The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #1004: I Speak Fluent Adam

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

January 31, 2019Adam and Dr. Drew open the show with Drew discussing fake news and lack of logic and how those fairly new ideas have quickly and radically changed the discourse of a large cross section of Americans. They then welcome in Jordan Harbinger and the discussion continues as they examine the changes in our society that have quickly come to fruition.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time for another throwback episode. This is number 1004 from January 31st, 2019. And we discuss fake news. Yep, a term that has taken hold by then. And how fairly new ideas have quickly and radically changed the discourse in large section of America. Wow, it's like history and evolution there. We welcome Jordan Harbinger and discuss and we discuss changes in our society that have quickly come to be. and Jordan's a bright guy and interesting guy. And so take a listen to this throwback from January 31st, 2019. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.

Yeah, get it on. Got to get on the show. They're going to make it on. Dr. Drew's board certified physician, Dig's measures there, buddy. Jordan Harbinger is going to come in and talk about life with us and a couple of few. But first, Drew, what do you got? I want to talk to him about Robert Green.

You're going to like that conversation. But I didn't finish my concern about the lack of logic in everyone's life today. Well, hold on. I agree. Yeah, lack of logic. It's vexing, Drew. It is. It is all encompassing these days.

And it's also really weird. I've never been comfortable having a conversation where I've sort of ended it with. Well, I know what I know. Or that's how I feel or something like that. Or if you raise a logical point of discussion that it's just brusterside, no, it's not it. Well, that's not that it's amazing. It's forming an agenda. It's promoting an agenda.

You know, we're getting to the place, although we've been there for a little while. I was, I don't know why I was thinking about kids in school breakfasts. It always drives me nuts. It's super symbolic. But the folks from the Young Turks show sort of tore me a new asshole for saying, I don't want kids. You know, you feed them. Feed them. Mama feeds them.

And what was their issue? I don't like kids. But it's the funny thing. is when they're playing the clips of me saying it's not about the money, I don't care about paying for the kid. I care about you when you do it. Then they come back and they go, Adam Carolla is too cheap to pay for your kids. It's like, well, I was super clear in what I said.

I said it wasn't about the money. Why? The thing that I'm finding interested in, the thing I'm finding interesting about our new world order is you didn't even hear what I just said. Yeah, they don't listen. I've gotten way past not listening. I'm so accustomed to that. It's ridiculous.

And by the way, I've noticed that when I, when I accused people accuse me of something because they didn't listen, and I will say fake news to them, that shuts them up for the most part. It's interesting. It's kind of a weird, it's an interesting, all of, the allegations are pretty interesting about not liking kids or being scared of people that look different than you from different countries or something. If true, it would make you one of the worst people ever, right? And how would you function? It'd be weird, right? Well, I got kids at home, and they got a lot of friends. You wouldn't even be able to deal with that.

You have to sit in your office. I'm sorry. Continue. I was just saying that I shut somebody up with fake news. I love the response when you really just go, hey, this is not what was happening. They go, yeah, well, go fuck yourself. That's the response. That's the response. Go fuck yourself.

It's like, oh, my God, this is the funniest thing in the world. But the lack of logic. So when you try to, even if you're going to talk about feelings and beliefs and attitudes and not talk about facts, you still have to have logically consistent conversation. You have to be logically consistent in your thinking. Well, when I was. And I don't think people know what that is anymore even. When I was young, the only people that were. that were allowed to not use logic, have logic, employ logic, were religious people.

They'd go, because it is written. Or, you know, because the all-knowing one, you know, tells us it is. Well, no, they would go, that's the point, is to have faith. And it doesn't make sense. Therefore, the faith is that much more difficult to achieve. That's what faith is really at its peak. Right. The thing that I now find funny as I listen, I now find myself listening to guys like Dennis Prager, the most religious people world going, oh, that guy makes it totally logical what he's saying.

