The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2071: ICE and the Thought Police + Jeremy Barker on his Murphy Door Empire Pt. 1

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Adam and Dr. Drew open the show by discussing young people with no respect for law enforcement and the recent ICE shooting. They dive into how media and Hollywood celebrities are handling illegal immigration controversies surrounding ICE. Dr. Drew then unloads on the "language police" who obsess over politically incorrect words, calling the whole phenomenon complete lunacy.Jeremy Barker then joins Adam and Dr. Drew! Jeremy Barker is a serial entrepreneur and inventor who founded Murphy Door, a Utah-based leader in hidden-door furniture that’s grown into a multimillion-dollar brand, and Murphy Ladder, a patented collapsible storage solution. He also created Purebrand, a peer-powered platform rewarding authentic customer feedback to connect brands with real users. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. Get it on. Dr. Drew is a board certified physician, Dixon Medicine Specialist. Dr. Drew is over there in New York City, normally in the studio here, but it's been traveling at his home studio. Indeed. In New York City now, Drew, what's on your mind?

So I just was noting a ex post from Barack Obama, and I thought it caught my attention. He's talking about some of the situation in Minneapolis. and he says the following. It should be a wake-up call to every American, regardless of a party, that many of our core values as a nation are increasingly under assault. And I thought, well, yes,

but I don't think he meant it the way I think about it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, yes, he's absolutely correct. I think I adopt that phrase as factually true, but it doesn't get at, for instance, From my perspective, it's like, yes, you're right. Their core values in the Constitution under assault.

So states can do whatever they want. People can attack federal buildings. There's no immigration policy in this country. That seems like it's under assault. Been under assault for a while. I agree with him. Is there such a thing is Barack Obama or any mainstream sort of Democrat ever saying anything that's halfway sensible

where you just sort of go like, yeah, yeah, that's common sense? You know what Obama goes, look, here's what Obama could do. Listen, I deported a lot of people. Clinton deported a lot of people. It's our job to deport people. It's the law. You can change the law if you want, but we're sort of in charge of the law. ICE is not your enemy.

But neither's the TSA. You know, we live in a time where there's dangerous people out there. And we have rules. and we follow those rules. And when you go to the airport, you might have to take your shoes off and you don't like it. And I don't like it. And you're not a shoe bomber and you're not a terrorist. But safety is kind of a thing.

And we have rules. And I'm sorry about the inconvenience. And ICE is there for a reason. And borders are here for a reason and rules are here for a reason. And these guys are out enforcing this stuff. When you have something on this scale, there will be instances of, of the wrong people being detained. There'll be instances of somebody getting hurt.

There'll be instances of everything. But we will try to minimize all of that. And if you're an American citizen, you have nothing to fear. And if you're here legally, you have nothing to fear. And so why don't we just step back and let these people do their job? And if somebody has been wronged or detained or illegally had their, you know, had their constitutional rights trampled upon. We have a very robust court system.

God knows there are plenty of lawyers who are willing to jump on these cases. And don't worry, we will work it out. Now go home. Yeah. But can't. They can't do it. But in the meantime, they create lots of, I mean, danger. As you've said repeatedly, these young males with anxious,

feeling threatened with guns with firearms, just listen to what they tell you. stand down. Well, also, it is, you know what the funny part is? It's all the Democrats who now are agitating to defund ICE, right? There's a funny thing. And by the way, I will explain this whole thing, how it all works. Back to Chick-Think.

But here's the deal. The Democrats that do this, you know the word they use? Lawlessness, this lawlessness. We're not going to fund this lawlessness. But the lawlessness they speak of is ice, not people in the street throwing trash cans and setting shit on fire and attacking Ramada ends. That's not lawlessness. Right. The guys in the uniform with the badges who are doing the job the Congress mandated them to do, that's lawless in their opinion.

You understand? You know what they're doing that? The supremacy clause requires that the law of the land be just. And so they're going to try to make the case that the Supremacy Clause doesn't apply because of ICE excesses or that ICE shouldn't exist or something. Something about it is going to be judicially undermined. And then suddenly the Supremacy Clause, if people know it was Pirmacy Clause, maybe you can put it up, Andrew. Supremacy Clause is essentially the law of the land is set, the supreme law of the land is set by the federal government, period. And, but it has to be deemed just.

