The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #1165 Abuse is in the Eye of the Beholder

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Oct 2, 2019Adam and Dr. Drew open the show and go straight to the phones to speak to a few callers including one who wants their thoughts on the news that Jordan Peterson has been admitted to 'rehab' for Klonopin dependency, though many in the media are calling in addiction. They also speak with a caller who is interested in the guys thoughts on recent climate change sensation Greta Thunberg leading to a larger conversation about climate change as a whole. They also discuss the detrimental impact it can have on kids if their parents are constantly filling their heads with thoughts of doom & gloom. As the show winds down they talk to a caller with a variety of questions from a botched circumcision to tips to gain weight.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time for another throwback episode. This is 1165 abuse. It's in the eye of the beholders. Yeah, we go straight to the phones and speak to a few callers, including one who wants our thoughts on the news that Jordan Peterson has been admitted to a treatment program. We also speak to a caller who's interested in thoughts on climate change. Greta Thunberg, you're going to imagine how this all looks in the retrospective scope. We also discussed the detrimental impact This whole climate conversation Could have on kids And by the way, this was October 2019

Little did we know what was coming We talked to a variety of callers And a variety of topics coming up This episode from October 2nd, 2019 Just on the eve of the COVID situation It sounds interesting in retrospect Dot com Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios

With Adam Carolla and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew's show. Yeah, got to get on. Got to get on. Andy. You got to get on. Has that Drew over there?

Yeah. Is it board service medicine? That's over there. Texas management. That's just. They've been waiting around for a while. Let's go to it. I'll just go down the line starting at three.

Josh 41, Boulder. Yeah, hey, guys. What's going on? Not much. I heard that Jordan Peterson went to rehab on a conopin, I think. And I was just wondering if you think he's okay mentally. I noticed that he kind of broke down crying during an interview with Dr. Oz. I guess his wife is in cancer treatment. And I just want to know if Dr. Drew thinks he's okay or what he thinks. I haven't seen anything about his condition other than he went to treatment somewhere. he is not an addict per se, which I find weird that they're calling it rehab. I'm sure he went to probably what happens. He probably got depressed, went to psychiatric hospital because they call everything rehab.

So I'm going to guess he went into a psychiatric hospital and needed to be detox from the clonopin. No one should be on these medicines chronically. And because somebody needs detox or is dependent on a drug doesn't necessarily mean they're a drug addict. My understanding is that he was prescribed Clonopin as he was dealing with his wife who was in dire medical straits, but she's a lot better now and he tried to stop and had withdrawal. Right, exactly. That's not a drug addiction that is dependency. And if he was also at a mood to stir, well, he could just go in for the withdrawal. But Clonidivodrol is a bitch.

And so, you know, I hope he's with somebody that knows what they're doing because my fear is they'll put him on another benzodiazepine. Benzodiazepine, hopefully he'll start to speak about the fact that benzodiazepines are the hidden epidemic right now. It's been there right alongside with the opiates. The people that died of their prescription opiate deaths always was because of a combination of benzodiazepine and an opiate. But now, of course, we have all the IV, the fentanyl and the heroin, which is also killing people. But when you don't, if you have not yet graduated to the IV drugs, it's the benzodiazepine that does the killing or the addition of the benzodiazepine. And there are plenty of people on benzodiazepines without opiates and not designed for chronic use. All right.

I had heard he went into rehab, and that's all I had heard. I'm a fan of the guy, so we wish him a speedy recovery, Josh. Well, that's good. Yeah, I like him, too. And, you know, I just kind of bypass all this stuff that, you know, he doesn't like the Me Too movement or the women or whatever. He's like the enemy of the women. And I just found some really interesting things in what he said that I applied to my life

and it worked, and I was kind of surprised. and then I saw him kind of sad, and he actually, like, broke out in tears, not even talking about something that would – he wasn't talking about his wife. So it made me think that he had some, you know, I guess, like you said, depression. It's probably right. Or Clonopin withdrawal. Or Clonidonidon independence. All those things can cause mood instabilities.

