The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #1214: Extinction Illness

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

January 12, 2020 - Adam and Dr. Drew open the show discussing things that have gone out of style and how those are juxtaposed against things that have left our society as a result of technological advances. They also discuss the addiction that our children have to screens and the negative impact that is having on our youth before transitioning into a conversation about climate change and the reluctance that some have to learning from their experiences. They then turn to the phones and speak to a caller who is looking for advice on his mother and the agitation she is experiencing.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Well, time for episode 1214 from January 2020, which seems like just yesterday. We discussed how things have gone out of style and how those are juxtaposed against things that have left our society as a result of technological advances. We look at the addiction that children have to screens. We're just starting to get that into focus. And then we talk about climate change and the reluctance that some have to learn from their experiences. God knows, I was an advocate for many years. Then we go to the phones and speak to a caller who's looking for advice on his mother and her agitation. Enjoy January 12, 2020, Extinction Illness.

Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board-certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on a bit, but-da-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bid-bub-dda-bub-swoo. That's Dr. Drew's over there, man. He's a specialist. And, you know what I mean?

I'm an age man, man. I'm about dropping trap. I want to thank 8Sleep.com slash love and betd-d-si.com, promo code Adam 1-1. And LifeLock, promo code Adam for sponsoring the show yesterday. You know what's interesting about this book? I left in your workspace accidentally. It's his daughter was the one that was doing the guy to get it on routine when she was coming out of dental anesthesia. Do you remember this years ago?

I do. Yes. I know how we would find that again, Carrie. I think it's on YouTube, but... Somebody played us... When they were popular, the kids coming out of anesthesia or dental surgery.

Exactly. Yeah. And she was going, you know, I get on. And in my mind, every time you do the new version of that, I think of her.

Because she sounded a lot like that. It's showing us an author who wrote a book and it's his daughter. Yeah, Maurice Bernard, who I'm going to have on my pod soon. All right. He was an actor and a soap opera? Daytime actor.

Yeah. I was thinking, I don't know who I was talking to about the other day, but it's like no more daytime, no more daytime TV, like that kind of TV anymore, right? Soap operas. Yeah. So cold. Well, you know, I think people think that certain things, I think they think, well, this was in vogue and now it's not in vogue. And there are certain things that go out of style. Right.

But there are other things that become antiquated because of essentially... They go extinct. They go extinct, but they go extinct not because they're old-timey, but because everything around it has grown so much to the degree that there's just no room for that anymore. The rest of the world has moved on, like past it. Well, you know, it's like we always used to say. Um, when I was growing up, the Dukes of Hazard did 40 million views and the population in the United States was 241 million people, you know what I mean? Or maybe it was 233.

I mean, there's literally 100 million more people now and they were doing 40 million. A big piece of the country was all together on these things. But but but the Dukes of Hazard today would do nothing. I wouldn't happen today. Wouldn't happen and if it did it would do nothing. Now it's not that we fell out of favor with that genre or anything. We didn't we don't like orange whatever that was, roadwaters. Well how what's that called?

Challenger or charger. I always, once it's, you know, it's Andrea and Andre or whatever once, I've toggled back and forth a charger. Yeah, a challenger. I could drive me nuts. Anyway, here's my point. School cafeteria pizza or the bad food that we grew up with, fish sticks day. They'd have like fish sticks day, that pizza day, the corn dog day, whatever. That was a 100% sell through at Colfax Elementary.

But if you introduced in an out burger in Chick-fil-A, it would be zero. Right. It wouldn't be, oh, now it's down to 61%. No, it would be zero. Right. So that's where we're at. Yeah. That's what happened with daytime.

That's a great analogy because nobody, nobody would choose one over that. You know, choose the... Right. So you go from 100% to what would be less than zero for what? Because of choice? Just simply because of choice. So what we're saying is, are we saying, though, that the choices are so much, that's mine. I'll give you one.

You need a piece of paper? Yeah, here you go. Sorry. I think so much. What we're saying is that the quality of what's going on has become so much more superior has left that behind? Yeah. I do. Yeah.

I do. Yeah. Listen, when my kids, I used to try to get my kids to watch Gilligan's Island, just to get their thoughts. Right. No. No. Not watching. Like, what, why?

No. What is wrong with you? Yeah. So here's some topics to bring up for you, Drew, that I've been thinking about today. All right. By the way, you see Tom Hanks on the Love Boat at the Golden Gloves? I think we've got a trend going here. Love Boats making a resurgence.

