The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #2083 - Unf*cking California + Why Women Are Addicted to Dissapointment | Part 1

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

Adam and Dr. Drew kick things off with a call from Herb Morgan, who’s running for California State Controller with a mission to restore accountability and expose government waste. Adam asks the obvious question—what exactly does a state controller do?—and Herb breaks it down while also sharing his view that California’s financial system lacks transparency. Drew presses him on how things got to this point, including questions about oversight, NGOs, and the current controller’s performance. Adam also asks for an update on the state’s high-speed rail project. Later, the guys discuss President Trump approving research into psychedelics for neurological disorders and react to a cringeworthy speech from Cory Booker.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on, got to get on the shows me getting a mandate you get it on. Dr. Drew, board certified physician, addiction medicine specialist. How are you doing, Drew? I'm going to a lot on my mind. We have a guest. Mm-hmm.

Herb Morgan is an entrepreneur, politician running for state controller. It also says TV star number one on my bio. Me too. I can't wait. TV star number one. It says TV star, entrepreneur, and politician. I figured. Now, pardon me, I don't, if you're a TV star, not a household name, TV star.

Yeah. But I didn't hear anything about it. Who wrote TV Star on here? And then why would someone do that? Are you on TV, Herb? I am not on television. But I'm willing to learn. And I skipped over it, mostly because I thought,

well, not relevant to state control. It's every, I, okay, here's my problem. I think cut in paste causes a lot of problem. Every young person I know cuts and pace, and then I end up with a lot of erroneous information. Or you just, you type in TV star that you get from somewhere. But anyway, we'll figure it out. Or TV star, though, by the way, is the Numero uno criticism of people running for state and city offices. Steve Hilton.

What does he know? It's a TV star. Yeah, no, no, they don't say TV star because that's not a pejorative. Fox reporter. They go Fox Lackey, or they'll go, or they'll go reality TV. Sorry, yeah, well, the president is reality. Nick, why did you write TV Star on this, on this bio? Sorry.

I use a format from like the old bios, and it was up there, and I must have not deleted it. You've got to check your work a little bit closer, Nick. Yes. Okay. Here we go. I'm sorry about the interview. We're not going to be having it today. We're going around a couple more times about word, you know, how to use the word program.

Well, no, I'll tell you the problem with everything. And Drew's this way, too. Probably. Whatever you're going to say. I am not an insecure person, but the way my wiring works is I look and I see TV star. And then I look up and I go, I don't recognize him from a TV show. and then I think I must have missed his TV show. He must be on some sort of popular show, but I don't watch all the shows.

And then I start feeling self-conscious that we're not going to bring up the show. So interesting. This is different between you and me. I saw that and went, I don't think that's going to be a relevant piece of information to his running for state controller. And if it is, he'll let me know. No, I completely agree. but this is the, if you are known as a TV star, and we don't address that part real quick.

He'll let you know. I don't think so. I don't think so. I know, Herb would let us know. I'm feroently updating LinkedIn right now. What is wrong? I mean, obviously everything's wrong with California. State controller.

Well, first off, State controller, what is that job? Well, state controller is. is, to shorten it, it's the job that's responsible for the prevention of fraud, right? It's one of the eight executive elected constitutional offices, controls the flow of money out of the state treasury to the subsidiaries, county, cities, agencies, et cetera, primarily responsible for pre-auditing all payments to make sure the money's not getting stolen, and then post-auditing to make sure it didn't get stolen. I mean, that's a very simple explanation, but it's accurate.

How is she doing? Yeah, the question my mind is, how did they screw that up so badly? Well, look, people have been hovering around the subject for a long time. They go, look, how is it we spend $24 billion on homeless and we don't have any homes built? We don't have any shelters convert. Like, where is this money going? And then people go, NGOs. And then you kind of go, well, I guess that's a legal form to essentially launder the money.

