The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2053 - It’s Not Talking Sh*t if You’re Telling the Truth

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Adam and Dr. Drew dive into the concept of gynofascism and explore how victimhood is often used to disguise deeper character flaws. Adam shares a story about his grandmother’s underwhelming reaction to his big career milestone. Then, the guys react to a recent interview with Kamala Harris, in which she appears to be acting as if she has won the presidential election.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew's show. Got to get a good. I don't know. Dr. Sports is on, and Alan, he's on the road. I can't see you, but I don't need to. Oh, I can see you. Oh, you can? All right. Well, maybe it's just my monitor. We'll figure it out, but you're in Palm Springs. Yeah, you'll, you'd love the background behind me. It's quite, quite lively. It's floral. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, so much going on. I almost don't even know where, to start these days. You certainly,

your prediction about putting women in positions of power would have untoward effects that I certainly didn't see coming. And people are calling gyno-fascism now and sort of with somewhat tongue-and-cheek.

But as we discussed last time, there may be even an evolutionary biological quality to these things that we're seeing. I agree. I see it on the B set or whatever. I was also hearing some music in the background, but I wasn't sure if that was you or not. But anyway, now it's off the B set. It doesn't matter. I don't need to see you, Drew. I know what you look like. There you are.

There are no. All right. So there is a weird radio interference or something we're hearing right now. I'm not sure what that was. Anyway, gyno-fascism. Go, Drew. well that you know it's interesting i you were sort of on fire on x the other day talking about how i mean i i think you even is it possible you took down some of those ex posts i i don't know something weird was happening with no i've never taken down a post okay somebody like may have monkeyed with your ex post uh where you were talking about how your retirement funds you've worked on for 30 years. Yeah, that's up. That's up as we speak. Okay, good. And that people were like, oh, I can't believe. Oh, Adam. And it was weird to me how people almost didn't understand the point

you were making. And you went on to say that, well, look, if I were given the opportunity to get at somebody's retirement that they worked at a whole life to accumulate, you wouldn't do it because you have character and I've been thinking a lot lately about how well the story I mean here's here's a story Drew because you've been involved with this story okay you tell me well you know lawyers lawyers get in your ear and next thing you know you do what the lawyer says and you got to blame the lawyers yes and as much as I would like to blame a lawyer for everything you're still an adult, you're still an adult, you have a brain, you have reason, you have family, you have experience, you live in modern times in society, and as an adult, you can say

to your attorney, I'm not comfortable with this thing that I may be legally, legally I may be entitled to it, but you know what, I'm not comfortable with this. Yes. And I've had that conversation. with many attorneys on many different subjects where they went, you could do X, Y, and Z. And I go, I understand, but I do not want to because I don't like the optics of it. And I don't like what kind of person that would make me be.

But that would- That's the part. That would be- That's the part that people seem to miss. Yeah, that would be a character thing at that point. Yeah. And we have gone so far from that world of honor, honesty, character, I remember.

Well, you know what it is? Let me jump in. Sorry, I'm angry now. Yeah, go ahead. People don't expect women to have it, which is sad. They don't. They don't talk about character. They do not, you don't talk about character when you talk about women.

You don't talk about stoicism. Maybe we ought to make sure we do. It's an off shoot of stoicism, or it is stoicism. It's stoicism is male, character is male, intestinal fortitude, male you know it's all male stuff people don't expect women to possess that and that's the sad part they don't talk it's football coaches talk to their male high school team about character but but you and i have always said over the years that just because something is innate in somebody's biology or traits or whatever they might be doesn't mean we have to capitulate to them

no i i agree so i you know i was basically saying There is what the law allows, and then there's your own personal guidance and definitions of yourself and how you conduct yourself and how you act. Look, anybody in Southern California can get rear-ended by anybody at five miles an hour on any freeway at any day. And then you may lawyer up looking at a billboard that's probably close to the accident. You don't have to get on the phone. You can just look up and see another attorney in another billboard and write the numbers. down and you will get thousands of dollars or or you can say you know what i think i'm fine and and get on with your life and if people don't know what i'm talking about in los angeles there's

signs everywhere along the freeways that say a b a d o avogado which is uh attorney yeah everybody can do everything within the law it doesn't make you a criminal but at a certain point if your neck's fine and your car is fine, you should just get back in it and keep driving. That's all. So what do we do with this character deficit? And particularly if, as you say, women are not innately raised that way

or with those traits, whatever. They're not raised that way. You don't hear character as it pertains to women. Yeah. It's not their fault. It's just not a thing they don't underscore it. They don't really hit discipline that hard. They don't hit character that hard.

