimstone but wearing a pinky ring and flying in a private jet feels like AOC and Bernie talking about these fat cat millionaires and climate change and you guys just spent over $200,000 on private jets. So something seems, yeah, it seems like hypocrisy. That's what I'm saying. And so people don't like it. And people go, is that really who you are? Now, I don't really get caught up in the private jet thing like a lot of people do,

but I also don't talk about oligarchies and climate change. If I was railing against rich people all day and when I wasn't railing against rich people, I was talking about climate change, then maybe I wouldn't fly privately. Maybe that would affect my decision making, even from an optics standpoint. So I guess to dovetail it into our conversation, would a spiritual program or connection with a church or something mitigate people's hypocritical impulses a little bit? It might. Well, look, you can either have intact families and a strong male model who is instilling discipline, or you can have Father Flanagan, but you can't have neither. You can't have a neutered dad or no dad, and then we've gotten rid of Father Flanagan. You got to have one or the other. It'd be

nice just to have the dad be the dad, but we've decided that the dad can't really do his job anymore because it's sort of toxic masculinity. So we're just going to neuter him and then the female will take over or there'll be two females or just one female and no dad or then the policy then we'll send them to a school with a bunch of 26 year old female teachers are hanging the gay flag and Explaining that they can't play flag football during lunch break or a recess, you know, I mean because too aggressive Yeah, so then we're gonna be fucked and that's where we are. I mean Well, we got there it took it's been going on for 25 years and now we're going to be fucked. And that's where we are. I mean, we're now, we got there.

It took, it's been going on for 25 years and now we're here. Those males are going to rebel, those young males. They're not going to put up with that. Some will, some have already transitioned. Most. That's not the way they rebel? No, they've already, they bought in, they're not rebelling. They transitioned, they became women.

That's what I'm saying, that's gonna be their version. No, the others are rebelling. I see. Yeah, that's all right. I see you're one with the other. So it's back to your safe spaces and octagons. Yeah. Historically trying to destroy masculinity

is going to prove to be a very costly mistake. Has it happened before? No, I don't think it's ever happened before. We were there. If Kamala Harris got elected, we would have spent the next four years just completely destroying masculinity and ruined everything. I don't know if we could've gotten it back. You know what I mean? Like we could do, California is like someone saying,

well what if Gavin Newsom was governor for the next 10 years? Be like, oh okay, well then we won't be able to be repaired. But we'd move, you know? And then guess what, eventually some occupying force would sweep in, you know what I mean? Eventually. So that's humanity. Oh Right. I mean bellflower, California doing stand-up at

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