And so there's some language like that in the supremacy clause. And I think they're trying to build a case that way. I will say what I said on my podcast, which is their argument is the supremacy clause found in Article 6. Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution establishes that the Constitution, the screen's moving around. That's why I'm not, I'm not that battery. Estabishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties, okay, Drew, why'd you make me do this in the middle of this? All right. The Crimson, Claude, Federal Article 6th, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution established that the Constitution, federal laws,

pursue it to it and treaties are the supreme law of the land it mandates that state judges and officials are bound by federal law meaning that in any conflict between federal and state the federal law takes precedence all right and are we not engaged in sort of that situation i will say this a couple things you can get rid of the screen um first things first you know people they make this argument, and I was talking about this on my podcast, where they go, well, 70% of the people being rounded up aren't violent criminals. So one argument, let's just put it to, I'll put it to you this way, Drew. Can we do this? If you talk to Tom Holman, he says 70% of the people being rounded up are violent criminals, rapists, murders, arsonists with a criminal background.

That's who are rounding up. 70%. And then 30% are just, you. people here illegally, right? Now, if you talk to Mark Ruffalo or whomever Hollywood idiot, they then say, well, no, it's 70% people here illegally are being rounded up in 30%. They don't say and 30%. They just go, it's not 70% violent criminals, it's 70% people that are here illegally without papers. Okay. All right, let, why don't we do this as a thought experiment, right? Why don't we announce that maybe Pam Bondi's exaggerating in one direction and maybe

Mark Ruffalo is exaggerating in another direction. Okay. So why don't we just call it 50%? We'll just meet in the middle. 50% of the people that rounding up are violent criminals with a history. Okay? Does that sound good? Is that okay with you, Drew? Now we're down to half. What if it's only 45%?

My thing is, is good. And then who are the other percent? Are they here with visas and passports and papers doing jobs Americans won't do? Or they also hear illegally? So we have two categories. We have people here illegally, argue over the percentage. And we have people here illegally that are criminals, violent, argue over the percentage. I'm a little bit pragmatic in old-fashioned.

Drew, I say, good. Get all of those people and get rid of them. How about that? Which is what we've always done? Right. And then their other argument, which is semi-retarded, is like, well, more people are killed here by American citizens. They're more violent. They try to pitch this white guys are killing more people than it, which is always laughable if you look at any kind of FBI crime statistics. It's insane how little killing white people do versus people of color. But they try to pitch that as well. But fine. So Drew, you go, well, listen, out of every 100,000 white people there are, there's only 20 that are killing people. Okay. And then your argument is out of 100,000 illegals, there's only 14 that are killing people.

My thing is, I'm going to call that 14 too many. Yeah. The white people and the people that are here that are born here, well, they're here, and we have to deal with them. These other people... Do with them differently. But the other people don't need to be here. Right.

So if you find the daughter that was raped and killed by the illegal, you can find solace in knowing that that normally happens at a lower percent. Like your daughter probably would have been killed by a guy named Chet down the road at some point. But this is a rare case where they legal. So these are both retarded arguments. I would argue no people from foreign soils coming here and killing. That would be the best result, not a lower percentage than Americans. You know, another thing that caught my eye is the language police are out big time these days.

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, there's a, Scott Jennings on CNN was starting to use the word illegal aliens. And people went absolutely apeshit. And I thought, yeah, that's so interesting. The language, control the language, control the language. And then I thought, why don't we just call them IAs? That's all?

Just use, you know, what the French call them is clandestine immigrants. You like that word better? Clandestine sound better. You know what I mean? It's just, we've gotten into this weird, The language police phenomenon is exposing itself for what it is. Lunacy, right? It's just to control you.

So you have to talk the way I tell you to talk. And that is insane, if you really think about it. Yeah. Well, it's all meant to win an argument that you don't have the evidence to win. Tell me your grandmother. My grandmother would. tell you how to pronounce everything. And it would always get you on your heels.

And but it's also... We had clitoris, right? Wasn't that the one that she... Well, she said it was clitoris. Latest and greatest? Yeah. But look, the whole point is, is when you start drilling down on the verbiage, it usually means you're losing the argument, you know?

And if you... By the way, how would you feel about... If somebody said clitoris or clitoris, interrupting them and you'd say clitoris, I would feel so weird interrupting somebody and correcting their language. I don't even, if someone calls me Allen, I don't stop them because I understand what they're talking about. Yes. And I'm not here to interrupt whatever they're saying. It's the most grandiose narcissistic impulse to erode, to intrude on another person's language, speech. It's crazy.

