The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2076 - Make Love AND War | Part 1

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

Bestselling author, speaker, and co-founder of The Personal Development School Thais Gibson joins Adam and Dr. Drew in studio to break down love languages and what they reveal in relationship...s. Adam shares what he wants most from a partner as Thais helps decode his love language, and they dig into how younger generations live on their phones, lose the connection between hard work and money, and get tripped up by “invisible money.” They also explore how societal expectations land differently on men and women, why roles in relationships need to adapt to modern life, and Thais’ spiritual perspective on love.https://university.personaldevelopmentschool.com - Use Code PDS2026 for 20% off of the Personal Development School 90 day attachment healing membershipSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Dr. Drew's board certified. Pout. Pout. Tais Gibson is our guest. She's, well, let's see. Attachment Theory Specialist. who founded the Personal Development School, got a podcast out, and I'll spell her name,
Starting point is 00:01:06 the T-H-A-I-S-Gypson podcast. Subject, this subject, good to meet you. Good to meet you. Thank you for having me. The subject was very hot several years ago, and then I feel like it kind of went away, and maybe now it's back, but explain. Explain the subject itself?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Yeah. Why it's back? Why it's back. I think for me, a big part of why this has become a part of my work is a lot of my background was originally, I did a PhD in pastoral counseling, but then I was always really interested in where neuroscience and the psychological part sort of lines up with the spiritual side of things, and I find that overlap to be a place of truth. So I did a lot of work in hypnotherapy, neurolinguistic programming, and a lot of really understanding how people change. And I think honestly what happened is the whole attachment theory thing trended a lot. and the downside of that was that people started just identifying with themselves as a label. Like, oh, I just call people repeatedly because I'm anxiously attached.
Starting point is 00:02:06 That's how I am. I'm a DA. Yeah. I'm a dismissive avoidant. And that's why I'm, I fear of commitment. And I think that really what we should be looking at is this is not some sort of formal diagnosis. It's a subconscious set of roles you've learned about love and connection and how to relate
Starting point is 00:02:19 to other people. And what we can do is we can actually rewire those things when they're not working. And that's really my focus area. And you know, therapy done well has always been, whether we knew it or not, about creating a frame where the patient can form a secure attachment to the therapist. Regardless of the modality they were using, ultimately it ends up being that. And then translating that secure attachment out to the world. Definitely. Absolutely. And I think that what happens is when people don't get healthy modeling growing up for what that even looks like and they have no reference point.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Obviously, that's really important for the therapist or counselor to become that person. but also then you have to be able to take those patterns out into the world and connect with other people and play those themes out and that has to be practiced. Yeah, my problem is I, my plan is I want to do stuff for people who I love. I want to take care of them. I want to fix things. I want to build things. I want to do stuff. And I think that works for guys.
Starting point is 00:03:18 It doesn't really work that well for women. They just kind of get used to it. And they just kind of go, all right, that's what that's. guy does. He builds stuff. But it worked. I think it would work on me if somebody was like doing things, fixing things, you know, fixing things, like taking care of things. And to defend your position, if, you know, if we were on the prairie in 1820, guess what? Your partner would appreciate that. Yeah, it's not really, stuff not really seem to be that appreciate. Well, I, my theory is that money has become invisible.
Starting point is 00:03:54 So paying for everything doesn't really count because it doesn't show. Doesn't feel like caretaking. Doesn't, yeah. And I think there's two conversations. So I think there's a love language conversation, which truly, I mean, you've probably seen this. I've seen this in my own practice. I've seen countless people who truly do respond very well to that when they feel
Starting point is 00:04:11 taken care from an acts of service standpoint. So there's different love language. Well, I'll say that, here's what I'll say, my assessment or what I've experienced. people who don't have anything appreciate the shit out of it at the beginning but then once it goes on for a while it just is like this is just my car you pay for it that's just my house you fix it and once you get it's a two-way street i think guys get used to a certain thing and women get used to a certain thing and then you just start to neglect it or or you know what it is you get sort of dismissive of it, I think.
Starting point is 00:04:49 Like if you would have pulled most people out of their position when they were working and had roommates and small apartments and stuff and put them in a big house on the hill, then they would really appreciate that for a period of time. And then at some point it just becomes the norm. We adjust. And they just and they acclimate.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And then they go into a non-appreciation. mode. And so in your ideal situation, what happens there instead? I think the, I think there's, in my ideal situation, there has to be an understanding that while the finances may be invisible to you, they're connected to a work to me. So the finances get invisible and then the connection to working really hard gets severed because the car is just a car and the house is just a house. May I tell you what I hear? I just hear that you don't feel appreciated. Yeah, well, that's what it is. I hear that you need a little bit of appreciation and acknowledgement for everything. Maybe that's a communication. It's not quite, that's not quite what it is.
