The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2008 - Bodybuilders, Bias & the Battle for Longevity

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Adam and Dr. Drew are joined by champion bodybuilder Philip Ricardo Jr. to discuss the world of natural bodybuilding, the role of creatine, and the strict discipline of pre-competition dieting. Philip shares insights on aging as a natural athlete, the realities of maintaining muscle mass over time, and practical tips for everyday people looking to stay strong and fit as they age. The conversation turns to the science of finding your optimal weight and the key factors that contribute to long-term health and longevity.Later, Adam and Dr. Drew react to Scott Pelley’s recent commencement speech, unpacking its broader cultural messages. They explore the growing trend of vilifying young white men, how Asian voters are shifting politically, and what it all means for the future of the Democratic party.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. Get it on. Dr. Drew over there is board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. Philip Ricardo is joining us.

He is a junior by the way, Philip Ricardo Jr. Four time natural Olympia champion, bodybuilder, and natural bodybuilder. And was on my screen, but now isn't on my screen, but he's somewhere. So we'll hopefully get to talk to him about training and bodybuilding and a drug-free lifestyle as it pertains to training and bodybuilding. Drew, you can see if a guy's on steroids or not, basically.

Pretty quickly, yeah. Pretty quickly. Pretty instantly, yeah. With some exceptions. Some people have some. Remember that guy, Mike? What was his name? Herd or something? He was like one of the American gladiators. O'Hern? O'Hern? O'Hern. Yeah. Did he ever end up turning out being on steroids? He always looked like he was. Well, that's one of the big mysteries. As a matter of fact, I was on the film generation

Iron with him, Nati for life. And that was kind of like the big thing that they were talking about is he really natural? He claims to be natural. He's always been on, you know, the natural federations, you know, the one that I compete in with the natural Olympic, even the natural universe.

But he hasn't competed since, he's obviously gotten a lot bigger. But he supports the federation. He hasn't been tested. So it's one of those kinds of mysteries. But during that film, they mentioned, you know, he doesn't look like he's natural. Um, but if somebody was going to be natural, it would be when we get to work, work ethic. So, you know, but it's sort of the exception proves the rule. I mean, look at that guy, you go, well, steroids boom immediately. And well, I, I, I look And I look at Philip, I go, hey, that's God's work here. But it could be steroids.

If I were looked like that, it'd be steroids. But I can accept that Philip is a natural bodybuilder. Yeah, so for you, and I don't even know what is the difference when you see a natural bodybuilding competition versus steroids or no nothing's off the tables. Is it pretty much size? Is it pretty much just the size? Vascularity too. Oh, vascularity too. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. It's mainly size. There's only so much

size that you can put on as a natural bodybuilder. You know, you can have a generic, like a genetic code where you can only get so big. And when you see the non-natural or the enhanced bodybuilders, one, they can work out much longer than we can recover. And so you'll see the average size for those guys are like five to nine, seven on stage, about 260. The average natural bodybuilder is about five, nine, between 180 and 200 at most. And that's what I compete in. So if you see me in real life, you would not be able to tell that I'm a bodybuilder

until you see me on stage. And you know what else? I watched a documentary, it must've been, was it Arnold's documentary or something? And Frank Zane was interviewed in that. And Frank Zane was insane when he was a young man. And he looked like, I mean, he looked like an average 58 year old dude in the interview. Not great. Not like in Cradle, not Philip, you know what I'm saying? And I thought two things when I saw that. I thought, wow, it must be hard to go from Frank

Zane to Frank Zane, the older gentleman, right? That must have been like, Whoa, how do you even deal with that? And secondly, oh, it's evidence that you can't you hurt yourself doing that stuff. You can't really keep it up either. Well, what are the supplements one should take and would take if they were doing it naturally, that you would take versus, I mean, obviously you're not taking steroids, but supplements can still, you can still benefit from supplements. Certain ones already been on the road. Right.

For sure. Yeah. So the federation that I compete in or most of them that are supposedly drug free, you have to um, standards, which is the o the ILC standards. So anyt of the endless, you can't a lot of, you know, fat b obviously steroids and yo

peptides, things like tha you can take things like monohydrate, which is like the most studied, you know, FDA regulated supplement you can take because it's something that our bodies naturally produce. You can take a branch chain amino acids, you can take caffeine. There's a lot of supplements in your right.

