The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2030 - Dancers and Laughers

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

On this episode of The Adam and Dr. Drew Show, Dr. Drew kicks things off by reacting to James Comey’s bizarre new video professing his love for Taylor Swift, sparking a conversation about how everyone seems to be campaigning for public approval these days. Adam points out the unsettling trend of old TV personalities like Ellen and Bill Cosby, who were always dancing and performing for the cameras, later being exposed as deeply flawed individuals, and he compares that same off-putting behavior to politicians like Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton with their awkward laughter. Dr. Drew dives into how cognitive dissonance has warped people’s ability to think clearly, while the guys also revisit an old Loveline clip of Jewel singing live, leading to a discussion on how unreliable our memories can be compared to what actually happened.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's such and the specialist and such. It's going on there, Drewski. And such, I like that. I don't know if you saw the Comey video, which frankly looked like a hostage video, where he was talking about his, since you was an, I don't know how to even summarize it. I couldn't watch the whole thing. It was so cringy. It was about an eight-minute video, something like that, maybe even 10, where he declares that he's a swift.

Oh, I heard it was even longer, but I did. Is it longer? I couldn't watch. Well, I can tell. Somebody just said 15-minute video, but they may have been nine minutes. You know, people sort of work that way. But the crazy, there was so many crazy elements in it. One was, I mean, he had heavy makeup, bright lighting, you know, coat and tie on.

And in my understanding is they're looking for spontaneity and authenticity and all these things in their messaging. This was so far from that. He was reading a prompter of this crazy. material where he goes on about how he listens to Taylor Swift all the time and he's a Swifty and she's so she's so courageous and moves on with her life when she gets attacked by Donald Trump I thought this is the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life well I you know I've really been thinking about this a lot you know and I have so many thoughts that all flood in But I realized, I was listening to Stern go on and on and on about where you sit in the Knicks game and who the celebrities are, the Knicks game.

And then this guy's sitting at the, where did all the Knicks fans come from? Because these guys aren't even from New York and stuff like that. And then I realized everything is a constant kind of a PR thing, you know. And I also realized I was thinking to myself, well, I just spent the entire weekend at a race, at a track where there was no celebrities and there was no anything. You don't get anything out of it, you know what I mean in terms of whatever. And then I started to realize, well, I guess everyone is sort of constantly campaigning for some sort of public image of themselves that is just like sort of a constant campaign. And I'm guessing that Comey feels like he may be in a certain amount of jeopardy. And he's in a PR campaign.

I mean, much like, you know, when Union Carbide gets caught polluting the river, they have to have some sort of, you know, some sort of campaign that shows a Union Carbide guy holding the hand of a young black boy and handing him a flower as they cross the bridge together. you know what I mean like we got to make up for this shit you know what I mean yeah yeah I'm telling everyone I don't feel like people have like fully tapped into this um there there are two people that danced and and on really pretty much in all the beginning of of TV in all the annals of TV the people that dance at the beginning of the show were Bill Cosby and Ellen yeah

Bill Cosby. Rosie did a fair amount of dancing at her variety show. She was in charge. She was the founding member of the Cutie Petootie Chub Club. She loved Tom Cruise, even though she's a super, super angry lesbian, but she loved Tom Cruise, you know?

That was her dream date, right? You don't even recognize that, Rosie. You don't even know who that person is compared to super bitter, angry and disturbed Rosie. It was all a facade. Ellen is a completely mean person who scares this shit out to everyone who works for her. And everyone has told me and I've experienced myself.

So why all the dancing? And as I've said about Bill Cosby, the dance that Bill Cosby does at the beginning of the Cosby show is the dance you would do if somebody said, I'm going to put a camera on you. Right. There is no dialogue. There's no microphone. There's just a camera. Yeah. You have 20 seconds to try to convince everyone who's watching, you're not a rapist.

Now go. That's what you would do. You wouldn't stand there with your arms crossed. Tapping your foot. You do what Bill Cosby did at the beginning of that show. Yeah. Okay. So what is going on?

Why when Kamala Harris? Kamala Harris laughing who's a bitch by all accounts to everyone who's worked for her and Hillary Clinton is a super bitch why can they not stop laughing when they go on a show

I mean insane I don't even know what Kamala Harris is laughing about half the time it's one thing to overreact a little bit to a joke you know you're in the audience of a sitcom and the audience warm up guy says really whoop it up you know

But she's laughing at stuff that I don't know is a joke. No, I know. The audience knows it. I mean, why is Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton insane? What's with the insane amounts of laughter? Are they that jovial of people? Do you think behind closed doors that's who they are at all? Or are they just mean bitches?

