The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #176: Guest Host – Orlando Jones

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Actor Orlando Jones joins Dr. Drew this week to fill in for Adam. They open the show diving headlong into a discussion about race, specifically citing racial incidents like Ferguson, Missouri and the Rodney King beatings. Drew also asks Orlando about his unusual version of the Ice Bucket Challenge and how he was inspired to modify it for a different cause.Thank You for Supporting Our Sponsors:text ADS to 64000See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Well, comedic actor Orlando Jones is going to join Dr. Drew and he's going to fill in for me this week. And they talk about everything. They talk about race. They talk about racial incidents like Ferguson, Missouri, Rodney King beatings. Drew asked Orlando about his unusual version of the ice bucket challenge. Remember that one? It's all next with Orlando Jones and Dr. Drew. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician

and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. And it's still Dr. Drew saying, get it on, got to get it on, mandate get it on, no choice. Need to get it on. Get it on. Get it on. Got to get it on. And last podcast, we pulled out a little bang-a-gong here.

Can we play that, please, Chris? Okay. Just to make Adam happy. A couple things. It is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month, and if you please listen to my podcast, the Dr. Drew podcast, you will see, hear lots of educational material about that. And you'll hear my wife, Chris, is that going up soon? That's got to be up this week, right? I think it's this coming Monday.

This coming Monday, fantastic. I thought that was a pretty interesting podcast. And so it's me interviewing my wife about what it's like to have a husband who has his prostate taken out and more personal matters. I'm turning in for that one. Hold on, this voice you're hearing is creeping in here. I've got to introduce him properly. So Adam didn't show up again this week, and I ran into Orlando in the parking lot at Fox Television in West Side of Los Angeles, and I hadn't seen him in a long time.

I don't think I've seen you since we were like at a VH1 thing in New York years ago. And always one of my favorite people and we sort of hugged and so we got a, this is too long, this is ridiculous. And then I thought, fucking Adam, didn't show up. I'm going to put Orlando in there as my chance to spend some time with Orlando Jones. So let me properly introduce you. Right now the television show is Sleepy Hollow, season two, premieres September 22nd, 9 p.m. on Fox. You know him from the recent incarnation of the ALS challenge where he poured bullets over his head

his Twitter handle is at The Orlando Jones or Orlando spelled just like the city in Florida website is Orlando Jones dot com if you don't know of many of these things you definitely knew him from MADtv you also knew he was a 7-up spokesperson I dare say if you were a live fan these days, who the hell knows? You might want to aim higher. You might want to go drumline or replacements or something. I like that stuff you did back in those days. I loved the MADtv. I loved MADtv. I was a huge fan of that. I had a great time. But it's funny now that I meet so many people who like that's not

on their radar. MADtv, really. The funny thing about for us, for Adam and I, is you guys filmed at Hollywood Center Studios when we were doing Loveline TV. I remember. And I remember the end, were you in the first season? I did the first two. At the end of the first season, we had like the whole cast. I remember Will being, were you a part of that whole? No, no, no, no. That wasn't first season. You had them on actually like third or fourth. Okay whatever it was they marched in they went it's over it's officially over. Were they cancelling us this season? They've given us our walking papers there's no way we're going on. It went on like 14 seasons. 14 years it was on.

Every year the same thing it's definitely over. Definitely we're out of here it's never going to go on and we go you're full of shit come on give me a break. We did that the whole time I was there. We were like every year. We were like, we're canceled. No one's letting us do this anymore, because we were kind of in the dark, just doing what we were doing. And there was tremendous talent on that show. Truly.

Will Sasso. Will Sasso. McDonald. Artie Lang. Artie Lang. Brian Callan. Nicole Sullivan. Nicole's great.

Deborah Wilson. Deborah's amazing. And Pat Kilbane. Who's the woman that did? He Looked Like a Man. Oh yeah. Well, that's. Oh my God.

Help. Family guy. Help us. I'm embarrassed right now. Alex Porstein. Alex Porstein. Thank you. Some incredible people.

