The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2037 - Adam and Dr. Drew on the Assassination of Charlie Kirk

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. That shows me and get it on. Drew's Board Certified. Did and that, that, that, that, blah, blah.

All right. So, Drew, you and I not talked about the whole Charlie Kirk thing. No, I know. The world has changed since we last sat at these mics. Into a microphone at least. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, sad. He was a real nice guy. Um, interviewed him a few times, been on his show a few times. I know you have as well. Um, I, you know, the, the shooting in the, in the tragedy part of life, um, is sort of baked in. I'm, I get it. We're at a place where that's the way it works. Um, although the, the visual, people witnessing. a violent event, that made it a little different. I mean, there's a reason the kings in the Middle Ages beheaded people in public. Right. Because humans react differently when bodies are violated. Right. Now, the reaction to it is what I've been fascinated by. Me too.

Me too. And, you know, all kinds of stuff. Somebody pointed out is, well, so it's just weird, he said, she said, you know, it's a constant going thing. anyone who's been in a bad marriage shirt and knows that feeling of when you go, I don't, you know, you keep going, why am I the one to blame? I keep saying, let's fix this thing or let's, I don't want to do this. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want fighting.

I don't want chaos. I want homeless. I don't want garbage. Yes. I don't want burning. You know, I, you know. The other thing, you don't want people with a different opinion to go away. They're welcome to share their opinions with you.

Well, I think there's a thing. I really think there's a thing. I mean, it may be a convenient thing. There are, okay, so everyone goes, well, there's an opinion. There's an opinion. There's an opinion. But it gets back to what I kind of say. It's sort of diet and exercise.

You know, my opinion is family and education. It's like, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I think there's an underlying thing that, that's difficult, which is somebody's right and somebody's wrong. somebody was right and somebody is wrong like okay you just take one of the bigger one of the biggest things you know sort of george floyd black lives matter you know the the plight of the black community the crime you know what somebody's right and somebody's wrong in terms of what to do about it yeah and and it's always been the lack of fathers and the lack of focus on education and the lack of focus on family and it's pretty easy to chart out

There were, you know, it was much better statistically 50 years ago when there were dads at home, and now the dads are gone. And let's give it a little bit of a nudge here. No fault of the black community. The welfare programs excluded fathers. If you were a recipient, you couldn't have the dad around. That's bad. That's bad, but also it is their fault because they follow black leaders who don't have their best welfare in mind. And so they didn't white people go, fuck that guy.

I'm not following that guy. There was no Al Sharpton or whatever. You know, people go, what about Trump? They like Trump because they want cheap gas and they want a firm border. But he's not like a spiritual leader for us, you know. The problem is, it's like, Sonny Hosten thinks she speaks for that. She has nothing to do with whatever your problems are if you're black right now. Stop looking for her or whoopey to speak for you or to represent or Al Sharpton or Mayor Bass, you know,

or whomever is in charge of whatever city you're in. They're not doing anything for you. Well, that's interesting, though, because I think other communities would look at somebody who's a lawyer who's got a lot of money, a movie star who's been on TV for 100 years, and they would go, oh, well, that doesn't, that's a different, I don't care what color they are. They're different than me. They don't have my life. So why would I listen to them?

Yes, yes. This is my point. Don King has nothing to do with you if you're a poor black person. Right. And you have nothing to do with Don King, and he's not going to help. He's going to tell you he's going to help. So you're pointing at something. Do you think that class issues are going to come forward now?

There's a thing. It's just work. And it's, look, it's diet and exercise. It's focused. up early. It's be polite. It's all the stuff we got to argue and argue and argue about what's a white thing or black thing or whatever. You can call it whatever thing you want. Be prompt, be polite, do your job, be focused, be sober, don't steal, don't fuck with cops and go home, you know, wait until after, you know, college to have kids, get married, then have kids,

graduate high school. It's a, but it's diet and exercise, diet and exercise, diet and exercise. Delayed gratification. Delayed gratification. It's all that. If we're for any, group at any time. So now then you get into this discussion. Well, I mean, do see, I think there's a problem. I think the left, I think their policies are bad and, you know, free bus rides and government-owned supermarkets and whatever. Nothing ever comes out the other end. You guys have been charged of schools for 50 years. Nothing's coming out. It's just more money. No results. okay you can't defend that you can't defend most all of your position so why would you want to really sit down and talk it out right i don't i just don't i don't see it so i don't think that's

i don't think that's your i don't think that's their path and i don't think that's what they want i mean i used to let's state it so so you're saying all these policies have failed and therefore they don't want to sit down and talk about them because those failures would be highlighted, right? Yeah, when I got, I was about a year into my divorce and I just said to my ex-wife, I go, listen, all, everything you said, you're not doing any of it. Why don't we just go sit in front of a counselor and just hash this out? Because this isn't working out. This isn't, doesn't resemble what you said. Right. It was going to be. So we have a mutual counselor. You've seen her. I've seen her. Let's just go sit down with her and see we can agree on something.