Oh, I hope so. His opening montage for his Cecil B. DeMille Award at the Golden Globes, his opening sequence starts with him on the Love Boat. Right. So what do you got? I was hearing a story. and it was, you know, teenage suicide is up and suicide, suicide, young people suicide, and blah, blah, blah. I was also hearing that Jane Fonda was on Colbert and she was talking about this, you know, sort of end of the world disorder that, not a disorder, but that people were suffering from an illness that was based on the world ending. you know, you're taking young people.

What? And she was talking about, not a physiological illness, but a syndrome, so to speak. So the state of affairs in the world is so dire that young people are getting sick from it. Is that the theory? Well, they're not getting bronchitis, but they're having consequences. Spiritual crises. Well, look, if you told, look no further than this. My kids are 13 years old.

If I said to them, hey, you're not going to see your 25th birthday because I planted an explosive chip in your brainstep. Right. They'd be bummed out for that period of time. Correct. Okay. So what's the difference between that and drowning? Right. You know what I mean?

Like you're telling these people, they're not, you're saying the world has, we have 12 years left or maybe. be 11 and you expect the 12 and 13 year olds and 9 year olds not to be bummed out or not to have a way of objectively evaluate what you're saying that's the other thing they just accept well they accept it and now there's a syndrome because look what's the difference between the explosive device in the brain stem that's not going to let them see their 25th birthday and yet why didn't we suffer from the same thing when we were being told every day there was going to be a nuclear holocaust i'd say there's probably a few pieces to that.

One is... Because we were told that, right? Well, there were certainly a lot of discussion about nukes and... I don't know about you, but I had bomb practices. A air raid siren went off. We had to go in the basement of the school and put our hands over our heads. This was the 60s. The basement of our school was called a desk.

Not only... It's funny, the desk, if you think about the desk, climbing under the desk like a little John John Kennedy in the Oval Office, that could afford some protection. The school desk was a miniature nothing. Really, I mean, the thing, the thing was, you know, 11 square inches of thin plywood. Like, you want to talk about the worst desk ever to climb under it? It's got a fucking book holder under it. And it would fall over on you.

What happened? Well, we lost some kids to the nuclear blast, but most of them were lost to the deal. desk. The desk fell over and crushed many of them. Oh, my God. I never even thought about, this is not, you know, this is, this is not, the desk you'd want to get under is the desk at the guy with the corner office and the captain of industry. That guy had a big mahogany thing and two big sides, you know what I mean? This, what, what protection could a school desk do? Some shards of glass wouldn't hit you directly maybe? It's about it. Good luck fitting your entire person under a school desk. There'd be a lot of you.

hanging out. So we didn't have a basement. We had a miniature desk. We had to practice crawling under the desk. Did you have the air raid sirens go and everything? Yeah, I remember the air raid sirens. And, you know, it just goes to show you we're, we're, we're, we're, we're dumb then as we are now. But anyway, of course, if you keep telling kids, all right, so let's circle back. Yeah. Why didn't it bother me and you or affect you and I? the way it would affect you or I. Maybe. I have, well, would you like me to answer the question?

Go ahead. Yes, yes, sure. Okay. One, this is a saturation versus a dipping, a dusting. It would come up, but it wasn't, we weren't saturated. We weren't inundated with it. Every politician wasn't banging on it, like, constantly. You know, it wasn't.

We didn't have the kinds of media drain. There was no way for the media to reach us like that. Right. You couldn't be reached. You didn't have your phone. Yeah. You'd have long patches of time when you're just out on your bike trying to ride a pop a wheelie and do this and that and go catch a critter by the creek or whatever. And you just couldn't be hit with it.

Yep. So you had long respites of areas where you weren't being inundated with it. What kind of creeks where you're finding? I go down to Sepulveda Basin. Okay. Kind of a critter. Spolvita Basin, the flood basin, had a whole mark. and everything down there.

We just go trounce around. Crazy. Yeah. Right of your story. I didn't know. Interesting. Yeah, it was spent a lot. I had two friends.

Now imagine what is in that marsh. I had two friends, Rob and Brandt. I've never brought these guys up to you. They didn't go to my school or whatever, but they lived kind of by there. And we'd go there, and we'd just go to the subpold of basin. It was just marsh. Wow. Just throw your bike down and just sort of stomp around.

Look for something. Ride your bike through it. You know, that's all we did all day. Here's another thought that might be a little heavier for you, Drew. Here we go. Preemptive sniff? Preemptive sniff. I think there's a psychological difference between what the Soviets are doing or may do to us,

which is almost even hard to imagine back then who these people were and how far away they were, this crazy distant land. now it's a self-inflicted wound. We're doing it to ourselves. We're doing it to us, which now adds a steeper component to it. I would agree, and there's another layer to it, too, which the press is telling you it's your parents' fault, it's your family's fault. It's our fault. Whatever.

