The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2078 - Education Corruption with Jill Simonian + the Dissection of Recollection | Part 2

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

 Adam explains his recent fascination with the Baja Marimba Band, prompting Dr. Drew to share how he was inspired to play marimbas in the ’70s, while Adam pushes back on his sister’s claims that their dad toured with the band—even though he was never that great on trumpet. Adam talks about the long road to becoming a successful stand-up, why he likes comparing clashing family recollections (including a new claim that their mom was friends with Carol Burnett), and Drew closes by drawing eerie parallels between Hugh Hefner and Jeffrey Epstein.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on, got to get it on. Judge McGrath been getting on, Dr. Drew, board-certified physician. Digging Specialist. Specialist. All right. We haven't talked on the air about my dad touring with the Baham Arimba Band.

I do not believe. We talked about, you mentioned, I believe, the story about the, was it? Yeah. I think we mentioned on this show. But the, the... Well, you know, because see, I do my show and then I do this show. Well, we also talk on the phone, though, and I get confused sometimes. That's true.

What's on the phone and what's here? That's confusing. No, I think we did talk on the air about... Yeah, I think so, too. Popular band, late 60s, early 70s, session guys. Sort of funny. wait, the Baja Marimba band would not be acceptable in today's world. Because these guys, as I was watching some YouTube videos and stuff, you know, they're on Mike Douglas show and they're doing the rounds, you know.

And Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass was a huge, huge sensation. Huge. And they became a record label that pushed out most of the rock bands of the 70s. Right. Well, they didn't. He did. He said her. But that point is her. A&M records. All right.

So now you have A&M, you have all these session musicians and all these guys. And so they just go ahead and they form up the Baja Marimba band. And it's basically saying, look, if we made all this money with the Tijuana Brass, let's just do the Baja Marimba band and make some more money. And his friend Julius Lek. Wechner. I'm saying it right. Wector.

It's a word that just doesn't want to come out of your mouth. So that's name is Wector. Okay. He's Herb Alpert's friend. So they just go, well, and start that. He's the Marimba player. Yeah, he's the Marimba. I am betting that he did a couple of songs on some of Herbert's performances or something.

I'm sure. I'm sure of it. Oh, we could do a whole other thing here. So they did a whole thing. But the thing that's funny about the Baja. Marimba ban is they're all funny. Now, when you watch them on like the Mike Douglas show and stuff, they're wearing big sombreros. They have mustaches.

They're smoking these long cigars. And they're fucking, well, what do you mean? No, it's 1969. But it's so, uh, it's so, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, I, racist, no, no, no, listen, cartoon Mexicans, you, you, you, everyone, you, you, everyone, you, Everyone's a piece of shit now because that was just considered fun back then. Okay. It was just fun.

They just thought it was funny. I mean, they didn't think that was every Mexican, but if you're in the Baja Marimba band and you want to have fun, like, there were a fun band, I don't know, you know, they weren't a, they weren't radio head, you know what I mean? They were like a fun band. They were there to cover songs and screw around. And they did a lot of screwing around. Like, I can show you, they, they, they fucked around with each other on, like, one guy'd go play this guy's marimbas, the other guy'd play that guy's marimbas. One guy'd hold his arm behind his back and they'd play the marimbas at the same time,

you know, like they were, there were goofballs. Yeah, yeah. And they were like, they were like, they were good, but they're all like fun. So they had, they'll wore. You know, they dress like Tijuana cab drivers, you know. And they had these big handlebar mustache and stuff like that. And right now, they're playing, and then they're also showing them in the audience going, this guy suck, and they're leaving.

Everyone's leaving. They're fucking around right now. Same guys. Yeah, the same guys. Right. Jack Benny's in the audience. Listen to the horn. No way, Jim Carroll.

Jack Benny's got to pay the check now. They're doing a, they're doing a skit. All right, all right. It's a sketch. A sketch, right. All right. So you see them all on stage. They're all wearing sombreros and big moustaches and smoking cigars.

I remember their music being very good. Oh, they're very good. They're all, they're fucking the best. Yeah. They're all. I mean, that didn't sound like, that sounded like a background music at a commuter park or something. Compared to how I remember them being these. Well, no, they're playing songs.

of the era. Yeah. No, that's what them. That's what they sound like. You didn't like that? Didn't think it sounded skilled. I actually, I got to be honest, when I was like nine,

I was a big fan of the Tijuana Brass. You were. And I found my way to the Marimba, and I thought, I'm going to play the Marimba. You did? I'm going to learn how to play this thing. This thing's cool. That lasts about five minutes.