Starting point is 00:06:06 It's not a validation. It's a sort of a, here's what it would be. It's not a, hey, hon, thanks very much. This means a lot. That's not what it is. It's a you work all week. They stay home all week. And then you get to the end of the week and you go,
Starting point is 00:06:27 I'm really in the mood to go out for steakhouse tonight. And they go, I was thinking about sushi. And then you go, yeah, but. I had a long week and I really want that steak. And they're like, why do we have to get the steak? And it's like, I don't need appreciation. I need a sort of, all right, you've been doing this all week. Here's, yes, I will trade you your 50-hour week for a steak.
Starting point is 00:06:51 So I spend a lot of time working with people on identifying their needs. It's a big part of how we talk about becoming secure in the work that we do. And there's a big difference between validation and acknowledgement. Validation is like you're the best partner. You look so good. You're this, you're that. It's actual giving of confidence. compliments, acknowledgement and appreciation is more, hey, like, I know you had a long week.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Thank you. Like, thank you for showing up. Not even thank you. Not even thank you. Let's get the state. Let's get the state. Let's get the mood for steak. We'll do steak. But do you ever communicate that. Do you ever say, hey, I had a long week and sometimes I do all the time. I would go, I, I, I, what do you mean I don't do anything? All I do is work. I think, yeah, I do it. It's not, it, I think it's something. Look, if you go back and you watch these, you know, movies from the 50s, or sometimes I'll listen to old-timey radio shows, you know, and the guy would come home from work and the daughter would be like, I want to tell
Starting point is 00:07:48 daddy, now, now he was tired, he's been at work all day, let him, leave him alone, let him sit, leave. And then there was a sort of appreciation. I think, I really think it's, like, I have a daughter. She's 19. Everything with hers in her phone. She just buys stuff and does stuff sort of via her phone. I fill her phone with money, but she doesn't, it doesn't feel. When we were kids, you're too young. When we were kids, if you, you know, I'd say to my dad, could I have a dollar, be like, oh, God, oh, boy, oh boy. What was his little phrase that you should say to the sister? He'd go, give, no, give me, get me, take me, you all you want. And it It's like if he gave you a dollar, first off, he had to dig it out of his pocket.
Starting point is 00:08:36 And then he'd be like, okay, but you know, and there's a little speech before he handed it to him. Like it was a big, now it's just Grubhub just shows up to the house. It's $87 worth of food. And I'm looking around going, who are? Yeah, we're at ours. And they just walk in the next room shut the door. Like there is no peel it off. There's nothing symbolic about it.
Starting point is 00:09:00 It's invisible. the work part hasn't changed. The part where you have to go and work all the time. To do it, the appreciation of, I mean, just as we went from sort of change, like you could remember like change buckets and fishing out the corridors and stuff like that. So you see it in our society. Like you hear Bernie Sanders every speech.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Like what's wrong with these guys? They got so much. They can't spend that. Why not help people? and they're like angry about it. So it's kind of societal, but it's also, you know, sort of, it's sort of micro and macro. Also the messages we give men and women, too, are factoring into all this. Do you think?
Starting point is 00:09:41 Yes, I do. It's, you know, men are toxic, whatever, unimportant, unuseful, all these things. And women can be everything all the time whenever they want. I think it's making both of us miserable. But I actually blatantly disagree with that as well. Like, I think that that's just toxic to society, quite honestly. pit men and women against each other and unfortunately that's part of what's happening and I'm sorry but like men yes absolutely and men and women need that's what he's talking about absolutely that I see
Starting point is 00:10:09 for sure I just think if I were in a situation where I was laboring away and I work very very long hours too and and you know like I would say hey if I had a busy week and I'm working a lot and I want to get stake like you got to give a little bit like you got to you know because there is a little bit of entitlement that I'm hearing that's often a part of if you grow up and you're used to having everything at your disposal, then obviously that's not, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you grew up in a, you lived in a crappy apartment with three roommates. No, no, she's meaning the other side. I don't think of your daughter.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Oh, you're talking about my daughter. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, sorry, she knew nothing but this. Yeah, it happens. Other people acclimate quickly. Yeah. Like, you go from, you know, the villager to the king. And really quickly you start, you know, where's my mutton chops? You know, like, sadly, people can move fast, like an acclimate.
Starting point is 00:11:07 But what the other thing is is the steady diet that has been fed to a lot of women. And I think they're unhappy a lot of the women we speak of is they did this thing where it's like, just because he goes out and works doesn't mean. mean he gets to order you around. Doesn't mean he's your boss. Doesn't mean he's a slave driver. And it's like, that's not what it is. It's, I'm just in the mood for steak.
Starting point is 00:11:35 So cut me some slack. And by the way, you can eat sushi the rest of the week while I'm at work, like kind of thing. So they would just like, you don't have to listen to him just because it's like, it's not listening to him. It's more like a sort of appreciation means. Can I give you my unpopular opinion? You're probably not going to like it. Well, let's see.