But now it turns out it's not, there's a lot more than, you know, a, a workaround. Yeah. Well, look, within the tax code, there are plenty of legal write-offs. And, you know, you take your daughter's bedroom and you call it your in-home office and you write that thing off. And everyone does it. And then they're stealing money. and not claiming things. And, you know, I mean, there's an illegal version of what,

and a sort of legal version of almost the same thing. One's illegal. I guess we have both in California. This is definitely the latter. In fact, I authored the paper that came up with, and you hear everybody talking about $425 billion. I was the guy who actually did the research, wrote the paper. This is what launched our California Doge and issue.

that I'm doing with Steve Hilton. And I really think that number is light, because I tried to be as appropriate and conservative as you can be. We went department by department. I used the legislative analyst office reports. I used the governor's own budgets, and I used the state auditor reports. And from that, we came up with just five years,

425 billion fraud, waste, abuse, mismanagement, inefficiency, You name it. California, state government has become a criminal operation. It is the world's largest money laundering operation. I can't wait to fix it. We've got a plan to fix it, but it's very, very sad what's happened to our state. It appears that the Democrats are the ones leading the fight against guys like yourself. They weirdly showed their hand with Elon and Doge.

year ago or so when they were all coming out. And I thought it was a peculiar, weird place to take a stand. You know what I mean? Like, these guys are, you know, it's essentially you're selling a home and you go, good, let me get my home inspector over there. He's not coming into my home. You know, well, why? Something wrong without my house is perfect. Well, let him do his job. No, I don't think so. It's like, okay, something seems wrong. But also, you guys. This is what you call a tell. You guys are getting apoplectic about young computer guys trying to save us money. Yeah.

Yeah, what they did with Doge was incredibly consequential, and unfortunately, Doge is largely dismantled. California's constitution actually gives us far more authority than Doge ever had. The problem is we've just never used it, and so what the Democrats have been doing is slotting in people that are uniquely unqualified to these jobs. Like literally, everybody, you know, you go online, newsome, newsome, newsome, new some, new some, bonte, true, but they're not responsible for stopping the fraud. It is the controller's sole reason for existence. And no, no financial background. I spent 39 years in finance on Wall Street. So I kind of know a thing or two about math.

Oh, wow. Speaking of math, your bio says you're 42. So you started at age three on Wall Street? 42 years. I'm 60 years old. I don't know who the hell gave you this bio. But I like the TV star of 42. That's that's that's gold. I mean, it's just going to keep going with you. Oh, super girthy dick. Wow. I find that on the internet. Six, four, do I dunk? I mean, what else can I do? I don't know. See, my. My problem is, I began saying, Jesus, guys, a TV star. I've never seen him before. And then my next one is, is 42, man. That's some hard living.

Does it have my time as a Navy SEAL and a fighter pilot? Yeah. I got winning the Heisman. I got all the highlights here. The points in the F1 series back in 2007, I think it was. I should have wore my green jackets on the Masters for crying on that. But back to my original question. question. How did she screw this up so badly? How is that? Who's she? The current control is

the current controller. I really think she was never qualified to begin with. And I think what we do. But can you look at what she's done and go, oh my God, here's the error, here's the error, here's the error, where she didn't do this. I mean, you know, it's one thing to be unqualified. It's another to, you know, she must have to show her work somewhere and it must be completely worthless. Yeah, it is. And so, for example, the job shouldn't be a political job. And so the controller has unlimited audit authority, plenary authority over anybody or anything that touches our money. So agencies, counties, cities, police departments, school libraries, you name it. And she gets to pick and choose where she goes to audit.

So there was that little charter school scandal a couple years back. She went deep there. Right. But then there was a public school scandal where they were selling diplomas to Chinese that have never stepped foot in California. Don't audit that one. Right, because she's backed by the CTA. So California teachers, yeah, association. Look, that's the new world order.

The new world order is Haitians or these migrants or whoever. Somalians, are they voting for you? Yeah, okay, Lee Malah. That's kind of, that's what it feels like here. It also feels to me, I agree with you. And it also feels to me like there's a, there's generally a phenomenon with the government, first of all, not governing and just representing. Secondly, not seemingly understanding that the people are sovereign and they're using our money, but in California in particular, 90% of the money they get is from something like 5% or 10% of the population.

So what do they care? Right. They just don't care because this small percentage of the state is actually handing them the money. It's a very small percentage. Our total budget this fiscal year is 300. $320 billion. Put that in perspective, 320 billion seconds would be 10,700 years. Gavin has asked for 350 for next fiscal year, so it's essentially almost a doubling of the state budget in seven years. Yet every metric, every deliverable from education to health care to immigrant services has just deteriorated to the point where no,

Nobody's satisfied. So how do we go from $185 billion, which is absolutely immense by any measure, to 350 next year, and the results are worse? You can only draw one conclusion from that, and that is its total theft of the resources. And don't we have a constitutional obligation to balance our budget? Isn't that in our constitution? And have they just been ignoring that? And how does that work? Yeah, so we've actually redefined the word balanced budget.