Supplements are definitely the key. If you wanna have at least a little extra edge as a natural body builder to, you know, continue to train hard, especially as you get older. And a lot of benefits of PNG monohydrate. I've taken it ever since I was like my mid twenties and it's still to this day on the best supplements you can ever take. I take it sometimes twice a day, but when like, you know, it isn't even good for your brain. It's been studies for Alzheimer's and cognizant. So it's definitely the one I would stick with,

you know, your protein powders and everything else. But if you can eat regular food, that's the best way to go. I'm sorry, but what was the supplement, because your phone sort of broke up a little. What is the supplement you just spoke of? Creatine, creatine. Oh, creatine. Creatine monohydrate, yeah.

Creatine. So creatine, yeah. The question is how much? There's a little controversy around that and how frequently and that kind of thing. What do you do? Yeah. So for me, I take 10 grams a day. Yeah. And there's sometimes I throw love to 5 grams, but there's studies that say you can even do 20, but you don't want to do that for long term. Yeah. So depending, like if you're a female, where it's five grams is enough. If you're a decent size male bodybuilder between 200 pounds or above,

10 grams is probably what you need. Especially if you're not eating a lot of these. There's some unique in that. Do you take it all at once? No, I take five grams before workout, five grams after workout. It's a little much to take all at once. And what do you eat going into a competition?

I mean like sort of day before. Do you try to sort of dry out and get rid of all the water, weight, is there a carb versus a protein thing? How does that work? Yeah, that's a good one. There's so many different protocols for bodybuilders when it comes to like peaking to make sure

you're like at your absolute best when you step on stage. Because obviously you're not seeing everyone walking around with like 3% body fat, dry, vascular things popping out. So usually that last week is the most important. Cut down your carbohydrates, really deplete your body to where, out. Um, so usually that most important cut down y really depletes your body don't have any glycogen,

state of just, um, you kn depleted. And then some p water. I don't think that gonna have flat muscles. I just change it toified water and it g out of your body. Then us friday, depending on how and certain individuals,

carbohydrates, um, you w them back in to fill your body is already super ti got your skin super thin. the carbs into your body out and then all out. And then all the muscles kind of just, you know, they explode, they pop out, they have more light to them. And then by the time you step on stage, you're trying to time it so that that Saturday when the show is, you're at your best and you're looking full, you're not looking depleted, your muscles will pop, everything will, you know, veins will pop out.

Yeah, you know, glycogenetic people are most, that's where your glucose stores are. Most people are aware that it's in your liver, but it's also in your muscles. And when you refuel, when you refeed them, the muscles swell, and that's what you're talking about. Exactly. And so, but most people are not bodybuilders. So let's kind of talk about the average person.

And I want one of the things that you're getting into the, you know, six and seven decades of life and stuff. What are you, are you adjusting or you notice anything associated with the aging process? Big time. That is, especially as a natural body. It's, it's, it's depressing. No shit. it's, it's, it's, it's depressing. I think when I hit 50, yeah, things went downhill. It's like that magic number because my last major victory was 2019. I was 48 years old.

That's when I was on the generation iron documentary. And as at 48 years old, I was one of the oldest guys to win the natural Limpia and I won the master division and the open edition. And I felt like I was invincible. Like no matter how old I get, I can still win. But when I hit 50, I started having aches and pains, medical things in my body just didn't react to head skin, you know, droopy skin in places that I didn't have it before. And so it's a lot harder to maintain that muscle fullness, this tight skin, things to start, you know, second. Let me ask you a question that I've been kind of struggling with lately. I lost a bunch of weight. I was down about 20 pounds from where I am now. Just I was on a program and I thought, okay,

you know, I'm gonna try this. And my strength went way down and I lost a lot of them. I couldn't maintain the muscle mass. I couldn't do it. And I let my weight drift back up again. I thought, wow, it really begs that interesting question for... The goal in aging, Adam, is to prevent muscle loss called psychopedia. And if you diet too strictly, you're going to just the way our bodies are set up as we age, you're going to certain particularly, I mean, maybe not Philip as much as me, right. But most people are going to lose a lot of muscle if you restrict calories. It begs the question, how do you decide where your optimal weight is as you age? I haven't figured

that out yet. Yeah, I mean, there is really no optimal weight. I mean, you have to really know your body. I think it's consistency is the key. If you wanna maintain muscle mass, you have to continue to train in the gym, be consistent. You're obviously not gonna be as strong as you're used to, so you have to kind of adjust.