I mean, and they seem different, too. I mean, Harris seems like a nervous laughter. like it never stopped it's good going going going it's so hard to listen to but hillary it feels like it's a little off-putting it's like like a punctuation point right okay okay so okay so who's comie why is he talking about taylor swift because you don't want to why would you want to incarcerate a good guy like that exactly who stands up okay why why is he making a produced video he used to run the FBI and now he doesn't you're trying to convince somebody of what uh it's look if there were a 65 year old man that like taylor swift the young girls would not like

taylor swift you know what i know we have to look at some of the video first off i got to find out how long the video is but oh it's crazy why did he release it because he's on a campaign as you said clearly on a campaign, but I had a really interesting experience with K.T. McFarland was on Godfell when I was on last night, a couple nights ago. And I love that Drew has to catch himself. Yeah. And she worked in the first Trump campaign when Comey was at the beginning of the first Trump administration when Comey was the director of the FBI. And she said, and one of her jobs and say keep an eye on things and watch things. She's pretty smart woman. And she's like a crazy smart woman. And she said, Comey at the end of this meeting pulled Trump aside and said, hey, hey, you

know, I'm hearing that there's this dossier in Russia, which has some evidence of you doing some pretty crazy stuff. So she said he was looming over him. And then he said, you know, I just, I really want to stay director of the FBI. In other words, don't try to fire me where I'm going to release this horrible document about you. And she said that afterwards, when he left, Trump was like, what is wrong with that guy? He's weird. What does he think he's saying to me? What a weirdo? That was his take on him. And I thought, oh, he came into focus. So that's who he is. He'll do anything. That guy will do anything to get his way. So this is more of that. This is him have, I mean, this guy, he was a Republican, and he's a Democrat, and then he's, he just, he blows with the wind. He was a prosecutor.

But he has the exact same thing Obama does, a sort of awshuck's kind of calm, kind of casual delivery. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes, he'll go. He'll go, well, I don't recall the exact date, but I'm sure I did speak to so-and-so about so-and-so. I can't recall the day. But, yeah, we thought there was sufficient evidence. there for, and if you do, Obama's smart and that he does all his shit, a kind of a very

conversational, kind of laid back, kind of casual, whatever, that it's not off-putting. And it also, it's kind of ingratiating. And it also kind of makes you think the way somebody would reminisce about something that they weren't braggadocious they weren't pushing they they didn't seem pressured you know what i mean it was very and you go okay well that guy's telling the truth you know i mean like obama's yeah race baiting lying piece of shit too but he he does a very kind of he'll say anything but he'll say it in a in like a folksy way and and people go like oh yeah yeah he's right you know what i mean but he's horrible as well but him and Comey sort of have the same

delivery. And when Comey would get in front of Congress and stuff, it was always, he never looked shifty or like he was double dealing or anything. It was always a kind of a calm demeanor. And then he would bullshit the entire time. I don't know. We have the clip. I have a two minute clip of it that Andrew's going to try to

pull up your on Zoom. But we'll look at it. It's also like weird makeup and stuff on him in lighting. But again, here's the question. Why? Why release a video talking about Taylor Swift? Why do you need to put this out? Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. Yes. Aren't people asking that question themselves? Why'd you do this? A 15-minute political, it's a campaign speech. It's a political speech. He's not everybody thinking. How long is, not this clip, but the thing overall, Drew, do we know how long it is? Let me look it up.

Hold on. His in its entirety, it's five minutes? We don't know. No way. I don't know. No way. Look it up. All right, we'll play the clip.

Here we go. Okay. I want to talk about a truly inspirational public figure named Taylor Swift. Of course, I watched her podcast interview with the Kelsey brothers. Of course, I watched the whole thing, although on YouTube, Patrice and I got kicked off. for the last 15 minutes and finished it on her phone, but I watched it. You see, Taylor Swift and I go way back. I went to my first concert of hers 15 years ago. I've been to a second, and I have helped financially support the attendance of a lot of family members at others. I'm in a family's

Swifty group chat. I know all her music, and I listen to it in my headphones when I cut the grass. So yes, I have a favorite of hers, although honestly, for me, it's a tie. between all too well, 10-minute version, and exile featuring Bonifere. Overle-specific. Taylor Swift has grown up with my family and provided us a soundtrack, really, as we've grown ourselves and learned and adapted. That's five minutes overall. And dealt with adversity and celebration. She had songs for all of us.

