The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #1755 Beauty, Brains & Heart

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

August 6, 2023Adam and Dr. Drew welcomes someone from their Loveline past, the incomparableBrandy Ledford who is also known from the popular show, ‘Baywatch Hawaii’. Theydiscuss her acting career highlights, as well as some personal battles and triumphs thathave led to her leading involvement in important nonprofits. Both Brandy and Dr. Drewspeaks very highly of the treatment center, ‘Friendly House’ and all the ways it’s helpedBrandy and countless others.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on the Chips. Doctors, Board Certified Physician Diction Specialist. Yeah, man. All right.

We have a guest on this show. she released a clip of her on Loveline, the TV show. I heard about this. From almost 25 years ago, 1999. Brandy Ledford is her name. We'll talk about a doc. She's an actress. She was Penn House Pet of the Year.

She was in Baywatch. And also had a great role in an episode of Modern Family, which I, is a really funny episode that I'd like to get into just a little bit, but maybe we'll get Brandy fired up and then we'll talk to her about it. Modern fan is a really funny show. And it's like it's, it's authentic, but it still kind of has a heart and everything kind of turns out okay. You know, it's got that kind of, it's sitcoms have to kind of ride this, this, this fine line of being authentic, but also not really having real problems. Yes, yes. You know what I mean?

Yeah. You know, it's funny. I was recounting for somebody recently that I was on the Bonnie Hunt show years ago, and the guest ahead of me was Julie Bowen. And we knew Julie from Ed, because she used to come on Loveland. It might have been the striker years. But she was trying to describe the show to me, and she had difficulty. Yeah.

It was interesting. It's like she couldn't quite. And I had the same experience with Mike Myers with Austin Powers. Remember he was trying to describe that to us? We're like, what? But oftentimes good ideas that are breaking through a sort of model. Yes. This is why no one understands any of my ideas.

They're too good for you people to understand them. But what they do, there's a thing that they do, which is an interesting thing. Who's they? Modern family. Sorry. Phil, the patriarch, Phil Dumfey, is looks at other women. Yeah. It gets distracted by them.

You know, like almost every time he shows up and sees the hot-blooded Latin Gloria, he's always, you know, like when she goes, oh, Phil, you're so kind. They hug. He hangs on a little too long. Like, they make it clear that she's a beautiful woman. Yeah. And he's attracted to her, you know, which they would never do in other sitcoms. Right. They just, they would, the guy somehow.

Too dangerous. Yeah. Like, it's like, well, we don't want to think about him and his wandering eye, but, but Brandy played this hot neighbor. I even think she was a realtor or something and it. She's beautiful and, you know, kept ending up with Phil in the house alone, you know, whatever. And it gets uncomfortable or is it like he's just. Well, he's clearly into her aesthetically because everybody is. But is it like weird or is it like uncomfortable?

comfortable or how does that they play? I guess we could talk to her. Brandy, can you hear us? Hi, I can hear you. Yeah. So nice to see you. Hi. Hello there.

Brandy played a very shapely beautiful neighbor. And Phil got kind of caught up a little in her web, although I just remember it was being a very funny, funny episode. With great, I mean, you can't go on, you can't have that big a role in an episode of modern family and not have comedy chops. Yes. It's too good a show. Yeah.

So congratulations on that. Thank you. Thank you so much. How did that even work? Do you just audition for it? I did. I auditioned for it. Actually, there's a really funny story about it that nobody knows.

I auditioned for it and my friend Krista auditioned for it and she actually got the part. And she wasn't able to do it. So they called me on Saturday and said, they want you. you should come to the wardrobe on Sunday, and I filmed Monday morning. You know, it's weird how many stories like that have, you know what I mean? There's a lot of things like that that things run these sort of circuitous paths to air to production. It's very interesting. Now, you showed or tweeted or released or I don't even know what it is, a clip of love line.

We don't tweet anymore, Adam. You express, what are we exing, exits? Or exing. I don't know. Is that going to work? Here's what they try to do. I trust him. I trust him too.