Sometimes this volume is very key when you get older to where instead of lifting heavy weights, you try to go heavy without hurting yourself. And then you do some drop sets so that you're going lighter weight, but you're really fatiguing the muscle. And that is the way to trick your body. You know, I'm sure you've even seen on like pumping iron or some of the other documentaries where they say your body really doesn't know how heavy a weight is. It's more of a psychological thing. So if you're taking 30 pounds and you're making it, you're going time under tension,

negatives and everything else, then you're tricking your body to feeling like, oh, I'm actually getting stimulated. It's not 300 pound fences your squats, but you're still putting that weight on there and you're moving in the way that it feels heavy. So you just kind of trick your body, listen to your body because there's gonna be times you're so you're super tired. You don't want to go in there trying to the heavy weight, you

might have to just go lighter weight and stimulate that muscle. But the key is to do something, keep on moving, keep working out. That's right. And then I think I think know your body is kind of an it's kind of sounds like a just so recommendation, I think it's kind of interesting and that. And then I think I think know your body's kind of it's kind of sounds like a just so recommendation. I think it's kind of interesting in that, like, I'm never going to look like Phillips, never going to happen. And by the same token, I don't want to be depleted the way I was when I was way down. So it's kind of like, and I know right now I'm too high.

I just know that I thought, oh, the Phillips right. I know what my zone ought to be. I had to pay attention to that. Yeah. For me, I always tell people, you have to do the workout that you will do every day. And people make these proclamations about I'm going to do this, I'm going to join that group or something., and then just peter out with it. And there's just stuff you will do. And then there's stuff that, some people just, genetically, they hate working out. Like Drew likes working out.

I love it. Which is the greatest gift of all time. Because most, there's a range. There are people that just hate working out I know I have patients that claim it's so painful they can't do it right and then you kind of wonder though is that limited to working out or is it a global thing with them because it feels global to me like they hate everything everything they don't have any tolerance for pain.

Yeah, that's true. I have a high tolerance for pain and used to work out really hard when I played football and then I just got lazy. Literally, I walk around half the day going, God, you're such a pussy now. You're such a pussy. And I used to. I do. I have my mantra in my head is because I

used to run the bleachers hard, you know, and did every array in the track with that. You're fine. I realized there's stuff I'll do and stuff I won't do. And what I will do is I will put on a 20 or 25 pound weighted vest and I will hike in the hills for an hour. And I go, that's what I'll do. And then will I go do this other thing?

And the answer is no. Start rucking. Add the ruck to it. What's the ruck? See it's a backpack kind of thing. Yeah, but here's the thing. It's 20 pounds and I'll walk up hills. Yeah.

And if you made it 30 pounds, I would do it, but I might miss a few days. That's the whole thing. You're a pussy. Once it gets to 50 pounds, then I'm not doing it. And then so you know, I have to do it. You know what I mean? So I want to I want to shift over to something that I was sort of tilting at by talking about sarcopenia. So you're talking

about, we've been talking about supplements for optimal performance and muscle, you know, growth and mass and appearance and whatnot. But there's a new area that I'm very interested in, I would just put it under the heading of longevity, that there are supplements that I'm convinced they really can affect the aging process. A, do they allow you to take any stuff like that in the world you live in, Philip?

And B, have you given any thought to that? Yeah, there's, like I said, it really depends on some of the federations that you compete in. The one I compete in, which is the International Natural Bodybuilding Federation with the INDA, they're very strict to the water testing.

And so most of those are not there, but there is a certain level of testosterone boost. They're natural, and you're taking things like fenugreek or other things that are known to increase testosterone naturally, you are all good to take that stuff. There's other federations that allow a certain amount of TRT, testosterone therapy, but the one that I do, I can't do that. So I do my best to take natural testosterone boosters. I take vitamins that I know are supposedly good for maintaining muscle and testosterone, you know, like magnesium,

the different types of magnesium, um, you know, B three, you know, like just by vitamins, you can get a lot of that. Um, but yeah, there are certain things you can take. You can take peptides and sometimes there's certain amounts of things you can take or longevity that you can continue to try. And to be honest with you, I'm 53 now, turn 54 in a couple of months. I still compete. Not at the same level I used to be, but there are guys that compete in the federation that I compete in, in their late 50s and 60s. And they're still following the same type of, know regimen when it comes to supplementation in foods and they're still doing extremely well and are very muscular at their age you know late 50s mid 60s those things.