And the woman that played the mother of Michael McDonald's adult baby. What was her name? Oh my goodness. Stewie's mom. Thank you. Stewie's mom. I don't know my goodness thank you come on name is not stewie baby we've got to find her name I cannot be the guy who does that oh it's too is mom I can't do that I'm sorry no do it come on I know she's like Andy Dicks friend I believe yes

So but yeah, man, it's it's been a while we've it was a crazy fun time. I mean here we are Yeah, here's a podcast years later But I don't know that much about you So I want to the podcast is a chance to really just long form get into people's lives. Where'd you grow up? Mobile Mobile, Alabama is where I was born and how long did you live there? A couple years and then I went to Columbus, Georgia and Greenville, South Carolina and Tallahassee, Florida. So you really grew up in the South? Orangeburg, South Carolina. You were in the South? Yeah, I'm from the deep South. While moving around? My father is a basketball coach. Coached Division I ball and he was playing. Was that cool?

Yeah, I mean, I thought it was. I thought it was awesome. Yeah, you know, it was always some college campus somewhere. And you know, Ferman, Florida State. Yeah. South Carolina State. That's the real deal. He must have been stressed though, right?

And it's hard. No, he's cool. You know, professional sports is kind of like the family business. Like every male in my family play professional sports. That's kind of the way it works. Any particular sport? Usually football and baseball. Mo Collins.

No. They are the Jamaican bobsled. The whole family. But no, it's football and baseball basically, and then I came along as the basketball player and freaked them all out that I wound up out here. I think that they're, they're, they're sending me a note here, I got you Gary. Mo Collins was the woman that played. Yes, Mo Collins. Yes, Mo Collins. Arggg.

And where'd you play sports? I went and played at Florida State for a hot second and then I got hurt. That must have been fun though. And then I left yeah I mean it was it was kind of like you're in your childhood for a long time. Yeah. I've been at a basketball court since I was like you know literally I think my father coached in Carver High School in Columbus, Georgia. He won three state championships. And there's a picture of me where my dad had just won the state championship and I'm like, you know, two.

I'm in his arms. You know, he's got the Afro and the whole, I don't remember it all. But the picture of it is like, I mean, I kind of have some vague memory that there was stuff. I'm not one of those people that claims to remember like the early years, I don't. No, it starts at like seven for me. But yeah, it's full from the deep south for sure. And where'd the comedy come in? You know, I don't know, keeping my, I have a crazy family, you know,

there are a bunch of funny people in my family. Was it stand up first or was it sketch or just acting? No, it was just, I was really acting and writing primarily. Stand-up is something I've been doing for the last three years but very, very recent. How do you find that? Fun, surprisingly. I've always been more interested in the dialogue than the monologue. So are you good at it?

I would think I'm reasonable at it, you know any dates coming up we should talk about Yeah, I'm actually gonna play my alma mater. I'm gonna go to College of Charleston and Raise some money for the School of Arts there You seem like you're very involved in NGOs as they say or in the nonprofit like the just the Imaginativeness of your bullets over your head and the fact that you're involved with a junior CEO program. Is that right? Tell me about that. It's an amazing program. You know, we spend a lot of time teaching young people to be cogs in a wheel, you know, to perpetuate the aims of society as it were. And we don't spend a lot of time teaching them to think and to dream. And particularly kids who become, you know,

from places like where I came from, underprivileged areas, junior CEOs was about, well, why don't we train them and teach them to follow their dreams, follow their ideas, and be their own CEOs. And out of that sort of silly idea, we have this young kid who had an idea because his parents couldn't afford to pay for two sports. They're like, look, you have to choose. It's going to be one or the other. So he came up with an idea for a cleat that goes over your shoe that takes one shoe and transforms it into a two. And, you know, he just met with a, what's the gentleman's name from Shark Tank? Say that again? Yeah, Damon John from Shark Tank and, you know, it's in development. It seems like a no-brainer, right? It does.

It seems like it's why somebody didn't do that before. That's why you know it's a good idea. Exactly. But, you know, he dreamt that up out of his life, out of his circumstance, out of his own need, and he's 11. Now you say you're interested in underprivileged youth and that you grew up in underprivileged areas, but your dad was a basketball player. It was more that we were middle class. Yeah.

You know, I would say we were probably lower middle class, middle middle class, whatever that means. But my family wasn't. Your extended family? No. So, you know, when you, you know, when I'm with my grandparents, my cousins and whatnot, you know, I'm in the hood. It's, you know, it was, we were the ones that were sort of middle class. And then there was a, an absolute, you know, above the poverty line element. And then, you know, just poor, just poor. So I had a real clear glimpse

at all of what that was. Let me, again, I'm just following my muse here with you. Adam gets a lot of shit for, this is still the Adam and Drew podcast, I'll bring him in here, a lot of shit for, he always urges, because he was poor, he got him pulled himself up, you know, by working hard and stuff. And he felt that, you know, government handouts and any government agencies just kept him down. Sure.

