The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2054 - Zohran Mamdani Wins: Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew React

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Adam kicks off the show with a philosophical question for Dr. Drew about how people on the left and right react differently to the news. The guys discuss blatantly biased news organizations that insist they’re objective, how women often act as the gatekeepers of gossip and culture, and wrap up by talking about Zohran Mamdani’s win in the New York mayoral election.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's been fortified with iron. it's all fortified oh my god it's all a lie everything was a lie well not just a lie it's something you pointed out long ago it was all a product of Madison Avenue yeah and when you really start to see the way they were able to manipulate and push

and create realities that didn't exist it's just everywhere I know I know but they got the government involved yes and number one and then what it did is it gave way to people on the other side creating their own lies and exaggerations to sort of counter it. So that's where you got pot.

Pot's good for you. What do you mean, Reaver Madness? It's good. Pot is good. And, you know, eat the box. The lucky charms came in and be more, it would be healthier to eat the box. It came in. And so you got this extreme other side of it.

You know what I'm wondering, Drew? Here's a thought for you. Dig. Dig. The left and folks that I grew up with went so hard extreme the other way, sort of like microwaves would give you cancer and color TV would give you cancer. Pillows were bad for your posture and like everything, everything. They were wrong about everything, but that's what they were at, right?

Yeah, yeah. I wonder if those people now hear somebody talking about Ivermectin or something and go, oh, they're just lying about that stuff to get there. Like, oh, you mean like you guys lied the whole time? Like you lie about climate. You do nothing but lie about climate change. That's all you do is lie. So then somebody comes out and they start talking.

talking about masks aren't effective or Ivermectin or whatever the latest, you know, January 6th, you know, whether that thing is. I go, that's just fake news. They're just creating that thing. I mean like what you guys are doing? Because that is what you're doing. It is interesting how one side jumps to lying rather than distorting or misrepresenting or getting it wrong.

No, they're lying. Right. Right. Always lying. And that to me is a weird place to be. but your first assumption is lying i i will tell you the liars do all the accusing of lying yeah they do always accuse others of lying that's what they do yeah uh you know it's always funny too it's like when this latest scandal and the bbc is out cooking tapes of trump and then

when they interview the executive they're like no we're not biased yeah i know it's weird right I don't know. They believe it. They believe it. That's the thing. They believe they're not. Somebody, look, that's, I'm, I had to, it's weird you would bring this up because I was wondering, God, what does it like to be in the newsroom with Barry Weiss in charge at

CBS now? Is she pointing out the bias to them? Are they coping to it? How does that go down? You know what I mean? It's fascinating to me. I'll tell you what's going on. You want to know what's going on?

At CBS or just generally? In general, with the bias. Okay. Yes, right. We've all, I'll circle back to Chick-Think. Now. All roads lead to Chick-Think. We all have observed and or no and maybe have seen,

and maybe in our own lives, I don't know. But you have the parent, and it's the mom. And the mom clearly favors one kid over the other kid. maybe the mom favors the boy over the girl or whatever and you know the girl shows up and she's five minutes late for dinner and the mom's all up all up in her right screaming at her you know how hard I work now the food's cold and blah blah blah two days later the boy shows up 15 minutes later and it's like I made your favorite it's meatloaf and peas and mashed potatoes right and you observe it right yeah and you go clearly she seems to be treating the boy differently than the

girl said the girl's always on her last nerve she's always the guy she so gives so much slack and leeway too right okay fine pull that woman aside and interview her what do you think she says oh she's she's just equally she loves her kids equally treats them equally what are you talking about There's no room for that. And then she would go, you know what she would say? She would go, sure, sometimes I'm a little tough on the girl because I see a lot of her, young me and her, and I don't want her to get into trouble. I do that.

But it does not affect the way I treat them. It does not affect it. It's like, sure, we all hate Trump, but that doesn't stop us from doing our jobs with dignity. And it's like, bitch, yes, it does. does because you can't help it. Yeah. Right. And if you interviewed that mom, she'd say the exact same thing.

It's like, look, sure. Sometimes she gets on my nerves, the young girl, but you know what? I treat them equally. It's case by case. And I would never let that interfere in my parenting. And I would. And I don't think she thinks she's lying. Oh, no.

She can't control herself. And that's what's going on in the news. If you play the tape? She'd be in denial about it. Well, you'd play her the tape of you guys cooking up Trump's speech on J6. Or I'll share the tape of you yelling at your daughter for being late for dinner and not saying anything, son. And you'd say, look, I agree, that was not right. But I do not treat them any differently.

That you'd go right back to it. Yes, that's the weird thing. They're not horrified by it. They acknowledge it, and even they go, I need to step down from my job or whatever. But don't you for one minute think that's what takes place in this house? No, it's called a doubling down phenomenon. That's what people do. You're absolutely correct.