Let me give you a plug Philip because people can go to your Instagram at Ricardo's dash legend. Did I get that right? Underscore. Underscore, sorry. I said underscore. Underscore. With an S, Ricardo's. Ricardo's underscore legend. Thanks for joining us, Philip. It was fun getting to know you.

Thank you, sir. It was fun getting to know you guys too. Thank you so much for having me. Sure, man. Our pleasure. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back right after this. I am wearing my perfect jean right now.

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I love it. Feel the free Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never. I just want to finish the longevity conversation real quick. I mean, loss of muscle mass is your enemy in longevity. Sarcopenia. So you want to maintain resistance training. That's kind of what we were talking about. But I'm actually coming up with some products because I'm so I've taken these things my most of my adult life. Well, no, since I was in my 40s. nicotinamide riboside, I'm a huge fan of that. And you got to get the real stuff. PQQ helps maintain nicotinamide. The

enemy of aging is oxidative stress, oxidation. Just think about how a bar of metal oxidizes and breaks down. Your cells do the same thing. It's a different thing, but same thing's happening. Fisetin clears things out. Resveratrol, right now not only does that help with glutathione and oxidation, natural killer cells have been knocked out by COVID and the vaccine. It seems to boost natural killer function. So these are things I'm thinking about these days. So well, you got to make me a list. I'll show you some products. I'm developing a man I am very hot on this stuff. I've been taking the particular NR I've been

taking for a long time. Is there resveratrol in wine? It is in wine. Yeah. Yeah. Red, I'm guessing. Yeah, keep drinking it. Yeah All right I was we're gonna we're talking the other show about that Scott Pelly thing. Yeah, which I'm well, there's a couple things. Yeah The fact that these commencement addresses have been Hijacked by nut jobs is that the sort of crazy part to me. And by the way, commencement or concerts. You know what I mean?

We just had Tim Walz up there screaming about, I don't know what, to the Minnesota school. And Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, Tim Walz was yelling about, that's the same shit Scott Pelley yells about, the same thing that Bruce Springsteen yells about. It never happens. It happens, it's like the exact same people that were telling you COVID was a killer are all alive and those exact same people are now saying that Trump is going to round up journalists who disagree

and put them into gulags, but nothing ever happens. And if something ever did happen, then you would shut your cowardly face. You would not grab a microphone and take to the stage. People, when shit, no one ever, none of these people holds up a picture of Allah that they drew backstage because shit does happen. Charlie Hedbrough does happen. If you fuck with Muslims, then they will kill you. Okay.

So nobody really that keeps it to a minimum. And by the way, I love Scott Paley's prescription was freedom of speech is under attack. Where's he been for the last four years? When speech was actually systematically attacked. What is he talking about? I it is it is kind of upside down world which is freedom of speech and and now you have oh god you have the new prime minister Canada setting the table too like oh there's this hate speech platforms and we're gonna we're not gonna tolerate No, you're not gonna tolerate people who disagree with you about shit like COVID. That's what you're not gonna tolerate. And you want some sort of ministry of truth and then misinformation and disinformation. Every single thing you guys reported on on COVID was miss and disinformation, all of it. Everything Joe Rogan said was factually true.

So where are we at with the mis-info or the dis-info? And then now, because of this, you would like to be in charge of information? That doesn't make sense to me. Everything Rochelle Walensky said was incorrect about COVID and everything Adam Karola said was correct about COVID. So who's the dangerous, well, dangerous if you're trying to run everything, I guess,

but not dangerous in terms of actual information. All right, but here's Scott, it's great. In this moment, this moment, this morning, our sacred rule of law is under attack. Really? Journalism is under attack. Universities are under attack.