I know. It's weird and narcissistic and grandiose. I agree. But it's also on the left, it's meant to control the conversation. Because if you think about it, if you think about the sort of word salad of the left, like you think about Kamala Harris and you think about Gavin Newsom and you think about George Soros Jr. I mean, that guy's speech. Did you hear that guy's? No, I didn't hear it.

Okay, so here's what it is, Drew. Are you ready? Yeah. What if you had to speak, but you didn't really have anything to say? Right. But you didn't want to come across like a bumpkin. You would fill it with lots of buzzwords and catchphrases and things of that nature, which you'll hear Gavin Newsom do and you'll hear Kamala Harris do constantly.

But they're really not saying anything, but you want to come off. as sort of an erudite and educated and things of that nature. So if you listen to Soros' son give us speech, I mean, we'll just do the first 45 seconds. He has no idea what he's talking about at all. And it's kind of scary because he's sitting in a symposium and a panel with other deep leg crossers of their time. and he's going to tell us what's going on. And you tell me if he says anything.

Now, also, Drew, here's the caveat. If you have really bad ideas and your performance is for shit, then you better have a good rap. You know what I mean? I'm just thinking about how when you're doing your carpentry work or you're doing, you know, construction, imagine not being clear with what you were communicating. communicating pragmatically. Well, also, you paid me up front and full to put on a pool house,

and it's been two years and I've done nothing, right? And then you come to me and you say, what's going on to pool house? And I go, I find it deeply problematic. And I also feel attacked, and I feel threatened. And I feel problematic. And by the way, you asked me where my Latino help was. It's latinks. Okay? Meanwhile, I'm just talking because you've got nothing. You've given me all the money and you have nothing. And so I need to listen to what Soros Jr., I keep calling.

Listen to what he sounds like. I don't think technology is the fundamental issue in democracy. Democracy is messy. I mean, you know, democracy is about contestation of ideas. It's about plurality. It's about people having different truths, actually. Now, fundamentally, how society lives together civically in those contestations is obviously,

is obviously, you know, quite, you know, quite tricky. But I think that if we play too much on this disinformation card, we're taking responsibility away from ourselves to actually create a narrative that inspires people to vote and to believe, you know, in, in democracy and democratic. All right. Pause.

I have no idea what he said. I love the head nodding. Oh, let me tell you something. Mr. Soros. Hot chicks get a lot of head nodding when they're not making sense. And billionaires get a lot of head nodding when they're not making any sense. You understand? Wow.

Yes, I do. Those are the two subjects of our head nodding. I love the guy's nodding his head. That was 51 seconds, Drew. I have no idea what that retard said. Do you? But he used a lot of big. specifically and obviously and necessarily.

So, okay. Well, you know, I want to coach everyone up about language police. One of the prime examples of that was that gynecologist in front of Congress who wouldn't answer Josh Holly's questions about male and female men and women. Female doctor, right? Yeah. She's a gynecologist.

I want to caution everybody. Don't enter the frame. Don't get into it. with them, understand what they're doing. She is trying to catch you in this soup of language. Here's what you do not use men and women anymore. Don't use that word, those words. Male and female. Male mammal, female mammal. Do they exist? Male mammals create many small gametes. Female mammals create one large gamete. I thought it was gamite. In the word correct. That's what I heard. I didn't pay a lot of dent.

in high school, but I always thought it was called a gamite. No, gamete. Well, hold on a second, Drew. Sorry. You what? All right. Challenge me. I will challenge you in that.

My whole life, it was the Cannes Film Festival. And then it became the Cannes film festival because people got tired. Hey, do you remember Peking? Yeah. It went, the Can film festival started Cannes, then it became Khan. And then once everyone started saying con, it went back to Cannes. because they have to have dominion over you. And if you're pronouncing it right, they have to correct you.

So they have to switch back and forward depending. But I swear to God, I heard gamite when I was in high school. G-A-M-E-T-E, I think it is. But maybe somebody pronounces. Hey, by the way, there's a weird thing where generations, I noticed this with physician colleagues, that they developed their own pronunciation. Sure, that's what I'm saying.