But they'll do this thing on roads where they'll go, it's no longer expedition highway. It is Martin Luther King, Dr. Martin Luther King Expressway or something, but no one, it never catches on. Yeah. Or it takes 20 years. Yes. McCarran Airport in Vegas is not McCarran. It's not McCarran anymore? No.

It's Eric, it's named after like a black politician or some Eric Holder or something like that. It's not McCarron. Wow. And I don't think it's been McCarron for a while. Wow. A little while. But it's not catching on. You didn't even know it.

You've flown in and out of Vegas a thousand times. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Sorry. I don't even know what we're talking about now. Yeah. Oh, the clip.

Yeah. Can we look at the clip? What inspired you to put the clip out? Oh, God. You're talking about the post that I made on Instagram about me being on Loveline 24 years ago? Yeah. Well, we'll call it a post. I've called a clip.

Well, it's a clip. It's in a post. It's a clip. Yeah. It's true. It's a clip. You know, I was actually just looking through my photos. I wanted to do a throwback Thursday from the 90s.

And I was looking at all my old photos and video clips. And that was the one that came up. And I was so excited to post it because I, you know, grew up. listening to Love Line. And so when I was on your show for the first time back then, it was such an honor. And I just, I loved revisiting that. And so it was sort of natural to post it. Oh, well, let's see it. The latest member of Baywatch now in Hawaii, everybody. And who knows why it took them this long to get over there. But I'm glad they moved. Brandy Ledford is here. To Catherine? Kathleen McClein McCord. It must have been last season or something. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of applause. The elector. Ninth season. I always enjoy Baywatch. Yeah, I do. I like it. And not just for the, you know, a T&A, but I like the... You know what TNA stands for?

It's a f*** in action. Oh, action, yeah. Are we allowed to say action on that? That's really funny. What they bleep out? Tits. Oh. Tits in action.

Oh, they... I think that's what she said. No? I guess. Yeah, makes sense. You said, are we allowed to say action? Because you knew that was a word that would get bleeped. Yes.

And it's such a random word for people to be bleeping. Oh, I was so clever. And look at Drew. You were. I think how fast you were. Earning his money sitting there doing nothing. You're bringing back Adam's resentments, Brandy. Bring you back resentments from long ago.

So, Brandy, I know there's a documentary that you're, well, you can tell us, Baywatch, the American dream. And I'm not sure when that's going to be released or where we'd find it. And you can fill us up in on that. But Baywatch was a phenomenon. But it also, it captured a little slice of sort of where we were when we were. You know, I would argue, yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly, that it really was a little bit, even at that point, kind of nostalgic for the 80s a little bit. Because the 80s is when we really were at the beach.

You know what I mean? it started decaying in the 90s and moving back. And I'm curious about the international play. I mean, it must have been wild if you went. I'm sure you had to go to Germany and stuff and do appearances. It was wild. It was especially wild in countries that faced really cold winters because they got to daydream about being in the beach.

And we played during the winter. So it's part of the reason it was so successful. But it was also so fun for me to be on. You know, I grew up in Redondo Beach. So to be starting on a beach-oriented show is like a beach girl's dream. You guys filmed it down there, too. Didn't you right there right there? No.

They filmed in Santa Monica at Will Rogers for the most part. But I was start, I started on Baywatch Hawaii. And so we filmed in mostly Oahu. God, what a dream job. I know. It was. It was fun. And so the doc, when's that going to be released?

We know we're still looking at it. I think they want to expand it. And so we're going to shoot some more episodes. The strike has put a bit of a delay in the release date. But as soon as it's going to be released, I'll let you know. Yeah, what is the deal with strikes and docs? I mean. I don't know.

There's all these weird exemptions that it's hard to follow. You have to literally be an attorney to figure out what you can and can't do. Well, some of it is optics. Like, I don't think, like when the cast of Oppenheimer got up and walked out of the premiere, I don't think there's any laws against sitting and watching your movie. There's all these laws against promotion. Promotion, but you already did the red carpet. Now you're in the theater.