Starting point is 00:11:54 You may like it a lot. Correct. I think that one thing that's happened is women, there definitely has been a lot of conditioning happening through society of, like you said, this toxic masculinity and teaching women to see the negative in men, which is just sad because as somebody who's worked with a lot of men and seen the inside of their lives, men are trying very hard. And in a lot of cases, if there's something that they make a mistake on,
Starting point is 00:12:16 it's a human mistake. Like, everybody's making mistakes, men and women. And I also think that it conditions women to be in this sort of victim mentality at times where it's like instead of taking accountability. Well, hold on. for one second. There are plenty of lazy douchebag, dude. For 20 of them, I went to high school with all.
Starting point is 00:12:32 But the problem in terms of how you solve for it, at least that I've found, and not everybody's ready or in a place to have these conversations, but I think the problem is that women are now feeling a sense of, I need to communicate my needs, I need to set my boundaries, I need to do all these things, which is good as long as the expectations are managed to be healthy. But men aren't communicating. So now you have women and you don't have men being taught or told that by society. So now you have this imbalance in the communication. So now women are saying, hey, I need this.
Starting point is 00:13:03 This is my boundary. You should be doing this. I want sushi. I don't want steak. And they're speaking. And men are already, you know, taking on the way to the world and a lot of the things that are happening. But they're not saying, you know what, honey, I've had a really long week.
Starting point is 00:13:16 I need you to make space for me. Like, I need to take up a little bit of space. I'm working really hard and they're not vulnerably sharing back. So now it just starts to weigh. and where and wear on them. And what I found to be at least one form of a potential solution in some cases is for somebody to say,
Starting point is 00:13:31 I know you want sushi, I've had a really long week. I've been working really hard. I'd like you to make space for me too. Like I need to have some more of that in terms of my needs. And I know that there's a part where we go, yeah, but I shouldn't have to.
Starting point is 00:13:42 You don't think I do anything? You don't think I work too? Well, then that's a different problem. You don't think I do anything. All says to be Adam's way or the highway. Okay, well, now there's a different problem because then somebody's not willing to hear you, it sounds like. But there's a lot of cases where women are speaking and they're communicating and then
Starting point is 00:13:59 a man isn't used to doing that or having to do that. And then it's keeping there to be a power and balance in the communication. I think a lot of it. So I think it's two parts. That's three parts. A, number one, they want sushi. So, fuck you. That's what I want. That's like number one. There's not a lot of delayed gratification. You know, people used to work on farms. You know what I mean? Like it took a while to get stuff. They just kind of want it when they want it, you know, and they're used to it. Like people are used to just going online, getting next day delivery, getting everything. You know, we would look through catalogs and stuff with allow four to eight weeks for delivery and stuff. Like, you know, everything was a super slow boat.
Starting point is 00:14:43 You weren't getting this for a while. And we had a, we're okay with like a delayed gratification. So there's a lot of like I just want it and I want it now. and fuck you, and I want it so bad that I'm not really going to factor in a lot of other things. That's one. The invisible money is definitely a thing that no one is talking about, and we should be talking about, and you can't convince me it's not changed a lot of people's perspective. You know what?
Starting point is 00:15:13 I'm having a flashback memory. When I was in college, I was in anthropology class about aging, and I had to go into the community and form relationships with some of the aging community members in Northampton, Massachusetts. And I had this old World War I veteran, German, who came to New Jersey, became a shoemaker, and then somehow ended up retired in North Hampton. And his thing was the credit card. This is, people don't understand, they swipe a card, there's no real money exchange,
Starting point is 00:15:42 it's going to be the downfall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the beginning of all this. Well, so you run up credit card debt easily to like the young, you know, they give it to the young college. student, they grab it, and they just go out and buy a mountain bike or something, and they run it up because it's not mowing lawns and getting $5 a lawn and came like, like, it's tangible. Yeah, there's a gravity to cash. All right, I will tell you, there's a third component. So there's a, I want what I want, and I want it now, and I was thinking about sushi, and you just
Starting point is 00:16:19 came home, and I'm still thinking about sushi, and I want it now. And they kind of like, sushi it's something, people eat twice a year when I was young. Maybe. I didn't know anyone who ate sushi. But you want it now because it's been 10 days, you know. So it's that. The invisible money thing is like the credit card, but now 10fold. Tenfold.
Starting point is 00:16:42 100fold. Yeah. It's crazy. Well, and by the way, how could you expect them, how could you expect my daughter to process this any differently than she's got a phone? Then the food shows up and it's just kind of there. I mean, it's kind of, like I said, people do it with the government. You know what I mean? Like, why don't you guys take care of this?
Starting point is 00:17:02 Why don't you give more money to that? Why don't we fix that with more? It's like, okay, Bernie Sanders, more money, more money, fix whatever. But there's a third part. And this part is equally as important as the invisible money. And I'll tell you what it is right after this. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. International Woman's Day is right around the corner.
