The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #155: Jules Dash, Pt. 1

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Ontario. Welcome everybody to this throwback episode. It's from June 2014. We discuss Adam's recent NPR interview. We get some thoughts about what it is in terms of our experience performing on stage, both together and individually. And this one is entitled Jules Dash. If you remember that character, well, that makes an appearance. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and Board Certified Physician and Addiction Medicine Specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Not to get it on.

No choice but to get it on mandate. Get it on. Thank you so much for tuning into the program. Thanks for supporting the program. Thanks for subscribing via the PayPal button. Keeps the lights on over here. Chris Max Appata. He's got to get that butcher's wax in his hair, and that shit ain't free.

He's looking good today. I know what is that? I noticed that, too. He's looking like a little... He's shaved? A little Ricky. Remember the little Ricky? Yeah, yeah.

Is it more hair or less hair he's got? I can't figure that out. On the head? It's better hair. Less hair. Actually, less hair everywhere, yeah. Less on the face, that's for sure. It is little Ricky Ricardo is what he looks like today.

Yeah, he has a happy life. Mm. I guess. Is he still around? Yeah. Okay. When Drew gives that answer, there's some sort of, I know something about rehab that I can't share. Yeah, yeah.

I've seen them a few times. Yeah. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thank you for supporting us via the Amazon link. Adam and Dr. Drew Show.com. Also, Long Beach live show, second show added, first show sold out. so and um treasure island coming up uh i want to do treasure i with you one of these days i really do okay well come on out yeah i mean uh i don't know who's on but you can come on out um president

me if you'd like your book jacket sign you can just send it in it's on amazon and you know bookmark and all that now speaking of that so i had an interesting uh i've been thinking a lot Dr. Wow. And so I'm just finishing up this Paul Newman documentary, and I just decided to take myself out of it. So it looked. Now, the reason I took myself out of it because I wanted it to be a documentary, like a theatrical documentary, and I didn't want the stigma slash stink of me on it.

And if you think I'm being paranoid, I made a movie. that's, you know, certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes. It's funny. It's sitting at 80% with the critics and the top critics. It's the same number. It's an interesting thing. I don't like to talk about myself. But it got Sports Illustrated Best Movie of, you know, sports movie like 07 or something,

was turned down by Sundance because the guy said he wasn't a fan. So my name on something is not helping a project, me being in something. And as a matter of fact, I said, to, I said to Lynette, not only is this thing going to be better with me out of it, physically not in it, the problem with it is, is it has my name on the front of it. And then I just pause and I said, it should be brought to you by Jules Dash. And she said, who's Jules Dash? And I said, a made up character that sounds cool that would make documentaries that could get into Sundance.

You should do that. See what happened. And then she said, but. wait a minute. Is Jules Dash a man or a woman? I said, exactly. We don't know, do we? It's perfect. That's why it's perfect. It's diabolical. I said, see what happens. Do it? Listen, first off, I said, I would love to fucking take this movie out and have it reviewed. One says, brought to you by Adam Carolla, produced by Adam Carolla, directed by Adam Carolla, written by Adam Carole. And the other will say a Jules Dash joint. And then we'll see how the review. pour in on the exact same product it's a brilliant idea and then we'll do a little documentary about that right so uh my new uh new filmmaking name is jules dash awesome and then people start buzzing oh he's a i mean she's a i mean i've worked with her i mean him i mean

they're awesome i mean jules is a fucking genius jules this frenchman from lebanon that's right a genius so um this is uh lebanese parisian spawned by a, I got the newspaper sent to me, Matt Fondolier, asked for the New York Times bestseller list so he can have it and scrapbook it. And then I realized, you know, President Me, this will be the third one in a row on the New York Times bestseller list, not reviewed anywhere. You know, it's weird. I had the same experience. Both my books didn't do as well as yours, but they're not.