Just to sort of stamp their shit on things. and it's just, and then they switch, you know, like, Jakob Kreutzfeld disease became Kreutzfeld-Dakab disease. Right, right, right. It's ours now. We just switch the names around. Do one of those pronunciation things on gamete or gamite. I want to know what the pronunciation computer says.

Anyway, continue. Sorry, Drew. I did to you what my grandmother does to me. But just beware the language police. No one has any right to tell you how to pronounce things or how to say things or what you should be thinking. But you've got to understand what they're hauling you into. Well, hold on.

I'm sorry. Let me just say this. When Barry Weiss wants to do something with me and Mike August says, Bari Weiss wants to do something with you. And I say, Mike, it's Barry Wise. I think I do have the right to correct him. Now, Mike will not correct himself. He says, Barry, who cares?

I say, well, she cares. So, but anyway, that's her name. So Drew, when you say no one should ever correct you on how to pronounce something, that's untrue. I mean, there can be names. As a, just a clarification for somebody, I don't want you to embarrass yourself if you're mispronouncing your name. I just found out that Jack Posobic is Jack Posobic at the Scott Adams funeral. You never corrected anybody.

All right, so gamite and gamete, let's figure this out, sorry. All right, what's it say? We have the info. We'll hear it. Andrew, have it. Gamete. It had to be that you talked.

I know, I know. I know, of course. Gamete. Gamete, you're right. Drew's right. There's no gamite. It's a gamete. Well, be that as it may, it is mammal.

Mail makes lots of small gametes. female make one large one. That's how it works. That's what the system is. That's how mammals function. There is male and there is female. That's it. And once you start putting man and woman in there,

they want to talk about gender, where gender comes from, and it's fluid and it's societally. Okay, fine. Have a good time. In the meantime, there's this thing called biology. And it exists. Right.

And that's it. That's it. It exists. If it didn't exist, I could not practice medicine. Right. We're talking about sperm and egg. Thank you.

Permanab. A gynecologist, look at female, you're a gentle tract. And then they go, well, there's such a thing as men that aren't, don't respond to testosterone. We used to call it testicular feminization. Yes, there are all sorts of rare outlying pathologies in biology that run afoul of the way the system's supposed to work. And it proves, it actually proves the primary system. In other words, if you know now that if testosterone has a receptor, that's how it does

its work on the biology. And if it doesn't have a receptor, you don't even develop that way. So I think this is part of a bigger thing and less about males and females and that. Because if you really think about it, it doesn't affect anybody and nobody. they don't know what they're talking about. And they're, they're sort of arguing against gravity. And they're just,

it's never, it's never going to work. But it's part of a bigger argument, which is down is up and up is down. And I can convince these people of anything all the time. And it's part of a general, if you go, look,

I would like to break down and destroy society as we know it. Okay. Well, okay. Okay. But let's figure, let's, let's, let's do a little mind game here.

Okay. I would like to destroy society. society as we know it. Okay. How do we set about to do that? Well, what if we got rid of all building materials? It'd be like, okay, that's something. And like, what if we got rid of cops? All right, that would help break down society. And what if we got rid of borders? That would be helpful. Imagine there's no people. Right. All the way there. But what if we just imagine there's no men and no women and women and men and men and women, then that would really stop our society. Right?

I will not forget. I will not forget standing outside the Washington, D.C. airport, and you're going, wow, what an amazing thing that's been accomplished. They've got the Pope. The Pope. They've got everybody believes that there's no such thing as a man and a woman. That's quite a feat. But let's not forget, Drew.

I said they captured the Pope. That is incredible. They've captured Supreme Court members, only the Ditsy Broads, but they captured Supreme Court members, school teachers, principals of Harvard, or I should say presidents of Harvard, Congress people, lawyers, you know, some of the most learned people, highest educated people in the land, they have convinced a man as a woman, a woman's manner, can be. And you said that. I said it first, and then you said that.

You said, convinced. I said, no, no, better. They're not convinced. they're going along with it because they're scared, which is greater. That's the greatest thing. You know what I mean? Like I could, I have more, like let's just say you have your wife, right? Yes.

Let's just say. Let's just say you have a wife. You have a wife, Drew. And it's one thing to convince her that you won the Heisman trophy in 1973. Right. And you may be able to do that. You may be able to doctor up some photos, and she's not a big college football fan, and you show her a fake ring or trophy or something.