It was right. I suspect that's something that millions of Americans have also experienced in their families. I think that's because Taylor Swift produces great art, but also, because she models something. At every stage of her career, she's shown a certain way of being that resonated with my kids and also felt right to me as a parent. And she's still doing that as a grown-up. And to be clear, I am not an advocate for weakness. Of course we need to stand up to jerks and defend what matters. But I think we have to try to do that without becoming like them, which is what makes me think about Taylor Swift.

She's made clear that she sees Donald Trump for what he is. And last year, she urged Americans not to make the serious mistake of electing him. Of course, we're now living with the consequences of that mistake. But, yeah, we may. I can't make it more. You don't want that. He was posting about whether Taylor Swift is still hot and declaring that he can't stand her. What she's doing?

Living her best life. Is it living our best life? Reducing great music and, as she urged all of us to do during the podcast, Not giving the jerks power over her mind. Yeah. I want to talk about it. Got to fight back, Drew. Can't we got to go high and they go low or something.

What is he talking about? What the fuck happened to this guy? I don't know, but he's in, I know. Does he have handlers, though? Does he have handlers? Somebody advised him to go, we need five minutes on Taylor Swift. Somebody wrote this thing because he didn't write it. But here's what really is interesting to me is he's an expert.

word on lying. And one of the things about lies is people tend to have difficulty being very specific. So you know, he goes, this is my favorite song, the 10 minute version. Like that's overly specific. That's, oh, that's lying. That's too specific to try to cover. Like the 10 minute version featuring Bonneroo. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. So he's he's basically launching a soft campaign so that when paperwork shows up and he gets hauled in front of Congress, the American people will go, you want to take this patriot who wrote a book called A Higher Calling, because, you know, it's important to him, you know, to serve, you want to take this Patriot and who loves Taylor Swift and you want to lock him up for trying to do his job?

so then we'll have that right it'll be the same yeah that's right the same people that wanted everyone locked up for january 6th want the guys who did shit like this not locked up it's an interesting it's it's it's it'll be interesting i'm going to predict that there will be a series of these videos right why would you do this if he's not sort of on a full on campaign i mean i'm i'm guessing i'm guessing yeah look everyone uh there was a deep state and And these guys colluded to not get Trump elected or when he was elected to destroy his administration and his ability to lead. That's what happened. And there's a bunch of people and there's a bunch of emails and there's a bunch of everything.

So I don't know. And he blackmailed him in front of K.D. McFarland about the steel dossier. Right. So if you don't want that thing released, you're going to keep me in the FBI director's position. Right. So that's blackmail. Right. All right.

and now you'd like us to turn the page. Okay. I don't want to turn the page. I don't want to turn the page on COVID. I don't want to turn the page on January 6th. I don't want to turn the page on this. I don't want to turn the page on any deep corruption. I think it's dangerous that we turn the page.

Yes. It's dangerous. We'll do it again. Even if we'll never do it again, these are criminal acts, and I want people held accountable. That's all. All right. We'll take a quick break. And I, by the way,

I'd be perfectly happy if they're held accountable. Don't do. When I go, we'll take a quick break. That's your cue to stop talking. Oh, I didn't hear you say that. Sorry. Well, maybe it's the connection. Didn't hear you say that.

Apologies. Connection? Yeah. Sorry. We'll take a quick break. I'll be right back after this. This summer, Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of Cinema is here.

Feel the explosive action all summer long. with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Goodberger, and Transformers Dark of the Moon. Bring the action with you and stream for free from all your favorite devices. Pluto TV, stream now, pay never. All right, Drew's back. It's weird because your connection seems good, but there is a little, I don't know. distance. Drew's in New York City. It's a little delay and so I spoke on top of you so I couldn't hear what you were saying. All right. So now I forget what I wanted to say. What do I want to say?

Don't blame me. All right. So we were talking about these weird, weird times. Listen, I don't think Comey and certainly the rest of those guys struck and Lisa Page and all that stuff. These guys were insiders and they were dealing and they were trying to stop Trump. I don't know what else you need to know. There's tons of emails about it and not emails, text and everything else. And Hillary Clinton was involved and Comey was involved. They're all involved.