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Starting point is 00:19:35 Third component is guys don't come home from work covered with coal dust. Oh. Because when you walk through that door and you're covered with coal dust and boots and your back was hurting and, you know, you worked at some logging camp or something. When you came through the door, you look like you left a war zone. You know what I mean? And there wasn't, you know, when that guy walked through the door and someone said, who's picking up the takeout? No one said, go back out the door and pick up the fucking takeout. Why didn't you pick it up on your way home from the salt mine?
Starting point is 00:20:08 You know, everything is digital now. People work in air conditioning. They sort of have these jobs, but they don't involve any lifting. You know what I mean, I would bet you. Ah, here's all. You ready? I'm ready. I will bet you that the average steel worker, electrician, plumber, carpenter,
Starting point is 00:20:31 who makes $75 grand a year gets treated a lot better than the average guy who does data entry in an air condition thing for $200,000 a year, because that guy comes home and he's got like sweat, stains in his armpits, and he's covered with dust. and he literally walks through the door and you go, oh, you've had a tough day. There's so many variables to that, though, I have to say. Give it to it. I mean, it depends.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Like, you know, that person, what is the level of emotional awareness of their partner? What is the situation in terms of each person's detachment style? Everything's the same. If everything else was controlled for, yes, I would agree with you for sure. Well, everything's the same. I can't figure out what's going on with this couple and that couple. So how, but my really big question is how. How do you solve for this?
Starting point is 00:21:21 Because, like, let's say this is happening systemically in society. How do you solve for it? What is the person coming home covered in coal dust? What is that representing? It's representing that there's something tangible and visible so that they don't have to communicate, in my opinion. And so now it's like, okay, this is visible, so it's clear that you had a hard day. It's clear that you've been really working hard.
Starting point is 00:21:43 People go through a hard day, have a hard time, or working hard when they come home from work anyways. In a lot of cases, and sometimes it's soul draining. to be the data entry person. Like sometimes there's, sometimes you might have a better day, lifting and doing things. So I agree with you. The digital person could be making twice the paycheck and get half the appreciation. It also occurs to me that the briefcase, the overcoat, and the hat used to serve some of that function.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Yes. Yeah. Slend it down. You're punctuated. But then we have to adapt to the time. So what is the solution? So and to my, you know, the point that I'm trying to get at here, you know, the point that I'm trying to get at here is like, well, how do you
Starting point is 00:22:20 solve for that? And to me, it's like, well, then what's made up for is through conversation about things, having to actually bridge those gaps through speaking open. Damn, I had a hard day. This was really difficult. Oh my gosh, this was soul-sucking. It's taking a lot to bring home the money and take care. Like, there has to be...
Starting point is 00:22:36 Yeah, that doesn't... I'd like for you to name one. I'd like for you to name one solution other than communication that you think is viable. And there might be some. I'd be very curious to hear, but I think if that's the world that we're living in, then we have to also adapt and evolve to the situation. Yeah, I think that the explanation, you know, the part where, you know, like I've said, well, I'll just say, let's say I've said to my daughter, like I go, look, you know, that stuff's not free.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I pay for that stuff. The reason I'm gone every weekend is because I'm traveling, because I'm working. So it's sort of. But do you say the vulnerable? part? Like, hey, it's hard. Hey, I'm tired. Yeah, I have. I have. It doesn't, they seem to go back to, they seem to reset when you leave. Like, it might work in the moment, but then it doesn't really carry on. It goes back to sort of invisible money and non, you know, salt mine or coal mine versions. Now, so can I interrupt you for a second? Can we recap? So I agree with you about the
Starting point is 00:23:44 invisible money. Interesting perspective. I agree. I think those are the towns where we're living in. the work, I think all of that. My mind keeps going to like, what's the solution? And it's just like, when I've worked with couples in the past, one thing I always tell them is like you have to see your needs through. Because once we're conditioned by something, that's your natural sort of state of being. So somebody, you can see two people in a relationship. One person comes from a totally different background, years of different conditioning and expectations. And now you're trying to bridge your inner worlds. And one person has to say, like, hey, this is what I'm looking for in a relationship. Sometimes you have to remind your
Starting point is 00:24:14 partner. And I think in a family dynamic, if somebody's been already conditioned with the expectation of the invisible money concept, you might have to remind your daughter a few times. You might have to speak your needs consistently enough where they start to get it. I think they need to be thrown into some sort of camp where they live in squalor for like two weeks. Listen, that's an extreme, extreme potential answer. Let me bring up a separate, a corollary topic. Well, he and I've discussed this quite a bit, but there's a corollary topic, and you'll like this, Adam. and more a little closer to attachment stuff,
Starting point is 00:24:47 which is that, let's see how we can frame this, when people are in an anxiously attached relationship, and particularly with somebody who's maybe dismissive a little bit, that's a setup for betrayals of all types, and betrayal is a really hot topic right now, and Adam frames it as character. People's character is not what it should be. They're prone to betrayal when they're in these insecure attachments.