They're both bestsellers, briefly, and tried to get the one, the cracked, reviewed by a New York Times book review. We don't, we don't review books written by celebrities. Well, they do. I know they do. Of course they do. Of course they do. In the comedy department, fond of lyr will tell us, but, I mean, they reviewed a bunch of comedy books, just not mine. And then I thought, geez, that's queer.

here you go, the third New York Times bestseller in the row and zero reviews. Maybe if Jules wrote it. Oh, man. Jules Dash wrote it. There'd be a buzz. Now then I thought, oh, well, there was one kind of review before it came out that was in variety or whatever that, no, entertainment weekly. Gary L. Tell us, I can't remember the Vanity Fair, whatever it was. that was the bullseye of things and not a thing, and they've decided it was not a thing.

But before it came out, that was, I might, my monitor's not on. Oh, now it's, now it's on. But either way, that was Esquire. So there was, the one review I'm aware of was the one that came out a week before the book came out. It came out before they read the book. They just made a graph of, it was a bull's eye, was things that were. thing and as you got toward the outside things that were not it wasn't even misses it's just not anything yeah uh this one was as far out this wasn't on the bolton board it would have been

on the wall that the bolton board was hang on it was a new york times bestseller but it was not a thing to them it's so the journalism is sort of running amok journalism or whatever it is me uh and then i didn't tell you the uh right media journalist is not the right i didn't tell you the end of the npr story I told you, I went in there and busted their chops because they tried to ambush me. Then they lied and said, we're not airing it because we're in the midst of one of our pledge drives, which is. They have no radio during the pledge drive? Zero?

Well, they're... They're always in a pleasure drive, first of all. John Waters did his book three weeks after mine, and then they aired it that day. Yeah. So they're airing authors. God, if only Jules had written this one. It'd be nice. They're lying.

The thing that's interesting about the folks from NPR, it's interesting that they lie. Because that's, you know, there's a lot of things. There's tenants they have, you know, and one of them is not lying. I mean, one of them is about, hey, transparency. You've got to be wide open. And who was it that you were talking to? It could have been some intern or something just blowing you off? No, it was somebody who was higher up on the bullshit lying scale.

The intern couldn't have come up with that. This was somebody who just flat out lied and said, no, no, we're not. The reason we didn't air his interview on our NPR station I did out in New York is because we're doing a pledge drive, which is it's called a lie. It's not stretching the truth. And the reason we know it's a lie is because then after a month, more than a month had gone by, and we contacted them again and said, what's up? Like, when are you going to air this thing?

They said, well, we're not going to air it. That's how you know. The pledge drives a lot. By the way, isn't there some public funding for these guys? Mostly. Mostly public funding, so they just do what they want to do. And if they disagree with you, they don't air their interview. And then their excuse was the interview didn't come out very well.

Well, remind people what went on. I went in there and they interviewed me, like everyone interviews me, but at a certain point, they did an ambush sort of move where they played a clip from my podcast of Joe Coy doing sort of a stereotypical Asian character and tried to do a gotcha moment. And I said, well, nice try, but that wasn't me. That was Joe Coy talking. He's an Asian guy. And he's Asian. And they sort of grunted and said, well, I guess that's better. But their gotcha moment turned out to be a gotcha for them and their shitty journalism.

And I basically said, you know, I appreciate the ambush, but it didn't work. Now they have a choice. Do you edit that and air it? Well, no. That shows you have no scruples and that you're, that's biased journalism and blah, blah, blah. So you can't edit it in errant. Well, now what are your choices? air it in its entirety and make you guys look like what you are, quite frankly, or don't air it at all.

A fucking 25-minute interview that I drove across town to do, not going to get aired at all. And their excuse was that... Didn't go very well? Well, it didn't go very well and they didn't prepare. What I said was, oh, fuck yes, you prepared. You prepared a fuck of a lot more than anyone else prepares. no one else plays me clips from my podcast when I do an interview with them. And I've done thousands, thousands, not hundreds, thousands of radio interviews.