This is sort of young guy wants to be a marine kind of thing or overachieving football player. You know, he's a little undersized for a lineman, but he works his tail off. You know, that's all male stuff. And it's fine. Women didn't really need it in the past. It was just sort of everyone got up and went to work. But now they're in, now they're being enabled by attorneys and laws and government to do things where they are going to need to display character. and they're not.

But what about somebody like, what's the woman's name, the swimmer that is standing up to the- Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines, to me, seems to have character. Well, you can't, listen. Now you're doing, now you're doing that. I know, I know a black family, and he went to Harvard. Yeah, I know, I know.

By the way, no one says it doesn't exist in any female. It's not pushed. My point is, this is, this. There is a good example to follow. Yes. To follow. I agree. I agree.

It's not pushed and it's definitely not pushed on the left side of the aisle. It's a victim. Like, victimhood is the opposite of character. And everybody uses victimhood in order to ignore character deficits and in order to do things. So you use your victimhood to then bypass character. Yeah. And that's what happens when you get divorced. You make yourself a victim, and then you no longer have to have character.

But yes, I don't know what people are talking about. Somebody said, I should retire, and then I wrote back, I can't retire. I have to work. By the way, you know where I wrote that from? What? An airplane coming home on Sunday from working. I worked. I did a show, well, as you know, I did a show in Boston on Thursday night.

I did a show in Buffalo on Friday night. I did a show in Atlanta on Saturday night. And then Sunday morning, somebody said I should retire. And then I said, I can't retire. I have to pay for everybody. Yeah. Right? And then they go, you something.

And I go, I don't have a retirement account. I work for 30 years for a retirement account, but I don't have that. I had to sign that over to my ex-wife as part of the divorce. And then I explained you don't have to do that. You're allowed to say, I'm not comfortable with that. I can get by with a few million a year or multimillion a year and tens of thousands a month. I can do it without the retirement account. I could do that.

You could do that, but you don't. And that's a character issue. And then people go, why are you? talking shit? Well, I don't know. Have someone clean out your retirement account and tell me how you feel about it. And by the way, is it talking shit if you're telling the truth? I've been yelling about this for 20 years. It's not talking shit if it's accurate. Yeah. Well, you're talking shit about Germany and Japan during World War II. We're talking shit about sinking the Lusitania. It's like, I'm not talking shit.

It's what happened. And by the way, if you like to avoid that feeling of people talking shit about you, perhaps don't engage in the behavior. Perhaps. That's a way to avoid it. But to be fair, it's interesting. You know, you have said you would not do that behavior. And I believe you when you say that. But what I would say is, man, do the cards line up against behaving with character?

Oh yeah, it's not it's built it's your it's your right you are entitled oh listen oh zempic it's ozempic yeah what's ozempic don't do not use any willpower or self-determination or whatever just take a shot and that it's it's all it's everything it's all built to go against character everything what society, that's what people crave. Yeah. People don't want resistance. But, but, but there is a, there is a, by the way, everyone talks a great game. I mean, everyone's game is amazing about what they would do. You know, you talk to people, you talk to, remember that Tim Walls, uh, Tim Walls from Minnesota. Hey, if I were billionaire, hey, I'd be handed out cash. I'd be down on

the court. Yeah, I'm sure you'd be handing out cash. If you're a billionaire, everyone is so favorable to themselves, you know what I mean? Hey, if I had, I'd be handing out, you'd be, you'd be what? Well, now you're really getting an interesting territory, which is people's self-perception and their predictions on how they would behave in certain environments. We are way off on that. Oh, my God. I don't know that that's a new thing.

I just think humans generally, their self-concept and their self-assessments. They're just so forgiving. They're insanely forgiving to them. It's much like the way they assess their own intelligence, right? It's the same thing. Like, oh, yeah, I'm high average. And they're way off. No, but character is an interesting thing because there are many facets of the human condition that people will own up to.