Sure. But I remember it was very much of the time. So I was nine, it was probably 69, 70, something like that, 12. Oh, they're very good band, and they do covers of everything, and they just do their own version of everything. Now, then my dad played the trumpet, and we went to the guy, Julius's house. So here's all I'm saying. I looked up these guys. There's no Mexicans in that band.

They're all session guys, and they're either Italian or Jewish. and they put on the sombreros and they put on the outfits and they lit the cigars and then they fucking entertain people and people liked it and nobody gave a shit. That's all I'm saying.

And that could be the world we're living in now. It can be, but we won't let that happen. No, no, no. The gatekeepers aren't, all the people have freaked out over COVID are not going to let this happen. This is just adult dudes

having fun essentially. And by the audience enjoyed it as well. well. And that's who the Baja Marimba band was. And marimbas are just fun. You know, they're like vacation music. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not. Yeah. So there's that. And then there was the story of me and my sister going to this guy's house and we're a kid, probably lived in like Encino, and he had a party in. I don't know. I don't know if the trumpet playing community wasn't large in the San Fernando Valley in

1972, and we ended up at this guy's house, which seemed to me like a sprawling estate. You know, it had a gate and a driveway and a pool in the back and a second story and a music room, you know, like all the craziness that it would be. And I started kind of drilling down on it and thinking about those times and trying to figure out, I'd realize that I'd had some vague memory of my dad trying out for the Baja Marimba band or something like that.

That was sort of the discussion. Was this in anticipation of that, or is this because he had tried out, they said, hey, we don't have any positions, but come to the party on Saturday, you know. My dad never stopped talking about the trumpet. Yeah. And then this band that had a couple of trumpets in. who was successful, invited him to a party. And I think my dad may have had something in the back of his head like I can try out for this band.

I see. But I don't know that he ever officially did. So he was going to get to know the dudes and see if he could find out when they had auditions or something. Yeah, it's like Chuck over here. He does comedy. You know what I mean? And then he finds out you're doing a comedy show.

and then he goes, hey, that a coincidence. I do stand up as well. And then you go, oh, all right. And then you go, what night? And a Saturday night. Oh, I'm in town. Right. You know, next thing you know, he's up there doing eight minutes.

Yeah. You know, and that's how all businesses kind of work, show business especially. I mean, business is relationships. It is. Right. Yeah, right. So I think my dad was trying to ingratiate himself. That makes sense.

And his greatest dream. would be to go out on tour with the Baham Arimba band. It was very successful. And by the way, it looked like they were having a pretty good time, too. But there was a problem. These guys were all world-class session musicians, and my dad was amateurish on the trumpet. Not bad, but not good.

And this is basically, here's what it is. Are you ready for one of my world-class examples? I am ready. The Baja Marimba ban is the Blue Angels. My dad has his pilot's license and flies a Cessna out of Van Ice. He goes, I fly too. And they go, but not F-16s in tight formations. You know what I mean?

And my dad thought, well, if I just go over to the party where those guys are, maybe they'd let me hop in an F-16. But you can't. See, he wasn't skilled enough to fly that plane. Right. And it was okay on the trumpet, but not these guys are world class, which it sort of brings it to a bigger picture in a weird way, sort of like with my dad. You know, he wanted to do stand up or he wanted to play the trumpet. Yeah, but didn't want to put the time in to get good enough at either one of them to actually do it.

Right. Kind of the way he approached podcasting. Well, I'm saying it's like at the end of the day, whether it's podcasting, trumpet or. flying at an F-16 or playing the trumpet or doing stand-up, sorry, it's 10,000 hours. These are jobs that everyone wants to do, but no one does. You know what I mean? And you're not going to make it in stand-up by,

unless you bust your fucking ass. And he didn't want to work. It's kind of like hosting, too, is that people, and not in the sense that it's in the sense that it's hard to, get the opportunity or figure out how to get the opportunity to get the reps. Right. And then when you go, well, you go do open mics like, mm-hmm, mm-uh. Well, not that.