But you have more dominion over her if you convince her to say it at every party you go to, even though she doesn't believe it. I agree. And when you go, that's real control. She doesn't even think you won the Heisman, but she is so scared of the consequences of not saying you won the Heisman that she goes along with the lie. And that's where we're at. It's not that the Pope. It's not that the gynecologist who's in front of Congress. It's not that Kintanji Brown Jackson. They don't believe any of it either.

But they're so scared of their violent clan on that side that they go along with it. And that's the scary part. And this is how Stalin got started. This is how they all get started. bunch of cowards this is what happened with COVID no way did they believe this stuff guys were having sex with prostitutes you know what I mean like the guys who are making COVID mandates were calling over call girls don't give me this bullshit that they bought it they didn't buy it and neither did half the public but they were scared and they did their bidding and that's the scary part not that people can be convinced that they're not convinced and they go along anyway You ever heard of the Milgram experiment? Hold on. I have. Not. Oh, only because you probably brought up to me. I will take a quick break and we'll do the Milgram experiment right after this. Mint Mobile.

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So as a male psychologist, we're trying to figure out how. it was the how it happened to be that average Germans were able to be sort of brainwashed or brought to the point where they became Nazis or prison guards. And I think we've seen it in full display during COVID how that works. But okay, here we go. It's the bottom up of totalitarianism, so to speak. But they put together this experiment where they had a doctor in a white coat explain that you're going to be. be doing a behavioral experiment. Here's this board in front of you with a series of increasingly severe electrical discharges.

Here's the subject. He's going to go in the other room. We're going to wire him up and you're going to be asking him questions and when he gets it wrong, you're going to hit him with electrical charge. And it's sort of this fat, older gentleman, you know, sort of kindly. And he goes in the other room and he's communicating via this speaker with the subject. He doesn't, the subject doesn't know that he is a, essentially that everyone involved in this as a Confederate. And they start giving the commands, you've got to electric the guy, give it to him, give it to him.

And it's increasing doses. And the buttons go to like, they have, you know, dangerous and then skull and crossbones on them. And somewhere around 20% of people will just keep going all the way to the skull and crossbones. And they have a recording of the guy on the other end. screaming and begging for nursey, but just because there's a guy, mercy, yeah. No, no, the nursey would be something. I'm sorry, just a nursey would be, would be something you could use. Be interesting.

Yeah. But just because there's a guy in a white coat going, you must proceed, you must proceed, people comply with that. It's the oddest thing. It's so odd. It's scary. It all gets back to character and dignity. and so on and so forth, and golden rule and lack of religion and all the me generation,

the self-esteem movement was the worst, the worst joke ever perpetrated on a society. I know. It's still going. The self-esteem movement. By the way, in the annals of every idea they have is a bad idea that ends up doing harm down the road, you know, like, hey, let's do English only in schools in Los Angeles. no, no, no, no, English, Spanish. Okay, great. They graduate high school. They don't speak good English. They have menial jobs for the rest of their lives because they haven't mastered the language. You did

harm. You did harm. You thought you're being nice. You did harm. You thought you're being nice by homeless. Homeless is that. Right. Everything is that. Everything is you thought, you know, clean needles and scotch for alcoholics. Poxic empathy. Right, right. Gadsad came up with that term, I think. He is so, so right. You are killing yourself and them and society by trying to help these people. Look, it is. Well, help, help. They're not helping.

That's the point. By being, you're gratifying yourself. I'm so kind. I'm so caring. We're going to do this. You don't know what the fuck you're doing with these people that need something different. Right. Right.

So, yes. It is, look, if people want to just kind of break it down, it's real simple stuff. I used to get into this with my ex-wife. I wanted my kids to have eggs for breakfast. She had cookie butter and toast, and I was like, don't do it. You know what I mean? And, you know, Quaker Rose. You're not nice, Adam.

You don't care. Maple, hot, instant oatmeal, maple, brown sugar. It's just junk and powder and chemicals and sugar and starch. You know, and I would go stop it, stop it, stop it. And she would never do it because she was the nice one and I was the mean one. And when you're dealing with eight-year-olds, they want the cookie butter and the donut. They don't want the egg. And so who gets to be nice?

She does. Who gets to be mean, me? Are we going to take a vote? Because right now it's three to one. Yeah. And if you're going to, and by the way, if she's going to run for president of the house, she's going to win every time with these policies. I will get outvoted every single time.