I know tons of guys. Every guy in Hollywood, you know, they go, oh, man. you could build a house. I couldn't put in a light bulb. I couldn't get a piece of furniture from IKEA and put it. I couldn't do anything. If I got a flat tire, I couldn't. So they do a lot of like, here's what I do.

Here's what I don't do. There are plenty of guys that and girls and whatever that go, oh, man, you could bench press 250. I don't think I could do 150. You know, there is that. When it comes to character, everyone gives themselves a 10. You know what there? You know why, Drew? why because they're replacing character with being nice and that's where you get all the nice

word salad talk yeah so nice nice and caring I care right I care so much I care I care I care right and therefore I'm entitled to yeah a little grift here and there a little bit of whatever and so wow and also behaving hatefully to other people yeah no I'm rejecting my family because they disagree with me. It's hateful, disgusting. Well, remember, my mom was an advocate for all the people and all the poor

and all the brown and all the people that have been subjugated and done wrong and enslaved. She was at, except for she never did a thing for anybody ever. Maybe you tell the grandmother dining or a table story. I will, but where's the character? Is what I'm saying. Where's the character?

And also, where's the character and rejecting people who disagree with? I mean, think about what character always was, was you disagree with that guy, go up, shake him or her hand, look him in the eye and say, you know, we disagree on a lot of things, but let's go have lunch. You know, that's character. But let me, let me, let me, yes, but let me explain, let me explain the sort of the difference, right? The difference is you're driving along and you see someone's broken down by the side of the

freeway and you think I should get out, help that guy push their car. or go the gas station and get them a gallon of gas and get them back on the road again or whatever. Yes, yes. But let's be honest, nobody wants to do that. I mean, nobody, you know, when a panhandler says you got five bucks, most people don't want to give them the five bucks. It doesn't help them. When you're at the charity auction and they want you to give till it hurts, that's your money, you know. Well, there are really interesting.

Okay. Drew. Yes. I'm going somewhere. Sorry. All right. So it's all the stuff you don't want to do. Yes.

You see your neighbor comes home from the hospital with a cast on his leg and you think, I'll mow your lawn this Saturday. I'll do it myself, even though it's 95 degrees outside. Okay. So all the stuff you don't want to do. And it involves getting up at 6 a.m. and making lunch for your kids. And it just keeps going and going and going.

and going, right? Yep. Okay, picking up your dog's poop when he craps on the neighbors. It's all stuff you don't want to do. But I'll tell you, people don't want to do it, but they don't want to admit they have no character and or maybe a bad person. So what they do do is they go, no, I'm not going to get out of my car and help that person push their car or go to the gas station because I don't want to do that.

But I am going to say somebody should do something about these people with their cars who need money and somebody needs to step up and Trump needs to take his billionaire buddies and take some of that money he's using for his gody ballroom and get it to these people that don't have roadworthy cars and then now I'm done and here's the good news. I feel good about myself and I never had to get out of my car and get my hands dirty. That's how it works. And that's what's going on. And people need to call these people out, but they don't. Instead, they jump on the bandwagon with them. Well, they don't see it.

It's shrouded. You have to have to have this insight to be able to see it. But, but, you know, there's no, there's no, it's not for nothing that, say, you know, recovery communities and people trying to find meaning and, you know, psychological services and things are all directed at helping another person, another one in need. not humanity, not the environment, but helping another person because that's hard. And that's what actually gives people meaningful, meaningful engagement. But there's another piece to this, too. When you really do care, it's easy to help another person. It reminds me of, like, courage.

Like, like, I was having a conversation with somebody yesterday about courage, not that, you know, when you're doing the right thing, you just feel like you're doing the right thing. It doesn't really require something called courage. It looks courageous, but you're doing it because it's right. And same thing with, like, we had a sort of a family friend who got sick recently, and we've been just dedicated to helping her. And it's does not, it's not hard. It's not that hard because we want to do it.