I don't do that. The problem, the barrier to entry for all of it, all of it, there's two elements. If you want to know the two basic barriers to entry. One is zero guarantees anything's going to work out. And as a matter of fact, you know, it's way less than a coin toss that you'll ever get paid to do this for a living. Correct. If somebody said to anybody, even a lazy person, look, you bang around doing open mics for five years and waiting in line, but you will be playing Madison Square Garden at the end of that five years. Or you'll just be headlining clubs and making good cash.

Everyone would agree to do it. Yes. basically in show business, stand-up, whatever. The deal everyone makes is you are going to bang around doing open mics. What does that mean? Sunday night, waiting in line, performing for free, three minutes, whatever. Yeah. You're going to do that for an indefinite period of time.

If you're lucky, it'll be three years, but it'll probably be more like 10 years. And then at the end of that 10 years, probably nothing will come of it. you want to do that? Well, now it takes a certain commitment to do that, right? Yeah. And that's all. So it's interesting. It's funny this topic's coming up because I've been reflecting on this lately.

I've had recently several peers. I want to be, I want to host. I want to host. I'm like, well, and I thought about it. I thought, well, remember Bruce Hensel, the doctor that was on NBC News here locally? Yeah, Dr. Bruce Hensel. He and I kind of came up at the same time. and I was doing Lovelin for free once a week for 10 years.

I thought I was doing community service. He was flying out to Phoenix and somewhere smaller than Albuquerque regularly to do television hits. They gave him opportunities to do little segments. And he did that for like five or 10 years at his expense. And again, not knowing he would get a show paid gig on as a reporter or as a news medical reporter and NBC. And I thought, oh, yeah, that was the way you did it back then. And even the radio discothecaries, they would start in Shreveport, and they'd do their shifts for five years, and they'd send their tapes up. Remember that?

Oh, yeah. And I said, look, look, that's all they did. And I said to these guys now, I go, look, now it's the golden age. You can set up a podcasting studio in your house. You don't have to fly to Phoenix and do it and do it and do it and prove that you can collect an audience. It's not going to be big. It's not going to be fun. But get your reps in.

Nobody does it. Even still. So my dad was not skilled enough to play with these world-class guys. And I mean, I don't, I'm trying not to be unfair to my dad, but I've seen him play the trumpet several hundred thousand times, and he did not sound like Herb Alpert. I'll put it to you that way. It was, it was, it was, it was fairly rudimentary stuff. And I, I would liken it to, the worst.

You know, like the first chair in a junior high band anywhere, USA. I'd say that with. Not a high school, junior high school. Yeah, yeah. No, no. Because Herb Alpert when he was in high school was probably pretty fucking good. on that trumpet. Guys can get good at shit

in that 17 or whatever. That's true. I mean, like a 14-year-old, 13-14-year-old. First, maybe second chair. But I mean, just a guy who could play the trumpet in a sort of rudimentary way. You know what song he could follow along or whatever, but it wasn't that level.

I mean, I don't, but I would say the same about a stand-up comedian. You know, like, you can see guys they open for you on the road or they're the MC. or whatever, and you're just backstage, and you're going, this guy's fucking bombing up there. You know what I mean? He's not, and then if somebody said, well, how about this guy headline a dozen hours, you'd go, no, no, no, no, no, he's not there yet. And by the way, he may never be there yet.

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Oh, geez. Which is great. It's a deep cut. I love Georgie Girl and I love the Baham Arimba bands. cover of it. So I'm driving home, and I don't think we can play it because we'll get tagged or something, I'm guessing. But I'm driving home, and I'm having this memory of my dad in Baja, Marimba, and going to the guy's house.

It wasn't, we didn't get, you know, I didn't, it wasn't manufactured out a whole cloth. This Julius guy, the head of the band, we went to his house. Maybe more than once, although I don't think so. Just out of curiosity. Was it just a social event or were the performers? My recollection was that it was like a Saturday. And this guy lived in sort of Encino area, which would have kind of made sense back then. And he had a big place.