Maybe that's how they compensated for having done the red carpet. There's a lot of optics involved as well. Are you out, Brandy? Have you been marching? Have you been hitting the picket line? No, I haven't. I planned to. I plan to.

I haven't yet. I just actually got back to L.A. So I plan to go out. You know, but it's funny you talk about promotion because I'm going to a convention to sign autographs. And my agent was a little bit concerned about stag and what it.

You know, I'm not promoting a new film. Yeah. No, you're allowed to go do that. You're allowed to do that as long it's not something new. You are, but we have to figure that out. Yep. You have to literally get an attorney to read,

read the material. Yeah. I'm so torn because I, you know, I hate all the big rich fat cat streamers, but I hate actors and the sag so much as well that I don't know who I'm rooting for. You're not a sag member? Yeah, I'm in sag. I don't want to be. I have, well, why?

Because I don't want to pay. First, okay, I fundamentally reject the concept of they take your first, paycheck and you're in the union if you'd like to act. I don't fundamentally reject that. The fact that you don't have a choice in the matter? Yes, the fact that you do not have a choice in the matter. They take your first paycheck and they put you in a union. I don't like unions in general. Don't get me started on teachers unions. I've been the worst thing that ever happened to Los Angeles and children since COVID, which didn't hurt kids nearly as much as teachers unions did. So I don't like unions in general. And I don't, I reject this thing where it's like, you make $18 an hour because the union

says so, or you make this minimum or whatever. I'd like to get paid when I'm worth. And I'd like to be better than other teachers or other people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I got to say, you know, I was obviously practicing independently forever and slowly got involved with the union. It was an awful nice luxury. What? This said. Oh, you practice? No, no, no, no, no, no. I was practicing medicine. I know, but then when you say got to a union, it seems like a medical thing. No, no, there is no such thing.

But feeling that protection of a group is kind of, it's super appealing to me. I got to tell you. I don't like that it's foisted on me. I understand that. And that you can't work. I don't like all the rules. It's ever, everything should just go do whatever you want. Sorry.

Don't want to get you in trouble, Brandy. Do you like being in the union? Do you know, I've applied to be on the board there. I'm running for. for the board at SAG. Oh, really? Yeah. Why?

Because I've, you know, they have all these crazy, not crazy, but they have all these aggressive COVID policies with no physician advising them. I thought I'm a position. Oh, well, that makes them assholes, too. I mean, the fact that I'm still shooting shows where everyone's, all the crews wearing a mask except for it's around their chin. I mean, obviously they're idiots. So, yes, I don't like SAG, but fine.

I'll be totally in there. So I'll help represent. They're not going to listen to you. That's another problem. Sorry. We got, so Baywatch Doc will... TBD, to be determined.

But it should be this is something that needs to be made. Yes. And it needs to be released. The American Dream is called Baywatch. Also, you have a nonprofit. Let's talk about that for a moment. Well, yeah, I'm on the board of the Friendly House and also the Red Songbird Foundation. and we have a mutual friend Drew, Jason Waller, says to say hello.

Wow, fantastic. Yeah. He is a, he is a inspiration. Mm-hmm. Truly. And by the way, speaking of inspiration, Friendly House is always, has been there forever. And I'm so grateful for them. My God, they do good, good work, which I can't say of 90% of what goes on in Southern California when it comes to addiction treatment.

It's true. I'm so proud to be on the board of Friendly House. They really do great work. Their treatment center is incredible. They're sober living house. And so we're coordinating a big fundraiser. This October 28th, a big luncheon gala. Very excited about it.

And I'm just really, really happy to be on the board. That's October 28th. And you can get more. October 28th. Tickets at friendlyhouse, la.org. Friendlyhouse,la.org. Yeah, good. It's really good.

I mean, I've referred to Friendly House for years and years. when no one else would take a patient friendly is like we'll find a way. Really? Yeah. How'd you become involved with them? Well, so I've been in recovery for 26 years and I've been sober for 11 years this time. And thank you. And a friend of mine is on the board.

