The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #1155 Treat it Like Pigeons at the Park

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Sep 18, 2019Adam and Drew kick things off by revisiting the outrage teased at the end of the previous show, then take a call about why honest conversation so often gets labeled “punching down.” They also react to the controversy over Dave Chappelle’s Rotten Tomatoes score and finish with a bizarre case from Idaho’s legal system.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, we react to the controversy, Dave Chappelle's Rotten Tomato Score, and finish with a bizarre case from Idaho's legal system right after this. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got the other shows. I'm going to make you know.

Thanks today. Thanks, that's what you. Right, right. Drew. Right. You can't even do gibberish. I can't.

I'm not good at it. Sorry. Ooh, we'll call his calls. I got some good calls. Wow. All right. Now, yesterday. Yeah, yesterday.

I talked about, the outrage isn't even the right word. It's that indignation. Look, it used to be nobody wanted to be called uptight. Right. And if you if you displayed outrage, then you were uptight. You were stuffy. No one wanted to be dodgy or stuffy.

Yeah. And there was like that square old rich guys out of it. And he's, you know, and he's outraged by everything. This is just being cool, man, but he's being outraged. Yeah, the joke would always, the joke, there was some sort of joke where that guy, the woman, to tell something like outrageous to the woman and she'd go well I never how dare you was that how dare you no but the joke the punchline was like they go well I never and they go well looks like you should or something like that was sort of sort of a sexual reference or something like that she'd be wearing a big mink

stole you know and have her hair up high and that was all you know now they were outraged they were outrage on behalf of themselves. Yes. Not on behalf of the children at the border. So it's the same outrage, but you can't do it about yourself. Well, you can't if you have been sort of mistreated in this history. No, you say I am outraged, yes, for this group. Now, if you're in that group, that's fine, too.

But you can be outraged on behalf. Every fac-caque-ta-fucking actress in this town is outrage on behalf. Now, meanwhile, they're living in a triple-gated community and married to a fucking producer is 20 years older. They're getting all the union is getting the union privileges getting decayed and taken away for them, like first-class travel. Oh, my God. I love that. I love it. Okay.

They are rich and they are taken care of. So they are now outrage on behalf of others. Now, the outrage on behalf of others is fine if you treat it like pigeons at the park. Like if you go, I love pigeons. I'm outraged. If these pigeons don't have enough to eat, I'm going to get a bunch of breadcrumbs. I'm going to the park. But that's not what you're doing.

You're announcing to everybody. you're outraged. And then... Than attacking somebody who should have been taken care of the park. Right. So that's... Maybe it's nothing to do with the park,

but just somebody that is in your crosshairs. That's a little bit different than actually movement. Now, the movement... And listen, I've learned this... I... This I learned a long time ago from my mom. The one that never paid taxes who only got... money from the government never stopped talking about how bad the government was and how

these fat cats don't pay anything and all this kind of stuff should have been the last person to utter pay their fair share literally sailed through her whole life without ever paying taxes and was outraged the entire time about others paying tons of taxes but not enough for her you know what I mean I mean that's the first the first the first first part of it is that. The the wild inconsistency. I mean,

I pay shitloading taxes and I get, and I want more shit for it, but at least that's consistent. You know, people may think I'm a douche, but that's, that's, I go, I pay to shit load in. I don't like that there's fucking shit out on the curb. Go clean it up, government. I pay enough.

That's, that's the way I feel. But at least that's a sort of semi-consistent thought. Yeah. Even though it always makes people mad. Talk about the, how was I have some chips up here. Let's do it. Yeah, Chip. Line three, Chip.

Yo, hey guys. Hi, guy. Hi, God. I think this dovetails in which you guys are talking about yesterday a bit and today. So I live in L.A., lots of homeless, as we all know. And I've always wondered why you can't have an honest debate, you know, with certain people about homeless. They immediately go to housing, housing, housing. if you try to mention, well, some people are mentally unbalanced, they go crazy.