It's, you know, I could easily step back and talk about the health care system and how it needs to be fixed because it's not serving people. I was just dealing with the system for this person. but no, I'm helping this person. And that's really how things, I've often said, you know, saving the world is not a healthy thing. It's literally not healthy. Oh, no, listen, listen, the environment in the world

has turned into the distraction that my mom and my grandmother did with the poor indigenous people and slavery and stuff. stuff like that. It's just a side distraction that they can't come close to touching. And it's good because it's out, it's way over the horizon for them. So someone is saying, hey, there's something right in front of you that you can fix right now. And you're going, no, no, look off into the distance. Look off over the horizon. They're like, there's shit that you could do right now, right in front of you. No, no, I'm looking down the road. Our kids aren't going to have clean water by 20051. It's like, yeah, yeah, we got stuff we could do here. Yeah. That's work. Yeah.

That's now. You don't want to do it because you're low character people. And by the way, Drew, I will make you this promise. Okay. All the nice talkers. And sometimes it's just being overly nice. Like, oh, my God, Drew. Oh, my God. Those new frames? Oh, my God. God, they look amazing, amazing on you. Oh, my God. Right. All the real nice talkers and all the real sacrieney sweet people and all the people that make all the proclamations about children and seat at the table and no one's illegal. And in this family, we choose love and science and all kind of.

Per capita, they do much, way less, way less for humanity. Then the people who actually, so if you take the who does a lot, you go, okay, Elon Musk. Okay, Elon Musk, lots of innovation, lots of just lots, just a lot, with no talk about being nice and no talk about a seat at the table. You're right. Because it's all compensation for not fucking doing anything. So all the Kamala Harris talk and all the Joe Biden, you know, black and brown people don't have access. Okay, but never anything, right?

But the people that actually create, create jobs, create technology, create good, you know, the interlink or whatever it is that Elon is implanting in people's heads to take quadriplegics and give them the use of their limbs again, all that stuff, neuralink, all that, that's all good stuff. That changes lives. That changes humanity, but no talk. no talk it's never there's never any fluff talk with those guys but but adam haven't we solved the problem of added fees on luggage and lack of legroom so didn't we solve that problem by the way when i hear people with nice talk i don't trust them for this reason well isn't it doesn't it go down in the same category as dancing yes your intro goes to the same place ellen and bill casby all right we'll take quick break be right back after

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All right, so, Drew, you were talking about gyno-fascism. Well, no, I wanted you to tell the story again, but your grandmother on the dinergram table. It's quick. It's such a good illustration. I'm going to send, I'm doing this because I'm being efficient. I'm sending Andrew, I want Andrew to look for a like tweet with Kamala Harris talking about. how she did in the election from, I don't know, two hours ago.

Yeah, my grandmother, I mean, I've told you guys, but at some point I told her I bought a big house on the hill. And her response was her maid Delia didn't have a dining room table. That was her response, except for it's her maid. So she can pay her maid more. but and then her maid well I'll tell you what she can do she can go to Ferguson's furnishings and buy her maid a dining room table and have it delivered to her apartment for you know $189 if she saw fit I mean if she really cared about okay does she care about her maid

not having a dining room table if the answer is yes then she could go buy a dining room table and have it delivered to her home because that was well within my grandmother's means. My grandmother wasn't a rich person, but she had enough money saved up from working from the VA and retirement funds and state city job and stuff. She had plenty of money to give away. She had more and enough for a dining room table for Delia. Her response to my big house was Delia doesn't have a dining room table, which is one way to nullify me and what I'm doing, too, some sort of weird, rich, affluent thing with me in my house, but then see, it alleviates her burden of having to buy a dining room table for her mate. It reminds me of your mom, again,

another similar character type, and the champagne, which reminds me also of everything I saw writ large when I was visiting Victoria, British Columbia. This is how they are. Yeah, well, listen, my thing is is, is buying. a house or don't buy a house, just don't tell me about your employee not being able to afford a dining room table and expecting me to internalize that. And didn't you end up paying for her employee ultimately? I ended up sort of periodically paying for everybody for everything. Yeah. New roofs for their house and, you know, that sort of thing. I'm sure you got nothing of gratitude and thanks. All gratitude. I paid for a new roof for the house of my ex's mom,

the one who took my retirement account. Yeah. Yeah, I got her mom a new house. Or new, what are you talking about it? A new roof. Yeah, yeah, it's character. It's a character thing. And people don't, people don't explore it in themselves. No, you know, we used to talk about it. Remember, during the Clinton era, I remember people were like, like character, character. This guy's got not guy character. And little did we know where we would end up. It is really a time to have the conversation about these sorts of issues.