And you want to talk about democracy. Yeah. They're all in and Obama was probably in and they're all in. Now, you don't want to look at that. Some people don't want to look at it. They want to focus on the insurrection of January 6th. They want to focus on something that didn't happen and focus on that full time, but not focus on something that did happen, which is a strange way to go through life.

You know what I mean? They'd like to focus on something that was essentially made up and not focus on something that actually did happen and talk about a threat to democracy at the same time. The threat to democracy that January 6 posed was almost a zero or a zero because it could not affect democracy because there was nothing. There was not an insurrection. No one was armed and there's nothing they could do. That was a zero. This was a direct effect on democracy and you guys have no interest in it.

So I'm thinking maybe you're being inconsistent. Now I'm starting to think maybe you don't care about democracy as much as you have. say you do. Is that a possibility? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's weird, right? But again, it's this, this world we live in where cognitive dissonance is ruling everyone's ability to think clearly. They can't move around. I know you and I are probably doing it in various ways, but at least we're like saying it out loud and trying to try to do a better job while there are those that just lean into their cognitive dissonance. It's just terrible.

they still Jimmy was saying how he doesn't like the scolding from the left I thought oh dude and he was talking to Sarah at Silverman about who also scolds from the left they're both like oh yeah it's terrible okay

the the fact that it's been two and a half years and they still can't figure out how many people died during January 6 is a testament to their cognitive dissident answer is zero well sorry Ashley Babbitt died one one woman was shot by a black DC

cop or or a capital policeman who nothing who was praised as a hero nothing happened to okay that's your answer it's been it's been three years you guys can't figure that one out or we're still what are we doing sifting through the data to figure out how many what there's so many bodies we can't get an accurate count or is it nobody so stop saying it You know what I'm saying? Armed insurrection. It was an armed insurrection where nobody had unarmed. Traffic cones and bicycle helmets don't count as weapons traditionally

when you're talking about insurrection. Not when you're overthrowing your government that has nuclear weapons at least. No, no. Bike helmets, flagpoles, and traffic cones do not normally. Won't do it. No one's ever stormed the capital of any nation and says everyone has their bike helmets and their traffic cones. And nobody's ever defended a Capitol said we were outgunned because they had too many

bike helmets and traffic cones. Okay. So you want to talk about dissidents. I see people go on talk shows in modern times and say the same shit. So there's something wrong. Now, the problem is, is they're not being sufficiently shamed. and or policed by whoever's hosting the show. That's the problem.

There's a lot of head nodding when they're saying whatever it is they're saying. No one ever says to them, tell me about this. And if they did, they could not provide an answer, obviously. And the weird part is that I always find strange is, harkening back to my discussion with Gavin Newsom, he just went on in perpetuity with no answer he could go as long as you wanted with no answer so weird the weirdest thing

I mean it literally was like talking to a nine year old and you walked in the kitchen and there was milk spilled all over the floor and you went what happened you you spilled this milk and went I didn't spill the milk and then you went who spilled the milk and he goes I don't know I didn't do it and then he goes anyone else in the house no well then you must have

spilled the milk? I didn't spill the milk. Well, do you think somebody broke into the house and spilled the milk? I don't know. And then you talked to that nine-year-old for a half hour straight, and they just kept saying the same thing. That means that's insane.

Yeah. My attic patients do this classic thing where if they're at a friend's house and they see money or a wallet sitting out, they will steal it and then help their friend look for the wallet. That's a good one, but I've seen that one many times yeah well that's a certain it's a certain breed of cat that is a it is it's a certain breed a cat and i and it i find it off-putting but i also find it kind of scary

you know what it's scary and it's also all inspiring wow you can do that you can do that you can sit for a half hour and we can talk about this same thing and you can provide no answer for a half hour and the strange part about it is I got the feeling that he thought he was winning this argument or we're sort of keeping pace with it you know what I mean yeah which is that that's also a sociopathic thing you know the nine-year-old thinks he's dominating this argument or this conversation, which is a pretty insane way to go, right? Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.

Again, it's cognitive distortion. You're not in reality. You know, and to be fair, all politicians have always done shit like this. It's just one party is doing a lot of it right now. Yeah. We have to be careful. Everybody, everybody tries to make a point but they do it in a way that has some skill to it. Some logic. Some logic.

