The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #567 - Big Bad Drew

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

April 26, 2017 - Adam and Drew open the show hitting on the Oppositional Defiance Disorder they discussed yesterday, and Drew observes that Adam is surrounded by so many of those kinds of people that it must be that he is attracted to them. They then turn to speaking about Adam’s relationship with his father and how Adam has had to evolve that relationship over the years. Later they turn to the phones and speak to a caller who lost a sibling to a heart defect and a caller wondering what’s going on with Drew’s shoulder.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We continued a discussion in this particular episode, and Adam observes that many of the people around him seem to be have this disorder, and perhaps he is attracted to them. And then we turned to speaking about Adam's relationship with his father and how Adam has had to evolve that relationship over the years. And then we turn to the phones and speak to a caller who's lost a sibling to a heart defect. And a caller wonders what's going on with my shoulder. Something I still am struggling with. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician

and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. No choice but to get on. Mandate, get on. Thank you guys for tune in. Thanks for telling a friend. And thanks for all you do for us. We do appreciate it. Jeez. Drewski over there, buddy. We see each other. We start getting back into that oppositional defiant talk again. Yeah, we love it. Should we pick it up again?

No, I've done it out. Let me just do one thing. Because I had an insight as just the mics are hitting up, is that you have lots of those people in your life. I do. And so you, there must be some fiddiness with you and people with that kind of personality. whether it is just that your parents had something like that or whether you like knocking your head against the wall that somehow is some weirdly gratifying. One could argue that it's, well, first off,

being angry like that's rewarding. The frustration feels good somehow. There's something to it. I agree with you on that. There's many more of these folks out there than meets the eye. You don't, it's a, it's a syndrome that you don't really think exist to the extent it does exist because it doesn't make sense. Well, no, you see it mostly in kids and adolescents.

That's when it's overt. Yeah, but we all. Later it looks like narcissism, that's all. Yeah, we don't understand. Or it goes criminal. It goes one way or the other, you know, that sort of. Right. So you don't, and yes, there's got to be some participation by me and this, although most,

I think a lot of people are just sort of out of it, and they don't really notice it. I can key into it with people. I don't think other people that know other people that know Ray just think is an asshole. Right. You engage it. The rest of us, like, oh, okay, fine. You engage it. You want to change it.

Yeah, I agree. We don't even try it. Like, forget that. We know it's not worth it. It's, again, mommy, mommy, mommy come out of the bathroom, stop freaking out. Yes, I agree. Yeah. I'd like it to change

I would but mostly because I care about them I understand but they didn't change it they didn't ask you I guess so care about them that way no but here's the problem they didn't say please help me change

they asked to be on they ask you they asked to be on the TV show and now and leave me alone okay well they didn't say that part they didn't say it would be on the TV they didn't say one was more important than the other the problem is is you can go

and here's what the average person would do they'd go, yeah, we have a PA job over here. You could try it, see how it goes. And when they fuck that up, you go, oh, I tried, man, I tried. I was getting you, you would be all the way up if you wanted. I get it. My feeling is, is you bring them right out of the set with you. Like, you bring him into the fire.

Well, think about it. No, because I knew, I knew Rave's good carpenter, and I knew, first off. And you also knew he wouldn't see an improv instructor and he would not. No, I did not. this opportunity and he would not do it. You always say, I know he won't change. I know he won't change. I did not know.

Well, look, first off, going and taking an improv class I didn't look at is changing. That's, I didn't look at that. It came from you. It's a suggestion. No. I did not know that that's how steeped and deep it was. I thought he was excited about the show. I thought he looked at the show as an opportunity.

and maybe a stepping stone to do something else. So when I suggested, shut up, but you fell for it. Shut up. So when I suggested taking an improv class, I really had no clue that that was going to be rejected. Yeah. That I didn't. I understand other things. Yeah.

But that was sort of, oh, as long as you're running down this road. You fell for it. Go do this. Yes. I did. All right. It's interesting, though, right? It is.