So we'll see. He's got – and just a stress reaction to the wife's illness. So there's plenty of reasons to be crying. But, you know, I found Jordan Pearson long before everybody else when he was doing a Maps of Meaning series long, long, long time ago. Wow. And because I've always been looking for somebody to bring together psychology and anthropology. And I just came upon him one day years ago. And he kind of was doing that at the time.

Then he got famous when he took on the Canadian government around legally mandated pronouns. Yeah. They still confuses me. Because I'm not a big grammar guy, but it always suggests more than one person. It seems impossible to refer to someone as they and then sort of speak about them in sentences without wild confusion. Confusion, yes, but I'm seeing more and more writings about distilling all this stuff down to they. Awesome. Yeah.

Well, that's a better world. Dan, 40, Virginia. Oh, hey, Ace. Hey, Dr. Drew. How are you? Good. How you doing, Dan? Good. Good. Thank you. So I'm going to live right outside Washington, D.C., and so as you can imagine, I'm right in the middle of all this climate change nonsense. Uh-huh. And this whole Greta thing is extremely confusing to me.

And I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. That's basically it. Is she the 11-year-old? Apparently, she's 16. I guess she's from Sweden, I think. And I guess they flew or she took a boat all the way over here to lecture us on climate change, I guess. Yeah. We talked about this on Monday. Well, also, look, I am a pragmatist by nature. And when you want to start talking about generating power and pollution and who's creating the pollution and global climate change is,

stuff like that, then I go into triple pragmatic mode, which is if, you know, Bald Brian loved once upon a time in Hollywood, Quentin Tarantino's movie. Mike August and I saw it. We did not enjoy it nearly as much as he did. I can have a debate with Bull Brian about it, but it's not really a pragmatic thing. I saw it, and I do feel strongly about it, but it's not a pragmatic thing. If you want to talk about climate change, then I'll, I go into pragmatic mode. First things first.

It's all roads lead to narcissism. We do not and are not responsible for the lion's share of this. We're going to obviously have to get these developing countries, these massive countries. You know, we're going to have to get India and China in other countries, other nations. on board. Otherwise, we who, according to accounts, have been regressing or going sort of neutral in this department, CO2 department, cannot fix other. So, I mean, it's basically we have a street. We're one house on the street, and there's six other houses on the street, and we're talking about going solar, and they're burning mattresses in the backyard.

we can triple down on our solar. If they're not going to stop burning mattresses in the backyard, we're only going to be able to impact the neighborhood or the cul-de-sac to a degree. Now, is it better than going in the backyard and burning mattresses? Yeah, it is. Are we ever really going to fix the cul-de-sac unless we can convince them to get the solar and not burn the mattresses in the backyard? I don't think so.

So, number one, we keep talking about us. You know what I mean? Like, we're going to have to get solar and we're going to have to stop flying private or we're going to start eating less meat or whatever, whatever, us, us, us. You know, 330, 325 million, that's fine. But they're into the billions. Oh, and also, as countries get more wealthy, they're better at creating efficient use of energy. Right.

It's also we're asking them to do something we didn't do. But another example, let me just tell you, in terms of really genuinely being interested in solving the problem. So you heard about the meat problem is the cows, right? Cows produce gas. They don't fart methane. They burp methane. So it turns out it's coming out the front end. It accounts for 4% of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

But that 4% matches air travel, air travel and I think train combined. So it's a significant percentage. So if we want to stop having the cows produce CO2 and we don't want to stop eating meat, and by the way, how horrible for the symbiotic relationship for the cows, all those cows will have to be never born or what our feeling is about that, but whatever. It turns out there is a technology being developed,

includes a use of a seaweed that makes the cows not burp the CO2. Right. And use the plants they eat more efficiently at the same time, so they're creating more meat with what they do eat. and that's going to be the solved for the cow problem. I'm a strong believer in technology and innovation and also, as we talked about it before, we talked about all the doom and gloom from 1979. The notion, you know, stuff, look, we just, on Monday we went through 14 different predictions of a ice age that we live through in the 70s and 80s.