and she quit the counselor and never went into the thing. Now, why? Because she was right, because she dutifully followed up on all and been true to her work. No, she knew what she, she wouldn't want to go in there. Because why? Because it wouldn't have been a good environment for her. Right. But if she'd acted a different way, then she would have been.

You see what I'm saying? Yes, yes. So she doesn't, they don't want to be in that environment. And that's, you know, I've been drilling down on a lot, but it's like Karen Bass and that whole group, they all speak truth to power, but they never go on anyone's show who disagrees with that. Do they? So, look, what I say about Fauci all this years ago, oh, all these Fox, these Fox viewers not getting vaccinated. Okay, Fauci, go on Tucker Carlson's show and tell all his dumb viewers to get vaccinated. God, I had a dream about him last night, weirdly.

Why would Fauci, Fox has a much greater audience, larger audience than CNBC and CNN and all? Okay, fine. I'm not sure everyone knows that. Well, they do. They do. Not to the amount that they do. I'll tell you who knows it. Fauci.

Yeah. Okay. And his handlers. They know it. And he wants people to get vaccinated. Right. And he is claiming it's the Fox propagandists who aren't getting vaccinated. vaccinated. Well, that's great because you have an open invitation to go on to Tucker Carlson's

show for an hour and tell everyone why they should get vaccinated. Why didn't he ever do that? There's an open door policy for those people, whether it's Kamala going on Joe Rogan or whatever it is. Come on down. We'll sit down for an hour. Bill Maher. They won't do it. So here's the thing. I'm starting to think they don't. Their arguments, are bad. They're basically diet and exercise and you have a third. You have something else you want to try out. You want, you want dietetic fudge. And it's not working. And I want family and education. You want some kind of community ambassadors or something. And it takes a village and everyone's going to write. It doesn't work. None of your shit works. None of it. Just like

the border, it doesn't work. Defunding the police. All of what it is doesn't work. You can't defend it and you don't want to get in those forms or those environments. And I'm starting to think that's what it is. It's just they start screaming. They start burning shit down. I mean, George Floyd had we had to burn everything down for six months after George Floyd. We're not burning anything down with Charlie Kirk's death. Where's the riots? Where's the burning? Why are, why is their stuff being burnt down? Well, prayer vigils. Yes. Okay. So there is a difference. But I now realize They don't want this discussion. Go on Bill Mars and just go tell them what your policy is.

They'd rather just call somebody a Nazi and run away. Yes, that's basically what we're doing. And then say to themselves, well, why would I want to talk to a Nazi? Who cares what they say or who cares how they reason? Right. But this is the weird cognitive dissonance everyone's in. They're convincing themselves of things that are just dehumanizing and imply violence.

You are threatening my existence with your opinion. Well, then that's a small step away from, therefore I have to eliminate you because you're going to try to eliminate me. You're threatening my existence. All right. I'm a little bit of a broken record with this, but I've been on it for a long time

and now maybe the chickens will come home to roost. You know, Jasmine Crock and I'll go, I never said for anyone to put their hands on anybody else. Right. You just keep calling someone to Hitler and the sniper will do the math. Right. It's a simple, it's a simple math.

The number one time machine scenario is you go back and kill Hitler. But when the reality is, and this is the crazy part, think about how those same people reacted after Charlie's death, right? You are someone who would have gotten swept into an alternative universe in 1939. you would have been part of the whole thing. You would have been a prison guard, essentially. You would have been a Hitler youth. You would have been the person swept into the hysteria that made no sense.

Right. And by the way, there's a significant piece, if you read your history about the consolidation of power by Nazis, is there was serious violence to do that. There was like massive killings. Gurring carried out huge purges. Same thing with Mussolini. I mean, this is not, you know, that's what these people were doing back then. Right. But, okay, so there's this thing where it's like, you know, good people on both sides or inject bleach or January 6, violent, you know, armed bloody insurrections.