Like, I find it funny that the folks that are essentially atheists, and I include myself in that group, the folks that are the atheists are the ones that are making the least sense in terms of. of following the logic trail. Which is an interesting turnaround because atheists are just non-religious people or, you know, look, I don't know. I don't know what Don Lemon's religious persuasion is. I'll just assume he's not a born-again Christian. He said things that don't make sense. and, you know, he just announces the president's a racist. And it's like, but he is, and many folks are non-religious.

And when I grew up, if you were non-religious, you had to have all your points in order. If you're religious, you could go, just I know what I know. That's what I'm going on faith. I can't take that away from me. I know what I know. Yeah. You know. Now it's kind of turned about and that the religious

people seem to be a little more focused. More logical. More interested in argument. Yeah, I mean, if you listen to anybody get into it with the very religious Ben Shapiro, you will hear a wave of logic coming one direction and a wave of, I know what I know, and I feel how I feel coming the other direction. Now, you can agree or disagree. disagree with Ben Shapiro, but what's not up for negotiation is not throwing tons of information

and logic your direction. You can defeat it, but it doesn't mean he's reaching into a bag filled with numbers and statistics and logic and throwing it your way. I'm not saying you can't win the argument, but you're reaching for a magical bag that Doug Henning used to wear in 1979 and throwing picks. dust back. What I'm saying is, reaching the information bag, throw it back, and win

the argument. Can't reach into the feelings bag. Can't rip Taylor's confetti bag. Woo! Yeah. Well, interesting. This is Adam Carolla from the Adam Carolla show. If you

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Hey, Buzzaboo. Hey, Buzzaboo. You know, guys, I've only been listening to this show for a couple of minutes now, but I've got to tell you so far, it is hot, hot, hot. It's calling from Hot Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah, baby. We got the Super Bowl coming in a couple weeks.

I'm a Patriots fan originally from Connecticut. I'm not one of those bandwagon guys. So I'm pumped that they're coming all the way down here. Six miles from my house. Nice. But so, as you know, I normally call. if you remember, it's usually bringing up classic love line stuff and Giovanni, again,

great work over there. But just wasn't to one that was a disturbing buildup, which was eventually culminating to Dr. Marcel bringing in a nice little pot or something of acid and he gently or Adam gently poured it over his

man units and Dr. Drew inspected him for what he believed would be a decent amount of warts where he said anyone under 35 living in a major city more than likely We have warrants. $100 is on the line. Hold on.

Hold on. You guys want to relive the rest. So we, Marcel brought in quarter percent of cetic acid, which Adam kept saying he didn't have warts. And I kept saying, nah, but you've got the pre-wort that you can't see. And we can see it. We bring in a black light. We pour cetic acid over your penis and we'll look at it on the black light. See, I think he hit it on the underside of his penis.

So I still believe he's got it. I did this live on a national radio show, which shows a certain amount of confidence in one's hunker. You must be confident in one's honger. Well, what's interesting is since that time, we've now understood

that those pre-viral things and things that I was convinced you have, which you probably did, go away by themselves. Well, no, it wasn't that. Drew, you realized that because you were so impressed at what it looked like at what actually his penis looked like that it was untouched, unused.

No, no. Pristine. It was a pristine penis. And yes, it had never been touched by human hands other than his own. That's right. But, yes, it was pristine. It got a slight, what would you be, would be considered like a door ding. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. A brand of a door d'Orne. When I dropped a magazine once. No, it's almost, it's like, it's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like.

You look at those manatees or whales. They have some scratches down the side. I didn't they run a box. Propeller from Chugs Magazine caught them. I get the analogy. Yeah. And an excessive amount of talc as well. Oh, yeah.

I was breathing in talc. I went big before I left. There was a cloud. A cloud emerged. You get an extra couple of wearings out of your underpants if you dumped the talc down there. But I do remember going to the Bank of America across the street on Venice and getting the hundred bucks and bring it to you. You brought a check. And I was like, what is this?

I don't want to check. He went during the break and got cast. I really have no recollection of that. I just remember being at the cash machine. You probably brought me a check because you want to write it off and you wanted some documentation. Hell yeah. Thanks, Steve. All right.