Right. And you're getting these predictions from 1968, 1974. the notion of a cell phone, an iPhone that we all possess now would have been considered sorcery. Oh, man. Wouldn't know what you were talking about. Wouldn't be able to get our head around. Forget about the communication part. How about the calculation part?

Yeah, just a calculator. And the weather. What? No. I mean, sorcery. Yeah. Okay. GPS?

We bet what? Sorcery. Sorcery. Okay. But somebody thought about it. So who the fuck knows what shall be in the next 10 or 20 years? I do count on scientists and engineers and technology to remedy many of these things. And when you look at...

We talked to Neil de Grossey-Ty-Tyson, remember? He said he sees a day soon where we'll be able to dial in the CO2 we want. So the real question we should be asking these people is, what's the temperature it should be? Right. What's the desire temperature? Well, look. Because if you don't know that, how can you know what we're doing? What's the temperature it should be?

When I was growing up, that's a good question. When I was growing up, it was like, oh, this rivers, it's polluted, there's fish floating in the top. And L.A. has 51 smog day, smog alerts every year. We don't really have that anymore. Okay. We figured out a way to clean up the rivers and the rivers. And nature has a way of sort of wanting to restore and heal. and we cleaned up the air. L.A. used to be full of smog. Now, L.A. has almost no smog or much less smog. Okay. I rely on that technology and in the future rely on it as well.

Private enterprise, of course. Well, it was pushed by government, and I'm all from government pushing, you know, them in the right direction, market forces. Right. So as far as Greta Thunberg, the kids don't know shit. I don't know what this, I don't know what this thing, whether it's guns or, or that. And by the way, it's all narcissism because it's all me, me, my future, my me, my future, my future, my future. And then some of them don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It's like an existential threat to our generation and every generation after ours. I'm like, hold on, sweetie. Let me explain how extinction works.

You don't get other generations. I don't think they believe it. It's all narcissists. We had this have rained down. I believed it when I was in college. That's what I was working on that stuff. And we solved the acid rain. We solved the algae blooms in the rivers.

We solved the – there was all this crazy stuff that needed to be solved and we solved it. Dan? Yeah. So I guess really what I was asking – sorry, I should have been much more pointed to my original question is, you know, it seems like we're glorifying these kids. like David's like. Yeah, where the politicians are and CNN is. That's what they do. I think it's destroying a whole generation of kids.

So, you know, people I work with in my job, we have interns that come in. And a lot of what you talk about, Adam, I see it. It drives me crazy. Oh, I can't. Listen, listen, Dan, I was speaking last show about convincing every black person there's a target on their back. It's horrible for the community. convincing everyone under 15 that they're not going to see their 28th birthday, the worst. You're going to have the worst fucking citizens on the planet.

And depressed. And no hierarchy. That's the other thing you. Do you see how pissed off and depressed these kids are? Fucking 16. You're supposed to be trying to get laid and having fun and kicking ass. Like, that's just fucking talking about existential threat. And then blah, blah, blah, blah.

These kids are fucking miserable. I blame their stupid parents, by the way. You know, whenever I hear one of these blowhard celebrities explaining like Charlie Staran is having to explain to her child, they're cities. We can't go to because she's adopted a black. You're ruining your kid. When Sandra Bullock has explained to her adopted black kids like, hey, there's a target on you. But you have to understand what it's like you're ruining your kid. And when 41-year-old professor douche is explained to his 12-year-old, we're going to be underwater in about seven years.

You're ruining your kids' childhood. Narcissist, hero. Please stop. I hope they resent the shit out of you when they're older. And they will be older. And you'll be fucking 96 and laying in your deathbed. And they'll be 61 and smoking and flowing it in your face and going, thanks, fuck, Wad. Just like I get to do with my mom.