She's actually the president of the board. And I attended the gala last year, walked the carpet, and really wanted to be involved once I saw the good work that they were doing and once I learned about it. And they asked me to be on the board and I've been on it for almost a year. is most of the board just is kind of curious this is the reason I'm asking this question but it may sound curious but are most of the people in the board recovering people? A lot of them yes. Most of them are. Because recovering people know what good and not good in addiction treatment and because they, yeah, because humility and anonymity is important part of what they do.

They kind of keep their mouth shut and they also let the medical world kind of do their thing when it's often doing things. horribly, terribly. And I've seen that for years and years. So the way for you as a recovery person and others to get involved, get on the boards of some of these places that do good work or could be. That's right. How does it work to be? And it's really, actually, it's really important because when I went and visited the treatment center, I knew what to look for. That's right. That's my point. That is my point. You know what's good and what isn't because you, you know. How does, what's the distinction between being in recovery for 26 years and being sober for 11 years? I relapsed.

Oh, okay. So you started the journey 26 years ago, had a relapse, and then that was 11 years ago. And what most people with long-term sobriety will tell you is that their first few years, I'm laughing because sobriety is a funny thing, right? their first few years are often not what they put the kind of sobriety that they came to understand. And so they kind of, and one of the dirty little secrets of addiction treatment is for a severe alcoholic, on average, four treatments and five years to get one year of sobriety. That's on average. And so people that are in sobriety are growing and learning the whole way.

And there's something I call sort of full recovery or complete recovery. And if you stay with it, that that's kind of where people go. And then they look back and go, eh, this first two years, I thought I was in recovery. It was okay, I needed to do it. But I really wasn't all the way in yet. All right, take a quick break. Back with Brandy Ledford right after this.

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LA.org is where you can go because there's a upcoming gala gala. I'm going to say gala or gala? I think it's the I think both are correct. Okay.

You know gala to me I always think about like a music performance. A classical music gala but a gala's ball. Weird. Well you can get tickets and it'll be in Beverly. and it'll be October 28th.

And Brandy, you're going to be there? I am going to be there. So it's worth the price of admission. Can I ask some sobriety questions real quick? Do you mind getting a little into it? Or are you somebody that does not talk on the data? 100%. Please ask.

I'm open. So there's this thing called the 11th tradition in recovery that was actually originally developed by Bill W's wife. No, I'm sorry, by Bill W. that there was not to be any talk of recovery in media or in the press. And Bill W.'s wife, before her death, felt that that was a mistake and needed to be reconsidered because people needed to hear about recovery. It shouldn't be used for promoting purposes, but for educational purposes.

Of course, people should hear about it. But there were a lot of recovering people on Baywatch, weren't there? There are now. Well, I meant, yes. That's a friend with that way. A lot of people ended up in recovery. is Donna Derricko she's in recovery now right Donna is remember she used to come on all the time yeah and there's a lot of people she's unforgettable yeah there are a lot of people that uh that particularly

women that now lead in in the recovery community i just want to ask your thoughts on where you think things are going with addiction and addiction treatment the posit friendly house does great work and I will frame it also by saying I have lots of grave concerns about where we are. Do you share those concerns? I do, especially politically in this nation where we're heading towards addiction and opioid crisis, the fentanyl overdose crisis, it makes no sense to me, why we're not doing more to make it easier to access mental health, help, recovery from drugs and alcohol.

I think it's a pandemic. and I think it should be addressed a lot more seriously. You know, I don't talk about, I talk about 12-step program. I talk about what I do in 12-step recovery. I don't specify my 12-step program because I think that's what the 11th tradition has evolved to, just keeping it a little more anonymous so that it doesn't tarnish the image of a particular 12-step program, just in case we relapse, which we do, like you said, you know, the success rate is so, so low. coming out of rehab. And so we don't want to tarnish it to hurt a newcomer. But I do talk about

my recovery program and all the tools that I've learned, both spiritual and physical, mental, emotional. And so I think I don't mind at all talking about it publicly in case it can help at least even just one person. Then I'm doing my part. And then my experience that I went through hasn't been wasted. Yeah. And stopping at saying I belong to X program is a nice line in the sand that many people draw because it sounds promotional. It's not. I'm promoting that program. No, I'm not. I'm talking about the experience I have with my peers sharing this mutual aid thing. And if you'd like to come along for the ride, it tends to work for me. But back to your point about mental health and what's going on in this country, I spoke,