And my dad, it was extremely rare that we went somewhere and went to a party or some version of that. I here's basically what I would say. I would say this guy who by all evidence died in 1999, by the way, died had to be young. You see from the tape seem like a fun guy. And my dad sort of liked comedy and liked the trumpet. And I'm sure Julius probably liked comedy. Otherwise, we wouldn't put a fake mustache on and a sombrero and do their sort of hygiene.

on stage. And he obviously liked jazz and he liked music. And so somehow my dad along with, you know, maybe 25 other people got invited to a pool party on a July day on a Saturday

in 1973 at this guy's house. I really, I mean, I don't even know my dad was invited, but somebody knew somebody, we showed up, you know. Bring into kids an interesting thing too. Well, you have to keep in mind that my dad, I think we shared custody, went back and forth.

He was stuck with you. Right. There's no way my dad was paying for a sitter or anything. There was no paying for a sitter, right? So we went with him, but I don't mean, I don't think it was nefarious. It was like a pool and free soda. And there was like a pool house in the back. next to the pool with the sodas in there

and then like the main house and we walked up the path and Julius showed us the music room with the Marimba front center and anyway that was all well and good and nothing came out the other end and you know it was back to our

shitty ranch house in the valley with no air conditioning and blah blah blah now but when I visited my sister a week after I had this sort of revelation driving in my car listening to Baham-A-Miramba band, I said to her, which I like to do, I'll do it with Drew on occasion, I'll bounce off, what was your recollection of this thing that I, here's, let's check mine against yours.

We wisely, we are skeptical, we are, we are respectful of the inaccuracy of memory. Yes. We're respectful of it. We have pretty good memories, but we're always, you know, you've got to check it. You cannot rely on it like watching a screen, like a movie playing out. Right. So she then announced that he toured with the Baham Arimba Band. And I said, I don't think he toured with the Baham Arimba Band.

And she had an interesting, it's kind of an interesting way how people connect dots. in their memory and make things so, which is an interesting process that I'm very interested in. She said, remember he went out as a sort of normal guy. My dad was, you know, short haircut or tie. And then came back with a big bushy beard and big afro and entering his sort of, you know, 70s era. Swing in 70s guy.

and she chalked that up to the influence of the Baja Marimba band. Because they do sort of look the way he ended up a little bit. Is that vibe? Yeah, every musician had a, yeah, they weren't hippied out. No. But they had a, you know, it's this Los Angeles. It's the early 70s. You're a musician.

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And he became a single dude and was trying to hip, hip his look up. You know, so she attributed an event. Right. It's interesting, but it's the visual. I think she connected that up in her head. Yeah. You know, these guys looked like that. Oh, he became like them.

He must have been on tour with them. Right. And then she said, remember that time we picked him up from the airport? That's just, it's comical. But he was probably in Philadelphia and came back. You know, by the way, it was true that flying was such an insane. novelty for my dad, which is to say, I don't, I don't know if he ever got on an airplane, like past the age of 40, like ever. I don't know. Like I said, one of my sort of last conversations I

had with them, I remember just going, you've ever been to Hawaii? It was like, nope. You've been to England? He said, nope. You've been to Italy? No, you've been to Europe? No. Any interest? I was just like never been to any of these places. Never just wouldn't get on an airplane. I mean, not because he was scared or anything. It's just there would have money and packing, whatever, something, movement. Right. So I said, well, I think he was just coming back from Philadelphia.

But also, he went on tour with the Tijuana Brass. He just came back alone. You know what I mean? Like there wasn't any discussion about them flying in or the group coming in. There was no bus. Right. Did she, was she persuaded by lack of stories, lack of evidence of touring? I said to her, she was pretty sure he toured with the two on a brass, but only because she'd been telling herself that story for 50 years, more importantly, telling other people. Yeah. And cementing, solidifying it, right? Yeah. So she had that story in her head. And now I was going to disavow her of that story.

story, which is a weird thing. Because now I end up being like my mom or my grandma who was trying to talk somebody out of being in the daughters of the American Revolution. I realized I was doing the same thing they do. But I don't know. Bumbing her high.

Harsh in her mouth. Well, no. She said at a certain point when it became clear he wasn't in the band. I think this is fair. She goes, you know, we come from a family of sort of down-rounders. My mom said, you know, last, that's always there.

It's last. Down rounders. And she said, I'd like to be an uprounder. And I said, well, how about we just be accurate? That's a bummer. Well, no, what I'm saying is, is my mom, if she went to a show that I did and there were a thousand people in the audience and somebody said, Chris, how many people in the audience?