I wish they'd play clips from my podcast. They don't. I do Kevin Bean every fucking Wednesday. They don't play clips from my podcast. I do everybody's show, podcast, radio show, on all different stations up and down to dial, from, you know, crazy FM talk to conservative. AM talk. Nobody plays a clip from my show. So I would argue that you prepared all right. You overprepared. You pulled through hours of doc. Not about lack of preparation. No, you prepared

to make me look like a racist. And when it backfired, you guys did not have the fortitude or the dignity to air it. So when it looks bad for me, you air it. When it looks bad for you, you don't have the conviction or the courage. I mean, by the way, you're duplicitous and you're cowards. You talk about truth. You never stop beating that drum. It's all about transparency. Who is the reporter, remember?

Until it makes you look bad. And then, not so much. Ooh, we lost the tape. And in this case, he literally just said, we're not airing it. Whose decision is that? Do you just get to say we're not going to air something? You guys are publicly funded. Just not going to air it because you didn't like the way it sounded?

Then why don't you say to them, fine, well, let's do it again. Oh, they said let's do it again. And then bring this all up. Bring this all up at the next interview. See what happened. I was in the fucking middle of Manhattan doing this thing. I don't know when the next time I'm going to New York. Yes, I could phone it in it.

Passina does it. You can go to PCC. They have NPR there. it's not the same show it's not the same guy look I don't think they would take me up on it

which show was it I don't remember the fucking guy's name can you look it up Gary we'll find it point this is all right Matt Brian Lair we can no one's heard of him

well I listen to a lot of NPR just what the show is hey can I'm trying to be more Corolla like in my powers of observation mm-hmm the Brian Lairer show I don't know

All right. That I don't listen to it. Well, thanks for asking, dude. Well, no, that means what I asked because I thought maybe you could go on one of the more popular shows on NPR that it recorded here. That's all I'm saying. Call me Jules. It will go as Jules. Is there something different about your coffee today?

What is it? It's got too much milk in it. Is that what that is? The ratio. I literally was like, oh, it looks like a, it's in a different cup. The different color is different. I grabbed a different cup, but it's got. It looks like somebody else's.

coffee it's not yours it's the strangest fucking thing i i i over splashed yeah takes a big man to admit when he's wrong with the milk and what i'll do is i'll even it out by dumping just some more black in there at some point thin thin the herd but isn't that funny that that is not your cup and that wasn't your coffee well weird first off everything here's mine no i understand but it's pat his hair is mine it's here yes i own all this shit i understand but you know i'm getting that is that weird how you just we have habits and stuff and this struck me like, oh, what's coffee? Yeah, you should make a TV movie about it. Maybe you've changed a little bit.

Maybe the way you approach. True. I grabbed one of my coffee mugs. It's not the one you normally see me bring from home. I grabbed one from my kitchenette and I put a little too much milk in it. Well, I think I noticed it because I was thinking about you on the way in this morning. Not in the way in. As you entered the building, when you yelled at the smokers outside to empty the ashtray.

And I thought, wow, it must be tough to go through life picking up on every little thing like that and feeling it so deeply. Well, the first thing I did it struck me. I was like, oh, whoa, it had energy, too. It was like, I'm one of you smokers, dump the ashtray. The first thing I had to do was tell Dawson to quit hawking oyster-esque loogies all over the blacktop in that one area where people walk. of an interesting sort of what I would call a tell perhaps because there's a shrub that's three feet away that he could hawk his loogies into but it said he would hawk them in a sort of like he was marking his territory like in a circular fashion a full four feet away from the front door but these were mucousy slippery lugies on a blacktop that he would just hawk in a sort of a circle around him. seems weird that you don't get up and just talk it into the planter, which is very conveniently located next to your throat.