And I kind of figured out what one of their lines of attack is, is they'll basically say you're punching down, and that's supposed to stop the debate. So, by liberal people saying you're punching down, I think that they're putting homeless into a category, almost like a minority, like a civil rights type thing, like you're making black jokes or you're picking Polish jokes. And I'm curious to get your guys' thoughts on that, but this whole punching down is the mantra that I've heard a lot of that you essentially are hard to get ass. They kiss my ass on that one.

That's nothing to do with anything. It's like saying it's punching down because I make a diagnosis. What are you talking about? That's insane. The whole thing is to stop you and they can't stop you with reasonable debate. Here's something interesting, I think you'll find. I had a conversation with the mayor of Pasadena, who is somebody I admire. And he says, you know, we have 783 homeless people in this town,

and we're trying to get them all house. And he goes on. He started this bullshit about what they really need is the housing. And I go, look, it's all mental illness. I met them all on the street and passing. I live in passing. These are all mentally ill people. No, they just need housing with wraparound services.

And I said, Mayor, when you break your femur, you don't need wraparound services. When you have your appendix out, when you have a heart attack, you don't need to wrap around services. You know who renders rap around services? You know what is an institution that is about wraparound services? A psychiatric hospital. Right. Psychologists, psychiatrists, vocational rehab, occupational rehab, chemical dependency counselor, or social worker.

That's a psychiatric hospital. Only psych patients need wraparound services. So you're telling me they all need wraparound services. They're all mentally ill. That defines mental illness. It was so crazy to have that. conversation. Well, the thing that's insane, as I always think about these conversations, is when Gavin Newsom comes in here and he sits down and he goes, half the black and half

the Latino population of Los Angeles does not have access to checking accounts. What does that mean? First of all, pretty big Latino population in Los Angeles last time I walked outside, decent black population does not have access to a checking account. Now, of course, that is a colossal lie, but let's just say for a second, you weren't lying. Let's take you at your word. We should be working to fix that immediately. First off, how's that possible? It's all online now, too.

It's not only you have to even have a bank. It literally sits there. tells me that. Now, look, it's not his fault. He's the fucking Fuller Brush Salesman who comes to your door and is trying to fucking sell you shit. It's not his fault. It's the journalist and the news people who knowingly nod and make a sound. You know, when he's doing the view and he comes out and he fires one of those rockets out of his ass and they all go, mm, mm, mm, mm. So true. So true. Yes, it's that person. That's the criminal.

Not him. He's a bullshit salesman trying to sell you a snow shovel of bullshit. You work for MSNBC or CNN or the Los Angeles Times. Why are you nodding? Why aren't you doing your fucking job? Why aren't you saying that sounds insane? Please show me your data. And walk me through it.

How does it work? Two Mexicans. Sounds like a good joke. Two Mexicans walk into a B of A. One gets a checking account. The others turned away. Or blacks. How does that work?

Access, by the way. I love that we use, I love how we use the word access. Access. Now, look, it's not insane that he's shoveling. It's insane that you get your mouth open. That's what I'm saying. What's everyone buying into this?

It's all our fault. It's not these asshole dumbbo politicians' fault. It's our fucking fault. I mean, I'm talking the guy runs the fucking Staples Center. He's scared to tell the guys that stopped selling ghetto dogs on his steps. He doesn't want to get into trouble. It's our fault. What are we voting these people in?

Well, that's the part I have trouble with, too, is the lack of willingness to seek the truth and then address the truth. Are we just getting these rhetorical, nonsensical, vortices? True. Yeah, that's why the homeless thing is so vivid for me, because these are my patients. I know exactly what to do with them. I've treated them for years. Everyone's mind has turned to shit.

I sat at a fucking table with 13 middle-aged adults, and I explained to them what the whole situation with the leaf blower was in Los Angeles. And they all looked at me like I was nuts. They all basically said I was racist and they all disagreed and none of them offered up a fucking shred of evidence to counter my argument. Their fucking minds have gone.