Yeah, she just. Cognitive bias, man. The head of the BBC News woman just basically explained that, yeah, the tape was not correct, but do not think there's any bias. And I was like, well, how did, why did you guys cook a tape then if there's no bias? right and men are quite capable of this too it's oh yeah you know it's not exclusively no i think women can compartmentalize it i here's what i think back to the parent metaphor i would say if you talk to most dads in that same situation

they'd go maybe i'm a little tougher on the boy yeah because he's got to get out in that world and it's tough out there. And yes, maybe I raised my voice a little bit too much to him. And, you know, I love him. But, yeah, okay, maybe I'm a little bit tougher on him because, you know, I just want him to, you know, have it, have the ethic, the work ethic. You got to be a little tough out there. Yeah, like, they would do it.

Now they go, I love my kids. I love them equally. But yes, maybe you're right. This happened. yeah women would go it never happened and if it did happen it's not because of anything well you're getting to something really interesting here and um yeah and i think that it's that has been my experience that women do compartmentalize more uh it makes me wonder if it's a way of sort of forgetting the pain of child bearing or child delivering that kind of thing like they can

they can the brain does that as a way of surviving to make sure they can reproduce again otherwise if they really remembered what happened or at childbirth, they would never do it again. So that's kind of interesting. I wonder if that's the innate part of it, right? Or if there's something, I don't have a good answer for this one, but, but, you know, women are the, they're the keepers of gossip and culture. And I'm guessing if they really appreciated how some of the gossip hurt other people, that would be a little bit tough

so they have to compartmentalize that too. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, I think the compartmentalization is a thing. Men do it. Don't get me wrong. I've seen men do it too. But I've certainly been my experience that women really do it.

And they're not aware of it at all. No, I think, and then you get to a sort of corporate level, corporate news, BBC. You know, you bring it into the political world and stuff like that. don't have any they don't have any thoughts about it and it's it's interesting and that's why you see this over and over again where they go yes we did this heinous hatchet job on this

editing but no there is no bias i think it's everywhere it's it's just sort of human condition Well, Human Condition now, have you heard of that book, The Fourth Turning? No. It's called The Fifth Turning, Fourth Turning. It is essentially a book about how every 80 years, a generation comes around that kind of resets things. Yeah. And he thinks ultimately it's a good thing, but when you're in the middle of it, it doesn't feel very great. And I kind of feel like we're in the middle of all that.

Have we talked about New York City and Dombin and all that stuff? Not really. That's going to be an interesting. series of events, you know, and you would like that he appointed only females to his transition team. I was yelling about that. When he did his, when he did his speech, he had five women standing behind him, zero men. And then when he rattled off, who's going to be city controller and who's going to be set deputy mayor or who's going to be in charge of his cabinet, whatever is this woman, woman, woman, woman, which he thinks, first off, it's not a coincidence

in a world where women are outnumbered by men that you would get five women in your cabinet and then stopped talking. By the way, he named five women and then stopped. You know, that was it. It's intentional, and he looks at it is progressive. And he looks at it as a step toward the light, and he looks at it how you would have looked at it in 2000, which is this is progress. I would have. And, you know, you get the woman of color and you get the Asian woman, and it's all there. And then it's a shit show. But this is how they do it.

This is how the professional leg crossing class does it. they surround themselves with women they also it's smart because it gives you a certain amount of protection because if it's a woman or woman of color the press and whomever doesn't go doesn't go after them with the same ferocity that they would a white heterosexual male same ferocity not at all right well pretty much not at all except for we're now getting used to it to the point where Karen Bass is a woman of color and she's a shitty mayor and you can say shitty things about her because it's been long enough, you know, there's enough. You couldn't really do it with Lori Lightfoot of Chicago back in the day because it was kind of a novelty,

you know. Now once women of major blue cities, once the mayors outnumber the men, which they probably do now, now they're sort of fair gameish. But, you know, You have to take it easy on them in his cabinet. So, yes. I mean, you should be happy. They won't get as much done, maybe. Maybe all these policy ideas will never get excused. Well, there could be a lot of satiation talk.

Yeah, yeah. Andrew wrote me a note on my screen that says Google AI overview has a different interpretation, a gyno fascism. I don't know what that means, but I'm sort of curious about it. Yeah, me too. it's a term that's only recently started getting used and it's used to the tongue and cheek to be fair yeah i'm not really using it that tug it tonnet no i know because i think it's hurting society gynofascism is not a standard term but likely refers to a combination of misogyny and fascist

ideology or the opposition to gender equality within far right and authoritarian movements. Huh? Does that make sense to you? No. So it's saying it's not a standard term, but it refers to a combination of misogyny and fascist ideology. Hmm. Or the opposition to gender equality with far right.