But that was the first one. I had to say, stop it. And then at a certain point, I had to say, stop throwing the cigarette butts. I'll find a, get an ashtray and just put them in the cigarette, put the cigarette butts in the ashtray. But then they started overflowing. So, but Gary said there's a couple of smokers around here, and there's a miniature ashtray

and Gary said it gets emptied every day and I thought So you guys had a whole full conversation about this No I let it go with that I was fine with that Although I showed up this morning and it was full So I don't know who was smoking This morning

But either way They take care of their own over there Has Dawson stopped at the circle of Lugies Yeah he definitely doesn't go on the blacktop anymore It goes towards the planner Circle of Lug Toward the planner Yeah he's good

He gets it in the planner. Okay. 85 plus percent. Interesting that we needed to have that conversation, though, right? I remember that conversation. It seemed awkward to me. Uncomfortable? It seemed unnecessary.

Yeah. It was wildly uncomfortable. Wildly uncomfortable. More or less uncomfortable than the time I walked in and my pillow had been removed from my sofa. Less. And set on the floor so that Brian's dog could have a place. to rest. Drew.

Yes. In the pantheon of blind narcissism. Not in a bad way, but just out of it narcissism. In the pantheon. Hawking Lugies all over the blacktop sort of where people enter the building. I would say, yeah, yes. taking a pillow off of the sofa, putting it on the floor and putting your dog on top of that pillow. Yeah.

Or taking the cup that I use for my sparklets bottle that I set on top that says don't touch on it inverted so I can put it upside down, filling it full of sparklets water, putting on the floor in my garage and having your dog drink out of it and then leaving. How would you rank those three? And what if your kids ever engaged in one of those activities? Killed by a hobo? Like, what would you do? I'd hire a hobo to kill them? Yeah, yeah. Where does this rank?

Well, you asked about blind narcissism. I mean, it's sort of out of it narcissism? No, none of the three individuals I speak of are bad people by any stretch of the imagination. I get it. It's just something happened along the way. Yes. in their rearing where they decided this was okay because it was them. Okay.

So that's blind narcissism. Because they're sort of profound, assertive narcissism, like real hardcore, like, hey, man, it's me. So I'm doing these things. Hang on, which would be the do not touch glass, as opposed to out of it narcissism, where I sort of excrete body fluids where the fuck I feel like it. Yeah. Because I'm just out of it, and I don't really realize I'm having body fluids. fluids come out of me and hey man I'm here and that's where they're going right you know what I'm

saying so I give the oysters the the the out-of-it narcissism award so you give the the glass the real nor bonafide narcissism with the dog drinking out of it bonafide and then left by the way to be discovered by me I argue the power rankings is Brian taking the pillow putting on the floor and putting his dog on top of the pillow yeah yeah yeah which he stands by yeah yeah to some degree well that's why it's always always more awkward with Brian because Dawson will just go, no problem, boss. Yeah, because out of it, and you alerted him to something that he was not aware of. So that's kind of an out-of-it narcissism, which is which we're ranking here.

Right. But I would argue, by the way, the guy with the Do Not Touch Class, if he'd actually put it back up on top of the thing, on top of the spark of this bottle, capsized again, not having washed it, that would be worse than leaving away. No. No? No, that's just... That's diabolical. No. Well, first off, God knows.

how many times that did happen, and I didn't know about it. Number one, that's why I don't give a fuck about germs. As my son pointed out to me today, that I was the guy who ate the cashew off the ground that the pigeons spat out at Burbank Airport on the tarmac. Yeah. No. Dad's sitting an example. Drew, taking the glass back off the ground after your mutt drank out of it, maybe wiping it down with your shirt tail or your sleeve

even placing it back on top, shows a certain conscientiousness. Awareness, yeah. A certain awareness and a certain ability. It is basically the equivalent of this. You work, you know, I would work in people's houses all the time back in the day, right? Yeah. I would go into their pantry and give it a light rating. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? And I would grab that big thing, a honey roasted cashews or something and take a look to my right, take a look to my left, the owner was, the car wasn't in the driveway, and I'd pour myself a nice handful. I would always screw the top back on, fluff it in such a way where I shook it around a little just to get a little air under it, you know, build it up a little. And then I would take the jar and I would make sure that the label was sort of facing where it was, like it was positioned in the pantry.