And so what is your perception of that? I mean, are we, how do people get out of those situations? What do we need to do for people that are stuck? Well, people far smarter than me. But you're a sense. What's your sense? But I mean, people far smarter than you are doing a shitty job because it's not working. So it's so weird to me that you have to have a philosophy.

Why can't the philosophy be let's do what works? Okay, I agree with that. I agree with that. I do agree with that. Look, for me, I think it's about we cannot, you know, all oranges are not created equal. Each one of them is slightly different, you know. And so this idea that there's a one-size-fits-all solution to a problem that involves people just on its face seems crazy to me. There are, you know, there are parents who are involved in their children's lives, and

there are parents who are not involved in their children's lives. You know, that's the elephant in the room. That's what we try not to talk about. Is it that simple? Is that the main issue? I don't know that it's that simple, but I'm saying for those children it is. And since they are the actual, the future that we talk about in lofty terms, no, they're right there.

So let's dissect that. So it's about being good involved parents? Well, I think it's about attempting to identify what your child excels at, having a keen eye for that, you know, nurturing. You're talking about education. I'm talking about education. I'm talking about... What about just being a loving, you know, being available, being around? Also important, but it's being a... the giving of yourself it requires.

Right. Right. Whatever that is. And why do people fall... what makes them fall short on that? Either they do not have an example to point to. Meaning they weren't... That wasn't their experience, who knows? So again, but my point is, without placing judgment on any of those different things, I'm simply saying that that's gonna create different types of people. And all of us have dealt with some person who you give them the ball and they

take two steps, and then another person you give them the ball and they run. So to empower those who can run is, to me, the right thing. But then people go, oh, it's unfair unfair the ones that can only take two steps. Yes, life is unfair. I am so sorry about that. So you're sort of, well that was, believe it or not, Abraham Lincoln's thing. It's like, let's just create a level playing field and then give them the ball. That's what it, there is no other way to do it. Well there is. You can take this Rawlsian approach, which is the most impaired are the ones we need to

spend all of our resources bringing up to join the rest. And I would like to think that those who are blessed to have the aptitude and the circumstance and the wherewithal to take the ball and run will look back on their fellow man more kindly. And help them, yeah. Absolutely. And so you're almost, you're of my new liberty party. You're going to join my new liberty party. You're part of that group.

I'm a part of no party because I feel like sometimes... Well, that's me neither. That's why I'm going to start a new one. You want to me? Okay, fine. Because I'm, you know, some things I'm very conservative about and some things I guess you could say I'm liberal about, but I subscribe to the... You subscribe to empiricism.

Here's what works. Let's do what works. Let's do what works. And you know what? I'm a citizen of the earth. Like like I am an American. Yes. Am I proud of that? Yes, I'm African-american Okay, but I've been black dude. My birth certificate says colored it changes every couple of years So I'm like, I don't know what y'all are talking about. It's always been a different word choose what it is Whatever, let's not get so sensitive. Yeah, but ultimately we're all and we have human rights and there are no civil rights, you know what I mean? There are no women's rights.

Nat. They're natural rights. J. Well, human rights. There's no gay rights, human rights. Nat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're back to the first principle. J. Again, I don't understand. I'm not smart enough to complicate it beyond that. It seems like when you get more complicated than that, it all just gets messy because people are lying. Nat. People are lying. Dr. K. Well, it's just human rights. If that is truly the truth, then what is all this other mischigas about?

Nat. Well, let's talk about mischigas. Let's talk about Ferguson. Let's talk about Ferguson. Dr. K. Sure. Nat. Because that's where your bullet thing came from, right? Dr. K. Sure. Nat. And... Dr. K. Well, that and wanting to support, you know, ALS and Lou Gehrig's disease. So a desire to be... I've been called out to support both, frankly, because, look, Lou Gehrig's disease is...

Both what? Lou Gehrig's disease, that disease that ALS was sort of... had been co-opted. First, cancer is really where it began, and then Lou Gehrig's disease sort of co-opted and it became that. Co-opted what? The challenge. Oh, that was the cancer challenge it became? Yeah, yeah. It started there. I thought it was... It didn'topted what? The challenge. Oh, that was the cancer challenge? Yeah, yeah. It started there.