Starting point is 00:25:20 They just sort of compartmentalize and go off into the sunset somewhere and do something that is suggestive of low character. Am I framing this reasonably? Yeah, I mean, you're in a weird way you're asking people to not be human. And, well, no, I don't mean you're asking them. Better than human. What I'm saying is when you say to a nine-year-old, look, I've worked all week, I'm really stressed out, and I would like a steak tonight, the nine-year-old says, well, I want sushi. Well, that's a nine-year-old. That's different than your wife.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Well, that's why I said nine-year-old. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So anyway, if I said nine-year-old, because it was a nine-year-old. But anyway, then later on, that nine-year-old, that nine-year-old. is not becoming an adult. That's what my argument is. It used to be religion, it used to be golden rule,
Starting point is 00:26:17 used to be church and discipline and stuff like that. All right, our plan was to take that nine-year-old and drag them into adulthood, where the adult would go, I would like sushi, but I understand what you just said, and fair is fair. Nine-year-olds won't.
Starting point is 00:26:34 We are not turning nine-year-olds into adults, and that's becoming an issue. And some of that is an attachment problem. Some of that is an attachment problem, and some of that is a societal problem, for sure. I agree with that. Well, I mean, if you, let's stay with the attachment systems. I mean, the families of origins aren't giving them a secure environment to develop all this. And there's that old saying optimal growth occurs at the border between support and challenge.
Starting point is 00:26:56 And if you're over-supported at times and never challenged, then you don't really have a good grasp. Or if you're neglected or there's chaos. Exactly. If you're on the other side of that, too, from an attachment perspective, for sure. I think it's more global. I think it's just less ten commandments, less goal. golden rule, less religion, less societal. She comes from that.
Starting point is 00:27:15 That's your original training, right? Yes. And my question is... Less coaches yelling at you, like all that stuff. Yeah. Do you agree? Over-supported, under-challenged. Yes, I do agree.
Starting point is 00:27:25 In many cases. Yes. And my final question to you is, you hinted at this. Did you find spirituality in that union of two humans in a safe space? Is that where you said you were sort of finding sort of... 100%. Yeah. So there's a spiritual, this thing we co-create together, we call it relationship,
Starting point is 00:27:46 can have a spiritual component to it. Absolutely. But I also believe that your conditioning from your childhood becomes your view of the world and your view of God and very much determines your relationship you have to God. And I think that religion is such a powerful and beautiful thing, but I think there's a dogmatic aspect. And I think that's because there's a human conditioning aspect.
Starting point is 00:28:07 And so, for example, if somebody... Adam wants that. If somebody grows up, if somebody grows up in a household. We don't have enough of that now. Exactly. But the form will matter. So the way we go about that matters. And so if we grow up in a household where you have parents who are abusive,
Starting point is 00:28:23 you then think God is going to be this angry, abusive character. If you grew up in a household where you have loving, caring parents who also challenge you in healthy ways because there's healthy versus unhealthy challenge is what I'm saying, the form that matters. Yeah. And if you have a healthy amount of challenge, then that grows you. But unhealthy challenge through trauma, that shrinks you as well. Well, I don't even know what, oh, challenge like.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Grit. Yeah, but through trauma. That's just trauma. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I would argue that the person I'm talking about, the sushi versus steak person, if that person was a religious person, you'd have a much higher chance of getting your steak than eating the sushi. Right?
Starting point is 00:29:09 The religion? Yeah. Well, I mean, look. There's a healthy amount of challenge there that's happening in discipline. There's, look, first off, there's just people that are born with a certain maturity. My son is very easy and he would understand that sort of immediately. It's inherent in him. Some people have a baseline.
Starting point is 00:29:32 I mean, you know, like some dogs are really yappy and some dogs are really mellow and, you know, people have a sort of inherent thing. I'm sort of detuned. My son's kind of laid back and he would just say to him, he'd go, I'm in the mood for sushi and he'd go, well, we're doing steak, get in the car and he'd go, oh, he'd just start walking for the car. My daughter, you'd throw
Starting point is 00:29:52 down. There'd be a battle there. But that's also their wiring. And that's also why she might end up being more financially successful than him because she'd be the person who would barge into the boss's office and demand a raise kind of thing, whereas he would lay back.
Starting point is 00:30:08 you know, and sort of keep it cool. So some of it is a wiring, a sort of basic DNA stuff, but then the other stuff can be taught and or it's all in the Bible. We can just do it religiously, and that would work as well. But we decided to throw away the Bible and not do the teaching. And now we're in this weird no man's land of people. Free for all. Well, it's, look, I go, we started this thing where we go,
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Starting point is 00:33:28 Pay never. All right. Yeah. Drew. Yeah. What do you think? A lot going on the world. And I've not heard you are.