She'd go, oh, I don't, I don't know, maybe a couple hundred. See, that's what she would say, right? Yeah. If you said it to Donald Trump, he'd say there are 5,000 people. Right, right. My thing is, is how about we just say 1,000, because there were 1,000? Yeah. And I'm very concerned about irrational certitude.

How about we have just a little bit of rational uncertainty? Right. Well, she had some certitude about him touring with the Baja Marimba Band. And then I started to chip away at it. Yeah. I said, all dad did was tell hero stories about trumpet heroes. His whole life, second half of his life was sitting around talking about the trumpet. Never came up?

Did he ever tell you one story about being on tour of the Baham-Marimba band? No. No. I said, well, that is almost mathematically impossible if he did tour with the Bahamiramba band because that literally, I'd be like me not saying I was a high school football star. Something's impossible. you're going to hear it, you know what I mean? So think about that, just that alone, that in all the years of sitting and talking with a trumpet in between his legs,

that he never said, here's one we used to play when I was with the Bahama Rimbab band. Here's a little something called Georgie Girl by the Seekers. Nope, never once. And was there ever one picture? Because these guys film themselves. I mean, there's tons of YouTube shit on them. Yeah, why isn't he in some of those pictures? Why isn't he with Mike Douglas?

Right. Right. Well, the answer would be he toured with them. He wasn't, you know, he wasn't. But it was a cover band. I was like, there would be pictures. Yeah. Pictures of him, pictures of him up on playing the Coba or wherever.

back in the day opening for Herb Alpert or Liza Minnelli or something. They must have toured and opened for everybody and did everything and tell you all, oh, Sammy Davis Jr. they hung out with that. You know, my God, the stories, right? There would be Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., and then there'd be the, you know, Andy Warhol. I mean, there'd just be stories. Right. Zero.

Yeah. So she started to lose her grip a little on it. Now, the beauty is, is if you asked her four months from now, if your dad toured with the Baham Ruma event, she would definitely say yes. That's a female thing, right? 100%, even though I made the case. And when I was done, making my case, he did not tour with that band.

And I also had to sadly say at the end, this guy was Herb Alpert's best friend. Herb Alpert's one of the premier trumpeters, trumpeteers in the world. I think Dad's skill level was up to that? You know what I mean? Like, do you really think he had the skill to play in that band? Which is another thing that people don't like about me. But I'm like, hey, fuck you.

Get better at shit. You want to be in a band with world-class players, then be a world-class player. Don't talk somebody into letting you into letting you into. a band that you don't belong in because you're not skilled enough. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Does that make me a bad guy?

No. You know what? And also, it's kind of DEI. You're going to go out on stage and stick out like a sore thumb because you're not skilled enough to play at this level. Or we're going to shove you into Harvard because you're a young black man and you're not going to make the grade. It's not fair to you.

So I talk. her out of that. And then the next story is mom was friends with Carol Burnett. And I had to roll up my sleeves. I had to roll my sleeves and go back to work. Wow. I had to go back to work on that. Yeah.

Let's her rounding up. It's good. I know. There's a kind of an ultimate bottom line, which, by the way, if you think this way, you'll never be burned. You can tell me they went to high school together. You can tell me, you know, dad turned into a hippie, had a trumpet, and all that stuff. You can tell me all that stuff.

I got a couple of bottom lines. If this guy went out on tour for an extended period of time, like enough to turn into a hippie with one of the most successful acts of its time, wouldn't he have made some fucking money? That's the other thing. There'd be some money. Like, he'd come home with money. We would have got something, right? He would have pulled up in a Cadillac. Or at least a little change.

Something. Welfare and food stamps. And he's touring with the most successful premier band in the land. Is he doing the welfare and food stamps too? No, my mom is doing welfare and food stamps. But don't. Because I would have made him ineligible for all that. If that's what he was doing.

But it would be just a little cash coming in? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. All right. I'll tell you how I talked to her out of Carol Burnett after this. All right. So my mom was born the same year Carol Burnett was born.

And she went to Hollywood High with Carol Burnett. But Carol Burnett was not Carol Burnett in high school. Right. Was that even her name? Let me look that up. I guess. She was just a mousy redhead, probably not that popular with the boys, you know. So my mom went to high school with her and may have known her sort of casually through, well, let the boys look it up.

