The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #017: Social Anxiety

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Feb 13, 2013Adam and Drew examine the differences between employees and spouses as well as Adam wanting to expose his children to quality entertainment. They also take calls on HIV transmission, social anxiety and Al-Anon.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Well, it's time for a throwback episode. This is from 2013, February. We examined the differences between employees and spouses, as well as Adam wanting to expose his children to what he calls quality entertainment. We take calls on HIV transmission, social anxiety, and Al-Anon. Enjoy this throwback episode from 2013. This is Corolla Digital. Recorded lines.

at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yes, get it on. Got to get it on a choice but to get on on mandate. Get it on. Thank you so much for tuning in. And as per usual, thanks in advance for telling a friend and giving us a nice ranking on iTunes.

and, of course, donating to the show. We love that because Drew's got a problem with the booger sugar. And it's about $300 a day, whatever it takes. Six. Ooh, it's gone up since the love one. Anyway, you go to the... I'm not smoking anymore. I'm not smoking anymore.

It's more. That's right. Got it's just doing the butt chug. Mangria. No. Ooh, I like the mangria butt chug. Is anyone ever done the butt chug where they're dumping the cocaine like out of a sugar sack into the, and then what would that do?

Don't answer. Think about it. You people go to the Adam and Drew page and click on the PayPal donate button if you'd like to give generously. Thank you. What would it do if you did the butt chug? You did the funnel and you dumped the cocaine down there. I honestly don't know. I'm not, I've counted people that do the alcohol butt chug, but not.

not the cocaine butt chokes. I don't even know the absorptive potential there. I don't know. But it's a... It can't be good. Membrane, right? Yeah, yeah. It probably absorbs it. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know offhand. I just don't have never seen it. Right. But it sounds horrific. It sounds like a good of a heart attack in five minutes. Well, it is a weird... Yes, it's weird. Yes.

Don't see it anymore. I did. It's weird. No, no. But look, it'd be a great scene for the next Tarantino movie, which is... You have the guy on the ground with the funnel, right? Yeah. Would it be a torture?

No. No? No, here's the thing. I'm digging. All right. Picture this. Picture this for the Tarantino movie. Oh, I got to write movies.

That's great of mine. Just going to waste here with this podcast. Guy Tarantino movie, right? Yeah. Guy tied down in basement, like the Gimp scene. You know, he's tied down. He's chained down, right? He's on his belly.

Bruce Willis. On his belly. Big funnel up the arse. In the keister. In the keister. Above funnel, bucket on a rocking thing filled with a kilo of cocaine. You know what I mean? With a thick piece of rope going to the handle holding the bucket upright.

When the rope, when you cut the rope, it turns. Got it. Dropping the cocaine into the butt funnel. Rope goes to the side. Holy but sugar batman. Goes to the side. Tied off candle. Put under the rope.

That candle can burn for one hour before that rope will catch on and he will OD. It's a cost-efficient way to kill somebody. The way you will die is by ODing on cocaine if it'll. He needs to be a full-on cocaine addict that's, you know, they're doing this too. Oh, oh, he's recovered. He's got, he's got three years. Who's the villain? The villain is society, man.

It's us. It's us, don't you see? No, the villain will figure her or him, him or her. Oh. Well. Something takes out a new dimension. Well, it's very interesting because in a real, dark, weird role, Kathy Griffin. But, like, you've never.

seen her before. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, he's dressed like the devil with fire going by. No, just as a heavy. Just the same thing Tarantino did with Travolta. You know, he used to seeing him as Vinnie Barbarino. Now he's just heroin addict and drugs and all that. Yeah, and she

is going to need this information, you know, that he has. You know, launch codes. I don't know what it is. But the point is, that candle's now lit. And it's burning. And once that rope catches fire and the bucket overturns into the funnel that's up Bruce Willis' ass. The Kathy Keister torture.

That's it. It's over. You understand? Yeah. All right. Drew, anything? Or should we just hop on some phone calls? I was just thinking about something.

You skip your rope every day and you wear the headset when you're doing that, right? Oftentimes. Yeah. You listen to music, right? Off, yes. You need to go to iTunes, you and start downloading lectures. and things. Seriously, you don't need to go to college anymore.

Why is that so funny to the robots? They just broke into hysterics. Yeah. I think it's funny probably because you're plugging someone else's thing, or I don't know. That's funny, the idea that Adam's going to iTunes, you and downloading stuff. I think he would love it. I think he would love it. I would, and I should.

And I should. And he would bring the stuff here. All that stuff would bring, you'd bring it in. You know what? You know what's weird? You know what it is one thing that's weird about me, but there's a bad thing. balance, Drew, and it's true. It's true.

There needs to be a balance. You tell me. Dig. Dig. Dig me complimenting myself for doing nothing. God, I've never heard that. Okay. You know, you're on Mangria, you get going with that shit.

Yeah. You do. I know. I was boasting yesterday or a few days back. It lasted for a few days. Yeah. Yeah, it lasted for a few days. No, but listen.

I... Not you to deserve it. No, I'm a look. realistic. I'm a mechanical genius. And, and we're going to know it. Well, here's the thing. I, what drives me nuts, and you and I have talked about this, I explained to people in very painstaking detail what to do because I understand how to do it. And then I show up and Gary's hacked up, not half-tard, full-tart Gary. It's cut up a whole bunch of two-by-fours for something that I said, rip-ups and plywood and do it this way. And I never mentioned two-by-four.

I understand what I'm doing. I don't think people understand. I have said this many times, and I truly believe it. I understand that I don't look that competent. I understand that. Neanderthal, I think we all agree. Whatever it is, I don't visually instill a lot of confidence, a lot of confidence in my competent. but I'm insanely competent when it comes to a multitude of things.

Now, it's not going to be, it's not data entry. I never say it is. But if I say I'm building something or I'm doing something, leave me alone. I know what I'm doing. Maybe it is not the appearance but the delivery. Because Gary Fultard certainly knows you're competent. And yet somehow he's not receiving the full effect of that competency. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Now either he is impaired in his listening. He's impaired in that he thinks, look, here's how people, here's how people work. People should work this way. When you're how people work. They've, Dave, the pilot has been knocked out and the co-pilot has food poisoning. And now you're flying the airplane. And there's a guy on the ground telling you how to land that airplane.