It really. Really the important thing is to look at our own participation in this shit. Because he'll change if he gets disgusted or ashamed or whatever. It gets good therapist other than another oppositional defiant dude like your dad. And, you know, my mom is worse than my dad. I don't think my dad's not, my dad's a lot of almost all bad things, but not that. Not that. My mom is oppositional defiant.

Yeah. My dad isn't. My dad's, my dad is out of it. my dad is out of it so when he doesn't drive the least car the way you asked him that's not oppositional that's an interesting point my dad is

when he doesn't show up at some of the things that you ask him to do no I don't ask him to do anything because you stopped oh yeah well so there well there you go there's a mark for me I stopped asking and I didn't lease him any more cars true you're learning it's good

I learned that a decade ago I said you're not driving the car No more. No, actually, my dad, not driving the luxury car that I leased him when it was going to be turned in in a month. And he was actually, if you want to think of the worst businessman on the planet, he was in negotiations with me to lease him another car for another three years, literally negotiations because this car had even gone past its turn-in date. If your car goes interesting, see if you can engage Ray in something like that where he's, He has to do something to negotiate and see if he doesn't do exactly what your dad did. It'd be interesting, right? Well, it's interesting with my dad why he's the world's worst businessman and why you're right. I'm coming around to him with this example and your example of this.

It is a syndrome. And the reason it's a syndrome is because guess what one person on the planet wants a free lease. automobile for them to drive the most in the world my dad yeah who is the guy who is going to battle to the extent that I decide to never lease him another car and by the way I leased him cars you know three years three years three years I had a decade of like leasing him luxury cars it's been 15 years he's never getting another car for me and guess you know what that and you know what he probably looks at his see You're not the boss of me.

He probably literally feels like a victory. Think about that. If that's not a syndrome, I don't know what is. It's a syndrome. Because he's not resentful. He doesn't feel bad about it. He's not sulking about it. He's never come up again.

See, see old man? I got you. It's never come up again. Isn't that, though? Isn't that right in the center of the hurricane? You know what I mean? Inside the storm. Which is I will fuck myself up not to give you into you

in your demands, old man. Well, the key of that, yes. You're right. So I lose the car. I'm not resentful because you're not the boss of me, man. It's interesting. Even though he really wants the car, he just doesn't even admit that to himself. It's an interesting thing because I've always quietly wondered how come there's no doubling back.

Yeah, because it's done. He proved himself. You see? The thing I always find about this oppositional. defiant issue is how come none of these people, how come my phone doesn't ring at 10.30 at night? And they go, hello? And I go, hey, hey, listen. It was stupid. I get it. If I lease someone a car and they drove their wife's car and they didn't drive the car and the mileage thing. And I would. What would you feel when you made that call? Well, whatever you're feeling, in eight to 12 minutes, you're getting a new car.

Yeah. You can get a new car. If you make that phone. call no because you can't feel the shame so you flip it to i want very interesting it's so crazy it's so are we not nutty as humans well not me but yeah not me either that to me is like in terms of uh my uh progress and drew claiming i'm seeking it out i cut that old fuck right off and i was like okay dave you're not getting another car yeah and i've never got him another car and I don't wrestle with it and I don't talk to them about it. Now, you could argue, you could, there's a flip side of that, which is, I shouldn't be so dependent on my son anyway.

I should, you know, this is, no, I'm just saying. You could argue, I have coffee in my mouth. You look, I didn't spit it. Drew, I could have spat that all over the, all of the console short of this place out. There's a healthy version of what I'm saying, which is, you know, I should be so dependent of my son. He's good. I mean, I want to be my own man here.

I don't want to have to be detended to him. That's good stuff. So there's a healthy version of it. You're so right, Drew. Look at you. You're dropping truth bombs on me. Right? You're right?

I'm deconstructing all this. There's nothing. I've said a million times it's a syndrome. And the reason it's a syndrome is because you're willing to hurt yourself. Yes. That I said, literally like holding a gun at you and then shooting me. Ah, see? I told you. Well, I said on my program, I said when somebody says, I'm going to kill my wife.