I think I talked to you. I was in Austin this last weekend and spoke to the National Organization of County Officials, the NACO it's called. And I got up there and I was hot. I have grave concerns about where counties are taking things. And one of the things I focused on, this is so astonishing to me. I was like, what are you all doing with people with serious mental illness, with these medical brain disorders, expecting social workers to solve that problem? These are psychiatric illnesses that are deteriorating to the point that people are ending in the street. And you will not include doctors and our ability to manage them in the conversation, let alone heading the teams that are actually spearheading the,

and there were 2,500 people in the room, and they're all like, what? These are psychiatric problems? It was mind-blowing to me. And so now I'm running around all these different counties all over the country, trying to help educate them about what a psychiatric illness is. It's amazing. And you and I talked about, you know,

they sort of inherited something from your mom's generation. who wished things to be a certain way and just didn't also didn't have any knowledge of what they were talking about. Yeah. Can I interject? Can I add to that? I just want to say, and I don't want to talk about politics, but I did have dinner with Bobby Kennedy the other night. And I told him, look, if you become president because he's sober and he's out about his sobriety and recovery, I have such a need, like you said, Dr. Drew, wanting, you know, going and talking to people about what we can do for mental health awareness. and I have this dream that I can do something more.

Well, count me in. You're doing a lot of Friendly House. Believe me. Let's do it. Yeah. You had dinner with RFK Jr., huh? I mean, I threw that out there, but, yeah. Listen, I'm impressed by him and Drew and I speak about him and many people politically.

And all, you know, what I'm sort of vexed. by and and it just keeps happening. I just want somebody with some mental firepower in these positions. I, so you have. Well, we got Ramoswamy and we got Kennedy. I mean. Right. That's what I'm saying.

You have Vivek Ramoswamy on the Republican side and let's say JFK Jr. or RFK Jr. on the, on the Democratic side. And my whole thing. thing is like, look, I don't have to agree with them on everything, but I need them to have some firepower. Yeah. And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or whoever, every person in California that represents me are dunces.

They're dumb. There's something wrong with them. I remember the word dunce in three years. Well, when you hear like Maxine Waters talk, she's an idiot. Or Nancy Pelosi, like they're idiot. Well, just to my point about the county thing, just saying, hey, you don't know what it's like, oh, my God, why didn't somebody tell us? That's sort of what we're dealing with.

And God bless them, like I said, they've been diluted by history. History is what handed them all this. Not their fault. Well, it'd be nice to have somebody with some ideas and some positions. Well, that's all. I mean, I don't know what else. Well, I love that RFKs out there stirring the pot. and I love that he's a recovering person.

He's got long-term, he hasn't, you know, they haven't attacked him for this yet, Brandy, which I find wild. He's a heroin addict. He's a real deal down and out, full-on drug addict. And he's a fully recovered person also. And he's got a deep, deep understanding of these things that I would co-sign. But you and I both know that that's an asset. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And maybe that's why they don't attack it or they don't understand it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Somebody with something. Somebody with something. Well, he's got something, man.

That guy confers. He is highly persuasive. Yeah. Anybody with some ideas, I will, and can articulate those ideas. You know, it's funny. In the shower this morning, I was thinking about my first conversation with him. I interviewed him first about six months ago, I think. And he went on, it's kind of interesting historically now.

At the end of our interview, he was so grateful. He goes, it takes so much courage to talk to me publicly. I'm so grateful. You're so courageous. And I thought, why is it courageous just to do things that are just, you should be doing? You know, I'm letting people talk. Why is that courageous? But he went on.