Starting point is 00:33:37 thoughts about what's going on in the Middle East. I mean, I, listen, I've, I've, okay, I've said it my entire career. There's, there's something wrong with their culture. And unfortunately, the sort of diplomacy part is not in their culture. It means you're weak. And, well, they have, They have a bully mentality, which is if you tell a bully you really don't want to fight, then you fight. They think you're saying you don't want to fight because you're weak. You know what I mean? And also there's a lot of projection, which is, let's just say they thought they could annihilate us or Israel tomorrow militarily. Then they would have done it.
Starting point is 00:34:31 So their thing is like sort of like they're sitting at a poker table. they're going, well, if you had four kings, you would have put all, you would have been, put everything into the pot. And it's like, but you just bet a $5 chip. And then, and the guy's holding the four kings, five, four kings and an ace, that guy goes, I know I could put it all in, but that would bankrupt the table. And I want to interest, I'm interested in playing a game here, and I want to be fair to you. And the guy's holding the, you know, the pair of twos goes, well, bullshit, if I had,
Starting point is 00:35:05 Four kings, I'd be fucking, destroy everybody. So there's a part where they don't think we can do it or we will do it because we don't do it, but we can do it. So they don't understand that logic. And then they think the diplomacy part is us not wanting to do it. So we were going to talk, not I'm going to spare you. So it's basically, it's like the bully is talking to the guy in the schoolyard. And the guy in the school yard is going, I don't want to fight you because I'm going. I know mixed martial arts and I would hurt you badly if we fought.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And the other guy goes, well, if I fucking knew mixed martial arts, I would have beat you up already. So this has got to be bullshit. And then you have to break their arm because they don't understand anything but death. But their culture is kind of a death culture. So that's what they understand. Now, we come from the, you know, sting song where the Russians love their children too and everyone loves everyone, and killing terrorists creates terrorists. I always forgot about that one.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Remember that? Also keep people out, killing terrorists. Listen, here's the problem. They only understand one thing and that's being destroyed, but they hate Jews and they want, they're a horrible fucked up culture. And also when people go, well, that's just the government. Yeah, but the people tolerate it. I've said it a million times.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Well, I mean, they had their revolution, and that. group has been in control and just dominating everybody else. No, I get it. It'd just be like if we went, look, we voted in the clan and now the clan runs everything and we just kind of, that's it. But Drew's not a bad guy. Neither's Adam, but they just voted for the clan. They just sort of live under the rule of the clan.
Starting point is 00:36:52 And then so I'd go, listen, their culture's fucked up if they tolerated that. You see what I'm saying? Their religion is fucked up. I mean, it's a big problem. So they need to be destroyed. That's it. By the way, I wish there was some other version of this where you guys just acted like Finland or something, but you can't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:11 And you don't produce a car. You don't do anything because you're fucked up culture. The culture is fucked. The entire Middle East is fucked up. That's why if you turn on Saturday Night Live in 1975 and you see Chevy Chase at the news desk, the lead story will be trouble in the Middle East. There's trouble in the Middle East because it's filled with Middle Eastern. But there's no trouble in Canada because it's filled with Canadians. And there's some trouble in Mexico because it's filled with Mexicans.
Starting point is 00:37:39 It's just it's go, you pick me the country. I'll tell you what they're into. And then that's what the country is. The country's into it. Well, they're into this. I mean, look, the thing about like Muslim and most of them are peaceful, most of them, yeah, most of them are peaceful, but they agree, most of them agree the Jews should be killed. Yeah. Here's what it is.
Starting point is 00:38:03 You know, it'd be like me going, listen, I voted in the clan. I'm a good dude. I'm not going to lynch any black people, but I wouldn't mind if some were lynched. Well, that makes us a shit culture. Yeah. Right? Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:16 They're shit culture. That's what's happening. And there's some good people in every shit culture, but not enough. That's the problem. It's all about the numbers. Or you have a dictatorship that prevents those people from, showing itself. It's still not enough. It's it's it's it's it's it's not enough. It's not a coincidence. It's all one region. You know, it's all one place. I think your feedback is going to be we know,
Starting point is 00:38:40 Persians are different than Saudis that are different than UAE, Bahrainians. These are different. Yeah, they're all different except for they all it's all sort of the same theme. Women's rights, gay rights, you know, some better than others. But unless I there's all there's a rest of Africa too, which gets really shitty. as well. I mean, there's just shit. You know, listen, do you want to live in Somalia? No. Why not? They got a bad dictator.
Starting point is 00:39:09 It's because it's fucking Somalia. The culture's fucked up. There's some cultures that are fucked up. And there are other cultures that are better. There's better cultures than ours. Depending on what you want for a society. Like if you go,
Starting point is 00:39:23 what do you want for society? Low crime, orderly. I guess I want to be able to walk around at night and not look over my shoulder. Okay, well, Japan's the place for you. Yeah. You're saying they're not some bad Japanese guy? Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:39 There's some. But most. Yeah. Their culture is better that way. Well, I don't like driving around L.A. and seeing garbage and graffiti everywhere. Yeah. Because Mexico's a trash culture. They don't mind the garbage.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Like, we mind the garbage. Japan go nuts for the garbage. So there's no chewing gum on the street in Japan because their culture doesn't allow. You go to Los Angeles, you look down, you see chewing gum on the street. There's a dance center up the street where the Armenians all go. There's piles of gum on the ground because Armenians spit it out as they enter the dance studio. Armenians are fucked up culture when it comes to chewing gum. Japanese are not.