It's always far right. Can never just be right, can't it? Far right in authoritarian movements. It can also describe historical fascist policies that confined women to domestic and reproductive roles. I like that you're confined to domestic roles. I wish someone would confine me to a domestic role so I wouldn't have to fucking get on a flight every weekend. Or contemporary efforts to resist the rights of women and, gender minority.

Why does that say minorities? Gender minorities under a right-wing populist framework, huh? Yeah. Well, that's nothing like what people are using it at all. No, but that's why you got to have Google everyone so you can get to the truth about nothing. Yeah. So Megan Dawn was the first time I heard it used, I think, and they were trying to analyze, you know, what the consequence were and the motivations are.

of some of these things we're seeing and, you know, what's motivating women in certain situations. And then I saw the ultimate sort of interpretation of this through the eyes of an evolutionary biologist who was saying, this is all a reproductive strategy to get at high value men and discourage the rest of the population from competing for those same men. All right. Well, take a quick break right back with Dr. Drew right after this. The perfect gene. I hate stiff, uncomfortable jeans. It never fit right.

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All right. Drew's over there, Palm Springs, California. Yeah. We're talking about everything under the sun. What else you got, Drew? Let me think for a second here because there's just so much stuff going on. I guess what I was thinking about a minute ago was this, and that gyno-fascism quote or definition sort of made me think about this,

which is this idea of authoritarianism and populism and charismatic leaders. I mean, that's how I would describe Mobbami, right? I would describe him as that and they would describe Trump as that and I don't know what we're into now I don't know and I'm kind of scared by the phenomenon of charismatic

well let's let's see we can break down charismatic leader for a second Drew yeah I don't think Trump is inherently charismatic.

So what's charismatic? Yeah. Charismatic is a combination and a sort of balance of a kind of a physical and a sort of mental and verbal. Yes. And it's sort of...

And presentation. Yeah, verbal. Presentation. It's kind of unspoken. It's a genesisqua. People try to define it, right? There's studies. Yeah, there's no, well, there's no real defining it.

It's like when you're nice looking and your delivery is nice and you have a sort of nice affect, you usually default becomes sort of charismatic. Yeah. And then I think a lot of it is 10,000 hours. You know, it's enough time in front of people that you sort of have a, you develop a skill with it. And then, to me, this is the part that's. Gary, just telling people whatever they want. Well, somewhere they want to hear.

That's where it gets weird. Yeah, but see, this is, I mean, so, but here's the point. Yeah. It's not really 10,000 hours because it's a sort of a, that guy's got it. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more it than it is, I've been working at this for a long time.

Yeah, fair enough. It's a kind of a, it's it's what they call it. and Trump doesn't manifest that and not traditionally no first things first though I hear people say in person he manifest that well that's that's kind of how you know him now yeah yeah um you you know him closer than I do you spend a celebrity apprentice it's hard okay let's break it down it's hard to have it. It's harder to have it if you're heavy or heavier. Some of it is a physicality.

Like Obama, a fat Obama wouldn't really fly. It would be fine, but it wouldn't be what it is. It's a physicality. And I'll say the same thing about Newsom and I'll say the same thing about Mandami. A sort of balding, heavier, Jowley version of them is not going to work. So there is an aesthetic. So when you go,

Mendami has charisma, but Trump doesn't really have charisma, not as we know it. He's not going to be a movie star. No one's ever going to cast him in any role without knowing he's Trump. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

So it's not a physical thing. And his speaking style is very odd too. No, I'm saying it's not, he isn't, I'm going to argue and maybe it's, maybe this is just sort of self-indulgent or gratifying or whatever, you know, whatever that thing is. Maybe I'm blowing sunshine up my own ass here. But I would, I would argue that Kamala Harris is much more charismatic than Donald Trump. Trump. Okay. But her messaging is horrible. Yeah. Now, you look, George Clooney is very charismatic, but if he just got up to the microphone and went blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, he would lose that status. Yes. Right? Now, Obama doesn't say anything. I mean, he really

doesn't. He just doesn't say anything, but he's charismatic. And if you're charismatic, and your cadence and your tone, tone and cadence, and then aesthetic is right, then we can get by. We can get by with that. Kamala Harris visually, tonally, and sort of just all, and the way she sits, the way she walks, the way she moves her hands, her gestures, and stuff like that. I would argue has more charisma than Donald Trump, but Donald Trump has. tons of messaging. Yes.

Right? And so Jordan Peterson has no charisma. But it's all messaging. Yeah. Which is fine. Ben Shapiro doesn't have a lot of charisma. He has a lot of messaging. Content, yeah.