They can look at it. Okay. Carol Burnett, born 1933, still alive as far as I can tell. Carol, Creighton Burnett? Yeah. That's her name. Well, it's not an exotic name, but Britten. I just wondered.

I just wondered. I get it. You know. Graduated Hollywood high and we've figured, figured this one out, like 1950. Mm-hmm. So, so did my mom. All right, don't look at your phone. Okay.

So, wait a done. Okay. Get rid of my phone. Good go. So now listen. Yeah. My mom probably knew her a little bit. Yeah, they probably stood in line at the lunch, lunch table or something.

Something. For classes. I don't think. there was a lot of hanging out. No. But maybe, maybe a little friendship. I had friends in high school that didn't really see much after high school. Everyone did, right?

Yeah. So then it was sort of noted through my sister that my mom was friends with Carol Burnett. So then I had to go to work, which is, if she was friends with Carol Burnett, how come I've never met her? I mean, like, I think about my friends and I think about my kids. Yeah. And I think about these guys who watch football here on Sunday or whoever. They're like, How's Sonny? How's Sonny?

How's Sonny? How's Sunny coming to watch a game? You know, I mean, they're very well acquainted with my kids know all of my friends. Yes. Well, you know, so how is it that we never met Carol Burnett? You know what I mean? She alleged that, like, this was an. ongoing friendship?

Yeah. Outside of high school kind of? A little, yes, yes. Wow. Yes. Caldrett lived in New York for most of the time, I think, right? I really don't know. Oh, my God.

I really don't know. But, A, I didn't, how come neither one of us ever met? Not best friends, but like, yeah, they knew each other. They had a thing gone, you know. Once. So I, first was we've never met Carol Burnett. So that, that seems strange. B, and this is back to my dad, ultimate truth.

He's not good at the trumpet. So how's it? Carol Burnett hang around with my mom? You know what I mean? Yeah. That's unlikely. Very unlikely. My mom who had the only person I know who has sort of less than zero sense of humor.

Like a bad, not not bad sense of humor. no a vacuum. Suck humor out of humans and jettisons it into a space, into a black hole. So no humor at all. And by the way, not what you call an attractive target. You know what I mean? Didn't have money, didn't like to have drinks. Not offering stuff.

Not offering much for Carol. No. They would have never, you know, super successful and funny. And she's hanging around with Tim Conway Jr. and Harvey Corman, you know what I mean? It's not hanging around. Well, even in high school, I mean, I think about high school. I couldn't imagine.

I really couldn't imagine that. But, God, we should pull the class picture up, see if my, I don't even know anything exists. My, so you can find Carol Burnett in high school. Yeah. My, um, my sister also said that my mom worked at Herb Alpert's, wife's dress shop in Toluca Lake. That's specific. I know.

We look, well, here's my, here's, I say, poor, I feel sorry for my sister, but I was like, she worked with Herb Alpert's wife at his dress shop. Yep. Full time? No. Because mom's never left, she never left the house. She'll leave the bathroom. She didn't have a job.

What job is this thing? I don't know what you say. speak of. Like, there was never a thing where I was like, can you give me a ride to Teddy Lewis? I have to be at the dress shop. It's 8 a.m. all Saturday. Yeah. Like, I, as a kid, would remember her going somewhere and being there all day.

That didn't exist. And we looked it up to see if Herb Alpert's wife had a dress shop. She never had a dress shop. How did she put that one together? She also said that we'd been to Herb Alpert's house. And I said, we've not been to Herb Alpert's house. We've been to Julius Wector's house. And she said, no, no, we went to Herb Alpert's house

because we went into his music room and he had like a giant xylophone. And I said, no, that's the Marimba's and that's Julius Wexer. Giant xylophone. Well, you know, Cameronet in high school, everybody. Now can we get Chris Carolla in high school? I don't even know. I don't know. Her last name may have been McCall.

I don't, it can't be a picture of my mom in high school. But anyway, so I was on the road to talking my sister now out of Carol Burnett. Rounding down. Like a good carola. I would argue accurate. I know. It was accurate. course. Then she told me a story I could not refute, which was my mom and my stepdad went to Hawaii.