I don't think, let's drill down for a little. I don't think parents understand. the incredibly negatively impactful practice of explaining doom and gloom to their kids. It is not your job. Your job is to help them regulate their way through it, not sink into a depression. Remember that movie Life is Beautiful? Where they were in Nazi concentration camps and the dad made the kid believe it was a game, everything is okay, we're going to be fine. You know, that's a little – now you could say that might have been a little excessive too, but it's closer.

to what the job is supposed to be. Do you know how many kids at like my kid's school think we have a president who's a Nazi? Why wouldn't that freak you out if you were 12? Yeah. I think it was a Russian operative. That was Tuesday. Okay, okay. Now it's Thursday.

It's different. Yeah, yeah. Do you know how freaked out? You know, you can say what you want about me and my wife's parenting. But I'll tell you, our kids are happy because I don't tell them shit about anything. I just go like, that guy's a fucking idiot. Just keep walking. Like, I don't tell them anything about Trump being a Nazi or ozone going apart or Black Lives Matter.

It's just like fucking throw the ball, have a good time. If this shit happens, it happens. You fretting about it's not going to do anything. I was listening to a happiness podcast, a researcher on happiness. And she was going, oh, my God, the anxiety, the kids are into college. All the college guys are anxious. Their own second drug inside. And I thought, wow, these are all the kids at Yale.

I wonder how the kids felt hitting the beach in Omaha. Anxiety. They had any anxiety of those kids? They feel unhappy with their lot as they poured out of the amphibious piggins. Yeah, crazy. I just think of that. I thought, wait a minute. We must have it too good right now.

Oh, yeah. Right? We're trying to eat us. They're trying to chew on our hands like a dog or something that is... 100%. You hear those kids talk about the climate rally. They're fucking miserable. Well, and then the climate thing, I can't have sympathetic to all this,

but what's the goal? Again, what's the temperature you want? What is the goal? A lot of these demonstrations for the last three years, that's always my question. I'm like, what's the goal? When we were kids, it was out of Vietnam now. Very clear goal.

All right, let's talk to Rebecca, line five. Rebecca. Hi. Hi. I was going to say, hi, guy, but I don't even know what that's from. Hi, Guy. It's from a commercial in the 60s. You can look good up on YouTube.

I think it's from the 70s. Oh. The 70s, yeah, probably the 70s, yeah. Okay, awesome. Do you know who that was? The actor? No. I have no idea.

I thought it was like a skit that you made up. No, that guy's name is Chuck McCann. Oh. Oh, yes. He died recently. Yeah, he was a pretty famous, like, character actor. Yes, he was. And it was like arid, extra dry.

He ruined the ozone with that stuff. And somebody did that move where they, like, opened the medicine cabinet, and he was on the other side of it. Hi, guy. Oh, my gosh, I love it. Well, here it is. We're doing it right. Hang now.

Here he is right now. Hold on. We're going to play the commercial for you. Opening the cabinet. Who are you? Oh, how are doing, guy? And your neighbor. Didn't they tell you, we share the same medicine, Captain?

The zoo modern apartment. Let me find a better one. It does say hi guy in the title, so I was, sorry, I was misled. There are versions of it. There's a few different ones. All right. Sorry, Rebecca, go ahead. Oh, hey.

Okay, first I want to tell you, I've always loved Dr. Drew since I was like 15. Nice. Healthy. I met him two times, but then my husband loves Adam. And I was, like, shocked, because my husband, doesn't love anybody. And he was like, well, he's a genius. He used to box. And I was like, okay. It's a perfect match, Rebecca. Well done. It's a perfect match. So my question is, so when my son was a baby, he had the bell circumcision. Do you remember that way that they did it was like a plastic bell?

Yeah. I don't. And it was like a short-lived thing because my second son did not have it. Well, It's supposed to come off naturally when it came off. It, like, took off the skin. So it was, like, bleeding profusely. And I'd take him to the hospital. They had to cauterize it. Blah, blah, blah. But now he's 15, and I'm wondering, like, should I tell him?