So the next time the guy opened the pantry, there it was as it was. So the guy with the glass is sort of out of a narcissism, you're full on. on criminal behavior. Full on. I would come home to my house, and there would be a big sack of nuts sitting on the island that was just wide open, just gaping open, which meant Ozzy or somebody else who was working my house was eating the nuts. And I would just simply say, look, zip it shut and turn it back on it.

I mean, don't have me open the front door and see from the front door who's gotten into this shit. Then I would pitch a small fit about it. then the following day, it would be in the exact same position. You know what would have avoided the whole thing with the glass is if you're a narcissistic buddy had just applied for Bark Box. Oh, he'd get a bowl. And it happened regularly, monthly, four to six full-sized products.

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Let me ask you this. So I was in Phoenix last weekend doing a bunch of shows. I was in San Jose on a Wednesday, and then it was time to leave for Phoenix on a Friday, and I was tired. I was tired of going to the Burbank airport, and tired of Southwest, tired of hotel rooms. And frankly, tired of being on my feet, you know, with a mic in my hand. and Barry Katz came on the show who's a pretty legendary manager I mean Dave Chappelle and Dane Cook

and Jay Moore and he's done them all and he did this Louis C.K. He did this highfalutin thing with me where I basically explained to him look I'm leaving tomorrow two shows Friday, two show's Saturday, signings in between

I don't want to go. What? You don't do it? You know, for the love of the... The sport? I said, no. He's the ever been to met you before? Well, I said to him, first off, what one of your clients does?

I mean, honestly, I was doing a fucking show with Jay Miller. I mean, Jay Miller. That's my old assistant. I got Jay Moore and Dennis Miller combined. I was doing a show with Dennis Miller. I said, look, I'll go out and do 35 minutes. you go out and do 35 minutes and then we'll both come out and do like 20 minutes together and he said you do 30 I'll do 30 then we'll both come out and I was like just shave five what

in my mind what the fuck's five minutes like the same thing according to my act and his act it's five and a half extra jokes yeah yeah times however many dates he does right so why do you think these guys have openers in middles yeah and then they come out they don't come out and do 95 minutes, they have a guy come out and do 15 minutes, then they have a guy come out and do 25 minutes, and then they come out and do 55 minutes. That's what openers and middles are for. That's how these guys roll. But then I started, I got a little defensive at first, which is like, you know, and he essentially

said, well, I don't know if I was listening right now and I was thinking about buying a ticket whether I would or not, to your show in Phoenix. Well, because you're not showing enthusiasm for it? First off, I just said, fuck that. Number one, roofers, pool cleaners, factory workers, and the fucking CEOs at the factory. How much fucking enthusiasm do they need? It's a fucking job. Just do it right.

I do it right because that's my job because you paid, bought a ticket because I'm coming back next year and I want you to come back again. Because I don't want to go home and go on Twitter and find out that, The lock sat up there, pulled up a stool, and talked about nothing for 90 minutes. We should have fucking spent our money and watched a movie at the theater. That's what I don't want. I have an ego, and I also have a sort of moral compass, which is, hey, these fucking people are paying and there's a two-drink minimum. But no, I don't want to go to the Burbank Airport again. And as I always say to everybody, when I said to the first publisher in my book,

at a certain point when we're eating lunch about halfway into lunch after I said you guys like 13 times she said you don't even know the name of our company do you

I said no I don't she kind of looked at me like we're getting in business and paying you a bunch of money to write a book and you don't even know the name of our company and I was like

no but that's not going to stop me from writing a good book it's not even for me it doesn't have anything to do with it we have successfully taken feelings and fucking infuse them into everything. I don't like that. Like, I have to love writing books in order to write a good comedy book.