I think people would feel better, right? It would be for them. I agree. The problem is, is character is the diet and exercise to the OZMPIC. Yes, yes. So everyone wants the shot. Nobody wants the calisthenics. And it's too tough for them.

It's too tough. They don't have it. And they should be working on developing it, but instead of working on developing it, they're working on sidestepping it. Yeah. And by the way, they sidestep it, as we've talked about, Drew, they sidestep it by creating some sort of avatar of a caring person who works really hard and cares about the environment, cares about Delia and her table,

and cares about the indigenous people. and takes care of our kids and takes care of our family and gives and loves. You know, they create this edifice. They create this character of this person that's a good person, and then they can sidestep the character issues. Well, same thing with smart, man. It's exact same thing because you can declare yourself smart. Then you don't have to work at building your intelligence.

You don't have to worry about. You're smart, man. All right. So in the gyno-fascism department, I'll play you. I'll play Kamala Harris because it's an interesting thing because Kamala Harris is on a tour now, selling a book, sitting down, and it's interesting, Drew, because it's a subject I have brought up for a long time, which is it is this. Let's see. All right. So what I'm saying is this, Drew.

she started her book tour you know six weeks ago right and in that part she sort of started of well what coulda shoulda with the election maybe if I had more time blah blah blah she's now being interviewed six weeks later as if she won wow but all right let's just listen let's just listen sorry was aware of my I was aware of my opponent's strategy and I wasn't about to fall prey or fall into those traps

and part of his strategy and those around him was to try and take me off our game and message and I wasn't about to be distracted by those little those planes that he was trying to throw to get me away from one of my highest priority, which was talking to people about the economy and their well-being in terms of their financial

well-being. And that's, so I was, I understood the game that was being played. And I made a decision that I wasn't going to get played. Oh, yeah. You lose, girl. You go, I mean, go, girl. All right, you can pause it. She's talking to black women.

Well, she's talking to black women. All right, so the point is, is she lost the election. Yeah. She's talking, if that was a football coach after the game, you'd want, oh, they obviously won the game, right? Because you'd be sitting up there going, oh, well, they tried the onside kick, but I was ready for them. Yeah, you lost 38 to 9.

No, she's even going for it. They played dirty, but I wasn't about to play dirty with them. I don't know, Drew. I think you just, I think you just did your weird shit on my point thing there. But no, they tried something, you know, and I didn't fall for it. But you lost. You wouldn't think that's, that's not how you talk when you lose. No.

Is what, is what I'm saying. You can go back to Drew on the full screen. She's claiming some weird high ground, some weird high ground. I know what she, I think, yes, she is claiming a high ground, but what she's also doing, But what she's also doing is, I've said this a million times, Drew, it's satiated. Yes, yes. She feels at this point, if you got hold of her two years from now, she'd say she won the election. Do you know what I mean?

Like, it's just go, this is what I've been talking about this for you, my adult life. I go, just because you called the cable company doesn't mean the cables back on. Yes. You didn't get hold of anybody. Right. they never called you back. And that was four weeks ago. Yes.

But it feels like something. So she can sit there in front of three women and smugly laugh and preen at the person who won the election that she lost. And they're all nodding and laughing. Oh, yes, you did. Oh, he tried. But it didn't work, except for it did work. That's a, okay. that kind of governance is bad.

Oh, yes. And that's what we have in L.A., and that's Chick-Think. You understand? That's multiple meetings with ambassadors of the homeless community and zero progress. I'm so distracted by the callback to an L.A. Times article written about you and I from 1997, where I'm smugly preening. That's not the L.A. Times. Wasn't the Times? What was it?

oh i'll tell you in the next show tom shales right was that yeah but i don't think it was i mean he's a syndicated columnist okay i don't think it was the time maybe it appeared in the times i don't think it appeared in the times but it was tom shales who has the pollets i mean he was very highly regarded all right tonight austin texas cap city comedy club brian callan's going to be on stage with me as well and then uh los angeles on saturday why shouldn't i work on a weekend Drew. The upstairs is where I'll be doing stand-up. I have some guests coming with me as well. Drew, what do you got? Add DRDRD-R-D-R-D-W on X and DR Drew Pinsky on Instagram. So, until next time, I'm Crow for Dr. San. Mahala.

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