This is a beautiful thing about California politics. You guys are here so you know this. You know, they change the meaning of words all the time. What is a woman? So about 25 years ago, the state controller said, hey, you guys didn't authorize a balanced budget. It's the constitutional law. I'm going to withhold your pay.

So instead of just balancing the budget, they actually went to court. they got a judge to tell them that you can define balanced any way you want. So what they do is they budget and they assume they're going to draw the reserve funds that we all voted for for rainy day for recession. We're going to draw those reserve funds down to zero in the budget process. If we actually hit a recession mid-year, then we'll cut services. And so the state controller challenged the legislature at the time. And, of course, they went to a liberal appointed judge.

And they said, no, you can define balanced any way you want. And it's just, it's shocking. I don't know if you guys saw the O'Keefe video last week. Bismarck Obando, who's the, he's the number two at the controller's office. He was on a blind date. And by the looks of the guy hasn't had many dates. and he's got his wine going and he's bragging about, we just don't do the audits.

100%. There's fraud everywhere. We don't want to find out. The politicians don't want us to find out so we just don't do them. Wow. Wow. Well, let me ask some question. I mean to ask somebody.

Given NGOs are clearly the primary laundering mechanism, why are they allowed to continue? So I don't know if they're primary, but I think they have the highest loss rate. So the NGOs, particularly around the homeless services, many of the arrests that have been made, not by our own attorney general, by the U.S. Attorney Bill of Saley, right? Rob Bontas crew is not prosecuting these crimes at all. Those are in the neighborhood of 70% of the grant received in the ones that were arrested, that went to range rovers and private jets and private schools and everything else. And then there's just another different percentage in all the programs.

The biggest program, dollar-wise, is Medi-Cal, which is our version of Medicaid. Dr. Drew, you know about that, obviously. The EDD, the Employment Development Department, $55 billion over five years. CalFresh, which is our administration of the federal SNAP program, which used to be called Food Stamps. That one, I've got at $25 billion. And, I mean, I can just go down the line, and it's going to add up to $4.4. 425. But why NGOs?

Why don't we undermine the capacity to do this? Why do we allow these NGOs to exist? Or why don't we change the structure of what that thing that's called an NGO is? Well, you're on to something there. So the NGOs, just so everybody understands, the way we deliver homeless services is not the way we deliver police services, right? So we have a police department. They are employees of our cities, of our cities.

but with homeless services, we just grant money to NGOs. And because we're so rich and our budget is so big, we've gotten really good at handing money to people and say, take care of this problem. But what we failed to do was put in proper controls, right? So financial controls of an NGO receiving a $25 million grant should be we get to see every transaction that you do every single day, right and of course

there are great NGOs that are not ripping the public off that are providing valuable services and we don't want to harm them or dissuade them right haven't seen those I don't well you don't hear they don't make the news

I really I haven't see more I have a trailer out there listen I have a different approach to this which is if you build it they will come if you put out all of these services if you say look

if your kids on the spectrum of autism, you're going to find a lot of kids on the spectrum of autism. Every single thing is dogs at the airport. There were zero dogs at the airport because they didn't allow dogs at the airport. And then they said, well, allow seeing-eye dogs. And that was fine. And then at some point, it turned into service dog.

And then you got a bunch of dumb yentas and dogs. And it's a fucking kennel now because you opened it up. It's not what they're doing. They are taking advantage of the system. They're not even lawbreakers in a sense. I mean, we know they're full of shit because their dog has a bedazzled leash and it's 14 feet long. And the dog's obviously not providing a service just like your kid is not autistic. But we did it to ourselves.

We opened it up. We have so many services and so much bullshit that everyone is gaming the system. But it's not, they're not criminals. They're just people who want to fly with their dogs. In many cases, there are criminals, and we know that now. No, in many, but lots of it is just folk wanting in on something. We made it too easy for people to get free food, free. We made it super easy.

Sign your kid up to school. Check this box. We'll just get free food. The government should not be so involved in our lives. Right. The government should not be so involved. Yeah. If the airport wants a loud dog, that airport should figure out if they want to allow dogs and how. Sorry. All right. We'll take a quick break. Hang on her. And when we come back, we'll ask her about, you know, these young TV stars. Usually they're tutored on set.