And then you get labeled the mean one in the group as well, which I always find fascinating. But it's kind of a microcosm of that in Los Angeles. That's what we have. A bunch of these policies hurting bunches of people. Now. Not such a microcosm, by the way. Macrocosm. Right, right.

It's getting big. And the new one is funny because. there is this story out of the west side where the people, by the way, the people on the west side, like the white people on the west side, like Larchmont Village, vote overwhelmingly Democrat. And the Democrats are the ones who want to decriminalize prostitution and did because of the sex working community and how it affects women of color and brown women and more, you know, blah, blah, blah. And now everyone's having sex on the street in front of these people's houses.

And they don't, and guess what? They don't like it. This is terrible. And they're having to go out there and clean up, if you know what I mean. Like literally, clean up these people's mess when they're, when they're done with the condoms and the wipes and the whole nine yards. And they don't like it, but that's what they voted for, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And they get the homeless in their backyard and stuff. And they stay there long enough. they have a right to stay there. Right. So what is it that is the cure for this? And as I always say, diet and exercise, that's all there is. That's all. You can talk Ozempic.

You can talk low-calorie fudge. You can talk anything you want. You can talk anything you want. And then there's diet and exercise. And that's about all we got. And the low self-esteem movement has done so much damage to kids because the worst thing you could do for a kid is go, okay, you are picked last in PE and you've never played a competitive sport and you've never been at the top of your class and you essentially have no achievements

to speak of, but here's a big fat trophy saying you're number one. That is the worst thing you can do to a kid. You want to scramble someone's brain? Do that. Do that. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. You have them tell jokes and you guys all fake laugh like it's hysterical and see how that helps.

Yeah, you just pretend to laugh and say everything they said is spun gold and the funniest thing ever. You do that. I do that with Andrews sometimes here. It's just when he's feeling blue. I try to build him up. He must know I'm faking. He has to know. I mean, the materials.

Anyway, the point is, the point is this. that is the worst thing you could do, but it's also would be the worst thing you do if you're training a fighter and you were going half speed the whole time, letting him beat you every single time. Because at some point, we're climbing into the octagon or we're getting up on stage in front of an audience that doesn't know and doesn't care. And you need to prepare for that. Well, that is no different than the argument you were making earlier about, I mean, I've heard you make an argument about the marketplace. You know, that things will kind of take care of them. The pricing will take care of themselves. Yes. If you give it the

opportunity. It's the same idea with almost everything is that reality has a way of asserting itself. And if you've been raised on a diet of something that is not connected to reality, it's going to be a harsh education when you get out of the world. Yeah. And I, it does not, let's put it to you this way. You know, when you say, well this guy, and they'll do it. Politicians will do it all the time. They'll go, this guy was in the military, and he's a former Green Beret. So he's tough and he's ready and he knows adversity.

And prosecuting Donald Trump's going to be like a walk in the park compared to what this guy's seen in his past. Well, what are you really saying? You know what I mean? You're saying this guy's had adversity. He's felt consequences. He's persevered. he's pushed through, and now he's going to be a great employee or great at his job or a great senator or what have you, because he's had these experiences, you know what I mean?

And by the way, that could be climbing Mount Everest, you know what I mean? Where you go, that guy's got guts, he's got a hutzpah, he's got stamina, and he never quits, and he never quits. And they do all this stuff, which is the exact same art. It's the antithesis of the self-esteem movement. Self-esteem movement is don't climb Mount Everest and we'll just- Don't worry about anything. And we'll pretend like you did. You're perfect.

We'll pretend like you did climb Mount Everest. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, in their world, every kid has climbed Mount Everest. So now you're just in some weird bullpen of 10 billion people of also climbed Mount Everest. You know what I mean? Yes. And it is very hurtful.

You know where it began? I think it began in Los Angeles. The self-esteem movement? Yes. Yes. And by the way, it got pitched. Like it was gospel. My mom, I remember her and her retarded ideas back in the day.