Thank you, guys. Let's get Jordan Harbinger coming this way. Jordan had to sit through that. So what was I was talking about, we were talking about logic before I lost my train of thought. I'm sorry to sit through that, Jordan. I'm very sorry. Is your wife here too? She is.

Oh, God, the humanity. Mm-hmm. Jordan Harbinger, the podcast of Jordan Harbinger show, and the episodes every week on iTunes and podcast one. Good to see again, my friend. Likewise. I heard what you guys were saying about people not listening to you. Yeah.

But I will tell you, I think those people are listening to you, but they're just doing some logical fallacy stuff. You know the straw man argument? Have you guys talked about this before? We've not got into specific, you know, cognitive problems. Yeah. But I don't think they. They hear what they want to hear.

So it's like motivated reasoning or motivated reasoning? No, I disagree with Drew. I sort of just, I sort of agree with Jordan. And let me give you this analogy. When you're playing a, you know, basketball championship game and a guy puts his foot on the line and the ref's going to make the call, each team isn't arguing over whether he did it or not. one team is arguing he did and the other team is arguing he didn't. They're not so interested on whether his foot technically was out of bounds or not.

You never see it come the other way where, well, the Golden State Warriors, oh, yes, they do admit the foot was out of bounds. And now they're arguing in lockstep with the other team with the Lakers that they're playing. No, they have, take sports. Smorts is pretty noble. Sports is pretty noble. But when there's a play that's close at home plate or whatever, the team, each team comes run, the dugout screaming and nobody goes, you were right. That'd be cognitive dissonance.

Yeah, maybe, yeah, the cognitive dissonance. And also just, of course, motivated reasoning. Like, look, they're not interested in it. They're motivated to be right. I'm motivated to win the game. You started a game and now it's a game and I want to win the game and you want to win the game. And we're not that interested on who stepped on the line and who didn't step on the line. We're interested in what uniform the person that stepped on the line was wearing.

and who gets the ball next? So the truth is secondary to the outcome. Truth. Truth. How dare you? I know. Well, it's like when people, you ever play Scrabble with someone? You don't have a dictionary on hand?

I never really play Scrabble either, but I've done it in the past. And someone goes, no, barge without an E on the end is a word. Barg is a word. And you're like, no, it's not. And they're like, yeah, and they'll sit there and dig in. This is maybe pre-smartphone days. And you're just like, okay, you either let them have it. And then they're used to getting away with that crap.

This is what Adam has encountered his whole life. No, I've never played Scrabble. No, that's Scrabble. People tell you they're right when you say they're, you know they're not. When I've, the biggest version of this that I have run into as of late is a sort of revisionist. It's a revisionist history thing, but it's more like I wish I had done this, but I didn't do it. So I will then say I did it. So it's a sort of thing.

I do it with my wife all time. Like I'll go like, where were you? I was worried. You were around? And she'll go, I told you. I was going out with my friends. I'll go, no, you never told me that. You go, I did.

And then she leaves. And it's like, well, where she, she didn't because if she did, I wouldn't be going where are. I never do that. Like I don't like, like, if Drew, I got the report today that Drew was going to be a little bit late. That's the report I got a day or two ago. I didn't walk out after my show at 410 and go, where the hell is this guy? I knew it. I heard it.

I knew it. I went to the other shop. Like, you tell me something. I'll never sit around and worry. Like, where are you if you said it? So I know you didn't say it. I don't think, I don't know if you know whether you said it or not. I do know you wish you said it.

And that's enough in our new world order. And I realize that there's a lot. There's a lot of like what you kind of wish. versus what is actually going on that we thought computers and screens and Google was going to fix, and it's actually exacerbated that. And at the same time, people can look at a video. We always say, well, if we only had a video of what happened, and they see two different things. Yes.

It's incredible. That, though, is not necessarily – that's not always intellectually dishonest. It often is, for sure. Yeah. But we – just did a show about this. intellectually dishonest. They don't even know they're being illogical. Yeah, it's a matter of perception.