All right. We were, should we play our Jewel clip? We have a classic Loveline clip. And, oh, wow. I forgot about this. This is Jewel coming into Loveline, end of 98, 1995. singing with her guitar about fat boy

killed himself goes to the pool sees his reflection doesn't know what to do he feels little inside and filled with pride whole fragile flame

when no one feels the same. Fat boy goes about his day trying to think of funny things to say like this is just a game I play and I like me this way. way, oh, fragile flame when no one feels the same. Hush, sleep. Don't think just even.

Your daddy's little boy Your mama's pride and joy You know she loves you But not because she holds you And fat boy says Wouldn't that be nice? If I could melt myself like ice or outrun my skin

and just be pure wind or fragile flame. Sometimes I feel the same Wow Beautiful Underappreciated I would say Jewel Or I don't know if she's underappreciated But she is fan fucking-tastic I saw her a couple of years ago

Yeah Yeah Although I remember her being a little difficult Is that your memory too? Maybe she lived in a car and stuff and shit all those these traumatic stories where you try to get her talk about she's like, fuck you, not talking about it.

Maybe, maybe I've had interactions with her more recently and find her to be delightful. But people go through. Good, good. phases. I don't remember that. Yes. And by the way, there's nothing that says she has to talk about these things, right?

She doesn't know who we are. It was probably earlier in her career, to be fair. Oh, very. Well, 98. When did she get going? 94, 95, probably big, it was probably 95, you know, 4, 95, so this early on. You and I talk about memory all time, and it's more, I now become sort of fascinated with it and just sort of realize that, oh, man, we're in trouble. And, and I, because people believe their memories, they rely on them. Yeah, they believe their memories.

And then they, then they also, they start making policy and stuff off, off. these false memories or what have you, narratives, you know, whatever. It's just like I, it's literally like Old West campfire lore, except for there's a ring doorbell and everyone has a phone with a camera on it, but yet we're still going down that road, like harder. And I was, I went to the auction preview at Pebble Beach and I was at the Gooding auction, big expensive, big expensive auction, Pebble Beach. And we go to the preview and you walk in there and you walk around and you look at the

stuff. And one of the guys who worked at the auction, he just, he came up to me. And he said, you know, Adam, you know, I'm a big fan. And I, and I really appreciate what you've done and what, what you do. And I said, okay, thanks. And he said, you know, I remember very clearly, as if it was yesterday when you were here several years ago. And you were back there and you had a Toyota and you're taking the kids and he had all the kids around and you're putting them in the Toyota and it really made the impression on me and at first I've never owned a Toyota my life I never bought a Toyota very rare is a Toyota ever sell at a gooding auction it may be a land cruiser from the 60s or 70s but no you know so I know what kids he speaks of I know not

I I go there with my son alone it's me and my son he's the only child that's ever around me. And this, this, this very distinct memory of me being back there with the Toyota and purchasing the Toyota and putting all the kids in there and taking care of the kids and giving them, you know, essentially being so generous with the kids, I have no fucking idea what he's talking about. And, and it never happened and nothing close to it happened. And he has a very vivid memory of it. And now I'm scared. because this guy is going to be a juror one day to murder trial and he's going to take these thoughts and he's going to be sitting there

and he's going to have very distinct memories about things and what happened or he's going to get called up to be a witness in a murder trial and he's going to have very distinct memories about what happened even though nothing happened and I have people tell me what happened and what didn't happen all fucking day and it's starting to scare me. Yeah. Yeah.

Memories are notoriously distorted. they are notoriously, they decay and change over time as they're recreated, and it is notoriously inaccurate. In fact, a friend of mine is a former FBI agent, used to run a class on what to do essentially with eyewitnesses. And he'd open the class by, maybe 40 people in the room, by having a couple have like a fight over in the corner, and then three guys would come in, easily identify by all guys with various weapons and grab somebody and take them out. And they go around the whole room and say, what just happened? And almost no one can identify how many assailants, raise the assailants, weapons of the

assailants, what happened before the people broke into the room. They forget about the little outbreak of a fight, you know, that they set up beforehand. That's what an eyewitness is. so do not rely on memory ladies and gentlemen and by the way what I remember about Jewel could be completely inaccurate

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