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And basically, California, which is a sort of Democrat supermajority, is fighting fixing it. Yeah, they want to stop Nick Shirley. Yeah, they want to stop the auditing and stop the reporters that find it. So that doesn't exist. To be fair to the Democrats. It's consistent.

It's consistent. If enough kids from a certain group are failing in a certain subject, they want to get rid of testing. Yeah, get rid of grades. So they essentially want to get rid of the reason. It's basically, you're morbidly obese, get rid of the scale.

Whatever system detects the problem in their ideological frame. They want to get rid of that, which is a way to get rid of the problem. I mean, in a certain sense. I mean, if your house is riddled with termites, if your house is riddled with termites and you don't have a termite inspector, then you have a clean bill of termite health. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's an old expression. What gets measured gets done, what does.

doesn't get measured is not a problem, right? And that is a business axiom. It is absolutely true in the state of California. You hit it. You nailed it on the head. We have this thing called in-home health services program, right? So Herb, who's not 42, is feeling a little old and in need of some health care. So his buddy Adam comes over and signs up to provide in-home care to Herb.

The Herb provides in-home care to Adam. And so we both get a little check in addition to our unemployment check. And then we have to join the union. So all those in-home health care services people, and the number of people and the money we're spending is going up 15% a year. Like we don't have our population is going down 1% a year. But to your exact point, Adam, it's now 15% more people than last year paying union dues into SEIU. And that SEIU just turns around and funds all the Democrat politicians. so they don't have to do the rubber chicken fundraising dinners

and to beg for the donations at herbmorgan.com that I have to do every freaking day or week. This is really how government Fs everything up. The in-home supportive services are a good idea, right? It's a good idea. Let me just stop real quick. Everything is a good idea. Yeah, yeah.

In essence, you know, we don't want kids to go hungry. It's all a good idea. It doesn't, it gets exploited. almost immediately. Go ahead. So Adam does this. So you think, well, the government is what's screwing this up. They require the union and the ED.

Everything's got to be involved. So let's fund somebody in the private sector. We'll call them NGOs. And we'll let them administrate this. And it gets even worse. So the government needs to change how it operates in some way. It's just, it's something is very, very, just something's wrong in terms of this. We have a good idea.

We'll operationalize it. All the laws that are. and regulations on top of it ruin it. So then we handed it to a private sector and they just launder money. So how do we, you know, how do you fix that? And that's a question. B question, how did you get talked into this? This seems like a horrible job.

So I actually have a plan and that's why I'm running. I actually was researching this because I want to un, I can say a fuck. I think I can say it on your shoulder. We're looking at it. It is, it's over my shoulder. And I was getting near retirement. I just retired a couple weeks ago from, you know, 39 years in finance. You know, the state is too great, too many resources, all the stuff we know.

How do we, what's the problem? The problem is financial. So I got on a plane, I flew up, this is a year ago, to the GOP convention. And I set a meeting with the chairwoman at the time. And I said, the key to fixing the state is through the controller's office and nobody knows it. And she goes, I don't know it. What are you talking about? And I explained it to her, explained, this is the office with the,

actual authority to fix the state. And she says, great, when do you want to run? You know? And I laughed. I said, no, I want to support whoever it is. I'll make a donation and all that. I flew back to San Diego. And I was playing golf with a buddy of mine, who's a former Navy SEAL. We started talking about service. And I said, I could never serve the way you serve. And he said, yes, you can. Go run and fix the state. And I never served in the military. I regret that.

You know what? This is my way. Herb, I have a, I have a friend who's former Army Ranger, and he did the same damn thing to me. He goes, I served. Now it's your time. Some country needs you. Exactly what he did. It gets under your skin when people talk to like that. Especially if you've had four Guinness and three bourbons after an 18-hole round.

And this guy got me and now I'm into this. I'm a year-in. But I did write a plan and the plan is called radical transparency. So it's real simple. The controller has authority to mandate the method of financial reporting. We have not updated the method and technology of financial reporting since the 1879 constitution. She sits in her office and people mail like a binder and say, here's our financials. And the NGOs, they don't even do that. The NGOs get an attestation. It's an email,

I attest that I didn't steal the money. Right. There's no verification. So I go to Starbucks and I buy a cup of coffee and my phone sends me a transaction report. So I tell everybody on the campaign trail that I'm the trans candidate, right? I'm going to get a transaction report. And so as a condition of releasing the money, I'm going to mandate transaction level reporting on a daily basis. It doesn't cost more. No more people are needed. No biogender diversity studies are needed.