And then I got to sit there being the loudmouth fucking racist piece of shit at the table in Maui. Maui. It's a delightful buffet-style breakfast we have with me. Oh my God. Thanks, Jeff. Yeah, I don't know. Drew, there are answers.

Yeah. I have many of them. I got them too. Whenever they go, they're complicated. No, it's simple. Oh, you know, my greatest is now this new euphemism. Like, you have a horrible home.

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He's amazing in that movie. Yeah. That whole cast, that whole everything about that. Have you ever seen the way they recut it into four episodes? Yeah. It's on Netflix. It's interesting. It doesn't change it a ton, but it's, I love that movie.

I got to say, that's a weird divider. Brian hates that movie. I don't get that. He loves it. He loves in excess, too. So you should worry a little about it in the taste department. Why does he hate it? Mike August hates it.

Well, Mike August does that thing you can do with any movie at any time where you just go, yeah, five guys sitting in a cabin all night. I get it. You know, like, Jaws, a shark, a guy swimming, okay already. You know, like, you can just say that for any, you can do that for any movie you want, right? But that movie, I just love the dialogue. I love the snow. I love the ride up. I love the whole thing.

I love the twist. I love the turn. How about Lee? What's her name? Lee. What's her name? I saw it. Leah.

Leah. Lee. She was so amazing. Everything was great. Now, the thing that's funny is Mike August hates that movie and Brian hates that movie, but I love that movie. And I actually, it's one of those movies that's such a slow, it's such a Jennifer Jason Lee. It's such a slow burn. You can watch it two or three times.

It's like it works. It works every time. Now, it's also one of those films that after you've seen. seen it the once. You can pick it up anywhere and really enjoy it. Just watch to the end. Because I think it's so great. Writing is so great. Yep. Now the thing is, is once upon on time in Hollywood was not as good.

Right. Brian has it much higher. Weird. On his list than I do. I have it toward the bottom of my Tarantino movies. I wonder why. He loved that movie. But not with the critics,

but it is the lowest scoring people. one spot on home is Tarantino's lowest scoring people on rotten I was in Indianapolis when I saw it and people walked out quite a few yeah I got to say this Drew

in the annals of being right and I don't like to talk about myself but I sat here with Matt Achity who was running Rotten Tomatoes four and a half years ago and I said to him your site is being corrupted It's being corrupted by politically woke folks that are writing these movie criticisms.

They're swaying it one way. I know what ones are going to be high and what ones are going to be low in advance by the subject of the movie. I know Moonlight's going to score high, and I know the latest Clint Eastwood, whatever, is going to go down a couple of points. It's not 50%. It's just swaying it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, what's, because of politics. And he said, you're crazy.

This is not going on. Now does he say that? I don't know, could anyone argue that, I mean, Dave Chappelle is what's, what's, what's Dave, you know, Dave Chappelle's stand-up specials 99 with the people and it was 24 the last time I checked with the critic? There was a while there where these people, I have the image on the screen, where the only eight that were allowed to review it and they had it at zero. Right.

All woke. No joke. Ooh. Now, look, Drew, here's what I'm saying. I'm not saying I'm a genius. I'm saying this is what's happening. Recognize it. And he was saying, no, make a better film, essentially.

And I was saying, no. I said allegedly, women weren't funny, and I started getting punished after that. I was asked who's funnier, men are women. I said, men are funnier. But either way, from that point on, the woke scold crowd started, I said it's not 50%, it's not 100. It's 15%. You know, it's a percentage. It's a percentage.

Yeah. Now it's on. And now you can't use rotten tomatoes anymore because if you want to know, should I check out the Dave Chappelle special and go see what the critics think, they're 23%. The Chappelle special? That's what the words that are leaving my mouth are sounding like when you put them in the right order. Wow. That's right. Arguably, one of the strongest stand-up specials out in the last 10 years is under 25%.