You should not be ignoring that guy in thinking, I know how to fly. planes. Hey, flaps at 22 degrees, that's your opinion. Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, you know that. You know that. I'm often trying to fly. People think they know what to fly. The problem is, is I do talk to guys who have a fair amount of seat time in a Cessna. And I say to them, let me help you bring this 737 to the ground. And they go, yeah, yeah, I got it. And I go, here's how you do it. And they go, mm-hmm, understood. And then they just go to doing what they do. Part of that is, and this is something where as physicians are drilled into our head all the time, is that under the best of circumstances, people take away 20 percent. They've actually

studied this, 20 percent of what you say to them. So you have to repeat stuff, repeat over and over, over. I just heard a fifth of what you just said. Well, but you, I just heard the studies part and then I fell off. But wait a second. You and our exquisite listeners, because we've done this on the radio for years, something like that, and most people are. Listening is a very strange acquired skill. Right. And people don't know that.

No. People think they listen. They think they listen and they hear. And I've heard it. And look, I can do it. We've all done it. We've all done the thing where my wife says, you're not listening. You're not listening to what I'm saying.

And I parrot it back exactly what she just said. But she's right. I'm not listening. I'm able to parrot it back. Because that's a different function. Listening but not hearing. Maybe that's the- Hearing but not listening.

It's whatever. I'm physically, yeah, I'm physically hearing. The tones. I'm just not processing it. Physically hearing what you're saying, but I'm not, I'm not processing it and and or acting appropriate. Or putting it into memory file when I should be. Right, right. So, well, one can argue the validity of should-be memory file.

Well, that's now where you're- The Cessnav guys are kicking in going, I'll just fill in the gaps what I don't remember. Right. Right. Right. But, you know, hearing that Sonny's a little behind in his reading skills is like, I'm not, I don't need to file that away somewhere. He's a bright boy. He'll do fine.

He has a tutor. Yeah, just stand in denial. That's right. Yeah. He'll land on his feet. Sure. Denial. Now, a couple things, Drew.

Yes. People, look, how many times you guys done this? How many times you've done this? Speaking of this. 20% yeah on a good day you say to people you send someone an email you know they go dinner and you with a question mark and you go awesome uh where and when you know they send you an email back amalfi your restaurant you write back when i wrote you an email that had two fucking questions on it. Where you want to see

Django Unchained and what time, what theater. You write back, yes, I want to see the movie. Now I have to write you back again saying, I usually start with fuck Wad, what theater and what time. Which, by the way, was represented in my first email. How many times, if you ask two questions on an email, you will get a response to one of them a lot of time.

If you ask three or more, you're batting. It's way, way down. And this is a written email. And by the way, I may be windy in the studio, but not when it comes to typing. My emails have nine words in them. You know, it doesn't take. That's a novel for you. Nine words.

Yes. Opus. That is my opus. So the point is, there's nothing here. There's when and where you answer one of the two questions. So what's going on with that person, Drew? And we all know the people who never do that. Well, let me do the, never do what?

Who would never reply. I have a short list of human beings. You're on that list. Yeah. Of people who would never reply to, yeah, I want to see the movie too. I would only do that with the expectation or leaving the door open either implicitly or explicitly for you to set the time. Right. Like you'd never.

Molfi what time? I would go like a Muffy went. Right. But you would never, there's many, many times when you have to do the follow-up email for the one that had two simple questions. And not only two simple questions. The other one had nothing to do with the nailing schedule on Shearwall. Like I want to know if you want to see Django and I want the nailing schedule on Shearwall. It wasn't a right field question.

It would be a follow-up question to the exact thing that were. be part of the process of seeing this movie or going to this. Strangely, I think you'd be more likely to get them both answered if they were so diverse. You know what? You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it catches their attention.

Right. Speaking of that. Twelve in the field, six inches on the seams. Six inch on. Not even on center. Just six inches down the thing. All right. But so listen, Drew.

Yeah. I don't listen. I dig. Dig. I should check out the iTunes. I, I can't. I choose you.

I choose you. Yeah. And Berkeley and Yale and Berkeley and Yale is really good. Yeah. Yeah. You should listen to a little pregger you while you're right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I will.

Yeah, I want to bring him on my podcast, in fact, so I will. Okay. So now, Drew. Dig. Dig. Dig. You're right. And I love information and I love that stuff.

On the other hand, and you tell me where the balance is, because I do need information and reading articles and hearing about what other people. People tweet me stuff. And it brings a lot of stuff in. Sometimes less. This way you don't have to read. You're a good listener. You just listen to lectures.

I am who I am because I've never read a book. I never had a person tell me anything. I've had no advice. You've had to deduce everything. My dad never said like, son. Sit down. There's two kinds of ladies out there. You know, it's like, you're fucking nuts.

I've never had a conversation with anybody in my family that I would consider meaningful. And I've never, my friends have, you know, incredible doofist jackoff. So just, you know, they got the 99 cent grand slam down at Denny so we can get three of those for three bucks. Like, that's the intellectually, that's about the height of the conversations I've had. or this chick's a cunt, dude. Like if I had a few of those. I don't, I have gotten where I am by taking in almost nothing, certainly not from the educational system.

Right. That I know. This is your chance. This is your chance to get some back. It's there now. It's on the Internet. And I dig. Yeah.

I dig. But I also realized I formed my own process and created. and creative process by not walking through other people's museums and staring at the walls, but by trying to create my own museum. What would that museum be called? The Genius Academy. And it would never be closed. And all would be welcome except for Puerto Ricans.

It's my academy. I get to do what I want with it. L.A. Corolla, LACMA. The point is this. L.A. Corolla, Museum of Art. The thing is I learned to process and think in a certain way because I had nothing coming in. Yeah, but you have that mind that it carefully is deducing and concluding. You know, you're doing that all the time.

Yeah, I just basically, I sit around. It's like the compass. It's your compass. It's confined due north all the time. What I do is I sit around all day and I stare at the spider that's on the ceiling of my bedroom every summer night. And I think to myself, why is there a spider on the ceiling every night and not on the wall? And then I realized the wall is painted in semi-gloss paint and the ceiling is flat. And the spider gets traction on the flat paint where he doesn't get traction on the semi-gloss paint.