Do you think that caused damage? Does it look funny? Like, I have no idea. Usually a 15-year-old, if they see anything slightly out of the ordinary, will, like, say they want to see the doctor. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Not necessarily. It's true. The way I think I would work this one is like go, he's got to get a physical for school or for football or something like that. He does that. He does that for football. And then tip off the doctor. Literally. Yeah. Tip off the doctor about the tip off. Say like, you know, and then we have checked the hernia thing and he drops his drawers and just take an extra look.

No, we sometimes we'll check the urethromeda and some things. Do a little check of that. And tip him off. Okay. Can I ask you two more things? Tip off. You said tip off. About the tip off.

Yeah. Okay. So don't tell my son directly, though. Don't tell him. It's not. If he know he's getting a physical and it's in the next several months, I would simply have this conversation with the doctor and tell him to take a little extra look around. That's it.

Okay. Okay. And then also, so I have celiac disease and thyroid disorder. and I've been trying to get swole. I listen to Swole Patrol, all the guys. And nothing's happening. I mean, I guess I'm getting toned, but I'm wondering, is that because I have celiac disease?

You know, everyone has very different biology when it comes to their ability to put on muscle mass. You might want to get one of those fitness gene evaluations and see what's up with you and they can kind of tune into your biology specifically. Some people in order to gain weight and need to eat a ton of one food type or another. And again, with your celiac, it worries me you could trigger that if you go too hard in one direction or another.

And women can't put on – that's why women take steroids to put on muscle mass. That's what happens. But lifting heavy weights and increasing your protein intake, those are your two basic moves. Okay. That's what I try to do. My husband's a football coach, and he put me on like a freshman program, like I'm a freshman. And all the freshmen are already big. and I'm still not big.

Why is that? I mean, why is that your goal? I just want to have big muscles. I just think it looks good. I don't know. I want to be strong. They say once you get like in your 40s and 50s, it's really hard to build muscle,

and I don't want to be weak. I'm all for resistance training. I'm all for it, but you're not going to look like a male in a magazine, who's also on steroids, by the way. It's your ability to develop muscle mass is going to be altered. but you can check your genetics and they can dial in some stuff. I like your motor, Rebecca. Sure there's a very dark downside to it.

But for now it is. Trust me. Oh, no, trust me. Trust you. I just spotted it. That's the other thing is that so I have anxiety, obviously, right? And so with football, for instance, like my husband's a coach, my son's on the team now, and I have these constant questions about like,

what about when they're in the locker room? Like, is them when watching them? Is everything okay? I have, like, the fear for some reason about boys in the locker room. Is that normal? Like, what is it you fear? Sandusky fares?

Yeah, what is it going to happen? I'm scared of, like, the breakfast club when the guy, like, did the tape. And I just feel like boys can be really mean. I don't know. I feel like they're not protected in there. It just makes me nervous. And then my husband is, like,

the total opposite of me. He was like, Rebecca, you need to relax. like I've been doing this for 15 years. I'm like, okay. I would agree with your husband. I mean, that mostly what the guys are doing is enjoying the part of being on a team. I don't know. And I don't know in this day and age.

And there's a lot of ball busting, but the ball busting is part of the fun. And I've heard Adam's stories about like all the weird stuff he used to do. Like shit hit, his shit's head story or. Yeah. It was really borderline abusive. Anything like that? Nothing. Well, first off, I'm literally a millionaire, so obviously I landed on my feet.

I like the way she's traumatized by your stories. Oh, it's so good. Well, I was abused physically by my friends quite often regularly, but I never looked at it as abuse. You know, abuse is in the eye of the beholder. Right. I've never looked. I never looked at myself as a victim or an abuse victim. And that was constantly beaten on it.

And yet there was overt severe abuse of all types. That's true. But I never looked at myself as a victim. As any trauma survivor doesn't, you know, they feel like they deserved it or it was good for them. You know, like every. I just like, look, it is now I'm going to have to pay you back. With some version, whatever version of whatever you just did to me, I have to do it to you. Look, primate males engage in rough and tumble play.

Sometimes it can go too far. That's all. Doesn't mean it's traumatizing or bad. Yeah, this stuff went pretty far. This got into sort of ritualistic abuse. Yeah, but once again, never felt victimized by it. Even when you're sitting in the back seat and somebody brewed into your face? You didn't feel victimized by that?