Starting point is 00:40:27 I'm like, I'm the chewing gum. Chewing gum assessment of a culture. And other things, but in general, that's what they do. Well, I had a... If that was a Japanese dance center and all their clients were Japanese, and no, there would not be all the gum on the sidewalk. No. All right, so what do you want?
Starting point is 00:40:43 I want less gum on the sidewalk. What about you? Okay. So I would tend to go, I'd like more Japanese and less Somalians. There's how I work, but then people don't like that kind of talk. But then when they do welcome it in, they just get, what they get. L.A.'s become Mexico. It's trashy now. I have to explain this stuff to everybody. I've been saying this for 25, 30 years. That's what it is. Now, you compared it to dog breeds
Starting point is 00:41:13 in the old days. You can get a Mexican in here and convert them, and you can get an Armo and convert them, but you can't have a wave of Mexicans come in here. They're just going to open up shop and turn it into Mexico. So I had a goofball conversation with myself this morning. I'm thinking to myself, well, you know, I don't know what to think, but I hate war. Like, oh, okay, your Royal Highness, you hate war. Great. Wait, you had a goofball conversation with yourself?
Starting point is 00:41:39 With myself. With yourself. So I'm thinking, you know, how do I feel? What's going on? It's way above my breath. I don't have any, I thought to myself, I don't have a, I need business having an opinion about it. Because it's all kinds of things I don't know. and I'm not, it's just, how, why would I have an opinion about this?
Starting point is 00:41:59 It's crazy. But I thought, oh, but I hate war. And I thought, oh, your royal highness, you hate war, great. So what does that do for the conversation? I mean, listen, I don't trust, you know, the big munitions, you know, manufacturers and all. I don't, I mean, I get the part. I get the part where you go, fucking government, you know, always at war and Halliburton. Black Rock and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Like I get that whole part. But also. Oil interest. These people need to be killed because if they do get a nuke, then they're going to use it. So, yeah, I guess two things can be true. Like you can go, well, I don't trust that big industry, big war industry. Also, guys need to be killed who are horrible. And I don't know if you've read this.
Starting point is 00:42:52 And again, what is true and what isn't? We have no way of knowing, but that the Iranians were starting from, the first of all, they were proud of themselves that they had gotten around all their injunctions to produce 11 warheads. They were like, look at what we've done. Aren't we great? We've accomplished our goal in spite of your containment. And then they said, well, we're going to start with 11 nuclear warheads, and that's our bottom line. And then we can negotiate from there.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And I thought, oh, well, we had no choice. Well, look, it's not so unlike domestically, you know, the guy who stabbed a person and then punch somebody on the subway and then got arrested for shoplifting. And it's just like, oh, that guy's been arrested 40 times. And a lot of it was like he just came up behind someone with a golf club and hit him on the head and stuff like that. And like that guy's on the street. and then eventually that guy stabbed somebody on a bus and they kill them, right? And those stories are pretty endless. And the left's version is, don't we already have enough African Americans in prison?
Starting point is 00:44:00 And it's like, you're right, we do. But this guy's now walking around amongst us. And this guy doesn't have an issue of putting his hands on strangers. You know what I mean? And so, no, I do want him incarcerated. And they go, well, the cost or what do we do? where there's so many young African-Americans. And I'm like, agreed?
Starting point is 00:44:24 Now put them in jail. In the meantime. Why you come up with the solution? Well, the solutions are dads, but they don't want to get into the solution. But I mean, my thing is like, these never-ending wars and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yep, I agree. Now let's go kill those guys and destroy their nuclear program. So it's kind of like two things at once.
Starting point is 00:44:44 It's crazy. I'm with you on prison reform. Yeah. And I don't want the big. prison industrial complex and blah, blah, blah. On the other hand, once you arrest a guy 40 times and he's just sort of wandering around, eventually he kills somebody. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:44:59 And that's what we're dealing with, you know. And it's always, it's always funny to hear these fucking politicians where they're like, I heard Jasmine Crockete. She's like, half the people arrested in the ice facilities aren't even criminals. It's like half. I said, we got 50% of them are criminals. You know what I mean? You're like, good.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Look, the lowest level offender you're going to have is just coming into this country illegally. Right. Which is still against the law. It means you need to be deported. And then that will go up to rape or murder. I also saw Jasmine Crockett going, who do these guys think they are? They're not there to enforce the law. It's like they're called law enforcement officials.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I know. It's so funny. They don't seem to understand society. They are. Well, again, governance. No governing. No governing. It's chick think, and they just sort of, it's funny.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I had this funny thing with Mike, which is, I had a chickthink explanation with Mike because we're on a road. And the last time we were in Texas, we had this Audi SUV and a dealer let us drive. It's a long story, but we went down to the racetrack, it was about three months ago. And I think I told you that the car just locked itself automatically, which has happened to a friend or two who had an Audi. The problem is the keys were in the car. And we're just in the middle of a racetrack in the middle of Texas, and the keys are locked in the car. And there's nothing we can do about it. There's no Audi technician.