And then I start coming up with ideas about coating the ceiling with a, you know, a semi-gloss, clear substance to keep the spider. off from above my bed. But if I was just knee-deep in another episode of House, I don't think I would come up with that idea. Right. And I, but I do listen to, you know, for economics. When you like Prager. And I enjoy Prager and others.

It triggers you to think on a different way. Absolutely. So there is that room. But I do, like, when I skip my rope, I listen to music and I formulate thoughts. I get it. I try to go, all right, I do the podcast in the evening. I skip my rope in the early evening. And I sit there and I just sort of think.

I put nothing on. I put, you know, I put TV on and it's just sports highlights with the sound down. And I just listen to Graham Parker. And I think, what do I want to get into? And I'm not saying I want to substitute or diminish those meditative experiences. But I'm saying there's another plateau that I think might bring out some interesting stuff. Yeah, no, you're right.

And it's about mixing them. Yeah. But I do think the sounds of silence and look, if you're, if you're meditation, yes, it's a big deal. If your, if your brain is, you know, an outboard motor, fuck it. Pack it with as much excitement as you possibly can. But if you have anything above a V6, go ahead and stop bombarding yourself with information or infotainment. or just entertainment. And I worry about my kids and about the steady stream.

And we've talked about this and we'll continue to talk about it, of information that just comes piling into their brain all the time. I mean, they sit around, they play video games. When you get in the car, they got their little iPhone, I, whatever, and they're playing it in the car, and they're just something's coming at them all the time. the sitting around. I mean, look, I don't know where we'd be if Thomas Edison had an iPad and a 60-inch television and an unstoppable stream of information coming through it.

But I think we'd be fucked because I don't, I think he'd just be beaten off to you porn. I know, as a matter of fact, Thomas Edison and Tesla would have both just watched. watched you porn and beat off all that. They invented moving pictures. Wanted to beat off to something. That's true. That's true. So that's what happened.

I mean, and that's what is going to happen. And I'm kind of worried about the kids. I know. Never really coming up with their own thoughts. And that's why, by the way, when they're watching Door the explore. I'm like, get this cunt off the screen. And like, we like Dorley. And I know, this is shit. It's junk. It's garbage. And they say to me, hey, we, you know, they like, you know, Phineas and Furb, funny. I'll tell them, watch the Simpsons. And my nanny, Olga, she doesn't like the Simpsons.

And I say, listen, I want them exposed to some quality art. I mean, even if they don't get it. Yeah. Even if they're not mature enough to understand it, I want what's coming off of that screen to be good. Not the super boring, fucked out piece of shit that is Cayu or Door the Explorer, hiding behind your fucking multicultural bullshit with your zero creativity. You're fucking, to the makers of Door the Explorer, you are creatively bankrupt. You hide behind this multicultural lesson where you say everything in English and Spanish. Do not kid yourself and please understand you're not fooling me. I know your creative hacks.

You do a job that literally the monkey, the fucked out monkey sidekick could do. So creative. A monkey sidekick. Geez, who's ever heard of that? Oh, wait a minute. Speed racer from 1966. You guys are on the vanguard of creativity. You guys hide behind your fucking feel-good multicultural

fucking message, your creative hacks. And if you ever, ever had to go out into the real world and compete, if you ever had to go into real Hollywood and create things for adults, fuck adults, teenagers, you would immediately be crushed because you do not possess talent or creativity. Fuck you people. And don't give me that. It's for five-year-old.

you can make good things for five-year-olds. You guys are hacks and worse, you're fucking sell-out hacks. All you're doing is cashing checks, making a creative pile of shit to numb the brains of a new generation of youngsters are coming into this society and you're fucking hammering those checks. You're like some kind of fucking organization. It's like your UNICEF, except for you're spending all the money on Coke. You hide behind this thing.

like, hey, it's all about the kids. You create a piece of shit that does them no good. Oh, it's a fucking fox who steal. It's 2013. It's a fox. The fox. He's a bandit. He's got the bandit.

He's got the bandit mask on. He's a swiper. The fox. Hey, swiper. Stop swiping. You guys are so creatively bankrupt. Hang it up. Get, have some fucking dignity and just get a job at a fucking cannery.

or do something do something that doesn't involve your zero creativity and one of you, one of you you disagree with me, write a book write a comedy book for adults see how many units fly off the shelf you fucking bankrupt hacks I hear that you're upset

other than that I have zero feelings about what it's exposing to your kids to it but there's something interesting about what you're saying is like let's consider the great artistic the great expressions of history artistically, like Florence in the 17th, 18th century, or Paris in the 19th century, they just exposed the kids to that. That's right.

Geberti's doors were what they took their kids to. They didn't have the kids' gaberti's doors to help for five-year-olds. They have Gaberti's doors on ice. Right. They just had, here, we're going to the Duomo and exposing you to the cultural richness, the awe of all this. And the more you're exposed to it, the younger, probably the more romantic expression you'd develop. Yeah, they didn't have a lube for tiny tykes. Yeah.

With a bunch of fucking stick figures. They just had art and they had music. And it's funny, my daughter, who I made great efforts to expose my kids to this stuff when they were younger, now they're starting to appreciate it. And they're pissed at themselves. Like, oh, my God, thank you for exposing it to me. I didn't fully appreciate it. Now I appreciate it. Well, look.

If they hadn't seen it then. Obviously, look. Sitting around and watching Cayu, which is just a fucking pile of shit. And even Scooby-Doo and all that other mind-numbing bullshit. Which we did a lot of, didn't we? Yeah. And especially Dorothe Explorer. They hide behind the, well, look, we're teaching them basic language, whatever.

You think my kid would get into his 30s and be like, I don't know what a backpack is? What's a fox? It's an animal? What kind of animal? Monkey? I'm not familiar with that turn. Fuck you. Listen, listen, there's actually, you know, in spite of the success of Sesame Street and the acclaim.

And by the way, I think it's creatively, you would agree there's something going on there creatively. Well, there's no evidence. Not enough to make a person with a developed brain in joy. Well, it's not actually any evidence that it does anything from an educational perspective. It doesn't do anything. Listen, I know everything because I know nothing. How many times I have to tell you people of this? You and your fucking fancy.