Why is that? They don't like, it's 27% with the people right. Okay, why, Drew? On the... This whole concept is now going to befuddle Drew. No, no, I get it. I can't read it, though. Okay, got it.

All right. Audience score. There you go. Perfect. Perfect. You can say things out loud. Yes. Tomato meter is 27 percent.

All right. So what is it, Drew? 99 with 27 percent. I'll also point out that the tomato meter is based off 15 reviews and the audience score is based off of over 32,000. Right. But what I'm saying is, is if you would like to, go to this site to get your information to decide whether you shall see a movie or not,

the critics are now Nolan Void. And what really hurts content creators like you, Ace Man, is that when you go to a streaming service, you know, or you're on your cable box and they include the Rotten Tomato Score, they're not including audience. It's all based on the tomato meter. So you could click on this on your, you know, direct TV or whatever in a few years when it's off Netflix. And this could really, you could say no, I don't want to do that. Now, it's a good point, Gary, but here's what I'm going to say to Drew, and it's the same thing I would say to whoever's running MSNBC. Stop calling everyone Hitler.

You're losing your validity. Dave Chappelle has put out one of the best stand-up specials in the last decade, and he can't make it to 30%. Stop it. You're hurting your business. You're going to undermine your business. Yeah. People are going to stop. You're not going to your sight to figure out what to see anymore.

Especially since there's such a big disparity between what you experienced and what the meter says. Then you go, well, that meter, I can't rely on that meter. What do we know about the Oscars in Best Picture now, right? Does it mean what it used to mean? No, we go, oh, it's the wokest. Oh, okay, okay, okay, black, okay, gay. Okay, who directed? Oh, it was a woman.

Oh, she's a let. Oh, she's transitioning. Is that what we do? That's what we do, right? Okay. How did we get there? You brought us there. Okay.

There could be a film that comes out later this year about a transgender, American, Indian, Mohican, half-black, lesbian, lesbian teacher works with special needs dolphins. and it could be directed by butt plug. It drew. Could be a great film. No. Listen to me. That butt plug does amazing work.

No. It could be a great, legitimately great film, but what would your first thought be? Oh, wow. Okay. All right. I get it. That ruined? Now we're ruined.

That's how it works. They have ruined. That's how you ruin things. You think, oh, okay, I get it. Right? Yeah. Okay. That's not what you want.

You don't want it out of the Oscars. You don't want it rotten tomatoes. You don't want that involved, infused into everything. Yes? You don't want it, but we're there. I've been warning people. Tempo this time of year. I'm just trying to stay consistent, but life can

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All right. Who do you want to talk to? Andrew? On line four is Blinken. Okay. Andrew? Oh, that's line four. Good day. Good day. Speaking of films about transgender Native Americans, have I got a story for you? Boy, here we go. So I'm up here in Idaho, and we've got an interesting recent legal case with a transgender inmate, who happens to be a Native American, actually, who's demanding that the prison pay for gender confirmation surgery. and she sued the state in 2017.

Andrew, we've been doing that in California for years. We've got news for you. That's a standard operation here. Hold on a second. Hold on. This may be a new one for me. Gender confirmation? Yeah, basically.

Now we call the gender reassignment surgery. Yeah. Yeah, but we don't call it that anymore. Well, hold on a second. Gender confirmation. Is confirmation now basically joined access in terms of its wild wrong definition. So now you're confirming the actual identity that was pre-existing.

Well, we're using, when when when Gavin Newsom says Hispanics don't have access to checking accounts, he's not using the word access correctly. Everyone has access to checking. Some don't use it. Some choose not to use it. Some it's more difficult to use. But no one, by, by, if you look up the word access, This is not that.

Right. Gender confirmation is what doctors used to do upon birth. What is it? We never even used a term like that. No, I know. But I mean, you'd come out of the birth canal and they'd go, oh, he's got a dick. It's a dude. Confirm that.