It's like, well, the reason these kids are out punching other kids and stealing their bicycles is because they have low self-esteem. Like somebody sold this. First off, this is not a low self-esteem issue punching strangers. That means you have exquisitely high. high self-esteem. I would never punch a stranger because I have low self-esteem. And I would never steal your briefcase because I have low self-esteem. It's not my briefcase. It's your briefcase. You work for that briefcase. We also wouldn't correct the language because we have low self-esteem. We wouldn't dream of it. I do realize after that soliloquy, I probably corrected you

four times today already. But the self- no, no, no, you have, you, I'll defend you on this. I'll defend you on this. You've said, oh, I thought it was pronounced differently. I've always understood that. You didn't say, you said it wrong. You said that, you know, it struck my ear. Who's right? Let's find out. I want to find out too. I don't want to be pronouncing it incorrectly. The self-esteem movement, you can look it up, Andrew. I believe it started out here in maybe the 80s. Well, let me tell you, I just have a little sort of historical story here. Yes. I remember I was talking to a very good psychiatrist in the early, 90s, I'll say it was.

And he said to me, he goes, you know, I think we've, we participated, meaning the mental health professional community in this self-esteem thing. I forget if he even called it self-esteem at the time, but he goes, it's very clear this is a terrible mistake, but we help bring it on. Yes.

We have to correct this. And, oh, it's a hard, that's a hard one to put back in the bottle. Self-esteem, yeah, self-esteem doesn't get its due in the horrible idea department, but is right up there with defund the police. It's just a bad idea. It'll never work. The self-esteem...

People don't understand that self-esteem, bad self-esteem or low-ish self-esteem, makes you accountable. It makes you check things. It makes you not feel entitled over other people's lives and language. It just makes you a better person, frankly. I mean, if you can have self-esteem, but you better be careful. I, you know, I wish we have... had a better word sort of like we say participation trophy and I don't like when we do that either because you deserve a participation trophy if you participated. Self-esteem, you know, I always say to people

they go, you have high self-esteem, you have low self-esteem. I go, I have no self-esteem. And they go, oh, oh. And I go, it's not bad. It's not bad. I just, I don't, I don't factor myself in. But it was bad when I was 14, you know. No, it's not. I have no self-esteem, which means I'll judge things case by case and I'll be even about it. Yeah. Ask me, who is the greatest comedic mind car racer and carpenter of all time? And I'll go, you're fucking looking at them because there's nobody else who does.

Does all three. Not all three. Not all three. There's better in individual sports. But no. And when I was in for whatever the Ty Pennington show was, they go, this host is hysterically funny and he's a journeyman carpenter. And I said to the producers in their office, I go, no, he's not.

No, he's not. Nobody knows more than me and nobody's funnier than me. It's not the same two people. It can't be done. I'm the only one who can do it. So you go, well, that sounds like a pompous thing to say. No, that's something I understood and own about myself. I don't, I don't, when we're in line at the,

I'll tell you what I don't do. I don't buy a $500 blazer on Amazon, wear it to a funeral, and then return it the next day and get my money back. Because that's wrong. Somebody made it. Somebody shipped it. And that's bullshit. And I do have no self-esteem. And that won't fly with me.

Yeah. It gives you that scale of justice that is very unaffected by wind or pressure. Oh, no, no, if you have no self-esteem, you can remove yourself from every case. Yes, yes. And once you do that, then if you find a $100 bill on the ground at the airport, you return it to the lost and found because it's not yours. And then they go, yeah, but this hundred feels pretty good in my hand. Right. But what if you dropped it?

It's pretty easy. The self-esteem movement originated in the United States during the 1970s and 80s. It was catalyzed by Nathaniel Brandon, douche, 1969 book, Psychology of Self-Eesteem, and formerly launched by California Assemblyman John Vascon, Vasconcellos, or whatever it did, Vasconcellos, fucking idiot, who established a state task force in 1986. So my memory was it did start here, and it was in the 80s,

It goes back. But the point is, is we put a task force together. Who is John Viscontzellos? And he did a, he's an assembly man. We did so many shitty things. Right. All horrible. All horrible.

The reasoning of homeless in the street is all the shitty laws and things we did leading up to the present moment. Every law. Everything was contrary to what's good. But when it came to the well-being thing, the self-esteem thing, the mental health community enthusiastically participated, and it still is in their work in their magic here and there. You don't say no to kids, that kind of thing.

I want to take, which is a horrible idea. I want to take the Ty Pennington story all the way home to when he came and guessed it on Loveline. He was a guest, yes. The uncomfortable moment when you were like, oh, you're, I think he said he said he was a contractor or something. And you asked him some, like, questions that I almost understood. And he finally went, I don't know.