You simply have a secure electronic connection from the recipient of the funds to the entity that granted the funds. That's the state controller's office. So every time they swipe their credit card, they do an ACH debit, a wire, a check, a payroll deposit. The transaction is written to a blockchain ledger. The blockchain ledger is immutable and unhackable. It's available open source, anybody in the public, kids at Caltech, UCLA, Stanford, any researcher, home economist, a PTA mother, can see every transaction in the state that happens every day. we have the technology. It's scalable.

It's super cheap. I could do it with half the staff they currently have in the controller's office. And suddenly, sunlight is the great disinfectant. Always. Right? When the guy wires $2 million to Amex out of his NGO's checking account or when the guy buys a $7 million dollar Brentwood mansion with his NGO checking account,

every one of those transactions is recorded and it's public. That's step one. we can do it quickly and I can require it. I got the legal opinions on this and say, okay, well, if everybody sees every transaction to the extent they're interested, how do we then analyze that data? Well, now AI is so powerful and so scalable and so good. There are companies right now that you can hire to come into your business and they'll scan five years' worth of your bank statements and tell you how you could have saved $20 million.

Like in an hour they can do this. Is any other state doing anything like this? No. This is all in my silly little brain. And so now I'm out there trying to, you know, tell everybody in the state that will listen to me about it. I mean, I've been to a lot of rubber chicken dinners and coffee breakfasts in the back of a Chinese buffet. I was in a Chinese buffet in Torrance last night telling people like, this is how we unfuck California. It's called radical transparency, every transaction every day. Then we use AI to analyze it. So I put it on a white paper on my website, herb morgan.com. The white paper is pretty clear. We're going to have a thing called the Transparency War Room. I think NASA Control meets Wall Street Trading Desk. I came from the Wall Street side.

All the data comes in 24-7 and AI analyzes it and compiles it. And so when I come in the next morning as the controller or my team or the auditors come in, it's already flagged 50 things for us to look at. Like right now we're on MS DOS basically doing nothing. We don't want to find the fraud as evidenced by the Bismarco Bamba video. And I'm thinking this is insane because I think there's 25 to 30 percent in the state budget. We could cut and deliver higher level services. Like who could possibly be opposed to that?

Well, I mean, listen, look, it has become us versus them and we're at a point where most Democrats were praying that that downed pilot was not found in Iran. Oh, man. That's where we're at. And I hate to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I am telling you, most Democrats wanted to see that guy paraded down the main street in Tehran. I swear that's what they want.

We're now at the point where we're no longer into love of country. We're into hatred of Trump and Republicans. So you want to know why are they against Nick Shirley? Why are they against Elon Musk? Why are they against the Doge guys? They're not against them. They're against Trump. And those guys are for Trump.

And that's where we're at. They wanted that pilot not to be found. I know. I wouldn't have said that 20 years ago. I'll say it now. So they don't want any of the shit to work because it's coming. You just heard Gavin Newsom had that thing where he's like, he did this great speech where he,

and that's, that's new some, Dr. Oz is doing that since we've been at this for years. Welcome to the party, Oz. We've been doing this. Like, he's acts like he's been doing it. And Oz is, by the way,

if that's true, you've been completely ineffective. and incompetent. Of course. Of course. But last question, Herb, I know. We're at a point where it's essentially we're getting a divorce and the woman is so pissed off.

She wants to give all the money to the lawyers. And you're going, how about the kids? And they go, fuck you. And that's where. And you go, but why? But don't you want the, I don't, fuck you is what I, that's what I want is fuck you. And that's, that's what happens. By the way, women do this much more than.

do, and we got a lot of women in California. So, last question of, the bullet train. That one seems insane to me, but how does that one work? So the bullet train is what we call a mega project, a big KAPX mega project, total cost overruns, no track laid. Originally it was San Francisco to Anaheim, now it's Bersfield, and it's not getting built, the feds pulled the money because of mismanagement. Here's the crazy thing about that. If the governor were to pick up the phone and call the high-speed rail CEO and say,

hey, are you out of jail after your domestic violence arrest? Can we talk? And he talk, and they say, hey, send me the checkbook. I want to see what you guys have done. Legally, the high-speed rail CEO can say, no. There's only one person in the entirety of the government that they can't say no to. It's the controller. That's why it's the key if we're going to take it back. And then just one thing, Adam, everything you said about Democrats is true, but it's the Democrat leaders and electeds.