I'm going to make it look like an accident. and I'm going to collect the insurance. I just took a big premium out on her and policy out on her, and I'm going to collect that, and I'm moving to Maui with my mistress. That's a bad guy, but I get it. It makes sense. It makes you a sociopath, not an opposition to fire. Well, you're going a direction.

You're doing something. It may be in the cops busted you, and they use an undercover wire, and it didn't work, but it's a straight line. But I get it. There's something. You want that insurance money. Right. But if you just go, I'm going into Albertsonsons and shooting everybody. Yeah. And then you go, someone's going to go, yeah, but the SWAT team is going to shoot you in the back of the head.

And then, well, how's that going to work? And then what, do they have money? No, I'm not asking for money. I'm just going to shoot them. Right. You're like, well, that doesn't help you. Yeah, that means you're deranged. That's a sickness. Mm-hmm. The thing where you have your wife killed and collect the insurance or robbed the bank. I don't even really, I don't want to hang out with you, but I don't look it as a sickness. Well, it is a sickness, but it's a sickness that doesn't include a distorted motivation. Right. motivation goes A, B, C, I get D. And in your dad's case, it's the motivation is, I need D, A, B, back to A. And that's good. Yeah.

Yeah, right? And so that's a distorted motivation. The motivation's all fucked up. Well, as just for those who never heard it, I basically just told them flat out, you better start driving that car, I got you, because it's low on mileage and we need to turn it in, and they're not going to give me money back. and the next time I saw him, he drove the CRV, the Honda CRV, his wife, Brown, CRV with the cloth interior. Now, one caveat, one wrinkle. One wrinkle. The house, the distance from his house to my house is a full 11 miles, and the CRV gets 26 miles on the highway, and the car I got him got 21.

All right. So it may have been a pragmatic. No, no. I mean, it's not like... He didn't bring that up. Oh, I think later on... That was going through his mind. But if you do break it down, it breaks down to 71 cents or whatever it is. But now that, once he's engaged with you, that doesn't matter. You understand?

That may have been a real thing in his mind, but once he's in that oppositional posture with you, that's not involved anymore. Yep. I've known you said, what, 1995? Well, it took us 22 years to figure this out. That's good, though. Yeah, at least we got here. I did have the, I had this great thing with them where I said, if you spent $900 a month leasing someone a luxury car and you saw that person and they weren't driving that car, what would that feel like to you? And he said, I'd have no feelings about it.

And I said, you really would have no feelings about it. None whatsoever. There it is, right? And I said, I find it hard to imagine that anybody I know, including you, if you shelt out of, a lot of money to lease someone on an automobile and you would see that person. They weren't driving that car. And quite the contrary, they're driving quite a lesser version. You can't imagine. Would you not, would that not evoke any feelings? And then what if the person, the same person was saying, I need another car. He can't put himself in that position.

He can't even imagine being in that position. He literally just looked me in eye and goes, I don't know what you're talking about. Now, here's what's strange to me is what's being evoked and you bridle me this. What's being evoked in my little, you know, I always have strange, fleeting thoughts and things. What's coming to mind now is you drowning in the pool being hit over your head by your mom and your grandmother with your own testicles. I thought it was their breasts. No, it was your own testicles. Well, it sort of looked like testicle breasts. So it could have been anything. So you can't read into dreams. So this was a dream, but isn't that sort of a weird, like, I'm drowning here, I'm drowning here. And no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to think of

my mom's weird. But oppositional finance is no. No, no, no. That's what it is. That's what it is. All right. Let's talk to. Oh, I'll talk to Greg.

Please. Please. Come on. Drew's shoulder. Yeah. Now, Courtney, 29. Tokyo Japan. Wow.

Okay. You're right. Hello. What's going on? Hi. Yes. I wanted to ask Drew. My brother died on March 24th.