Hold on. Let me explain something. If you try to lawfare candidate Trump into essentially incarcerating him so he can't run against your addled decrepit guy who you're covering for and so Letitia James brings up a whole bunch of procedural stuff about documents or what Mayor Lago's worth or loan these loan documents that the loan company didn't have a problem with but you have a problem if you do all of that in your attempt to essentially

imprison a Political rival so that you can get your ill and decrepit guy across the finish line If then that guy wins the election, the guy you tried to jail, and then looks into Letitia James, and it turns out she was misrepresenting documents that had to do with purchases of buildings, that's just turnabout. That's not weaponizing the law.

Not only that, I know the guys in the Justice Department, like Harmeet Dhillon, they're somebody who's not into the rule the law. Not only that, I know the guys the Justice Department like Harmeet Dhillon. There's somebody who's not into the the rule of law. Right. Totally all about it has always been. But that's not. More than anybody on the other side. That's not weaponizing the justice system. No. That's and or if Letitia James did none of this, then the paperwork will back her up. We got Leo Terrell running around going, we're going to take care of this anti-Semitism thing. They can't do that. Is that undermining the rule of law? It's weaponizing the rule of law.

All right, go ahead. Sorry. Are under attack. Freedom of speech is under attack. And insidious fear is reaching through our schools, our businesses, our homes, and into our private thoughts. Wow, he's just like he's like, he's not a fear to speak. I didn't realize he's an actor. He's not even a journey. Yes. like he's like he's not a fear to speak. I didn't realize he's an actor. He's not even a journalist. In America.

The freedom. Hold on. Is he speaking? What is he doing? He's acting. He's doing a monologue. He's doing like a soliloquy. This is Shakespeare. This is our town. Yeah, it's our town. Yes. First up, you are telling us we don't have the freedom to speak, while you just stand in front of some sort of liberal crowd and spout off bullshit for an hour and then go home. Why is this not? Maybe it's that the 60 Minutes is losing its ratings

and that's why they're under attack. I don't know. All right, well, keep going. It's pretty good. The market is attacking them. False narratives. They can make criminals heroes. All right They can make criminals heroes and heroes criminals what power can change the

Definition of the words we use to describe reality. Oh my god. He's describing everything that was happening I know before now described as illegal equity is to be shunned Inclusion is a dirty word This is an old playbook my friends, I like the old playbook there's nothing new in this In this moment. Yeah, he's an actor. I guess he's not a journalist yeah i didn't realize he should they should bring up some examples when they talk this way they never bring up any examples that's uh it's oh yeah and also you're kind of like whether it's him or bruce or whoever the sort of crazy broad is you're like how old are you? This is something.

It's so funny. It's weird. It's weird. They're taking it to the grave. We brought De Niro last time. Did I tell you the Rob Schneider story about De Niro City? Yes. Did I tell it here? Yes. Okay. So I thought that was a good story. Other thing is Jake Tapper is going around now saying... So the left-leaning party wants to now do a study on how to reach men.

They want to spend tens of millions of dollars on how to adjust and nuance our language so we reach men. And Tapper, the other, just yesterday was in an interview where he went, my son's 15, he wants to be a policeman. He would discuss it online. And he was crushed by people his age, and I defended him and then I was crushed he goes Why do you think people are not voting for you fuckers? Just this guy this white male wants to be a cop He's necessarily racist because he wants to be a cop. That's it You and it really is the vilifying of certain people that people are tired of Yes, and tired of it vilifying cops still find young white men that they don't understand that that's what people are tired of. Yes. And tired of vilifying cops, vilifying young white men,

that they don't understand that that's what people are tired of? Well, also- Vilifying Asians, vilifying- Stuff has to come out the other end at some point. You can't keep talking about white supremacy being the biggest problem ever, and then you pick up your phone

and there's just some 14-year-old black kid beating the shit out of a red hair kid. Like you can't just keep saying the same thing, and something needs to come out the other end, eventually. With evidence wise, you mean? You have to see the white supremacy. Yeah, you live in California, you hear about killer bees coming in from Texas,

you know, since 1981, and eventually people stop listening. listening, because it just they don't see it. They don't know anybody who's been killed by killer bees coming in from Texas, you know, but they they try to work it. And they also try to sort of shape January 9 with them. Sorry, six with just them just trying to bend. Well, they got so used to you. Yeah, the guy used used to being able to create... Yeah, they got used to being able to bend. The great book called Cynical Theories, Bill Ma recommended, I'm reading it a second time now.