I don't think it applies to their voters. And I don't think it applies to the MPP voters. I think they've been misled and hoodwinked. And it's up to us to sell them a better product. And I think we have a better product right now. You know, the no party preference voters, 78% are former Republicans. So I got to get this word out.

I got to get people on board. But we can fix this state. Money and finance is the cause of the problem. It's also the solution. I would clarify it even more. I don't think you have a better product. You have a product. They don't have a product.

Their product is status quo something. You know, you can look at it. Well, is it the homeless situation? Is the potholes in the roads? Is it infrastructure? Is it education? Is it the bullet train? Is it the dirt mound that's going to go over the freeway?

For the bobcats or the butterflies? Okay. The way I perceive it is you don't have a product. Your product is a status quo. Your product is not getting fired. That's essentially what their product is. Nothing is coming out the other end. I'm not seeing any.

I'm representing, dude. I'm not governing. I'm representing. Right. One last question. Have you thought about going to Scott? I think the blockchain thing is such a great idea. Have you thought about going to Bacent and just sharing that with him, seeing if that's something they could use?

Who's percent? Hold on, Drew, Treasury Secretary. All right, Drew, what do you? I thought everyone knew who he is. Everyone knows who Bacent is. No, you don't say Scott. You know what Bacent is? You know Bacent is.

Ask everyone that's building. They know who Bessent is. To me, that's an indictment on this country, by the way. Scott Bessett? Bessett? Scott Besson is the Treasury. Okay, you're not even pronouncing its name right, Drew. I've talked with the guy.

I used that presentation to his face. I've said you 10,000 times. Would you put a stupid title under whatever? Bessent. Okay. All right. Andrew, please connect me with the Secretary of the Treasury. I would like that very much.

Yes, that'd be amazing. I'd be happy to share. Okay. All right. All right. Talk to Bessent. All right. Herb, what's the website one more time?

It is Herbmorgan.com, and all the socials are at Herb, the number four controller. Give us a visit, give us a tweet, all the good stuff. Look forward to seeing you on Nickelodeon. Reruns, of course, young, young Herb. TV star. Godspeed. Say hi to Steve Hilton. Yeah, please.

Who's a candidate for governor. See what I did there? And my running mate. I will see him later to see him. Give my love. Tell him I made, you can't forget this. Tell him I made chicken paparcache the other night, and it was killer. That's a Hungarian dish, I take it. Yes, it is. He'll know exactly what you mean. All right. We'll take a quick break. We're right back after this. Thanks, guys. Thanks, sir. Lucy, I'm an adult, and I like to enjoy nicotine pouch when I'm unwinding after a long day. And that's why I'm happy to be talking about Lucy. By the way, other people around here enjoy the Lucy products as well.

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Give me a break. And so you're already accused me of not being a human being for you able to judge who I need to identify and who not. I have made a huge deal my entire career over people. Okay, let me explain the extreme version of Radio Bad. Oh, yeah, yeah. The extreme version is when somebody. walks around and they walk into the control booth and then you do the I know that dude and then you continue on that's the extreme version yeah the second extreme version is women kids and old dudes

when you interview them they go like well I'm sitting around I'm talking to Gus Perry Winkle Gus says me I go no one knows who that oh he runs the he he was a team owner for the whatever team I go okay just say I was talking to the team owner. Because no one knows who Gus Perrywinkel is, right? Yep. Women do that all time. Kids do it.

And old dudes just rattle off fucking names that you've never heard of. Yeah. That's, uh, my whole thing is, I need the title and the clarity. But we don't need Trump. We don't. But Kirk Cobain doesn't get called Kurt. Right. He's got to become.

Now, there is a version that even I don't even like. but you can be talking about Nirvana for 20 minutes and go, I spoke to Kurt, and that'll do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still want Kirk Cobain. No, you're absolutely correct about that piece. And ultimately, the old guy piece is it's such a part of their cultural landscape for so long. It may have been 20 years ago that they are not aware of the fact that 20 years has gone on since that person. Nobody ever knew who that guy was.

That's the problem. Oh, in the real world? In the real world. No, no one ever knew. No one really knew who those guys were, but they keep talking anyway. And then what, like Elaine Kuladi comes in here, and she'll be talking about city councilmen and district selectmen and stuff. And I'll go, nope, people don't know the name. You have to say, just say district selectmen.