He had what they said was a very, very, very. small, almost a detectable hole in his heart that I guess he was warm with. I guess that happens when kids are in the womb. They have a hole in a heel or something. So hold on. Hold on. First of all, horrible. I am so sorry. But we're going to talk about it like it's just a car. We're going to talk about just, you know. Right. That helps. Yeah. When your heart develops, it's called these endomyal cussions. It's sort of these four components that kind of blend together, right? It's sort of something that kind of comes into the hole, comes into W-H-O-L-E. It becomes a whole heart. And sometimes developmentally in the process of that, there can be

little remnant, little tiny holes left behind. Now, one of the holes, one of the dangerous holes occurs in the ventricle, right, between the two, the right and left ventricle. Usually you hear those and know about those your whole life. And they can be repaired or sometimes they resolve on their own. The bigger ones, you know, can result in un-oxygenation blood, mixing with the oxygenated blood and not getting to the lungs and causing all kinds of problems with, you know, low auction in the arterial blood. I'm guessing this wasn't that because he would have sort of known about that. And those people can have a rhythm disturbances and all kinds of horrible things. They even get heart failure. But I suspect the one you're

talking about is a hole in the atrial septum, which is the two things that sit on top of the heart. And there are two, there are several different sort of versions of what are called atrial septal defects. The dreaded complication of the atrial septal defect is, though, that things can get from the right to the left atrium like blood clots. And blood clots can form in your legs, like if you're traveling to Tokyo or something. And because of time, the pressure gradient is such. Usually these little clots form all the time, but they get screened up by our lungs. That actually happens in. But if you have a hole in your top part of your heart and the pressure gradient is such that it can go from one side of the other,

it becomes a big stroke. And that's a fucking mess. Many, many, many strokes. Yeah, that's a mess. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Those are hard to know about. And we do a lot these days.

A lot better job at detecting them now than we used to, and we look for them very actively, but they still can be hard to detect. Okay, that's what I was wondering. I'm pretty, like, you know, obviously pissed off with, like, that this was never figured out. He was a heavy smoker, too, so I don't know if that had anything to add to it. It does because it does because it changes that pressure gradient so the lungs can have an accelerated pressure on that side of the heart that can push things over to the other side. Year 29. How old was he? 32.

Ugh. Samely, young. Yeah. Are we mad at people because he was being monitored or going in and being looked at or just come out of right field? No. No, I totally came out of right field. Like, he was in my dad's house. My dad found him a yard.

He was fine yesterday or, you know, the day before. And my dad came out when that was it. Who are we mad at if this just, because this doesn't feel like negligence then. It is. She's just frustrated that he. Oh, I know. But sometimes it's like he went in complaining of and they didn't pick it up. You wouldn't really complain.

Right. No, yeah. He didn't complain. Now, when you say many strokes, why do we know that? So, um, that's kind of what I was. What happened was, yeah, it's strange. So I guess what happened was, um, I'll try to keep it short. I got a phone call, uh, daytime here.

the day before he died and uh they said he'd had a stroke or they thought he had a stroke so my ambulance came to him and i kept calling the hospital because i'm far away i can't be there so i'm like what is going on what is going on no one would let me talk to him eventually i you know called and they said he had been declared brain dead um because he'd had multiple and they found uh quots in his legs arms and brain um and i yeah i was i was curious about that as well how like how they said that he just had a ton of devastating strokes, and I'm confused by that. Usually these present as a little shower or a small stroke, so the fact that he has them all over the place leads me to believe, and I'm going to ask you a gruesome question, did they do an

autopsy? Well, he was an organ donor, so they ended up having, it took days of him being brain dead on my report to figure out what happened, so that's when I saw him. But they donated it to organs. Let me tell you what I'm thinking, is that it was because of all these clots, it suggests that he had something called a hyperclot coagulable state. Like something was wrong with his clotting system. And the number one and two reasons for that will be, A, cancer, and then B, medication.

So I'm wondering, was he on something weird medication-wise? And did they find even a tiny cancer sometimes can really do a number on the clotting system? interesting no he he was on like antidepressants um and i think that was it yeah i mean i don't know what that would do they do anything maybe which one um i think it was adivans so actually that's a benzo right yep that would that would they i would not put somebody on adivant long term but that would not do it yeah but in event so so i would kind of search right there may have been This may have been not really that, but something else coming on that could have been bad. Yeah.