You don't clutter your brain with information. Fucking, I don't get bogged down with knowledge. No. First off, I don't know how Abe Lincoln learned the language without Door the Explorer. You ever hear the fucking shit he crafted? How did he craft that without having his brain turned on at age five by fucking Door the Explorer? You kidding me? Planning him in front of a thing and just watching.

just through osmosis being exposed to shit. Just it's like living too close to the fucking power plant. Just just your fucking cells are being destroyed by this bankrupt creative piece of shit. We don't know that it's hurting anybody. We don't know. It's not helping. Listen, I'd rather put on some fucking classical music and run episodes of All in the Family and mash and go,

I don't care if you don't get a fucking, I don't know if you don't know what the Korean War is or who Alan Alda is. Get, have, have something of substance and quality pass through your veins. All right. Should we take a quick break? Sure. All right. Quick break. Phone calls next.

The hell is that, Adam? It's your fourth assistant named Matt. You only hire Matt's for assistance. I've had, uh, yeah, had a lot of mats. Well, gay Matt was just for fun. I mean, he was just doing a TV show. It would just be funny. All right.

Until he got not fun? Well, it got not fun when he had to, you know, settle my hash a couple times. Like, hey, listen, we need to talk. What? You better watch your tone. He gave me that. I've had a few conversations with people where basically private pile was telling, General Boulder Guard,

four-star General Boulder Guard. Hey, hey, stop your armored limo, roll your window down. I got to put my rake down for a second. Listen to me. Listen to me. Here's what you need to do. What did you say, I can imagine?

I've had many conversations where people of, you need to do this and you need to, you know. I saw that one with Territocomitara. That was the same thing, right? Yeah, I first thing, By the way, people think, you know, whether it's the super cunty Latin broad at the valet park at the Arklight Theater, who's giving everyone an earful for not getting their ticket validated, even though nobody knew it needed to be validated.

And then I was fifth in line and she gave everyone the, you were supposed to have your ticket valid. And everyone before me was like, oh, I didn't know. I told you. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't understand. I thought when you valeted, I told you. I'm sorry. There was about four of those people in a row, and then it came to me.

You didn't get your, I said, shut up. Well, you supposed to. No, no, you told nobody. You did. I told, listen, I've just heard you tell four smart people who car, your parking, people have pretty good memories that you told them something, and all four of them said they didn't, and now I'm the fifth. So you didn't.

So shut up and drop your attitude. Now, everyone's like, well, and I have people, I do that people all the time. You have words? You want to talk? Oh, you want to talk about my tone? You want to talk about my attitude? Assistant? Yes, my assistant.

What would you like? I shit canned him, I don't know, a week later or whatever. The point is this. You are doing these people a service when you explain to them where they are on the pecking order in this life that is essentially an army that is filled with privates and generals. And look, Mark Cuban is a general. Barack Obama general. Hillary Clinton, general.

There's plenty of generals, some rank higher than others with more stars. And then there are privates. Now, it shifts around a little bit. Well, private. Everyone was a private at one time. Oh, no, but your daddy ran the... Your dad was Leon Panetti or the fucking whoever defense kind of whatever. Yeah, Panetta.

Yeah, Panetta, sorry. Your daddy ran the war. Your daddy works for Halliburton or your daddy works for Lockheed or something. So you're grumman. So you... Yeah, they do a lot of that. It's true. Those people do have a couple of sons.

Not many. Most of generals are there because they rose up through the ranks, just like everybody else. A lot of privates pissed off at those generals, but the cases of their dads being, you know, defense ministers or what have you, are not, or few and far between and not even worth bringing up. But let me say this, Drew. Hold on. I'm on a roll. Dig. Dig. Now, here's the thing. Chris Max Pat over there. he is he's

he's not even a private he's he's just getting off the bus he's a pry he's a pry no he's private he's private private but when he goes out to dinner and he sits down at that table the waiter

who may be a corporal in the army at his unit is his private now because he is paying right he and there could be welfare moms that are ballaying their car at the arc light and going to see a movie. And that chick who's giving them shit, that's their private. Now, I don't care how fucking low you are down on the chain.

You go in to buy a new car. You're talking to a guy may own a multi-million dollar car dealership. He's your bitch because you got the checkbook. See what I'm saying? And he must act accordingly to get that check. Right. He may go home to a bigger house. So what's the message here?

What's the lesson? I have no fucking idea. The lesson is something. The lesson is something like know your relation to others and act accordingly or something? Know where you're at. Because we all have to have different functions throughout the day, right? Right. No, it's what it is is I do a podcast and I say whatever the fuck I want.

and I do whatever the fuck I want, and then I go do O'Reilly. And they tell me, here's a couple topics Bill wants to talk about. I don't go, hey, man, here's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about Dorothe Explorer for 20 minutes. No, no, no, it's his show. So I ain't the boss. And I ain't not even a fucking lieutenant. I'm a private in his army.

And I don't say, you know, when they go, hey, we need you there at 1 o'clock. I don't go, let's make it 1.30. I do what I do for that. Because even though I write my books and I say what I want my books, I do my podcast, I do my stand-up. I say whatever I want. I get to be the general. That afternoon, I'm a private. That evening, I'm a general.

I think the problem is when you go home, you're not allowed to be a general home. That's where you run into trouble. I... You're a pry when you go home. I think we are doing our families a disservice by going out and being a general all the time and not coming home, coming home and acting like one of the boys, one of the enlisted guys. Gary, schedule a net for my podcast, please. Thank you. Yes.

No, no. I listen. I did this the other day. I needed my kids to do almost nothing. I have a Coca-Cola cooler in my courtyard that used to be Jimmy Kimmel's and he lent it to me nine years ago. And now he's rich. I don't need to give it back to him. But I needed them to take all the drinks out of it and clean things out.

And I said, look, you too. Sonny, Natalia, open the cooler, take all the sodas and the beers and the bottles out, put them on the picnic table that daddy built. and we're going to clean them off, but I need you to take all the stuff out of the cooler. Well, we don't, we don't want to take stuff out of cooler. I said, hey, you take it out of the cooler. Where do we put? I said, take it out of the cooler, set it on the table directly behind you. Well, some of that stuff, hey, do it.

Do it now. Sonny did it, and the tire told you go, fuck yourself. No, they both came over. They were bitching, belly aching, literally. The top of the bottles are sharp. The cap is metal. The cap is sharp. Sunny cut his feet.