Well, but. Yeah, it's not, no, it's not the 11-year-old's fault. No. It's their parents. Yeah. Right. So the psychological, there's more of a psychological damage in a self-inflicted wound than some regime that's a million mile.

away. But let's be fair. What you're saying is not anything except that the screens are the problem. That's really the problem. The screens. The phones. The phones. The time spent on the screens where that shit can rain down on them. And I have friends that are psychologists that are working now in the problem of the screens, the digital problem. And they will not let their kids spend more than an hour a day on them. And China just passed a law limiting it to two hours a day. Oh, China passed a law? A law. For a for, for, you know, For anybody under 18, I believe it is. Check to me on this, Gary.

Two hours a day. And I was talking to... But wait a minute. Except because they're in the Apple sweatshop and they don't want them playing up. Playing Candy Crush. But I did... I was talking to a psychologist yesterday. He went, oh, my God, China is going to zoom ahead of us now in terms of their mental health and their cognitive progress.

Because this is the problem. Wow. Under the new measure, children under the age of 18 are banned from playing games online between 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. and restricted to 90 minutes of playing time on weekdays. Wow. What about what was the Jane Fonda thing on Cobre? What did she call it? You can find it.

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Maxa-Pata may have found it. I've telling him to look for it. I'm watching the Fonda thing. What she's calling it. I'm watching through it right now. I'll go ask. I'm also very fascinated, as you guys have heard me, brought up before. I think about it as it pertains to Jane Fonda and or certain family members.

I don't know how you can bring this stuff into your 80s. I find it unthinkable. That she's still so politically active? Well, yeah, I don't mean politically active. Like, you know, I get Jane Goodall. She liked chimps when she was 14 and she likes chimps at 84. Right. That seems to be consistent.

This thing where, you know, first it's the Viet Cong who we need to sidle up to, and now we're going against corporate. I mean, this sort of fluid thing of just sort of, I mean, I know she hates her dad, so that's just how it works. That is bottom line. And she now kind of talks about that, too, a little bit. Who knew? Oh, wait a minute. I know, because I know everything, because that's a hatred of your dad. The reason it's a hatred.

What Jane Goodall does is wildly consistent. She likes chimps. That's what she does. What Jane Fonda does, the tale of two Jains, is she just fights against anything that appears to be the man. Right. Or her dad. But yet she fast.

Jane Fonda fascinates me. Oh, I'd interview her. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Mm-hmm. All right. Here she is. Talking about this thing, this condition.

Mm-hmm. If Gary has it, Pam. I'm now with these young students, and they're scared. and there and a lot of young people you know i've spent a lot of time now with these young students and they're scared and and there and a lot of young people are even suffering from they're calling it extinction illness and i just felt i wasn't doing enough and the scientists were saying we have 10 years and before it's going to go so far over the cliff that there's no turning back we'll just the environment and climate will unravel and there's not

I think we can do. And so I said, okay, I'm going to, I'm famous. I have a platform. I'm going to. Now, I don't know any legitimate client scientists that are saying that. The scientists say it, though. Yeah. But here's what I do not understand about the Jane Fonda's of the world.

Okay. Jane Fonda is essentially the same age, a little bit younger than my mom. Yeah. they were making this claim 51 years ago. Oh, no. They said there was going to be an ice age 51 years ago. Either way, we were going to this point where we're going to be extinct. Yes, they don't learn.

Is that what it is? They just do not learn. They like their position, the effect, the feeling, the process. It's not a learning thing. Well, let's drill down. Yeah, man. Let's drill down. Extinction illness.

That's what she calls it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, they don't learn. That's what's fascinating. I'm now fascinated by you, Drew. Oh. I, now, you tell me, I marvel at people's sort of inability to go, hey, good idea.

Oh, you're right. Or, oh, I'm going to do that now. It's incredible to me. I didn't know what that was. My whole life is built on that. Yes. Now, you know, I say, all roads lead to narcissism. Yeah.

It's just another tentacle of the octopus of narcissism. It has to be. Narcupsie. Narcissi. It is, right? Like, where you're just going, I won't learn, I won't listen to you, I won't learn from my experiences. I'm standing here with a straight face talking about something I said was going to happen

40 years ago. It's never happened and I'm still out there. They say 10 years from now. They say 10 years from now that we're just going to go past. Well, they said that 10 years ago, to be fair. And then 10 years before that. Yeah. I mean, why can't you learn from things?

It's got to be narcissism. Oh, at the core, of course. But the more interesting thing is the lack of learning. I find that fascinating. And I blame how people are educated. I don't. If you don't, if you're not educated to evaluate objectively every, you know, evidence, evidence, take the evidence, evaluate it, evaluated carefully, objectively.