It's a boy. This isn't confirming this. Gender reassignment is accurate. Look up gender confirmation, Gary. This may make me laugh all this. the way home. Sorry, Andrew. So I hadn't heard that this was happening in any other states. Last, I knew this was kind of a new thing. Is that true that this kind of surgery is?

I know. I've seen many cases where they were, yeah, they were paying for it for. Look, if something sounds. Two times? Like twice? No, no, sorry. I was just trying to tell you. Something sounds expensive and a waste of the taxpayers. I don't want to make it feel bad, but rest assured, California has thought of it before you. If it's a colossal waste of taxpayer money and it's fucking an insane idea and it benefits people who don't pay taxes, we have done it before you.

Wherever you are, wherever you hear this, whatever state or country you're in, we have beat you to the retarded flagpole. I guarantee you that's the way California works. What do you got, Gary? Basically, it's a term used by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons. It means the same thing as sexual reassignment or gender reassignment, but they use the term gender confirmation or GCS. Gender confirmation surgery. And then check out previous cases in California with the GCS. Look up the fucking word confirmation and look up the word access.

That's insane. Here, let me do it. I'll do it on your phone. It doesn't mean. Dictionary.com. Hey, Drew, you know me. I hate education. But we are in danger of fucking scrambling people's brains.

Because when you start saying access and confirmation and you're just using them patently wrong all the time, we're now doing it with many different words. The right ability or permission to approach, enter, speak with, or use admittance. Away are means of approach. Means of approach. Confirmation? No, this is access. Oh, sorry.

Access. State equality of being approachable. accessible. Punchy. So it's approachable. All right. So Mexicans are what? 50% of Mexicans can't approach banks?

Confirmation is the action of confirming something or the state of being confirmed. Yeah. I would say when you drop someone's drawers and take a look at their junk, that's the confirmation part. The reassignment part, that makes a little more sense to me. But confirm is to establish the truth, accuracy, validity, or genuineness verify. Andrew? Yes, sir. What are you doing there in Idaho?

I'm working in a radio, actually, inspired by you. Oh, really? What kind of radio? What's the format? It's an NPR station. Mm-hmm. Uh-oh. You better watch out.

Your days are numbered, Brata. Listen. I keep my head low. Yeah. You better, you better, if this case comes up, you talk about what a big fan you are of that inmate and how it's outrageous that we've not confirmed or reconfirmed and reassigned their gender. But to be fair, if you're going to make this, let's see how would the logic be, if you're going to make it a medical treatment for a standard condition, in the law, they kind of have to do it, right?

Well, you know, there's a part of the law where you go, oh, come on. And then there's a part of the law that's the law, which is, I've always said this, the North Hollywood bank robbers. I mean, they let those guys, one of the guys, just bleed out on the street, you know. And he's the worst person ever born. And he shot 1,300 rounds in the community. And it was funny. It's kind of interesting.

The one time, and I don't really mean the one time, but the most famous time that somebody really did take assault rifles and put extra banana clips on them and do multi-armor piercing stuff, and I mean, really went full military grade. Nobody was outraged about the rifle. They were all outraged about the person. This is way back in 1997. But now kids shoot up schools with pistols and hunting guns.

I mean, assault rifles, quote unquote, are less than 3% of the shootings. But we just turned everything into assault rifle. Back then, those guys had AK-47s with big fucking barrel clips on them and stuff. Like, they were full military. And no one was outraged about the hardware. It was what the fuck is wrong with those two guys. Interesting, right? No discussion about how they had access.

Well, we weren't interested. Here's what we thought. We wanted to know why those guys would do that. The part where they got their contraband, we just assumed like, all right, you can, you look, you got some money and you're a bad dude. You can buy illegal shit. That's going to happen. We want to know why these guys did this. Now we've flipped the script, which is we've got to stop those guys from having access to this stuff,

except for we can't do it. But no discussion. Interesting. You remember any discussion on weaponry? No, no, no, no. Just that it had been spotted by the cops before and they were allowed to go off with it, remember? I know the whole story.

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