They came over. That's how people are. They came over for fucking 15 consults on this thing. And I just opened the window in my den. And I said, hey, we're not discussing it anymore. Go open, remove bottles, put them on the table and do it now. and that was it. There was no, hey, it really appreciated it if you could find the time to.

Oh, no. And I wasn't going to get on their retarded merry-go-round of arguments of, well, if he cuts his finger, we can put some back to, go do it. This is not too much to ask. Go do it. Oh, no. Let me tell you something. It's a battle. And these people need to be broken.

And they need to be broken, not for me, for them. Because my assistant Matt, who thought was going to be a good idea to sit down and talk to me about my tone, it was then shit can and basically beg for his job back after that. We didn't get it. He needs that for him. And I need that for him. And I'm sure he's doing well somewhere. And I'm sure it's in part because he realized, do not take your superiors and sit them down and talk to them

about their tone. Well, let's talk about your robots that are running around here. This group seems to listen pretty damn well. You,

you were talking in a previous podcast about Maxipad Pontoes and Chris Maxipata jumped out like you were screaming at him. You heard the word maxipad.

You guys, I mean, Drew, I know you love, you love this joke. You never love, you never stop beating this thing. Well, hold on.

Of, oh, everyone here's scared of you. They're all scared. They're all scared. They're all freaked out. Yeah.

They are. No. Yeah. Not for your good, for theirs. Look. First off, I don't want people scared. Look, they're scared that I'm bringing this up. Look at that.

Covering the mouth. It's a sort of shame and embarrassment and fear. No. But believe you, me, I want them. Look. Hold on a second. I won out the other week and I did an event. By the way, this is going to be, what I'm going to get to is going to be a compliment.

I did a personal appearance. And they set up the old merch table and everyone busted their butt and did everything. And they had all the books and the bottles of Mangria and everything. And then we got there. And the first person showed it to the book, I handed it to me. And I looked at Rob and I said, where's the Sharpies? And he said, I didn't bring any. And I said, why didn't you bring any?

And he said, well, Mike August usually brings him. I said, but Mike August isn't here. And he said, yeah, but he usually comes to these things. And I said, did you confirm that with Mike August? And he said, no. And I said, then it's on you and you forgot the Sharpies. And he felt like shit. I didn't rub it in, but I said, if you're going to do this, you need a list.

You need a Sharpie to make the list. And don't count on Mike August being here, especially if you did not confirm it with Mike August. Now, I didn't call him an asshole. I said, you better go wrestle up some Sharpies because this is going to be a long night of signing books and bottles with no Sharpies. And they did. Right. Now, he's not going to forget to bring the Sharpies next time. On the other hand, if I went, hey, everyone makes mistakes, no big deal, it's cool.

I don't like Sharpies anyway. The smell makes me high. It might happen again. Now, you don't yell at the person, but you do explain. them, this is on you. My question is, these guys are good listeners. Yes. All three of these guys that I'm looking at right now.

Yes. One I can't see. Yes. Did you go to great lengths to hire good listeners and you now are getting better at that kind of thing? You know what I mean? That you don't have the mats that want to sit down and talk about your attitude anymore because you wouldn't hire that kind of person anymore. And as opposed to, did you create these guys in the lab? A little bit of both.

I think obviously if they were drawn to this podcast and or to me, then they have to have a certain genius in the first place. So they're geniuses. It's self-selecting group. Self-selecting genuces, right? I would like to. Make no to this day. That's a huge comment. I would like to think.

You recognized Adam's genius. I would like to think that I have taught them to some degree how to process. They're good. They really listen. They're very linear. But they listen. They're not taken away 20%. They're taken away more.

Oh, yeah. That's unusual. 23, 24%. At least. At least. No, they understand that there is a efficiency that I attempt. I have that everywhere else in your life too and nobody comes up to that. These guys are there, right?

For the most part. Well, let me explain something about marriage, perhaps, if this is what you're talking about. I didn't mean to go there, but go ahead. No, but I'll be honest. We have, in marriage, we have removed a vital piece of the execute this puzzle. Executing this means if Chris stops listening and starts doing his own thing and just doesn't get it done. I can fire him. If Chris is under the knowledge that if I fire him, he takes half the business with him.

Meaning, you're fired, Chris. And then your response to me is, all right, I'll give you a couple days to pack up your stuff. Meaning he's staying. Yeah. I'm leaving. We've removed that. That's what we have in marriage. Right now, anyone here, if they fuck up long enough and often,

enough, they can get fired, and when they get fired, they're fired. They ain't taken anything other than their backpack and a Diet Coke, and they're on the road. Marriage, and we talk about incentive, honestly, is you can fire me, and then you can pack up your high school trophies and leave this house. So even though you, I, there's probably good. will. That crazy, everybody works in a fear. Hang on. Hang on. You and I would agree that it needs to be disincentive to divorce.

Oh, yeah. Okay. So it's just a disincentive. No, there is, there is a disincentive. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying to you is we all are motivated in life. No, I know. I get you. By consequences.

You know what my head goes? You don't give your wife enough responsibility then. You need to give her more responsibility. her fuck up. I'm not specifically talking about my situation, but I do know others that are in a situation where you're kind of asking them to do something. They're not really on the ball. But you've got to let them fuck up just like you would do their kids.

You're your kids. And when they fuck up, they learn and then they get it together. Yeah, but the fuck up is sort of like, eh, I didn't do it. So what are you going to do? You know what I mean? And the answer is really nothing. because I said, I'm firing you, Chris, except for I'm leaving. And this is now your shop.

Honestly, what would Chris's, what would happen with his batting average? As good a person as Chris Maxapata is, if it was understood that firing meant me leaving and you owning the shop, what do you think would happen with this batting average? He'd make sure he got fired. No, I, you know what I think would happen? If you were taking that, the analogy doesn't hold as a point. No. Because in that situation, he'd make sure he got fired.

No, I think he would listen with one ear. But there wouldn't be a sense of, oh, shit. There'd be a, well, if I get to it, I get to it. That's what happens. And I think. See, I think there needs to be more division of labor in marriage is not less. You're advocating for less and more authoritarian dad kind of thing. I think it's more.

No, I think, I think what we, I think us saying to women in California, at least, and in modern times, if they're saying it's a man too. I mean, if the woman is a better, good winner, yeah, any, anyone, okay. Yeah. If your partner just decides, look, I don't want to have sex with you or I don't want to listen to whatever you say or I don't want to take care of myself or I don't want to do anything. I don't know. I'm not going to raise the kids. I'm not going to do anything. and the consequence is they'll keep the house.