I don't know I got that. Can I say this, Drew, and I want to say this to everyone who is like a field of expertise. I know nothing about computers, but I know control, alt delete. I've never done it. I've heard of it. You know what I mean? And I've heard of Dolby and I've heard of PC versus Mac. Like I've heard of the top 10 things that a nine-year-old would know about a computer and that's where it is.

Right? Yes. Yes. And so when people, if I said I know a lot about computers, it would be unfair if you ask me a very deep cut because people do that sometimes. I get real deep into the weeds, right? I asked him, Ty Pennington, the most basic questions about carpentry. And what people don't understand about carpentry is it's not like,

hey, everyone's just doing their own thing. No. Every door is 8.0. It's all 80 inches. All interior doors are 80 inches unless you have a custom home, which by the way is 6.8. So if you know anybody who's 6.9, you should feel sorry for them because they're literally hitting their head in every single door jam and every home they've ever lived in, right? But it's just super basic stuff. The doors are 6 foot 8 in height, a thickness for an interior door is an inch and 3 quarter. And the exterior doors and in, sorry, interiors an inch and three-eighths, exterior is an inch and three-and-third. Basic, four-inch hinges on the exterior, three and a half on the interior. Real basic stuff. All the way through.

And he didn't know any of it, which meant he knew nothing. I mean, zero. He could not answer one question. We have a, right. Now, Drew, you can say I'm a douche. And many do. Oftentimes. I don't think it makes me a bad person to ask if someone's an ex-eastern.

expert in something. Just like we had Barbara Ferrer, the crazy, ghoulish, gypsy cow who ran L.A. into the ground with all her COVID mandates. I think we could ask about her background and what she knew in this position. All right. So Vasconcellos, there's an interesting story about him. He died in 2014. I don't know what it is, but how did we get here? To answer that, you have to go back to An eccentric and powerful politician. Right. Wow. Yeah, John Vasco, Vascollinos.

That year, the Democrat, oh, what a shocker, Drew. He's a Democrat. Want to get a head start on ruining California. Managed to persuade, I'm sorry, this is a small, a deeply skeptical Republican state governor to fund a three-year task force to explore the value of self-esteem. Vasco was convinced that low self-esteem was the source of a huge array of social issues, including unemployment, educational failure, child abuse, domestic violence, homelessness, gang warfare. He became convinced that raising the

population's self-esteem would act as a social vaccine saving the state billions. Right. Guess who was wrong? Yeah. The well-meaning heart of gold Democrat in California, Drew. And by the way, both of us have lower no self-esteem. And how many of those things were we involved with? You know what I mean? I did a little gangbanging for a while in the 90s. We all ran. I ran with the Crips. Drew ran with the bloods because he's a doctor, the hematobins. But the point is, is he was wrong. Now, look, did he mean well?

Yes, he meant well. Yes, of course. Did he fuck a lot of things up? Yes, he did. So let's go ahead and look at that through the lens of today's telescope and see how many well-meaning ideas are screwing people up. Lanserman Petrus short is what created the 72-hour hold and the, you know, the, and has been eroded further in recent laws where you can't be gravely disabled and held

against your will no matter how gravely disabled you are. And Lantern himself went to his grave, thinking he made a grave error in creating that law. Yeah. So bad ideas come home to roost. Some come home immediately, like defund the police. How do you get these genies back in the bottle, man? Well, I'll tell you, something like defund the police is a horrible idea, but I'm grateful that the results are so bad, so fast that we have to correct course immediately.

because it's one thing to go in the wrong direction on a journey and then immediately notice, it's no different than a road trip. Like you get two off ramps down the 101 and you go, oh, hell, we're going the wrong way and you get off. It's another thing to make it to New Mexico and then realize you've been going the wrong fucking fucking million direction the whole time. But if you've got the fucking Milgram experiment looking over your shoulder going, proceed, proceed, you're wrong.

People comply. Yes, yes, yes. All right. We're going to do a second half. We're going to bring him my own friend, Jeremy Barker, for a very interesting conversation. I know you don't recognize the name, but the real interesting conversation. I will say that I'm going to be in New York City at Rodney's tomorrow night doing a live podcast with Anthony Scaramucci, Drew's buddy. Yeah. Say hi to Anthony, Anthony, please. And say hi to him. Drew's got some good stories. You've got to preload me with those Drew. And you can go to amcrow.com for all those live shows. Drew, where do we go for you? Go to at Dr. Drew on X and Dr. Drew.com, everything else.

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