A lot of content. Yeah. And so what's going on is Gavin Newsome doesn't say anything, but he has a lot of charisma. Jordan Peterson doesn't have a lot of charisma, but says everything. Now, we have to vote. What we're doing now is when they take, when they do the experiment, Drew, and I've said it a million times. They do the experiment with the six-year-olds, right?

Show them a picture of George Clooney in a pilot's outfit and then show him a fat guy in a pilot's outfit and go, who do you want flying the plane? Yeah. And they go, I want that guy, George Clooney, flying the plane. You go, what if I told you who had a little less experience than the fat guy? They'd go, I don't know. I still like that guy. At some point, you go, what if I told me I had no fucking experience and he's drunk right now? And they'd still go, I'll take that guy.

That's what the women under the age of 30, that's why they voted in the low 80s for Mamdami in New York. Yeah. The message is horrible, but they're literally like watching TV with the soundouts. going, I like that guy. And that's what we're dealing with. It wasn't horrible. It wasn't horrible. And they bought it.

They bought it. I'll give you put the shit for free. I mean, you're right. They bought it, but they wouldn't buy it from a middle-aged balding fat guy, is what is what I'm saying. But you're, you're right. They did. They were, they were disposed to embracing something that they knew.

They must have known, on some, at least the majority of them must have known, this is never going to work. Yes. So now Trump is not charismatic, but he is in the sense that he pushes the agenda and he blows sunshine and he makes people feel sort of proud to be an American and stuff. And I'm not saying there's not some smoke and hokom to what he's doing. But I'm saying charismatic, he is not. He's a million other things. And maybe we need to change our definition of. charismatic but if you were if you're casting a politician in a movie and this guy and and the script says a super charismatic guy you do not cast Trump no no you wouldn't put somebody looks like him but or acts like him even or talks like him but that's kind of you know I mean I read my history I I the one of the scariest histories ever if you read about the details of Lenin's ascension to power just a hateful shitwad who believed his

view of the world was the only way to go. And he was a charismatic leader. And people get persuaded by charisma or they get a fall into the sort of hypnotic spell of people. And bad shit happens when we do that. And again, I'm certain people argue that, oh, that's what's happening with Trump. To your, to Adam's point, I'm not sure it's the same thing. I mean, it may be a populist sort of reaction where people are angry about stuff and this guy's going to fix things for me. and someone we're almost like i think i think the the trump voter is closer to randy on south park who's like hey he looks like me man he sounds like me he talks like me he's going to do something for me i'm being shit on all the time he's going to help me as opposed to mom dony who looks like

we're going to save the world man together we're going to do this part of the people humanity right that's a that's a wild difference in my humble opinion right and the If you really break it down, Trump is saying, I want to lower taxes. Pragmatic, right? You can let me finish what I'm saying, Drew, and I'm yelling in the middle of it. I'd like to yell. He says, I'd like the lower taxes. I'd like the lower regulation.

So what is he saying? I would like you freed up to go do stuff. Yes. I want you to be freed up. So you can go do stuff. He doesn't say the government's going to do it for you. Right. So the other side says the government's going to do it for you and then never arrives.

It never shows up. You know, free housing, low housing, free buses, you know, free supermarkets. Okay, it's never going to work. You want to lower my taxes and get rid of some regulation, make it smaller, make it easier for small businesses to get started. I'm all about that because that's possible. The other thing you guys say is great. Great, but it's impossible.

So it's basically like somebody saying, look, here's what I can do for you, Drew. I can give you a loan. I can give it to you at a low rate, a low interest rate, and I can do it without a big down payment, and I can do it without taking the deed to your house. And you go, good. The other guy goes, I have a Pegasus that will spring. a million dollars over your house and you go well I like that better I like that better because that's better in a 2.7 APR rate you know and you go yeah I know but that's not I have to

explain to the person at the bank that's not happening yeah the other one can be done but it is but you are going to have to pay back the loan but he can give you a lower rate and and you can get started with less collateral the other one's not going to happen yeah but there's too many Dumboes who want to go home and stare up at the sky and wait for the Pegasus. Well, and it's that whole, we now we understand we can rethink everything. We can rethink policing. We can rethink mortgages. Okay, okay.

All right. I'm going to be at the upstairs in Los Angeles. That'll be tomorrow night doing stand-up. And then I'm going to be on the 21st. I guess that's November. Woodland, Woodland's Texas. Docee dough at the big barn and then Corona, California. that's on the 26th and see the camera blocks out to date so I never know what it is

but I usually figure it out uh dos lagos amphitheater j more is going to be performing there well you go to amcrow.com find all the live dates what do you got drew likewise go to dr.com everything's there yeah December well the problem with November and december they have the same five last letters push and pull No, I can't see the front of the thing. November 21st, that's at the docee dough big barn, and then December 6th. That'll be chronic. So, until next time, I'm Crow for Dr. Drew. Say it. Mahala.

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