And while, this is in the, I don't know, the 80s. And while they were in Hawaii, they saw Carol Burnett. And Carol Burnett sort of wave them over and said, like, let's have lunch. Oh, I've got to call John. We've got to call, John, I don't see that. Come on. There's no way that. Come on. And my sister was a little hazy.

She was like, well, maybe Carol just walked up and said hi. I go, how about stepdad John and mom for lunch? No. Like, I don't think so, but it's possible. By the way, I looked it up. Carol Burnett lived in Hawaii for a period of time. How interesting. So it's, but so did Oprah.

And I've been to Hawaii and I haven't seen Oprah. You know what I mean? It's not a first, it's not that I had lunch with Oprah just because she lived in Hawaii and I went to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah. But it's possible. Interesting. I'm not going to try to talk her out of.

Let her have that one. Carol Burnett giving her thumbs up all those years later in Hawaii. How many years later would that have been from high school? For my mom? Yeah. 25. Oh, no, well, wait a second. Sorry.

Graduated in 51. and this would have been 30 years plus. Oh, shit. I'm saying 30, 35 years probably. I'm guessing. It seems unlikely. The Herb Alpert never been to his house and there was no dress shop. Plus your mom's presentation changed dramatically.

Mm-hmm. From the 50s to the 80s. Yeah. No Chris McCall. You can try McCall. It's, I wouldn't be Corolla, I don't think, because, well, it couldn't be Chris Carolla. She had met you. Pre, you know, it was before my dad got off tour.

But do you want to press? It's maybe where they met at the Copa. Could they met at the Copa? In Hawaii somewhere. Oh, maybe in Hawaii. Maybe at the Don Ho lounge where my dad was touring with the, but it was also like, I know. We had Don Ho on Love Light. Mahalo.

It was high the whole time. The thing that was funny, here's what I knew. Nobody knows who Don Ho is. Here's what I knew. Here's what I knew. Hanging out, going on tour with the Bahamarimba band or hanging out with Carol Burnett would make you a winner. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. And so it's sort of like that didn't work with my family. You know what I mean? Like I didn't need to know the specifics. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you could say, you kind of know everybody. You know what I mean?

Like, you could go, yeah, you remember when dad pulled up in that fancy Jaguar sports car from the 60s? And you go, he wouldn't. No, never. That's not him. That's not him. You know what I mean? Or even if someone went like, yeah, I went out to dinner with your mom. She ordered surf and turf and martinis and Nana.

Nana. How do you know? Like, well, I know who they are. You know what I mean? But it's sort of like, you know, someone who's a really shitty employee. And they go, oh, Tim showed up early and I caught him clean mopping the floors. No, you didn't. Like, that's not who he is.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know who everyone is. Well, it's always said, we always say things have to come into focus. There's some detail that will bring it back into focus. Oh, that's, yeah, that's what he is. Yeah, well, you know, hanging out with Herb Alpert's wife would be. a weird scene for my mom because Herb Alpert was at the height of his powers and a millionaire

and his wife, I'm sure hung out with accomplished actresses and, you know, models and stuff like that. And then there's my mom living in a sort of flop house in North Hollywood. Like, I didn't know. I mean, I could, it's possible she could work part-time at a dress shop, I guess, but I, where- But you're putting your finger on something that's kind of interesting. Where was she? From the 70s, late 60s, 70s on, there was a marked divide between the famous, you know, rich and famous and everybody else. Oh, yeah.

There was no overlap. Weird. Yeah, I mean, there's just no, there's just no way Herb Alpert's wife would be chilling with Chris Carolla. Right. And maybe, you know, she could have worked at a dress shop and swept up and put some, blouses out or something. It's sort of feasible if it's really part, very part-timey. But I don't have any, there would be a memory where I showed up at that dress shop and met her Bhopperts. Why? Something. Or there'd be something on record that she owned up dress shop, which evidently she didn't, according to the internet. Can I switch, Todd with for last

I've been ruminating a lot about how Hugh Hefner's behavior was so much like Epstein, absent some of the money manipulation, in terms of using women and sexuality and human frailty as a way of sort of selling things and a way of manipulating celebrities and bringing them in and making, you know, being sort of spokes on the wheel for connections. And his ex-wife now has started talking about it on love. Really? Her name is Crystal Harris. And I've been watching her Instagrams, and I commented.