None of it happened. Whatever it is, they're taught, you know, this whole, this whole, this whole Hitlerian and all this fact. dictator. I don't even know what they're talking about. I really don't. I don't know what they're talking about. I don't know that they know what they're talking about. They don't. I tried, I can't even remember what this person said. I'm really, I'm trying so hard. Let me say something real quick. If what they said was true that this guy has guys in unmarked vans out of uniform sweeping into neighborhoods and disappearing citizens, that is what a fascist does. Right. Except for that's not happening.

Right. And just like inject bleach or good people on both sides or armed insurrection or dead, you know, body count, capital police. None of that happened. None of that. Hands up. Don't shoot. You gentle giant. None of this happened.

That's the whole thing. And by the way, it never does. You just keep, remember 10 minutes ago we weren't going to be able to afford guacamole? Remember that one? No guacamole for you. has anyone having avocado related issues has anybody had an avocado related issue they get up there and they go i got some guacamole and i got my takati beer and if you like guacamole and you like tecati well tough luck because you won't be able to whatever comes out the other end yeah it never

comes out the maryland dad the maryland dad yes a good man he liked guacamole and tacit beer but nothing it just goes everything just slips off it just goes away You know what I mean? Yeah. It's weird. It doesn't come back around to be judged. No. It's just, all right.

So, sorry, you were trying to wrap your mind around. I'm really trying to understand. I'm really doing everything I can, try to understand what people are experiencing and what both sides is and how they construct this idea about Charlie Kirk. There was, to my, everything I've seen, very far from who he was. And I'm really trying to understand what it triggers and how it makes people feel. I'm really working hard at it.

Well, it's that the truth is triggering. Like, look, when I. die, there's going to be tons of slews of stuff, me saying, I'm not down with Black Lives Matter, it's about dads, it's not about Leah, fuck Al Sharpton, and then they're going to go, Adam Carole racist. Yeah, yeah. Right, that's how it works.

Except for what am I saying? Yeah. What is Charlie Kirk saying? Saying, being raised in a home where 75% of kids don't have a dad in that home is going to fucking ruin that home. So, we got to fix it. You call it racist. I don't know what I would

call it. It's, you get a termite inspection in your house. The guy comes back and comes back with bad news. You've got a tent this place. It's got, well, what do you do? Threat them and kick him out of your house? You know, it's just bad news. We've got to fix it.

Right. Well, we're going to put a tent. I don't want to leave. We have to stay in a hotel for four days. I don't want to do that. Yeah, I know. I wish it came back with no termites. Yeah.

But we got issues. But don't be angry at the guy. We got to fix it. Yeah. So he, you know, the Charlie Kirk's and the Dennis Prager's and stuff that's got, they just tell you how to fix it. That's all. Yeah. And you think they're, by the way, but they're the racist, but Whoopi Goldberg isn't, who just offends the system that doesn't work and gets people shot every day and live in poverty for perpetuity?

She's a good one. He's a guy. She's the one saying no termites. You're the one living in a termite riddled house. Why is she the good one? Yeah. Jesus Christ. Too much chickthink, Drew, too much feeling. Everyone's like, it's, it's like the termite guy's not mean, he's not evil, he's not anything. Just like the doctor tells you have cancer. It's not mean, it's not evil. He's not evil. He's telling you what the diagnosis is. And you don't want to hear it. But that's his job and now we can fix it. And you shouting him down and throwing him out of the hospital doesn't mean you don't have cancer. So here we go, our buddy. Too much chick think. Too much emotion.

It's all emotion now, Drew. Oh, yeah. It's all about feelings. It's all about how you feel. Yeah. Okay. And it's not good. That's prone to hysteria.

Yeah. That's what sets that up. It's not good for society. So, also, anybody can have, I happen to agree with Charlie Kirk on whatever, whatever opinions I've heard of his, I do agree with him. but it's okay to disagree with him but you got to you got to buck up like if you if you have an opinion you know if you want to go you want to be democrat socialist of New York City that's fine but now you have to go on to Bill Maher's show and sit down and sell it or defend it or defend it, or say something.

And by the way, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that you have a lot of confidence in your stances when you change those stances to go more like a Charlie Kirk stance when you try to offer it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, when you want to get votes, essentially. Yeah, you're essentially a, you know, what have I said this? What have I just said, look, I run a.

a burger place. But I don't sell to Mexicans. I will not sell to Mexicans. We'll make it easier. I run a burger place, and my policies, I never sell to Armenians. And it's a good burger, and it does real well, but I never, I never. And I'm 55 years old, and that's my policy. I don't like Armenians, and I won't sell my burgers.