Starting point is 00:46:38 There's no satellite code. It just saw fit to lock itself in the car. So then, of course, once we got that car again, you know, lots of discussions about do not leave the keys in that car. Like, those keys come with us. When we leave, those keys come with it. And I said, you know, Mike, if I were the wife in this situation, I would be sitting here and I'd be saying, now take the keys this time. Last time you locked the keys in the car. And then you'd go, I didn't lock the keys.
Starting point is 00:47:15 in the car. The car locked itself. It literally left the keys on the dash, got out of the car, shut the doors, walked out, the car locked itself. The wife would say, just make sure you have the key so you don't lock them in the car again, right? And then you'd go, that's not what happened. That's not what happened. And I said, that's fine. But she would go back and she'd have lunch with their friends and go, oh my God, we almost missed our airplane in Texas because Herb locked the keys in the Audi. And then at some point, a year from now, if you got into an Audi again, she'd go, make sure you take the keys so you don't lock the keys in. And I'd go, I'd go, that would just, that would be the story. And there's no amount of talking them out of it. That would be the story.
Starting point is 00:47:59 That would be their story. And Jasmine Crockett has her story. You know, and, and, but so. Is there a Mike story? So does Tim. Did he, did he blame you for locking the keys in the car? No. No. He, I told you. I told you. I told him that would be the story. Mike had an equally semi-retarded Mikeism in Texas. But no, I said this, if that were me, it would get converted into me locking the keys in the thing. And by the way, that's the story that would be passed on by the elders at the campfire for the millennia. You're right.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Jasmine, Tim Walls has a story about Jack Booted Thugs kicking indoors with no. By the way, I love the theme. They come pulling up, dressed in black, no ID, unmarked vans. It's like they have patches all over them with badges and stuff on them. What do you mean? No ID. Unmarked vans, kicking indoors. I know you've said it several times.
Starting point is 00:49:01 It's the Joe Biden's school of rhetoric. Biden would say crazy stuff like that all the time. Yes. You know, Jim Eagle, whipping those poor men. No, no. He would do the... One of the best Joe Biden moments, and people don't give him enough credit for being a supreme narcissist. And kind of a dope at the same time.
Starting point is 00:49:27 You know, like imagine you telling this story. Imagine about yourself, Chuck. Imagine you going, listen, I'd retired. I wasn't even going to run for president. I was just sitting home watching TV. and I saw Charlotte, and I saw those guys walking out of the forest with torches and bloodshot eyes. And I stood up. And I said, you know what?
Starting point is 00:49:51 I'm not golfing this weekend. I'm running this country. Like, it's about, first off, it never happened. Yeah. Whatever he said never happened. Joe Biden never stood up and saw bloodshot. And you'd hear him tell the story over. Over and over.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Oh, you were going to save our nation, Joe. By what? calling everyone a racist in every fucking speech and dividing the nation. Imagine you telling a story about, I was just going to sit back and relax and that I saw a racist on CNN and I stood up and I said, you know what? Not on my watch. It's the most pompous.
Starting point is 00:50:27 Oh, well, yeah. He's got a long history of this. I know, but people do the sleepy Uncle Joe thing. No, no, no. He's a supreme narcissist. What is he said? Second of my law school class or first of my? That's the greatest ever.
Starting point is 00:50:40 But he's also a dope. Because you wouldn't say that. And he would say it out loud. Blood, blood shot eyes carrying torches. And I knew. I mean, that's the greatest. We've got to find that clip. People don't really give him his due for like what a pompous dope he was.
Starting point is 00:50:59 What they do is they go sort of good guy, maybe got, you know, a little addled and sort of take his party, took him over, whatever. But he's good. No, no, he's not a good dude. Yeah. I don't get it. He doesn't know his granddaughter. You know what I mean? His fucking son's up to whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:19 All right. I'll tell you what, maybe for the next show. It's Joe Biden. Now, the good news is he's told the same story 31 times. So it's on somewhere. It's somewhere on the computer. But he was explaining how he decided to run. By the way, he didn't decide to run because the economy wasn't doing his
Starting point is 00:51:38 as well as it should of her mortgage rates were too high. He was going to stop racism. He ran to stop racism and then got up and just talked about racism. He's a good dude. All right. I'm going to be in Santa Ana, March 22nd, the Jordan family classic cars with all the Newman collection. We'll do a live pod out there.
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