All right. Well, Courtney, sorry for the loss. What are you doing in Tokyo? What are you doing over there? Thank you. My boyfriend and I are teaching English. We're here for a few more months. We've been here for like nine.

That was pretty cool. Just got back from Seattle where I'm from. So I'm back and trying to adjust. Yeah. Well, you've got two good places to adjust. Thanks, Courtney. Yeah, sorry about that. Thank you very much.

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Availability, speed, and coverage varies. See mintmobile.com. All right. So, let's see. Who do you want to talk to down there? My shoulder. I want to talk to Greg. Greg.

Yeah, hey, Adam. True. Well, first off, my condolences to the previous caller. Yeah, for sure. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, and Adam, you are a wealth of common sense. It's very impressive.

And Drew, your knowledge of the past blockable processes of the body is astounding. Yay, Drew. So, anyway, I want to know what's going on with. Oh, yeah, there you go, Adam. Well, the thing about common sense is I hate it when people try to talk me out of it. I don't. I used to probably. Maybe.

But now it's like, I just know what I know. Did I used to get, was I used to? Not really. I thought you thought it was your job to bring. Yeah, yeah. I don't even look at it as intelligence as I just live on earth and I observe life. And as Drew likes to say, reality on reality's terms. I'm telling you something about your parasympathetic nervous system slows the world down for you

where you can observe and see and then process in a way that the average person does not. And you assume everyone else sees that. frustrator that people don't, and then you kick into that dance with the ODD. Mm-hmm. Right? You see how that works? Well, the dance is more like this. I have a fleet of Lamborghinis because I figured it out.

So just listen to the guy who's figured it out. Right. Because you do not have a fleet of Lamborghinis, then you shall figure it out. I also don't have an opposition to fine disorder. Or stop coming to me and asking for money or cars or things when I'm explaining to you. Stop asking me for food. I'm teaching out of fish. Yeah, yeah.

That's, yeah. Or stop asking. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Great, you're asking about my shoulder. Are you a physical therapist? Please God, yes. Please, God, yes.

I'm a chiropractor, but I treat a lot of people with shoulders with a lot of soft tissue therapies. And here's the thing, Drew, I heard you say about two years ago on an older podcast that you were foam rolling and it helped your shoulder. Yeah. And I've been meaning to call and try to talk to you since and try to dig into that. All right. So here's the deal.

You were rolling on the phone ball? Yeah, I gave up on all the shoulder. the roller thing because it didn't do that much except made it hurt. Right, right. Drew, did you ever get any PT, any aggressive stuff? Okay, so here's how I look at it. I got a couple of sessions with somebody, and they were working on my sub-scapularis, something I couldn't get to by myself, and it helped maybe a little bit.

But here's the deal. So I've got sort of, you know, I've sort of wide shoulders, right? Yeah, narrow at the hip, and everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big Drew. Big Drew, Big Drew, Big Drew, Big Bad Drew. Well, he stood 6'4 and 285, and everyone knows this tough man alive, Big Drew. Big Drew, kind of brought it to shoulder and narrowed to hip, and everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big Drew. They said he came from Louisiana when he sent an argument over a Cajun Queen sent a man from New Orleans to the promised land. Big Drew.

What's the name of the big gym? Big John. Big John. Big John. Big John. So, so, and I have a lifetime of heavy weightlifting. And I think what screwed me up was a very heavy, wide, inclined dumbbell presses. And I love them.

Like, yeah, Big Bad John. And maybe play that in the background while I'm talking to this. I'm talking to this. And I still haven't stopped. So I know I'm in for trouble. I refuse to get an MRI because what am I going to do? I don't have time for physical therapy because I don't have time for it. There it is.

Yeah. A little less volume. You can see him arrive. Hey, wasn't that song for trooper? Hold on. Shoulder narrow up the hip. Everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big True. Big True.