There was a study on this. I just did a show about this. I wish I could remember the guest name because it was a couple months ago. But they were talking about those police videos where the person gets shot and they're unarmed. And this is, of course, not all cases. But there are many cases in which these psychologists are hypothesizing that the police officer actually saw a weapon at the time. because your brain, your eyes are not what, your brain constructs what you see. Your eyes are taking in data, but most of what I'm looking at right now, 80% of it's getting

rejected by my brain because I assume I already know it's there. Right. So like the wall, I go, yeah, it's a black wall. And then the memory has a whole other layer of reconstruction to it. Well, there's a constant attempt, you know, if you meet a guy and you go, hey, what's your name? And he goes, Pith. And you go, oh, Keith?

And he goes, Pete. And you go, Keith, right? That's what I said. Like, you're trying to connect. You're trying to pull it back towards something you know or something that works for you or something that's familiar. So if you shot somebody or you went to a party and didn't tell your husband or something like that, you're constantly trying to pull it back toward you. Wait a minute. I did the right thing.

Didn't I think I told you about that. We all believe we're good, wonderful people. I don't. Listen, I'm the only fucking person who plays softball that, like, what? When it's a tie at the first base and I'm on the outfield, I'm like, let her stand on first base. Like, moving on. Like, what the fuck? Like, what are we arguing over?

It's like it's a tie or she was there a second late or whatever. Like, just moving on. Like, it's not worth. It's not worth fighting. If you think you know how your brain works, you don't, listen to Jordan Harbinger. That's right. Yeah. And one of them was the Robert Green interview, which I want to talk to you about.

Yes. Yeah. We just keep reaching out to, you know, he had a stroke. Yeah, yeah. So he's, I'm sure. that he would love to talk to you as well. And we're trying to... Did he have a Peyton of Famer?

I mean, I don't want to... His age group should not be having strokes. No, so I found out what happened because he did ask me. Peyton Framma and Valli. He told me... What is that? A hole in his heart. How old is he?

No, I don't... Dumbow Trow. He's 55 or something. Okay. What happened was he was walking and he got stung by a bee in the neck on an area that was very... Bascular? Yeah, that's what I was looking at. And that's what the hypothesis is.

I don't think this is a secret. I think this was on the show, and I think maybe we either left it in or edited out. So hopefully I'm not putting him on the spot here. But he got a sting and it swelled up because he was just mildly allergic. But it was just enough to kind of like close off one of the arteries veins or something, which caused a little bit of a clot, which caused this whole thing. Talk about a crappy dose a lot.

Oh, my God. Yeah. That is crazy. And where you're pointing is the region where the tiger bit the guy. Siegfried and Roy. One of the guys. Roy or Sigfried. Yeah.

50-50 chance of getting that. Well, anyway, his human nature book seems interesting. It is great. It's 30 hours on Ottawa, 29 and a half hours or 28 and a half hours or something like that. What did you get out of that? Oh, man. I read that book twice for prepare for that interview. Yeah, I could tell you're prepared.

Two week long prep phase. But one of the key points that I thought was really interesting was the difference between envy or jealousy, which, by the way, are two different things. Yes. I talk about that all the time. Yeah, I didn't even realize that. I thought they were freaking... No, jealousy is that guy's got something I wanted. It makes me feel bad.

I'm going to work hard to get it. I'm going to be like him. I don't like that he has it, but I'm going to work hard to... Envy is that guy has something I have. I'm going to destroy him. It's a toxic thing you have or something you don't have. Something you don't have. If, you know, Adam has a race car.

Adam has a race car. I wish I had that. F him. I'm going to destroy him. I'm going to find a way to bring him down to my side. But what you didn't talk about that I thought was interesting, he had a lot of to say about narcissism, but envy is a liability of narcissism. Yeah. It's a feature of narcissism.