And people aren't accustomed to doing that. They just take things, they take the narratives, and they grab them. I, yes, I agree, but I also think this is a little more internal and less external. The feeling state that they get as a result of that, highly rewarding, highly rewarding, which is, first of all, listen to me. Right. Listen to me. Secondly, a grandiose posture vis-a-vis the world. I am declaring extinction of human being.

I'm unc declaring it because it's me. And man, I'm going to save us from that too. Right. Does that feel good? Right. So here we go. And by the way, I'm going to save you from the Vietnam War because that was going to extinguish us.

I'm going to save you from what was it in the 70s? What do we call it? We had names for these things then. Well, ecology. Ecology. Yeah. Ecology. And I thought ecology.

Then I went and studied ecology. because I was so into it, and I came home and I declared to my parents after my first year of college that it was done. We were done. I sat on a – I remember exactly where I was sitting, and I said, I'm sorry. I've learned it. First of all, we're out of fossil fuels. We're done. Right.

And things are going to collapse. Economy is going to collapse since the fossil fuels go away. Oh, you guys – by the way, you have no idea how much we're going to be out of fuel by 1990. 90? That was way out of the future. If we made it's a 90, 1980. We're going to be done. Every bit from the ground, it shall be dry. There will be no more.

And here's how it went. That was the discussion over and over again. And here's how I approach it. Adam, is there a finite source of oil on the ground? Or is it infinite or infinite? It's finite. How close we are being done with it? How much have we?

We're almost done. We're 98% done. And that's it. Once it's done, it's done. There's no more. Period. That's it. That's it.

It's coming in about, let's see, at the rate of the oil, but there's about three years. About three years, we're into it. That was it. Now. And why my parents blew me off? I'll never know. What nobody knew is not only would we be not out of it, we wouldn't need to import it anymore from OPEC nations. We'd be able to have enough produced here.

Well, then I would declare it's a good thing because we're going to because we are choking off the rivers and we've got to break down the dams because the fish. right so choking off the rivers with the algae blooms acid rain is going to destroy agriculture so famine famine next month next month famine and internationally because we've overpopulated the globe massive famine there was a big zero population situation too like you can't have kids yeah in China they did it you kids they made it one child going on it's been going on my entire adult life or my entire life now the only difference between me and james Fonda is, I've heard it all before, so I tend not to believe it. She is ratcheting her game up, which I don't...

Well, because she's going to be gone soon, and she has to get this fully... She has to save the world before she's gone. Because that's her calling, right? This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp, and the new year doesn't need necessarily a new you. It just needs an unencumbered you. Everyone needs some assistance, and certainly I do. I've used mental health services for me and my family forever, and Better

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You can find, well, it's interesting. I'm not done. Drew's not done. Well, I got a couple calls here. Find Rose McGowan's Twitter bio. because when you were talking about it was it was uh it was uh jane fonda's job to save us yeah basically uh jose mcgallan actress and activist uh her twitter bio states i am here to help society be better i'm so glad she's there that's what's i'm saying i've told you it's i said to

Max Pett. I said, it's all narcissism. And they said, this activism is narcissism. And then he said, I think he coined the phrase, Narcivist, which is all these people. This is what I'm saying is, Alyssa Milano lives in Beverly Hills. Jane Goodall lived in a jungle. Yeah.

I like her big Twitter header picture behind her little avatar. Brave. Brave. Right. So here's my thing. mother teresa lived in calcutta they live in palace verdies saying if this is your thing go live it remember living your truth yeah you're just announcing it all the time yes you're going back to your mansion and they wonder why authenticity is challenging for them right

all right so I want to talk to line three yeah uh Josh 44 Albany New York or Albany How are you guys? Albany, right? Albany, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Albany, New York. How are you? Mm-hmm.

State Capitol. Mm. Yes. What's going on? So I got a problem. Well, actually, it's my mother that has the problem. She's been experiencing what doctors have been calling seizures. Okay.

Where she'll be vomiting and having extreme diarrhea. She won't ever go into like a typical seizure where she's rocking and rolling on the ground. but she'll get, you know, kind of out of it where she can talk, but she doesn't make any sense. Okay, so she's having what's called partial complex seizures, okay? Yeah, you know, she'll get really agitated and completely unlike herself. Okay. The old lady just goes nuts. We were in the hospital last week.

I showed up and she started screaming for the cops to get me out of there. Okay. And she's how old? 68. Is she drinking? No, heavy pot smoker? Heavy pot. And has she had a complete neurological evaluation?