Look at Greg started. Big true. Bad Drew Michael Merritt I need a cartoon Doing flies with 65 pound dumbbells The extended his

hyperextended his shoulders And it's going to knife 85 pounds 85 pounds He said hi to Big Drew Somebody said hi to New Orleans Where he got in a fight Or a Cajun queen

And a crash and blow From a huge right hands And a Luzianna fella to the promise land Big truth. We need to bring Thunderbear into this. Big truth. Some actually Thunderberry belongs here. Big bad truth.

All right. So, Greg, so I really have done nothing because I don't have time to take care of it. And what I've been doing is being much more, less stupid about doing things that hurt it. And it's gotten a little better. Do you have a diagnosis? No. You're like an impingement syndrome? It might be an impingement.

It feels like a rotator cuff. It's sort of the tenderness there. It's probably both. It's probably both. Yeah, Drew, Drew, Drew. So can it actually be for help? Yes, yes. I do this all the time, and it's very easy.

And half the reason I want to call it so other people can hear. Okay, even if I keep, even if I keep weightlifting, you could take care of it. Yes. Because my feet, I figure it's just going to keep going if I keep lifting weights. No, well, hey, if you don't do anything about it, it will. But, I mean, once that inflammation gets rocking. I know. It's so hard for it to go away.

Oh, yes, I'm aware. If you keep working sub-scap and bicep. Yeah. Bicep, too. Yeah, bicep. One of the heads of the bicep attached on the corcide process. Yeah, yeah. Right with Pek minor, and that can pull the scapula forward, and it reduces the subochromial space.

So what do I do? You need to work your bicep. You need to see somebody that does active release techniques or grasped in or both. I don't go with full room. You're limited to active. No, I got one for you. Adam, you guys need to come to Minneapolis again. It's been a while.

I know. I love it. And then we'll put you through the torture chamber. It'll be great. I, who had a devastating shoulder injury have no problems with my shoulder. I know. Everyone said I was going to have huge problems when I was adult because of this devastating injury, but I've never had a shoulder problem. So let me ask this.

Are there exercises? When I do my exercise, are there any recommendations? on what to, you know, how to work around it. Well, I mean, you know, the standard issue thing is eccentric external rotation, internal rotation for an eccentric contraction for repairing any kind of care. Yeah. But you have to address the soft tissue component because dynamic stability of the gyno-humeral joint is controlled by muscles.

Yeah, yeah, of course. You got to take care of the muscles. You take care of the muscles and you'll take care of the shoulder. I want to know, you got to hear Big John, but is it bad for the rotator cuff to lift a giant timber above your head in free 49 minors? Yes, that would really fucking a living grave. Big Drew. That's what happened. I know.

I was there. Now there's just one left to say. Big Drew. He's down there. He lifted a timber, Gary, above his head. We call it the Cabre in Scotland. Somebody yelled, there's a light up above. Hold on a second.

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of this man made hell walked a giant of a man that the miners knew well grabbed a sagging timber and gave out with a groan and like a giant old tree just stood there alone Big job

Sagin timber Sagin timber Yeah Big Drew Big bad Drew Big bad Drew And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shove

Then a miner yelled out there There's a light up above And 20 men scrambled from a would-be grave, and now there's only one left down there to see. Big Drew. Oh, this is very sad. My shoulder's bugging me. Just thinking about it.

Then came at Rumble way down in the ground and it's smoking gas belched out of that mine. I have PTSD. I can't relive it. I can't hear the whole thing. Big Drew. Big Drew. Big True. Big Bat Drew.

True. It's all. awful. I can't stand it out. They left me there. I put a marble stand in front of it. Yes. So what? Hold on.

At the bottom of this mine lies a big, big man. Big Drew. Big Drew. Really? You think it's okay? Big Drew. I think it's okay that they just throw a slap on top? Big Drew.

I can't get him out. Let's make a mind. Don't worry. They won back in to get you. No, they did not. There was a belch and a ramble. That's what I'm saying. They barely tried.

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