It can be. But there's a, I guess one of the things I took from this that I thought was really interesting is we all have kind of a health, not all of us, actually, many of us don't. Most of us have a healthy level of envy. So if I, when I come here and I see all this cool stuff that you guys have, I'm like, if I work my ass off and I do everything right and I make a few mistakes and I. I make up for them and I do the right things with my money and my business, I can afford to do something similar. Maybe. Maybe. Right.

At some point. But the toxic would be, you know, these guys have all this stuff. They don't deserve it. What are they doing that I don't have? They're bad. Then, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start a rumor that says last time I came in here, there were a bunch of stolen items on the floor. So one is they're bad because they have those things.

And I got to take them down. The other is, oh, it makes me uncomfortable. I wish I could do that. Yeah. And it can be motivated. It can be healthy. You know, you're supposed to look at somebody who has a lot of things that are more than you and go, well, that makes me feel like I can maybe attain that too. I wish I had it now, but I understand that I don't.

But I would call that that's jealousy. That's jealousy. But envy is really when you want to bring them down. And that's narcissism. Is that always the case? Well, the goal, you know, what brings it on is it used to be, I wrote about it in 50 years of all be chicks. By the, it's only about a six-hour audio. More wisdom there is saying.

More wisdom in that book is what he's saying. The problem is this. I speak fluent at him. The idea is to try to get to the level of somebody else. And so you kind of go, well, look at that guy's in great shape. It's great shape. Look at him. It's in great shape.

And then you go, I want to get to that level. So you go to the gym and you spend 10 minutes on the treadmill and you go, fuck this. Yeah. Then you go, I'm going to hold that guy down and force feed him donuts. Yes. Right. Either way, we're getting to the same. place. I went on his fucking

regimen and that sucked. I got up at 6.30 in the morning. I did five miles of road work. Then I went to go do power lifting. Fuck that. Let's get that guy fattened up. And then we will be on the same level. You know, by hook or by crook, we'll be on the same level. And that

is a very dangerous that's a dangerous thought. And that's dangerous. The more narcissistic, the more the liability to that thinking. I thought jealousy was when you wanted to keep something that you already had and envy was when you wanted something somebody else had. Lots of people have lots of different ideas about these things.

That's a reasonable way of looking at it. Okay. Because I felt like that was in the book, but now I'm not sure. He had stages of envy is sort of what his thing was. Well, these, see, here's what's going on. I'm sorry. And what I think he called healthy envy, I would call jealousy. That's okay.

Okay. Just talking about the same thing. Yeah, okay. So I'm not going crazy. No, no. Go ahead. We have a wiring as humans, which is, not a flattering wiring.

Like there's a whole bunch of stuff we want to do. It's basically what seven-year-olds do. They want to grab stuff from other people. They want to do it. It's what like animals. Like I had two cats when I grew up. And the one cat, you know, they'd eat the same kibble. And the one would eat its bowl for a minute.

And then it'd swap over to the other bowl and knock the other one out of the way and eat their bowl. And then they'd see the other one go around to the other bowl. And then they'd look at the other bowl and go, fuck that. and then go back to the other bowl. It's like you'd watch it as a human going to give me a break, but that's kind of how humans, definitely. We have horrible wiring. Here's the wiring.

This is a famous primate study in cappuccine monkeys. You can teach a monkey for reinforcing behavior, get a slice of cucumber, right? Monkey's perfectly happy getting that cucumber, doing the behavior, doing whatever we ask it to do. And then these researchers put a monkey in the cage next to that monkey. And that monkey, when he did the behavior, got a grape. Right. And from then on, the cucumber monkey would throw the cucumber at the researchers. Wouldn't take it.

We'd just throw it back at them. Right. Isn't that funny? Well, it is. That is us. That's us. And so in my humble estimation... We'll hurt ourselves to make a point about somebody else getting something we think is unfair.

That's funny. My estimation is that there are two things that can eradicate that or keep it at bay. It's always the impulse to throw the cucumber at the researcher. but what stops certain monkeys from doing it. And it was always family and religion. Family and religion was just a nonstop. All religion was is, don't do that. Don't do that.