I'm like, this is the 60s and 70s. She's like going, she's like she's waking up going, now, wait a minute, I was groomed, and there was all this money, and I was just this kid, and there's this gigantic imbalance. And the magazines made $14 million a week or a month, and we made nothing, essentially. And then, you know, we'd have to be showing up and doing favors for men, and all of a sudden, you're getting groomed for this sort of. Are you talking about this second one? Which wife?

I think the last one, I think. Oh, you're talking about the last wife? I think it is, yeah. Oh. She looks pretty young. Oh, oh, I thought for some reason, I thought you meant the first wife. But the last wife. Yeah.

Oh, okay. And it's just interesting seeing her kind of grapple with it going, I think there was like, this was like been grooming of manipulation. The Epstein thing makes her think about it. And my point is there were, I don't, she brought up some, she's also wrote a book and wrote some stuff about me. there being some young women and him being sort of into teenage women. I don't know that.

And that's sort of the difference between the two people, for sure. And one is, you know, over the topic regis. But I just, I just think we need to think more about the 60s and 70s and how fucked up those periods were culturally. And how we just unleashed the sexual revolution and no thought of, I remember this. I was going to tell her this. I remember, do you remember this? this is how bad it got. When we were young, adolescent males,

there was, and maybe it's because I'm a little older than you, we kind of got a dose of this, which was men and women, exactly the same. You know how you wouldn't have sex? You wouldn't have sex? You wouldn't have sex? Girls, they're the same. But they've been told it's bad.

It's not good. It's, you don't do that. But your job is to help them, help them unleash their sexuality. Push harder because that'll help them. So they don't feel so put down by the men. man. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. Crazy shit. Yeah. I heard Weinstein talking about that. I thought, I'm sure he wasn't. He's, he, by the way, said some things lately. It's just wild, wildly disgusting.

He was in an interview, I think, in, was it, a variety or something where he was just to say some things lately. The point is, in this recent article, he was still justifying his behaviors in ways that I found just, but he was a man of his time. That's for sure. And I think we need. need to kind of come to turns with that a little bit. Well, look, we're doing the same thing now with all the man trapped in a woman's body and all this fucking grooming shit with the young kids and stuff, you know, the sex stuff. It's morphed into the trans thing, but it's the same mess and it'll be viewed the same way. Yeah.

You know, history will not be kind to all the transing of the kids, you know. and there's always sort of an attempt to scramble what is like the the there's always a power that wants to scramble whatever it is we're doing you know what I mean so it's like what do you what do people like they like steak all right no more steak What is that? What is that? Stakes bad. And by the way, guess what's ruining the environment?

Steak. You know what I mean? What else do you like? Cow gas. It's what's worse. It's not the steak. It's the source of the steak. I'm just saying, you know,

just they get weird. They get so weird with it as the point. No, but what the fuck do you think I'm saying? Apologian. I don't think steak hurts the environment. It's, yeah, it's cows. I didn't, we didn't have to do that. All right.

So then, um, they go like what else they like? They like cars. You know I mean? Ooh, what are they like? Big, big VA car. Okay, none of that.

None of that. But what is that? Where does it come from? It's nihilistic. It's also... Is it envy? Well, I mean, if you think there is a thing, it's an intellectual thing. And I know it, like I said, for my grandma.

Like, you couldn't talk one sentence without her going, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not how it works. This is how it works. You know, they're always saying, there's always a correction, there's always how it works, it's always what do you want to do? When I want to go outside and wrestle with a dude, well, there'll be none of that. You know what I mean? That's toxic masculinity, blah, blah, blah.

All right, yeah, it's Crystal Hefner Harris. All right, we got it. All right, Sunday. Is it Sunday? Yeah, all right. Santa Ana, California. Jordan Family Class of cars going to be there with all the Newman cars doing. all the stuff my mom would hate.

My mom, my grandma would, oh, they wouldn't understand it. They wouldn't like it. Why? You do that. Why? But so what? So then you go fast. So then what?

Then what? We mean Norfolk, Virginia, and then, sorry, Norfolk, Nebraska, District Events Center, two shows, Friday, Saturday. That's 27, 28th. And then Lincoln on the 29th. You can just go to Amtroll.com for all the live stuff. What do you got, Drew? Look for asked, Dr. Do you Tuesday and Thursday.

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