No, all you have to keep the listener's point of view in mind. Yes. Yeah. And it's kind of a narcissism when you do. don't. So I agree with you a thousand percent on that. However, I've explained to you before, the walking in the room stuff was a style of radio in the 80s. Yeah, I know. I get, I get you do your renegade radio. But I just, it's in my head, you know, it's part of my, my, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to. All right, let me talk about this one thing, which is that Trump signed a,

some sort of another, you know, executive action to allow testing and maybe use of psychedelic drugs. I haven't seen the exact order yet. But it's a good thing. I mean, it's a good thing that we have testing. This has been coming for a long time. I know some very fine colleagues that use psilocybin, particularly with great results they claim. They report. Ibogaine is not going to prove what people think it is.

My patients have been using it for decades. And thus far, and I shared, Dr. Bruce, I shared some notes with him. He had the exact same experience. People go, they use it. They stopped doing opiates for about. four to six months, and then they go back. And they go back hard sometimes because they're not doing any program. And so it's not, it may have some utility, we may figure out how to use it.

And good, we're going to start asking the questions. Is it good? Is it bad? What are the risk? And how do you use it? And it's about time. Why it has taken so long is, to me, not big pharma. It's just our weird, fucked up cultural attitudes about chemicals.

These are bad. They're dangerous. They're psychedelic. Remember from the 60s? We made marijuana a psychedelic and something that has no, you know, should never be around humans. What happened to microdosing? It's around big time. And people got hurt by it.

I saw it. Listen. Diet and exercise. Of course. Cold plunges, hikes in the woods, breaking a sweat, getting up all the saunas, just the stuff. This stuff everyone's known. Everyone's done. Romans did it.

You know what I mean? That kind of stuff. Like literally. Just sit in a sauna for 10 minutes, then go take the cold plunge, hit the workout and whatever and just do your thing. Mixed also with like some successes, some ideas. You know, hey, I always wanted to write a cookbook and I wrote a cookbook, you know, that kind of stuff. I don't like the outsourcing of sanity. I don't like it.

I know everyone is looking for something. Say that differently so people receive it because it sounds like the opposite of sanity is insane. We're not talking about that. We're talking about being a human, like being healthy as a human. Shouldn't be outsourced. You know what I mean? Well, it shouldn't come in a pill. It shouldn't be really hard.

It should be hard to be a good human. It's just to be some work. It's all really coming down. For me, it's the whole delayed gratification part. and this fucking grubhub and next day delivery and 24 hours, you know, drive through the fast food open 24 hours. We have fucked up our delayed gratification part, and it is screwing up young people badly. And it's screwing up society badly. And then there's just another medication.

Get out and get your fucking hands dirty and get busy. Now, the problem is, is no one can do it anymore. They've, like, kind of lost their, well, look, if you said to anybody, let's just use my $10,000 rule. You have to jog, you have to walk five miles a day every day before work. And at the end of the week, if you make it Sunday, I'll give you $10,000. Then everyone does it. Right. All right.

So we all know you can do it. Right. Because I just offered you 10 grand. Right. And you did it. So you were bringing up something you and I talk a lot about, which is that no one talks about human motivation, you know, what an important system that is in our brain and how we have to learn to kind of master it and we have to learn to amplify good motivation and, you know, suppress bad

motivation. I don't know if people work this way and I would be curious. I work with a... Chuck, these are pearls being dropped. Listen carefully. Oh, Chuck's doing. I work in a... He's like Tetris.

In a motivational way, which is if I know I'm going out to a steakhouse that night, I literally don't eat that day because I'm looking forward to this payoff. And if somebody brought sub sandwiches for lunch and brought a whole, I would be frustrated and go, God, I don't want to eat this. You know, and there'd be like a battle or something. And I really can't enjoy a Saturday off. And I can do nothing for that Saturday and not beat myself up. I mean, I can be drinking a beer in my bathrobe at noon on a Saturday because I've worked the last four Saturdays. And now I can do this. If I didn't, though, it would fuck me up.

So I don't know why more people don't just sort of put that thing out in the distance. and tough it out a little bit and then reward yourself. Yeah. And then repeat the cycle. The other thing that bothers me in addition to just, you know, working hard at being a good human, then it should be hard, right? Is we've also, at the same time, we've lost track of what actually is sick. When somebody's actually sick, we're like, hey, come on, must be the vaccine.

And you need to go, you need to try. this, you know, thistle. It'll help you be better. It's like, no, no, no, there are sick people. People have always gotten sick, and they need help. And there's people that know how to do that. Yeah, but everyone, everyone is over. We've lost track of what it is.