I have to love going to Phoenix and doing two shows on a Friday and two shows on Saturday in order to deliver a product that's worth people's hard-earned money. It's a fucking bullshit. Yeah, I understand what you're saying for sure. And I would argue that sometimes you enjoy doing the shows, right? Sometimes. No. No, come on.

No, look. Not those shows. Sometimes. No, no. You have enjoyed doing shows in the past. Let's put it that way. Let me say this. Once, first off, is one great comedian once said, I'm not paid to perform.

I'm paid to travel. Yeah. When you're standing on stage, that's not the part they're paying me for. They're paying me to go to the airport, wait in line, go through security check in the hotel. You hate that no matter what. Everybody hates that, I'd say. Well, especially when you traveled the weekend before and then in between those two weekends, you jumped out to Sacramento. Again, no, I don't enjoy being on stage at all.

No. Any more or always? Never. I remember a time when as compared to the work you could have been doing. Of course. It's fucking better than that. And so as such, there was some appreciation, at least, of the opportunity to make a living, doing something that was certainly more enjoyable than the majority of things you could be doing. Yeah?

Listen. Apps a fucking loop. Okay. All right. hold on. And so I remember times, even last summer, occasionally, there were moments where you had fun doing out on stage. No. You were not playing fun. Here's what I enjoy. Here's what, there's a few things. Yeah. I first off, appreciate being able to do what I do for a limit. As compared to anything else. That's right. Okay. That's, I do appreciate it. And by the way, let's just

fun. Fun is not really the word. Hold on. Let's just point out that the majority of people that do this kind of work, haven't had other careers. They think this is work. They don't understand how good they've got. Well, I think they've waited tables and bartended. I'm just saying, for the most part. They've not had a career in construction where they drove a truck and worked full-time. Or medicine like I did or whatever. We both shared this thing like, whoa, compared to real work, this is like, come on now. Even the travel part, as much of a pain in the ass as it is. Okay? Yeah, sure. Right, right. And there's been time. times that you've had enjoyment on the stage.

You enjoy engaging with people. You enjoy their reaction to certain things. I feel satisfaction. Fine. From being on stage. That's fine. Fine. Is it possible, given that those two things are true, that you're just overworking?

This is a function of just that. Well, yeah, that's, that's, I told you I was at an airport the weekend before. I was at an airport on Sunday. I understand. And then I was airport on Wednesday. And then it was back on Friday. I heard it, but what you couched in was, and I hate getting on stage, therefore, why would I want to do this? It's like, no, not true.

No, I don't. You hate it now because you've done too much of it. No, I don't have, the good news is I don't have feelings about getting on stage good or bad. I just don't have feelings about it. I don't have that. Everyone wants to infuse that, well, the rush of the live audience. Don't have that. never never did but it but it's satisfying and it feels satisfying to do what i do yeah like any

good work and i'm grateful to the audience yeah i'm always grateful to the people who come hence me going out and signing in between yeah and taking pictures with everyone and i get that and i get that about you but i think when you make a big statement like this sucks i don't want to do it kind of thing people hear something else. No, it doesn't, look, it doesn't suck. And by people, I mean, the manager guy. I think your audience kind of understands. The travel.

The travel sucks. Sweeting through your shirt for two shows, a little bit. You know, I'd do one show if I had my druthers. Go do it. No, because now you're getting on an airplane. You're checking into hotel. You're gone over the weekend. You're going there to make money.

All right. Now, you could sell out a second show. What do you want to do? Just go back to a hotel and watch SportsCenter. I mean, it's like you're there. You and I are both that way. No, I get that. Once you're there, you're there.

If you're going to be there, do it work. That's work. Yeah, that's how the three show. That's how the three show night got concocted by the diabolical Mike August. I mean, I'll never do that again. But that was three shows a night, three nights in a row. And that's when I was stupid. I would do 100 minutes a night.

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