You want to do it. The 10th commandment. Right. Oh, yeah. Your oxen or, okay. Or whatever. So, okay, your ass or the oxen, whatever it is. Your neighbor's wife.

The point point is it's like family, education, family, family, religion, religion, family. And so the whole thing was constructed to have the mom. and the dad and the dad going, that's your little brothers, Cheerios. Do not, no, no, no. You had your Cheerios. Now it's his turn to eat. You know, it's like, and the Bible and every 10 command,

all the commandments and everything. Everything was, we got to beat this out of these creatures. Because this is what they want to do. This is what these primates want to do is they want to take the cucumber and throw it in the face of the researcher. And we must be very diligent about a constant pressure to not let them do that. Now, what we're seeing now is fuck family and fuck religion and guess who's spinning off? The kids, the primates are spinning off.

The talking monkeys. Why wouldn't they spin off? I'm a fucking atheist and I understand what's going on. It's funny to see the monkey throw the cucumber back. But it also speaks to some of these happiness studies that we've explored on the show as well where you find that people who are really happy, they could be objectively making 10% of what they're Let's say we take some guy from California who makes $100 grand a year or Manhattan, makes $100,000 a year. He's kind of like, nah, not doing so well in Silicon Valley of Manhattan.

You take that guy, you move into Michigan where I'm from, and he is thrilled because he's comparatively more well off than everyone around him. And that's a better measure of happiness than the absolute level of income that you have. So the other thing the happiness study shows is that people are perfectly happy. Their happiness skills are way up high until somebody around them has more and that it dives. Right. And it has to be in the area. Like if I'm comparing myself, if I compare myself to you guys, I'm not like, God, you know, I'm never going to get there. I hate this.

I hate my life. I'm like, oh, it's reasonable. Look how much work these guys are done there. Six rungs above the ladder. But if I get next to some other guy who's like one rung above the ladder, man, does that grind my gears? I can't sleep at night. It kicks in some competitive instinct where if someone's high enough above you on the totem pole, it doesn't trigger you the same way it does if somebody's just right above you, one rung. too. That's true. Yeah, but there's also studies that somebody sent me recently is that people that are

quadriplegic versus people that win the lottery go back to their resting state. That's old literature. It's been somewhat questioned some of that stuff. But let's not test it out. But the point is still well taken is people step, they go back to their what's called hedonic set point. Yeah. There's a sort of kind of a zone you go into whether you win the lottery or you get a quadruly. You kind of head towards. Now, a lot of that stuff was sort of disproven to quantum pleases. They can be very unhappy, trust me. Well, makes sense.

But they do also go back towards hedonics at that point. Well, it's part and parcel of as a guy, I don't like talk about my family of origin. I noticed that. But just this one. Just this once. They were sort of unhappy people. It never seemed to be too excited about anything I was doing. But I was doing BMX bikes and football and building and cars and all the shit they didn't

one. The devil's work. They called it, specifically. But they always liked the Oscars. And so last year and the year before, when I wrote for the Oscars, I thought, oh, well, now, now it's on. Like I can share something finally. They're like Paul Newman race cars or anything, but they're going to fucking love this shit. They were actually funny, even further down the sort of shutdown road when it became threatening

because now there was something on the table that they should have been sort of interested or enthusiastic about? They became more avoidant. They became more dismissive and more avoidant. It's their avoidance. Of it. And so this notion of like, well, wait, oh, wait, oh, wait, I give them something good. Like, wait.