You can keep on working and pay them half your income. And then they really don't have to do anything. That's not an incentive to do something. Now, I don't, we could probably sit around and come up with creative ways for that person to modify their behavior and for society to do it. To me, it even adds more laying it out that way and not a disagree or to regret. but laying it out that way, to me, puts more incentive on the power of romantic relationships. Because people have to get that out of it. They've got to build a life and be rewarded for that and be building a really quality relationship

that all this other shit doesn't become disincentive to them. The incentive is the positive interpersonal stuff. And. But to me, and that's piece is missing too. And the coexist. But that's missing too. People don't understand what is to create a life. And they don't know how to have a good relationship.

Now we've got all three, strike three. But what I'm saying is, is if I'm married to Kelsey Grammer. Wow. That was, man, would you create. The day's young. Yeah, okay. If I'm married to Kelsey Grammer and he's a fucking rich dude and, you know, he gets back on the sauce or he steps out on me and starts cheating or he does whatever he does, my feeling's going to be, see you, old bald guy. There's no incentive.

I'm going to keep my Malibu. I'll live in the house in Malibu. Right. You go to Broadway. work. You do nine shows a week. I'll stay here in Malibu, and I'll have my masseuse come over. There's no incentive to working the relationship. Yes. Back in the day, back in the day when it's, you go off to the lumber mill, I'll go off and milk the cows and get the eggs for the chicken and tend to the mend and tend and do all that. Then it's like, Jesus Christ, something happens to you. I'm fucked because you're making my point.

And something happens to you. I'm fucked like both ways. You were making my point. I'm making. I'm making. my point. I'm making your point. There needs to be more division of labor. You need to share more responsibly as good. That's right. I agree. I think that's right.

Right. But what, what? But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, big. But here's the problem. I'm going off to the lumber mill. You milk the cows. You take the chickens. You get the eggs from the chickens.

You mend the kids dungarees. Yeah. Okay. Come home from the lumber mill. Where's the milk? Oh. spaced on that one. That's the, that's now, then if you go, well, listen, you get out there and milk that cow,

and they go, you go milk that cow. And then they go, you milk that cow or I'm going to leave and you get to have the farm. You see, that's the problem. No, no, no, no, no. You know how it goes. Hey, we got no milk then. And pretty soon the kids are complaining. She misses the milk, you miss the milk.

Right. There's no milk. That's it. So next time, you milk the cow. No big deal. No personal investment in that. But what if they don't do it the next time? Then we got no bread.

And then we got no this. Right. But you're not going to let that happen. Why not? Because you're going to the lumber yard and you're going to stop home. I see you let that happen. You don't pick the milk up on the way home. Okay.

Should we all go hungry then? Well, you've used logic like that in a lot of ways of shaping people's behavior. I'm saying it's the same thing. I have. It gets a little dangerous sometimes. I agree with you. But I think that's how people get it together in all areas of life, right? Consequences.

Not being codependent, not feeling. in, not enabling. I am saying in a nutshell the consequences since divorce has become easy and not consequential. The consequences

are a lot more divorce. And certainly, a lot less listening from Chris Max Pada if I fire him and I leave. Speaking of listening and these guys, just before we go to calls, I know we got a million calls up here, but I am so appreciative, first of all, I appreciate

being here. Thank you for including me this whole project. I didn't even think about that. Thank you. I didn't intend to say that, but that's true. I'm appreciative of the podcast audience. They are so grateful and so much kinder than most audiences. Yes. It's interesting to me. And I feel

much more clearly perceived or like who I am is more clear to people. That's like we, I said, earlier. Me on O'Reilly. You're not going to get the full me. You get 40-second soundbikes. I feel like you're seeing the full me on like Celebrity Rehab, but I guess they don't really perceive it because I'm in the middle of a shitstorm all the time trying to help people. But here we're just being ourselves and people sort of appreciate that. And I just thank you to the old audience. Thank you for you for letting me part of this and thank you for being so kind.

All right. Take some calls. Donate generously. All right. Let's start at the top. Let's power. down here, Drew. Let's get going. Alex? Yes. 26. What's going on? Hi. Yeah, did you generally get to talk to you guys? Our pleasure. Thanks for taking my call.

What's up, Alex? I was just wanting to talk to you guys to get your input on social anxiety. Yeah. It's kind of something I've had all of my life, but really started to actually affect my life when I turned about 18. And so I had a close group of buddies when I was in high school, but ever since, you know, in college and since I've, making friends in general has been kind of a challenge for me because I have pretty bad avoidance behavior. And just, do you isolate a lot too? Oh, sorry?

Do you isolate a lot too? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a girlfriend? Yeah, I live with her. Yeah. Well, that's pretty good step toward the light. Yeah.

I'm in professional school right now, and it's gotten to the point where it's kind of affecting, it could potentially affect my career and ability to make, you know, professional contacts and that kind of thing, too. So. All right. Let's put it to you this way. There's medication you can take. There's therapy and stuff like that. There's also just a fucking power through it kind of thing.

And you feel like you're about on the cusp of that. I agree with that. I was thinking, why can't this guy power through it? Because you're developing all these competencies and you can let the, and you have a relationship and you have ability to be intimate. Why can't you just let the competency carry you so you just at least are able to behave as if you could function well? I would, if I were you, you're in, you're Chicago, Illinois or just Illinois. Well, what I mean is, is Chicago has like Second City, you know, big deal over there. And taking like an improv class, getting together with a bunch of strangers and kind of letting it all hang out.

You know, getting up on stage. They'll start with very basic shit. It's not like they're going to sit up there and say, do a monologue, you know, you don't have to do it. But just doing something like that where you're taking it. taking yourself and you're pushing yourself out of a comfort area into an area of discomfort, not because you want to be the next cast member on SNL, but because you want it to help in your business and your social and your whatever. How about something like that?

Well, I totally absolutely hear what you're saying. It's just, I, it's gotten to the point where I will get basically a panic attack. I mean, it's probably coming through a little bit right now, but, you know, I get a shaky voice and start sweating. Listen, you take a beta blocker, like a little whiff of enderalls that has no effect on any of your brain systems or anything. It just blocks the shakes and the heart rate. Really? It's a peripherally active drug has virtually no central effects. Really?