And then at some point, some franchisee or franchise gets hold of me and goes, I can put lot of cash into this. We're going to franchise. We're going to open up 62 locations in the Southland. But this whole no-selling to Armenians thing is not going to work. And I go, yeah, good, because I rethought it. Right, right. Okay. Do I like Armenians now? Or do I realize it was a shit policy that people didn't want? Yeah. And it wouldn't work on a scale. I couldn't scale it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yes. He still has shitty ideas, but he's adapting. Well, also, here's the other thing. I just had 40 years of not selling the Armenians.

I should go on a Bill Maher's show and explain why. Instead of just go, yeah, well, that was the old me. Why are you going away from your policies? Right. You know, you want to get rid of fracking, Kamala Harris? Good. Go on Bill Maher and tell them why fracking's so bad and why we don't need it. Right. But you don't.

No. Or you want to do the transgender surgery and prisoners, illegal immigrants. and prisoners. Okay. That's your policy. We thought of it when you're 54. Go, go talk about it. No, going away from that. Why? Because it's a shit. It's a shit policy. You can't defend it. You don't want to go on those shows and defend it. Ask me about my policy. What's Trump want to do? Well, he wants the border shut down. He wants the school, he wants school choice or whatever. He wants taxes lowered. Okay. He'll go on any show at any time and talk about that. Yes? And I was just thinking...

So Fauci had a shit policy, and he was lying. So he would never go. Did any of those people go on any of those shows? Did Barbara Ferrer, L.A. City, you know, health... Did she go on any podcast? Did they go anywhere that's not friendly to them? No. Oh, I'm going to go on Keroswisher show again.

Yeah, okay. You want to go on a real show and have somebody push back a little? No, you don't. Why not? I'll go on anyone's show and talk about whatever it is I talk about. Yeah. So what's the problem? Yeah.

They're scared, they don't have, their policy shit. They're all feelings. Well, speaking of feelings, so do we have to take a break? Yes, quick break. All right. You know what doesn't belong in your summer plans getting burned by your old wireless bill, unless you're into that kind of stuff, while you're planning beach trips, barbecues, weekends, long weekends, last thing to do is find out all of a sudden

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And, well, I can't even remember. You can't do you fuck it up. Well, of course. They were Sunday night. And lots of feelings. And one of the, and again, me trying to adapt the perspective of what people are doing. I'm really trying. A lot of America has fallen.

America doesn't exist anymore. I love my country. Colbert gets up and goes, I love, I, you don't love it. anything more than when you lose it. I never love my country more than this. Okay, okay, country's lost. What, what, what, what do they, what do they mean? I don't, I cannot figure what, I mean, I don't, I don't, well, first off, it's, it's weird making lots of proclamations when your physical life has not been altered one iota. You know what I mean? Like when, like when, like when people go, well, we had a fire in Malibu, and then I got this place. So I have, so I

had to live in an Airbnb in Burbank for six months or your guest house or your guest room. You know, okay, fine. Yeah. That something was something altered. Yes. You know what I mean? And then your favorite restaurant, Moon Shadows, burnt to the ground, can't go to Moon Shadows anymore. And the Dukes, the other restaurants, been, you know, fire damage and flooding, you know, still not open.

Can't go to Duke's, you know, okay. So then people go, well, there was a fire. How to affect you at him? And I go, well, let me tell you. I had to flee. I'd stay in a hotel that night, you know, to find crash on people's sofas. You know, yeah, it was impactful. But what if I just never left Malibu?

Dukes was open. Moonshadows never burned to the ground. Everything was just wide open and nothing ever happened. How much talk could I do? How much fire talk would be acceptable? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It didn't impact me.

Stephen Colbert, still rich, still goes to work. works, goes to work with Rich Triebel, has a good life. Where's it, where's the impact? Now, to be fair to them, remember, my mom wasn't Hispanic, but she wept for those people. She worried about them. Didn't do anything for them, but she worried. Right. Felt feeling.

She felt for them. Yeah. Right. And she wanted to make sure you knew about it because that would then make her a better person. Which is a really interesting thing I've noticed. Rob Henderson did the whole thing on this, how the dark. triad people, usurped social justice to... Who are the dark triad people, sorry?

Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, varying degrees of those three, and those people will adopt social justice. They're very attracted to these things because they can use them to express their ego needs. To me, I feel bad. I'm feeling bad. And they can go, if they're psychopathic, they get like Kirk's, you know, killer. Right. They go really bad.