This whole world of theory is a complete misapplication of a scientific concept theory. And their theory idea is that anything subjective or political can be rendered into a theory. And then that becomes narrative. And that's just fantasy. It's just false. It's just nothing. It's not connected to reality. And reality has a way of asserting itself eventually. It just does. Yes. So you tried for a long time to create something that really didn't exist and people caught on and I would argue here's the you know here's kind of the thing you know guys would do a lot of like in the past they'll go like well I'm gonna get a fake Rolex and I'm gonna I'm gonna

borrow my friend's cool car and go on a date and whatever. And we'll try to impress or convince that I am this and then I'll come in wearing a gold chain and talk about my stock portfolio. And it's like at a certain point, why don't you just do that stuff and then people will be attracted to you. It stopped trying.

Their brain is always like, how do we fool people into voting for us? And what Gavin Newsom's now, he's tough on crime, he's gonna clean up this homeless problem, and he's gonna lower taxes or whatever, he wants a border stout or whatever. How about you just do the stuff and then you won't have to try to fool everyone.

You could either work at McDonald's or not work at McDonald's, but your plan is to tell people I worked at McDonald's to stuff where you never worked at McDonald's. Talk about working at McDonald's again. Talk, talk, talk, talk. You're just going to talk about being a regular person. You know what I mean? We're going to take Tim Walz and we're going to

we're going gonna shoot him working on his international harvester. He's gotta gap the plugs, but he doesn't. You know what I mean? Like he isn't that person. So go ahead and just be that person. I'm guessing that used to work before social media and stuff.

They used to do some of that. I mean look, Hollywood was all about creating an image of somebody. I'm just gonna go to the black church and talk about being down with the program and white supremacy and stuff, and then I'll just go back into my fortress, behind my gates and not deal with black people.

I don't know, but you can actually do stuff if you wanted, and then we would notice. You could clean up the homeless problem, but instead you're outraged about it and something needs to be done. But what I'm saying is this, the mindset of I'm going to fool people into thinking I'm a regular person and they should vote for me is not the right mindset. The mindset is be that person and then people might vote for you.

By the way, the mayor of Amsterdam, which cleaned up the most seriously drug-addled, homeless-infested city on earth, cleaned it up, came to visit California to tell him how he did it, and he was sent away packing as not worth listening to. Why don't they bring him back if he's really serious? That would let me know that maybe, oh, oh, okay, you are moving in the right direction. Somebody who's actually done something, you're going to actually fucking listen to them well now now Speaking of newsom is talking about they're doing drugs, you know what oh he's talking about the

Whatever he's talking about drugs. Yes. Yes 12 years ago. I told you that's what oh it told you I haven't seen that for all right. That's my patience. Well, it's only drug acts. Yeah, well, it's about 10% serious mental illness. Oh, no. I said mental and drugs and he fought me. So okay. He's not serious about it. Well, explain you know what, I might listen to him if he would explain to me what was happening in this studio when he fought you on it. Explain it to me. What was that? And why have you had a why have you had a transformation in your thinking? Explain that to me, what was that? And why have you had a transformation in your thinking?

Explain that to me, because otherwise I don't trust it. Right, right, I used to think this way. Their mind is poisoned. Our mayor thinks it's income inequality that causes homelessness. Does she still think that? She said it out loud at a Democratic convention convention, you know, like two years ago, but they kind of buried the tape.

But also one could say, well, she's just saying it because she's at this Democratic convention. But then one would ask, well, then why? Why do they think that? Why are they plotting that? Why do they think that's what causes homelessness? And or feel free to say something unpopular in front of a group if that group is wrong. Sure. Just stay with reality. It's

all right. Yes. The nightmare of Amsterdam, Merrick Milan, who worked to balance nightlife and resident needs visited Los Angeles to discuss the potential for similar initiatives in the city according to NPR and Billboard magazine. All right you can go to Amcroll.com I'm gonna be in Tacoma doing a couple of shows on this Friday, Saturday, and then off to Spokane doing a couple of shows on Sunday and I'm gonna and then off to Spokane doing a couple of shows on Sunday. And I'm gonna be in Salt Lake City. That'll be coming up on the 13th and the 14th of June.

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