Jesus Christ. No, no, no, we've lost track of what sick is. Everyone has great anxiety. Dude, that's the point. It's not sick. Somebody gets somebody psychotic. They go homeless. They just live in their best life.

They're homeless. All right. I don't know why, but there's a great Cory Booker, that he's the, I don't know, what is his title? Cory Booker. Senator Cory Booker. Yeah, I guess. And then there's a Kamala Harris clip too, which I wanted to play because the reason I was

interested in it is when you talk to Herb Morgan, he's got a plan. Yeah. And everyone else on the Democrat side's plan is to stand up and fight and to push back, which is super attractive to double. to dumb people and women and fat black women love it. It's like their favorite thing. Stand up and fight. And then we're going to fight.

Everyone's going to fight. I don't really want the fight. I want the plan part. You know what I mean? Like I want to know what the plan is. But now that's attractive. And by the way, it's attractive to old dumb white chicks too. Like, we're going to fight.

What do you? I would argue. You're standing in front of a Tesla dealership in Burbank. at noon on a Saturday. What exactly is going on? And by the way, that was nine months ago, and you fucks didn't get anything done. So who gives us shit?

Well, I would argue that the white women don't get anything done. The black women do get stuff done. It's just not going on the right direction. But it hurts that. Yeah. They get shit done for them and it fucks up their community. We should funnel that in a good way. But these guys take advantage of it.

All right. Here goes, Corey. Ladies and gentlemen, there is a storm in our nation. There is darkness and wind. People are getting hurt. What we need is not from on high. We need foot soldiers of our democracy who in times of trial are willing to stand up. Will you stand for our democracy? Will you stand to get out the vote?

Will you stand for our children? Will you stand together? Unified, strong. People need. We are Democrats. It's time for a new deal. It's time to redeem the dream of America. Thank you.

I don't mind rhetorical flares. You know what I mean? Well, shut up. I really don't. Everyone stood up. It's all done now. They stood. I know.

They stood. I'm not saying it's a good idea. Half of them are morbidly obese, so that little difficulty standing. But they got up. And then problem solved. So, well, here's the whole point. California is going to elect him instead of her for state controller. And then you're going to be.

fucked. It's always been that way. Great rhetoriticians get in. That's not even great, though. You've got to be dumb for that to appeal to you. You have to be. You have to be. But have you ever studied rhetoric? No, but I'll tell you this. The rhetoric has like three components. So one is just emotion. That's it. Look, it's all chick think it's all emotional. Let me tell you something about rhetoric, Drew. Yes, Adam. Rhetoric, when the coach shows up for his first day of practice and gives a rousing speech about bringing the school back to number one and annihilating Notre Dame this year. That's fine.

Yeah. And it's fine for excitement and a standing ovation. That's all it is. When you're getting into year 22 of a season where you lose every fucking year to Notre Dame, then I'm worried about, then the rhetoric is different. But this is different. What if somebody with a plan developed rhetoric like that and got the ear of a good population? Right.

But the guys with the plans don't have the rhetoric. I know. That's a problem. Why don't we teach them to get up with the flare? Well, no, that's Trump. Yeah. All right. So let's listen to Kamala from the other day.

This country is ours. Oh, okay. It doesn't belong. I agree with that. It belongs. Agreed. All right, so there we go. But anyway, Herb's got a plan, is what I'm saying.

You guys want to stand up and fight. And by the way, if somebody like Kamala would hire a herb, I'd be happy. They would never work with someone like that. Right. Now, I've told you a million times, the rhetoric satiates and satisfies, and that's the fucking problem. My mom would hear her speech, go home and feel like something got done. And nothing will get done. All right, Friday, Saturday, May 8th, 9th.

Las Vegas over Kimmel's Club, and then four shows. And then Thursday, when I get back, May 14th, Covina. And then Friday, May 15th, Veselia, California, the Fox Zero. That's a good place. Saturday 16th, Modesto, California. Oh, they should be just putting the finishing touches on that. Just a light coat of Carnuba Wax. So it cheats the win, Drew.

I'll beat the Modesto State Theater. It'll be Saturday, May 16th. Oh, go to the merch store. We got some cool stuff there. What do you got? Go to Dr. Drew.com. And go to Adam Crowell.com. Until next time, I'm McRoeh, and Herb Morgan, San.

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