Other than the seizures, do they think that's something underlying going on? She was, when she was younger, she was a heroin addict. She was in a state mental hospital for about a year. When they existed. Where she was severely abused, raped multiple times. So she has a phobia. of being a hospital. She's going outpatient tomorrow for her first neurological appointment. All right. Well, the seizure is a symptom. They've got to find out why she's having seizures.

And they're partial complex seizures, which are kind of unusual. I'm going to bet this has something related to her heroin days. And one of the things that can happen with heroin users, they get lots of small strokes sometimes. And they can get this sort of multi-infarct picture. And that kind of sounds like what's going on here. Josh, what was it like being raised by this one? if, in fact, you're probably raised by your grandparents? No, no. She was, you know, when I was born, she was 23. She had been off heroin for quite a few years.

But, you know, we had a great child that she was a sweet little old hippie lady. My dad was an ex-marine, so it was a fun life growing up. Interesting. My dad passed away of Louis-Body dementia a year and a half ago. And that's when these started. All right. You know what that looks like, right? You know how miserable that is.

And I imagine... Oh, yeah. Yeah. And this is what you're describing with your mom is something much more indolent and not so dramatic, like a Louiebody. What's a Louis body? Louis body is what Robin Williams had. Oh. A lot of hallucinations and misery.

Oh, it's terrible. And confusion. And the weed is not helping. Although I know weed does have some anti-seizure properties in animals. It has been showed to lower seizure thresholds in certain situations. And so that may be part of the... issue here. But it's not the whole story. So she needs, she needs proper neurological evaluation here. Something's not right. And I'm, you know, why not she had a, you know, a bad addiction

that's associated with neurological problems. Let's expect that something's going to be hooked up there. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Good luck, Josh. That's rough. Appreciate all your work. Two parents, both parents with neurological disease. Is how horrible that is? Yeah. And I was expecting he was going to tell us he had a horrific childhood. but she cleaned up out of her system. Yeah. Very interesting. There's a lot more of that story than he knows,

this idea of multiple rapes and abuse and stuff. I'm fascinated to know what really went down with her. And not that this experience was good, just what really happened. What do you mean? I don't want to diminish her experience at all, but a lot of the things that happen. How about you live your truth as it pertains to her experience?

Right. And I'd love to see the records of what was recorded and what was actually happening. And I'm sure something bad did happen. Don't get me wrong. But I'm curious on what was really going on with her at the time. LifeLock, everybody. Over 26 million people have their DNA in the four major testing providers databases. These are vulnerable like any company.

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He had Louis-Bondi dementia. It is a devastating illness. and I don't know why that story just doesn't like any story narratives out there they just don't stick the truth doesn't stick for some weird reason well it does it the truth would stick if it was going straight to the canvas but it has to adhere to what it's already been painted on the canvas the lies the acrylic lies but that's weird to me well it's not to me like if it's if somebody if it sort of if it sort of gets out of the gate is how did this airplane crash and somebody says mechanical failure. It's a design with the Boeing, whatever, whatever, and it just spreads around and that becomes it. And then six months later, the NTSB thing comes out. It's like pilot error.

It's too late. We've already signed off. Yeah. You know, it's like Matthew Shepard was killed by anti-gay, you know, gay, whatever. It's like, yeah, but then there's, that's not what happened. But that's our story. Yeah. You know, the kid jumped off.

He committed suicide because his roommate was a gay basher. And it's like, that's not what happened. But we're done. We're moving on. Yeah. That's the way it works. We take the dramatic, you know. Michael Brown was shot in the back by that white police cop when he had his hands up and he was walking away.

Like, okay, that's not what happened. But that's how it goes down. And that's the media's fault. It is. Screens, again. Screens are poison. Well, if what was coming through the screens had something to do with what happened, be a bigger, or if they weren't, if the media wasn't going full dramatic all the time and full narrative all the time, then what was coming through the screens would just be what happened. I literally look at the stories that come through on almost everything and I go, God, I wonder what the truth is.

Like, here's a great example of it for me. The Australia fires. Oh. It looks like the entire continent of Australia is on fire. Yet, I have tons of Australian friends. I've been talked on there like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of brush fires. You talk to people in Australia, and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you live, if you live certain parts of the outback. Also, what they're not talking about is they've caught tons of arsonists.

Oh, there's like 20-something arsonists are starting fires. It's not just the climate man. Well, maybe it's easier for arsonists to work in that climate. Pardon the pun. All right. You can check out Milwaukee. That's coming up to PAPS Theater, January 24th, doing stand up there, and then January 25th. Chicago, Park West, beautiful, beautiful venue.

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