Yeah. Yeah. And they don't realize, they, I really. believe they don't even realize they're killing a person they get so first of all they don't have a moral sensibility and they often don't have feelings so it's hard for them to empathize and other people generally but they get so swept into bad person does you know needs to be done away with it's they're just prone to that shit yeah well it's more feelings and it's more narcissism and but what about the fall what are they talking about what is the fall of america what do they

mean? This isn't the America that grew up in? Or they don't like the policies of a closed border and ice raids and ice... Well, I mean, if they believe... Federal guards to control crime.

They just don't like that. They have some Maryland-dad version of all this stuff. You know, there's... There's Kilmar. Unfortunately named Kilmer, or whatever's name is, Kimmer Garcia Par or whatever.

All right, all right. Let's look at it this way. There's the Maryland Dad. Okay. In my world, he is here illegally, part of a gang. Traffic. Engaged in human trafficking. Now, listen, I'm not.

1,000% on everything, but he's here illegally. Can we check that box? Yes, yes, we can. Okay, he is associated with a deadly gang. Okay, we can check that box. He did several domestic violence complaints. He beat on his old lady. Yeah, Kilmar Abrago Garcia. Okay. He put his hands on a woman, or his wife, domestic violence. Complaints. And, uh, and maybe, got into some child pornography or whatever, whatever that was. Okay. That's who he is to me, okay? Right.

To Stephen Colbert and to Mayor Bass, he's a father from Maryland. Right. Okay. So if I want that guy snatched up, put in a van, and take into a facility, and deported, because I look at him as a gangbanger here illegally, who. smuggles human beings, human trafficking. And maybe some child porn or something, some weird something. All things, all good reasons to get him out of the country.

Yeah. That's me. Stephen Colbert thinks of him as a dad from Maryland. So what is that? By the way, if I thought of him as just a dad from Maryland, I'd be pissed. I had a dad from Philadelphia. Yeah. I wouldn't want him snatched up and disappeared.

What just convenient reasoning, just to support their position, they can't be wrong. what the hell how does that work what they do i mean they're their problem and this is this is on them like you know like i said about you know the black community go we can't blame the black community i can at a certain point because you're listening to the same people maxine waters is not going to help you out because she's black community right get over it no more than ted nugent's going to help me out because he's white right you know what i mean and i'm over it yeah i get it gavin newsome 6-2 I'm 6-2, 50-something years old, same age as me. Hi, both strikingly handsome, both heterosexual, both from California.

And that guy's a piece of sociopathic shit who's not going to do anything except for fucking fuck up my state. Yeah. That's all. Not friends with him. Much rather have Larry Elder, the black guy. That's who I'd like to be governor. You'd like somebody who doesn't look like you. I want someone who can do a good fucking job in the state I live in.

Yeah. there's no I'm much more in common with Gavin Newsom than I do with Larry Elder but Larry Elder has better policies so I would like him in charge simple yeah I'd be a fucking idiot if I just got in line

behind Gavin and I'd be sort of racist you know like fuck you Larry Larry Elder I'm in with the guy looks like me interestingly it's sort of in a weird way the the Democratic sort of default position to vote party is sort of has kind of a, it feels racist. It's, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, I'm just voting for that party, period. I don't care what the hell anybody. You know what I mean? It's just a weird way to go through life. All right. So if I looked in them as a Maryland dad, then I'd be upset. But I don't look at him as a Maryland dad. I look him as a gangbagger.

Yeah. Okay. So I'm not upset. You, Stephen Colbert, whomever, you get. all your news from one or two, well, many sources, but they all think the same. Yeah. These are the guys who thought Kyle Rittenhouse was a serial killer. These are the guys that got everything.

They still think that. Okay. These are the guys who think inject bleach and Ivermectin's horse paste and stuff. At January 6th, 100 Biden's laptop. Yeah, yeah, 51 guys signed. Okay, you're getting misinformation from your side. Yeah. That's all.

And you're still believing. it. That's why it's on you. And then you end up celebrating when a 31-year-old gets killed. Right. But it's, but it's Scott Adam says two movies on one screen. Like everyone's watching this one movie,

but we feel like watching two entirely different films. All right. I'll be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. That'll be September 26 at the Kimo Theater, and then I'll be in Flagstaff, September 27th, Orphium Theater. I'll be at Kimmel's Club in Vegas.

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