No. I, peeing on you from the front seat. You couldn't offend me because there's nothing. There's nothing to offend. I was pre-offended. My family offended, you know, I was already done with being offended. There was nothing you could say or do to me that ever got me to feel offended. Or certainly nothing physically.

Well, clearly whatever potential for offense there was was carefully ground out of you. Yeah, it's kind of. interesting notion. I didn't have any thoughts about myself or what what you could do or what anyone else could do to me. There was no, or how I deserved. I didn't have a way that I was treated or deserved to be treated or needed to be treated. I had no expectation level of any kind, of any interaction at any time of any short with anybody that could be strangers. It could be friends. It could be foremen, you know, bosses. I had no thoughts about how anyone ever talked to me, about me or physically did to me.

You weren't easily offended. You didn't adopt the thirst and howl attitude that has been pervasive these days. No, we did a lot of stupid stuff to each other constantly. But that's all, you know, I was telling you a few shows ago, my buddy, Tom, my black buddy, he had a big house in the hills and he had a big swimming pool and he had a diving board. And the diving board extended over the end of the pool. It's a good six feet. And we just get naked.

First. First, you to get clothes off. You have to get naked. Something's so homerotic, too. You get naked. We do it at night. Oh, it's much better. We get naked.

You're giving Rebecca panic attacks right now. She's going to have to go home and take some clotapin. You just get to the end of the diving board, and you get naked. Yeah. And then whoever the next new dude who was up would come up, and they'd come up on that diving board. And you guys would fucking grapple.

You'd go at it. And with it with any of sex. You'd throw whoever into the pool or they'd throw you up into the pool. And you got to stay up there as long as you could stay up there. You were grappling with monsters, though. Yes, they were very strong guys. But I was a very strong grappler. very strong. They had all the muscle, but I had all the balance and all the technique, and it was a nonstop naked boner battle.

It's all we do it all night. That's what we do on Saturday night. It's a new show for NBC, the voter battle. Rebecca. Rebecca, you go okay? I bet your son's doing that right now. I don't like that. I don't like that. You don't like it? Look at me. Look how I turned out. Oh, my God. Winner. I played football.

I didn't get abused. I didn't get abused. I didn't. I had a good time. It was very positive experience. Gary, did you play football high school? No, hockey, but similar. A lot of roughhousing and a lot of stuff in the locker room, but it was good.

It was fun. Even when you were the target, it was camaraderie. Yeah, it was a way of expressing affection. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that. The only thing that scared me is in the most story. The mass shower in a shower in a.

They don't really do that anymore. That big mash shower. You have to look at other people's shronts. I didn't care about that. I was doing nude diving board wrestling for my whole career. Ray would come in with a bar of soap, like a full bar of Irish spring, like a big thing of soap. And when Ray chucked a bar, a full bar of soap. It's like a hockey park.

And Ray would get a running start and chuck it, right? And that thing coming... No, and you were naked. You were naked. Oh, if that hit in the orbital socket, you'd lose an eye. He'd be lashing his ass off. But you'd lose your eyes. Stop, Rebecca dying.

If it hits you in the dick, you'd have to... You'd be praying for that cone and that coterized cone. Is that what he was aiming for? Well, that's the whole thing. If you were in the shower and he's standing, he was holding the fucking thing, he just could run and start and chuck it, and there'd be nine guys, and they'd all be trying to hide behind each other. because whoever that bar, where that bar hit,

he was going to fuck you up. At some point, he busted a bottle of shampoo with like a jagged cap on him. I was trying to ram it up my ass or something. And thank God the fucking coach came in. It was like, Old Hoffer, knock that shit off, like everyone was screaming. What the hell?

What the hell? Wait a minute. Nude wrestling and cramming things up each other's ass. Well, it's more like just, you know, trying to jamming the ass with this broken shampoo bottle. Oh, my God. Life in the big city. So until next time, I have a girl for Dr. Roussein.

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