I thought it was, it was... It didn't start with ALS, no. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. So, I mean, and it was great because look at what it was doing. It was raising awareness and people were feeling compelled to get engaged. And ALS is, I got to tell you something, if there's one condition that I would say, hey, they're close to really some major, major breakthroughs. They need some dough to do it.

Absolutely. Well chosen. Absolutely. Like you couldn't, nothing bad there. It is a horrible fuck. I've seen just, it's the most miserable, terrible disease. It's a horrible disease. Yeah. Trapped inside of your own body that way. It's horrible. So your heart, if you have a soul at all, your heart goes out. So I wanted to support that. Like, absolutely. And then Ferguson was going on, and we were in the exact same conversation we've been

listening to since Rodney King, 25 years ago, when it was the biggest deal ever, again. And Rodney is no longer with us, but left the world and all of the judgment that the world comes with, with why can't we all just get along? Which is, as a legacy to leave, is not a bad one. Oh, absolutely. To look at the reversal of fortunes of how his life turned on a dime and what he did his very best to do something good with to me is inspiring but a story that's often not told. So you know obviously he's a

wonderful guy. He's a wonderful guy. Did you read his book? I did. Yeah. I did. So rambling on as I want to do I say all that to say I wanted to support both things but who could ignore both of them and I am you, I'm the primary suspect in one of them. So, you know, to be silent. I wanna break that down. But obviously you've gotta, you guys have gotta put his bullet thing on the website and then put Rodney King's book on our website too.

You got it. But to try and take it away from color was key for me. Okay, I'm gonna bring it back to color. Go. Okay, because I really wanna understand it. I really do. And I don't...my friends have honest conversations about it and that's why I want to...I want somebody to talk honestly to me. Sure. Go ahead. And did you see the thing the other day with the actress who refused to give her ID to the policeman and she had a shit fit and you saw this.

This is an actress from Django Unchained and she was making out with her boyfriend, he's white, she's black and then somebody called the cops, said people are having sex in a car and the cops came and they said, hey, we need to see your guy's ID. The white guy hands the ID and she goes, I don't show you my ID. I'm not going to cooperate with you. I was like, why not? What's the matter with you. I was like, why not? What's the matter with you?

And then I thought, right there, there's something about the relationship. And then I thought to myself, the whole, I had a lot of conversation with friends around Ferguson about what African-American young males are taught about the cops. And a lot of my female. Not necessarily even taught, experience. them about what African-American young males are taught about the cops. And a lot of my female—

Not necessarily even taught experience. Some and others taught. But there's both. There's both, to be fair. Daniel Watts is the woman that we're talking about that had the shit fit about not showing her ID. I talked to several of my friends, African-American women, who said that, oh yeah, they teach their sons. I said, you watch out for the cops, they come around, they're going

to kill you. So you do what they tell you because they're going to kill you. I never received a message like that. I had several horrible interactions with the police. Interestingly, every time it was an African American policeman, and I never once thought African American cops were out to get me. And then I thought one time, one cop when I was like 15 picked me off my feet and shook me and really scared the

almost the crap out of me for nothing just because I was walking by and mumbled something and he thought I was like dissing him or something. Maybe he thought your eyes were beautiful. I know, whatever it was. But I thought to myself if in that moment my parents had more than a couple times said to me if an African-American cop comes on you and He's gonna kill you sure so you better fight or you better run or you better whatever sure I I would have gone into Def Con 3 and I would have tried to I Just gone I would so so let's break that down. Yeah, so let's say your parents do tell you that yeah Okay, and let's say your parents don't tell you that yeah

No matter which way you go if you're African-, there will come a time that you come in contact with that sentiment in the community at large. Or with other African Americans. Yes. That protect and serve is something that applies to other neighborhoods. It does not generally apply to the neighborhood that they live in because that's not the capacity they see the cops in. The cops are not there often to protect and serve. They are to drag somebody out, they are to kick a door in, they are to cover a murder, they are to arrest somebody for drug.

But they are not there often. I'm not saying that it's always the case. Don't get me wrong, there are no alternatives. But what I'm saying is, if you live in a poor area, irrespective of color, your relationship with the police is not the same as if you live in a nicer area. It just isn't. But now, I know a lot of particularly like LAPD and stuff, they're going to great lengths to sort of investing the cops into the community, you know, which is what you got to do. You

got to make them community members. Absolutely. Old school police work, what Ruben Greenberg did down in Charleston and why they wanted him to be the police chief in Los Angeles. And it works, right? It works pretty much. It has worked in the past in the test cases that I know little about because I know little about this, but in my experience, yes.