Okay, they're a little downtrodden and they're not that into it. But wait, do they hear about the Oscars? That'll be it. Zero. And so, well, negative. It's as funny as the Cuccovers fly back. Negative and positive, meaning you are sitting around thinking, well, if I just made a little more money, then I would be a little happier or if I wrote for the Oscars instead of

went and raced vintage cars. My mom would get into that, right? It's like, no, no, not, nope, that's who they are. Same way you'd be back to where you were winning the lottery or not. Yep. Right? Yep. I, there's a lot. We are way too naive about either, here's a large sum of money in a foam core check. Now you're going to be different. Yeah. And, hey, mom, guess who's writing for the Oscars? Like, and she's going to be different? Like, no. She's, He's not going to be different at all, and you're not going to be different two days later. Speaking of proximity, it just reminds me of some of this literature on soulmates. Oh, God, yes.

People are say, don't you believe in a soulmate? It's like, if there were soulmates, like such a thing as a soulmate, why is it true that the vast, fast, fast, vast majority of marriages occur between people that either went to school together, live in the same vicinity, work together, just magically soulmates just congregate in the same spot always? And there's like a billion and a half people in China and a billion in India. But hey, good thing you met someone in Troy, Michigan that happens to be cosmically destined to marry. In your name, it just happened to be down the hall for you in your apartment. Right, in the dorms. Jordan, I love, and I talk to Drew about this quite a bit, but I love all the pursuits and all the interests and all the explanations and the exploration. I find that to be, I find like, I feel like one half of this country is taking a deep dive into Fortnite and Twitter, Twitter wars.

And the other half is going, I'm fucking going to be better than I was yesterday. I think the podcast has the potential to say thing. And that's why I live during the podcast, because he's getting all the stuff I just, I preoccupy it with all the time. Gary, before you leave, Gary, did we not talk to, I remember, I'm going to you to validate this story. I was talking to a virtue ethicist, an Aristotelian historian or a philosopher. And she said, you know, she's in Britain and she hears all these crazy stories. This has ended up coming Dr. Drew podcast. And how crazy things are here.

And she gets to Chicago and she's going to deal with the naturalization people, the immigration people, she's thinking, oh, here it comes. So she goes up and the guy's like, what are you doing here? She goes, I'm a virtuousist. I'm going to teach Aristotle at Oxford. And he goes, really, I thought, I really think that Plato's, Allegory of the cave is perhaps not as useful as the Necumachian ethics that Aristotle. And she was just like, oh, what, where did you learn this?

Yeah. Podcasting. No kidding. Yeah. Great. Yeah. The guy's the immigration official sitting there in O'Hare. Right.

Remember the story? Absolutely. That's an upcoming Dr. Drew podcast with Edith Hall. Edith Hall. Thank God. Somebody's, oh, man, that's a relief somehow. I think, I really believe it's connecting people an interesting way and it's teaching people in an interesting way.

Wow. It has potential. I'm not saying it's going to help. us, but it has potential. Well, at least there's some kind of opposite force because Fortnite is a force to be reckoned with. Everybody I know plays that. And I'm talking about like, my neighbor's an NFL player. He's actually a really smart guy. He loves it. And then like, all these little kids love it. But there are people who are like, I'm going to quit my job and play Fortnite. And I'm like, how about no? Don't do that. I never do that than the Twitter

wars, to be fair. Fair enough. Yeah. I don't, my whole thing is like, yeah, people love it. It's really addictive. I'm like, good. Not doing it. Why would I do it? Like I, you're never My family does it. Red Death 2, Red Death, whatever. Red Dead Red Dead Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. I will admit that I bought that the other day because I wanted to play a video game for the first time in like three years, and I went and got that one.

South Park was the best episode of that. Everyone, the boys came across was touting at it. And finally they go to hell and Satan's like, and Cartman's like, are you playing it too? He goes, yeah, it's awesome. No video games ever for me. It's a skill set that I feel like, like, Fortnite looks hard. It looks hard.

And there are games where they say the learning curve is like three years to get good at it. And I can't remember what these are called, but they have tournaments. What a waste. And a buddy of mine DJed this championship between Taiwan and the Philadelphia whatever's for this game. And it was in Brooklyn, 20,000 people stuffed into an arena playing this game. The amount of man hours that went into all these people having mastered this game, there's many lethal chronic diseases that could have been cured had we put. 10% of that time.

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