Yeah. So you don't feel the reaction of the panic. What percentage of people take a beta blocker, you know, when they're performing at the halftime of a Super Bowl? I think the interesting question would be how many have had to at one time in their career. Probably zero at that level. Uh-huh. But I bet it at one time or another. I mean, Donnie also, remember he had all that panic and stuff at one point.

Take the beta blocker. Yeah. Doesn't do anything to your brain. I mean, why not just take it every time then? People do. It's just like, why not? I mean, just say, look, I'm going to do the Tonight Show for the 25th time. But I want to have zero feelings about it instead of almost no feelings.

It's not zero feelings. It's the peripheral feelings. You won't have a heart rate go up. You won't have the shakes. You want to have the sweats. It might have been good for your sweats. Oh. But I, I, you know, I,

so like absurdly sensitive to medication, I'd be afraid it would affect my something. Yeah. Well, even if it's just placebo effect. Yeah, any medicine can get in your brain a little bit. Right. I just, I just drives me crazy. Yeah. Hey, Dallas 34.

Hey, what's going on, guys? What's going on? Question for Dr. Drew. Mine was kind of about anxiety as well, and I take Ativan. And I've been dealing with anxiety in real bad panic for a while. but I'm facing, could be facing this surgery that I'm pretty, pretty nervous about. Kind of surgery. Gender reassignment.

What kind of surgery? Oh, absolutely. Okay. Are you familiar with Chiari malformation? Bud Kiari, yeah. Yeah. Jazz drummer, Bud Kiari. I'm herniated seven millimeters, which I know sounds.

extremely sexual, but I'm having a lot of symptoms, you know, vertigo and nausea and all this stuff, and I've basically been bedridden for like three months. He played with Stan Kenton. Bud Kiari? Yeah, back in the day. I think you did, in fact. I know he sat in on a couple

sessions. Yeah, hell of the drama. All right, what should he do, Drew? Well, I'm not, what are we saying here? How tough is this? What is the question? How tough is, but, okay, well, the question is, is I've been dealing, I'm not sure if it's the Chiari that's causing the symptoms, the nausea, the panic and the anxiety and all this other stuff.

It's probably a... But-C-R-C-R-C-R-C-R-Barrie, we're talking about the hepatic vein problem, right? We're talking about the cerebellum herniating into the spinal column. Oh, that's a... I've never heard of Bud-C-I-C-R-C-E-R-R-E-R-R-E-R-R-E-R-Mal -Malformation. I'm sorry, did not. It's all right. CHI. Well, then there's no telling.

I mean, I mean, a herniation of the, I mean, how was that diagnosed even? MRI? Through MRI scans. They can see the herni. The cerebellot tonsils go down into the, into the serenus. Oh, my God. So, I mean, this is a big malformation of the brain, basically. Like his, your brain sort of sits on a couple of ledges, and his brain is actually

poking through one of those ledges. And it's actually kind of dangerous. And that's a big surgery. Oh, my God, Dallas. Well, now he's freaked out. out more. Well, no, no, no. Yeah, I appreciate it. Now I'm in full panic mode. I'm sorry. I don't mean to panic you. I'm just saying this is a big deal. And because it is a issue of the brain, it's hard to tell, right? I mean, the manifestations can be protein as well. And what do they do

to repair it? Basically, they take, they cut the back of your neck open and they take the, I think it's the occipital bone. They basically, where the spine is, they'll just cut away part of that home. They just open it up. They just open it up so you don't push down. Sometimes have to open the juror up. Well, the good news is, look, the good news is you're in that posterior fossa, which less of effect on things like mood and anxiety. The good news is it's 2013 and not 1961, in which case you'd just be dust. 1860. Well, I didn't want to push too hard.

But hey, listen, Dallas, here's the old. I say you stay with whatever you need to control your medicine until you get that damn surgery done, then you start sorting these things out later. Right. Now you just focus on getting that shit done. Just get through it. Power through it. You're on Ativan. Adavan's an addictive drug potentially.

You know, Ativan's an addictive drug potentially. It can intensify anxiety over the long run. So, you know, get through this surgery, get it done, and then get on some sort of long-term kind of treatment that stabilizes things. Keep powering here. Miguel? Miguel. Hey, Adam. Hey, buddy.

Your brother-in-law, alcohol. Paul possible Coke problem. You want to know about Al-Anon? Well, I know Dr. Drew's always suggesting Al-Anon for when you have a relative that has an issue like that. Yeah. But, you know, I got kids of my own and, you know, my wife, she's always trying to, like, you know, do good for their kids and their family and everything. And, you know, they have parents. And they just need to get their shit together so that they can.

you know, take care of their kids, right, and all that. And I just wanted to know how to approach them. You know, so that it kind of gets through to them. Okay. I mean, I think it's time for a wake-up call. Right. So you don't need to go to Al-Anon, Miguel, yourself, because you're not regularly involved with them or closely involved with them, correct?

No. You just want to, you want to just... Stay away. Yeah, you just want to try to affect change. You want to try to get them to treatment. And in this kind of, you know, sort of... surgical strike kind of thinking, right, you don't necessarily need Alan. It's a lot of time and work that you may not want to commit to their problem.

Here's the deal. You can organize a intervention, and that has to be done with it professionally. Do not intervene on your own ever. Don't try that. You need a guy with a ponytail, preferably ponytail and huge calves. Yeah, big calves. Those guys are always good. The calves and a ponytail who remembers every date.

he starts off December 22nd, 1988, I buried my second wife. It's nothing but it's nothing but date for that guy. March 11th, 1994,

I buried my first son. After you ran over with the car. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have a ponytail. Yeah. You have to have large calves and you have to spit out dates all the time.

Like people go, oh, wait a minute, December 27. second 87. Let's see, that was a Tuesday. You sure wasn't a 23rd? Because I feel like you would have had a funeral on, just say about 10 years ago or back in the day or I lost my first wife to alcohol. No, no, no, no, because the using it goes, I did like 10 years ago. I don't know something like that. But somebody who's like been reviewing this in their recovery will no dates.