So that's on the cops. They got to do that. So Ferguson did not do that. They also didn't have a representative ethnic makeup of the corpse. Yes. So that was the House of Cards, right? Yeah, Yeah. That relationship, that sentiment in that community is not the new thing.

It's been there forever. This is the inciting incident. Yeah. Yeah. Like when something, when you, when everything is great, right? Yeah. And a bad thing happens, you go, Oh my God, this is really horrible. And you feel really bad, but that's not your experience. That's the exception, not the rule. When everything is always this, then it reaches a point where you go, enough! That's the inciting incident. So I'm saying that we have been looking at

inciting incidents as late because there was Trayvon Martin and this kid who has skittles, and the police say, don't pursue this, you know, George. He does it anyway. That person winds up dead. Conviction, no. So there are people who obviously felt a certain way about that, right? Yeah. So, now let's jump back two years ago on Rodney King. Same situation. Guy gets hit 50 times or plus by four police officers, two go to trial, neither is convicted, the riots break out, Reginald Denny dies in the midst of that. He nearly dies.

I'm sorry. He gets a shit beat out of him. He didn't die. He gets the crap beat out of him. I'm sorry. He gets assaulted in a very aggressive way. Yeah. gets it's assaulted in a very aggressive way not dice uh... but how how do these circumstances they seem to all mirror each other in a real well you have i i i on a louis you have multiple young black men over the course

of the last couple years that have just been shot that but it cost and and i i that i can't to me it's not week we keep discussing the color of it and that's not really what it is exactly. That's a portion of it. What is it? A portion of it is the relationship between these individuals. There is no conversation. The community and the police do not have a relationship. I would argue that LAP as as as compared to the way things were say when Rodney King was beaten and

by the way way LA has improved Oh, yeah, no question. Yeah, and and if you look at then it's still far from perfect Oh, yeah, but but if you look at the I mean the Rodney King thing looks in the rear-view mirror It looks worse not better. It looks worse. It really looks Cuz I knew Rodney very well and when Rodney drank he was he was a maniac. He did not deserve Rodney very well and when Rodney drank he was a maniac. He did not deserve that. He really thought he was going to die. He thought for sure that he was going to die. Sure, absolutely. What a horrific experience. And he is a lovely man, truly a lovely man.

But I look at that and I go, look at how all of that got politicized. I mean it was racialized from the very beginning. But here you got a guy with a substance abuse problem who got himself in a bad situation. Some other guys who certainly acted in a horrific way. Certainly in a horrific way. But we could never get to that conversation. Because we were never having a conversation with each other about anything. We were all just yelling about it. It was all in camps and races. So we never get to the conversation. So for me, my bucket challenge was about first trying to listen

without prejudice, because that's really hard to do, to remove your crap and listen. And then to love without limits, because every one of us has somebody who's racist or sexist or something in our family who we love, and we love them unequivocally without prejudice. And we do not want, there are no limits in our love with that person. We don't want anything bad to happen. And to what I call reverse the hate, which is that if you can love the racist or sexist or whatever the ist is in your family, then you can learn the love of the one that isn't in your family like that other person in that family does. Figure it out.

And wouldn't you be more likely to change that person if you were engaged with them than if you were yelling at them, so to speak? Certainly easier, you know, more... Honey works better than salt. It just does. Yeah, that's what I've never understood as organizations that want to destroy people that have different opinions, opposed to, let's bring them in, let's change their mind, especially if they seem like an ally.

And my thing is, even if you don't change their mind, their right to life still exists. Of course, and to speak their mind.'t change their mind, their right to life still exists. Of course, and to their speak their mind. To speak their mind. So although I do lately, I've started to think about the limits of the First Amendment around hate. I don't think we should have the right to spouse hate. I really don't. Because right now, at least.

But what's hate? Well, that's a whole other thing. But here's the problem with hate is it incites action, it incites violence. And that's the part I have a problem with. It's one thing, it is the equivalent of yelling fire in a movie theater because people get hurt. The harm principle, as it were. Yeah, and I don't know, I think we...

John Stuart Millivue. Yeah, I'm not a utilitarian, but I have some utilitarian ideas. I accuse you unfairly. Are you married now? I am. Do you have kids? I do. How many kids? One. How old? Four. Ooh, right in it. Have fun. More coming? I hope so, but I leave the important decisions to the boss. Of course. Goes outside. Yeah, come on.