That's Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Yeah. Well, that's the point. He went, you're going to get attacked for this. And I just, just now, as I told you, I'm going to attack for something right now, actively, right? This minute. Well, I would say the good news is, and Brandy, you can weigh in on this. they've attacked so many people for so many things and been wrong so many times that it really doesn't mean anything to be attacked anymore.

By the way, it almost put you in a category where people are going to go, maybe he's got something more. I'll join the smart people who are being attacked. Yeah, right. Is it like the no, there's no such thing as bad press philosophy where at least they're talking and having conversations and engaging about a situation? I understand. Yes and no. The no is they've become. dangerous. They're really dangerous.

And they do things that are just very, very problematic. I am. I mean, they're attacking Barbie. Yeah, I know. Both sides. Both sides are attacking Barbie. Are both sides attacking Barbie? Yeah, I've seen it from both sides. I thought it was just the right. No, no, no,

no. Well, this is interesting because you're beautiful blonde, so you've got a little Barbie in you. My daughter and her friends, Oh, yeah. 17 years old came home yesterday afternoon or the other day afternoon. And, like, I said, where'd you guys go? We saw Barbie.

I was like, what'd you think? And they're like, eh, didn't like it. Oh, didn't like it? Interesting. What didn't they like about it? Because I saw it too, and I have a similar reaction. And I'm a huge Barbie fan. But could they articulate it?

They were just like, you know, it was kind of funny, but not that funny. Not entertaining enough. You know, my daughter said, because I started to. presser on it a little bit. I'm always bugging you about that. She was like, it didn't make sense. They did a lot of stuff that didn't track. You know, when you watch a film,

everything needs to be sort of motivated or justified or whatever. And films play fast and lose with that, but they're still motivation. So they just did a lot of stuff. Didn't really make sense. But I don't know. What was your take? You're a big Barbie fan. I agree.

There was this beautiful dreamy sequence in the beginning. and then the ending had this incredible message. And then the middle didn't make so much sense. It was a little bit flat. I think it needed some editing. And it was pretty anti-male. So I understand, and I'll say this too about getting attacked for anything. I understand both sides.

Like I understand the problems people have with Barbie on both sides, the standard of beauty that most people can't live up to. And then the anti-male sort of, I don't think, we need to disempower men to make women feel equal or empowered. And I think they made a really important point of doing it that way so that it wasn't superfluous. And I think it was, it made it boring for me. But it was still beautiful to watch. And, you know, the acting was incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, I think the costume design and set design and all its stuff is pretty, pretty miraculous. But yes, I heard it was pretty anti-male. But the males don't really care that much because we're busy for the most part. We're used to it. And sort of used to it. Yeah. But on the other hand, it was interesting to watch how men reacted when the role was reversed and they were living the way women live.

That was a, you know, they didn't like that. I grew up watching commercials where the woman would have to go out of town to take care of her sickly mom. Remember, you'd have to leave. to take care of somebody who was sick. Yes. And then the guy would be left behind to make breakfast for the kids. And the wife would always call and go, how's it going over there? And he'd go, everything's under control.

And it was a mess. And he'd be dumping pancake batter into a toaster. Yeah. And fire would be coming out of it. And I remember that shit's 100 years old. And I was like, all right, I guess. Still the same thing. It's really a backhanded compliment.

Yeah. Really. Honestly. And true equality in this country will be that commercial with a black female lesbian acting like a buffoon. Okay. If we can get to that point that we have true equality. Brandy. Married to the woman calling.

Right. Yeah. With a transgendered kid. Oh, yes. There you go. Baywatch, that doc will come out when it comes out. It will keep us posted. but Friendlyhouse, L.A.org is where you go for Drew's stamp of approval.

Oh, yeah. Have Jason reach out to me, Brandy. Thank you. Brandy Ledford. I will, of course, yeah. Brandy Ledford. Thanks for having me back on. It was so great to see you.

Great to catch up with you. Congratulations to your sobriety. It's a big deal. Thank you, Drew. Thank you. We'll see you in 24 years. You got it. So until next time, I'm having a girl with Dr. Dr. Sane.

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