It's a blow hard. It's a blow hard. The blow hard one of the cornerstones of the blowhard is giving the date out for every I get you fucking I dig event stop doing love line March 23rd 2006 like no one gives a fuck I have no idea when I stopped anything or started anything I hate the fucking date givers it's a code in recovery though I'm just saying so a recovering person does that little it's a version of the blow heart but you need ponytail big caps and dates so Miguel here's a deal you can you can do that which It's costly and difficult, and sometimes, you know, it may not be your place to do that.

But the bigger piece of advice I'm going to give you is do not walk on eggshells around these people. I find that humorous the way people find it sort of, first of all, they sort of, that's caving into the addicts bullshit. You've got to go, look, hey man, Miguel, if I'm Miguel, like, dude, I'm here because I love you. I worry about your kids. I see you need to get your shit together. You need to do that. You need to get your shit together. I'm just saying, and if they come back at you with righteous indignation, you just, come

on. I'm here to try to help you, dude. I'm here to, what's my motivation? Yeah, what's my motivation except to be here and say, we love you, we help, we want to help you. I don't know what your motivation is, dude. Right. So look, here's a deal.

That's what, that's basically, that's life. I know. I know. I've had this conversation with people all the time where I go, why are we having a conversation about you being late if you're not late? do you think I have conversations with people that are never late about them constantly being late? And then how much sense would it make to them? Right.

But it wouldn't make sense if I said to you or Mike August, you're constantly late. You'd go, I'm always here before you. I've never been late. And then I would be stopped in my track. Well, not of that. If you then came back with righteous indignant nation, I would think that was funny. Because it's like, who are you talking to? This is kidding.

And that's the attitude you've got to adopt when you're dealing with a drug out. It's like, don't be fun. Come on, now. This is a serious business. Your kids are suffering. I looked up a play at Treatment Center down the road. We'll watch your kids during that week. You know, offer them real help, but don't walk on any shows. Be very, very direct and very swift and very complete. Daniel from Phoenix 32. Question about HIV transmission for women. Daniel? To men. Hey, hey, Drew. Get it on. Get it on. Drew, I was listening to your podcast over the week, and you had the young woman on who was from the MTV show. I'm positive.

Yes, it's Kelly Gluckman. It was the episode 8 aired on the 30th. Yes. And by the way, every Monday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Friday, Dr.ubon. Oh, your assholes with your dates. I'm becoming a blowheart. Kelly Gluckman, episode 8, aired originally 130. 013.

Who is the blowheart? Me for reading what those guys put up or these guys are putting it up. Get my broadcast at doctor.com. Anyway, Daniel. Yeah, Kelly is great. She's HIV positive. she's on treatment. What's the question? Well, it turned out

that she had ended up getting HIV from her boyfriend who lo and behold was sleeping with guys. Yeah, what? It's no. It's equal opportunity. Equal. You have just as much chance of getting it from a heterosexual person and heterosexual sexual

encounters and you do with it. That's what I've learned from watching PSAs. Very important message to say. I went online and that seems to be the information that's out there. So I was hoping Drew could maybe clear that up and just... All right. So you're more likely to...

Here's what go into the probability of transmission. Viral load in the individual with the disease. So if they're producing a lot of virus, if they're not on treatment, whether you're male or female, those are the people that are infectious. But close your eyes, everyone, and think of all the straight people you know who've been claimed by AIDS. All right. Now, think about the gay people. Okay.

Now there's exposure to fluids. So the more fluids, the more probability of the virus in it. And the more those fluids are exposed to absorptive areas. Rectum is designed for absorption of fluid. That's all it really does. As opposed to the mouth inhospitable to HIV. Vagina. Vigina is something that can be transmitted there, but less likely to be a blood-blood exposure there.

Just bring it home. Okay. You're good? All right. And last but not least, Paul, single father, full custody, three-year-old, once parenting advice. Hey, Paul. Paul, sorry to hear about your situation, 25, young, full-time dad. Look, the fact that you're wanting to know, that you're seeking answers, like how do I, how do I do best with my three-year-old child, boy or girl, by the way?

Boy. Don't worry about it. Get him involved in pee-wee football. and let the coaches raise them. He'll be fine. No. But I'll leave water out. You got to leave water out.

You don't want the kid to dry up on you. And I don't know if they eat kibble or just like Cheerios. Salt al-Talos. Saltails. Just bowl big hopper of Cheerios, a big hopper water. Kid will raise himself. Now the interesting thing is mom must, if you have full custody, mom must either be dead or a drug addict.

Neither one. She's just a flake, I guess. No. No. Or severe mental illness. A survivor of crazy abuse. Oh, yeah, that's definitely. Yeah.

She was abused. Oh, Adam. How do you know everything? You know, Adam. You know. Dr. Drew's a doctor. But what do you know? What do I know, bitches?

I've talked to 100,000 fucked up people. How many people do you talk to? You think because you go to college and read a few fucking books on fucked up people? you're an expert? Now, how do you know how to build a house, Adam? Because I build houses. You read a book on building a house. You think you can build a house better than me because you read a fucking book on it? Because you have some sort of degree and read a book? No, you don't know shit about building houses. Go build a house. I've been building houses. Never read a book on building houses. Only build houses.

Only talked up, only talked a fucked up people my whole life. Never read a book better than reading. a book. But you're going to go to iTunes You. Yeah, but listen, you want to learn a language, move to Paris, or you can do Burlitz, but you'll be better off, you move to Paris. I moved to Crazy Teenager Land.

All right. So, you had a kid with a messed up person, super messed up person, and the main piece of business is not making the kid internalize the fact that Crazy Mama doesn't want to be a part of their life.

That is Mama's business. That's not their business. The kid's a feel responsible for everything. It's not, it's not, Mama doesn't want to see you because you're not so good. It's Mama doesn't want to see you because Mama has big problems, had bigger problems with her daddy. And for now, she's not going to be around and she's trying to help yourself help. It's really about not having the kid internalize why Mama doesn't want to be a part of their life. Lots of attention, obviously, lots of structure.

I would get help if you can because, you know, try to. You know what I mean? Manpower is important. Lots of sports. And lots of sports. Yeah, lots of good activities. Lean protein and vegetables. So I want to thank everyone for listening.

Again, tell a friend. Donate if you like. And show the love on iTunes. Tell a friend, baby. Just tell a friend. So until next time, Sam Croll for Dr. Drew, Chris Max Patton, and Gary Halftard. Saying, Mahala.