I don't want to stand over here and give the impression that I'm in the decision-making process. I'm not. How'd you guys meet? We met at my boy's 30th birthday party in Vegas. Your boys? Yeah, one of my good friend of mine. Wow. The most sin in the botchery party. I am ring leading. She saw you at your worst and still you together. The Armageddon of it all then. We met there and hit it off and yeah, man, it went from there. How long have you been married? I've been married now for, I think my daughter is four, five, six years. I want to finish the bucket challenge. What was the effect of your version? Did you get

the message out? Do you feel like you accomplished anything with it? I do. Because what I consider accomplishment is one person saying, I'm gonna put apathy in a bucket, whatever the thing is I wanna change, and seek to change it. So when, you know, the young man sent me his bucket challenge with voter registration cards in it and said, this is the way we can affect real change. In Ferguson, these are the people that turned out to vote had they turned out to vote they would be able to have more of a say in the community so it goes both ways that conversation you vote you can speak with your voice at the ballot box which I think was a fair criticism of the of the community that now feels maligned but it

was a powerful message and you know tick not hon followed me on twitter which was mind-blowing for me to get you know message from him that said you know uh... thank you for your honesty which for me is high cotton coming from tick not hon uh... you know the the man who educated martin luther king and gandhi about the principles of non-violence uh... you know just to be acknowledged by someone like that is did you respond? I've favorited and retweeted. I didn't want to say nothing stupid back then.

He's a Zen master. I didn't want to embarrass myself. Wow. How old is he now? He's in his 80s, I think. Wow. 88? 88.

So, yeah, so that was powerful. It was so interesting to me that I found myself asking, and I actually interviewed a couple sheriffs and stuff and asked the same question out here. I said, when I write a cop, I'll just question them, like, you know, they're just dudes. They're just trying to do their job. Which is why I wanted to become a part of the police force. I was doing a film and I went through that process, you know to be like hey you know everybody doesn't show up here because they're an asshole a lot of some people show up here because

they actually want to help I'd like to meet those people and sort of see a little bit of the POV that they see every day obviously I don't see anything close to what they do right but I wanted to do that so you know I did that and you know and some reason I joined the NRA everybody here can't be an asshole. I'm sorry. It can't be that way. That's not real. I found people who were compassionate and concerned about some of the same things. I found people who did not value those things and valued other things. You know, I found the same thing I find in my, you know, in my family. You know, some people I agree with, some people I disagree with. So, but I didn't find, you know, demons, certainly, you know,

and I don't think when Jackie Robinson crossed the color line and changed the nature of professional sports and baseball, you know, had he not done that, then Major League Baseball would just be the demons. But in joining those demons, he came to know them and understand that they came to know him, and now to look at baseball in that manner would never be the same, and it has affected great change. So if you truly feel that strongly about it and you truly want to change it, join it. Well, that's an interesting strategy. Where'd you learn that?

Oh, I'm from a long line of country folk. I learned it from my great-grandfather. That's the way Alexander the Great settled or conquered. He'd make his soldiers go and marry all the Persian women and bring them back and infiltrate. Darrell. Exactly. There you go. Problem solved. My great grandfather used to tell my father a great story. And my father takes great pride in telling me this story, which I will share with you. So my great grandfather's name was Bud Kahn. McKinley Kahn was a real name but you had to call him Bud Kahn. And Bud Kahn worked for this white man who paid him $52 a week. And he would every Friday count the money out for my great

grandfather which drove my father crazy that this white man was counting the money out as if my grandfather couldn't count. Right. What would your grandfather do for him? He was, they worked, they shovel coal. Wow. Here to there, you know, hit the tither and yawn. And so after my father complained, they complained like, Paul, why you let that white man count that money for you? Fuck that white man. Finally, our great grandfather said, let me explain it to you like this.

Every week he counts $52 out to me. And every week his count is correct. Not a single time has his count been wrong. Now if he was truly trying to screw me, he probably would have counted wrong one week because he doesn't know whether I can count or not because I never bothered to share that with him because maybe his intentions are not as you see them. Maybe what he's trying to do is show me by counting the money out to me

that he is an honest man and yeah he might be talking down his nose a little bit in the fact that he don't think I can count and he ain't never asked but that's his experience not mine. It doesn't count for everybody. Right. He just has some kind of weird counting thing. What good do I have to tell him that? What's the point of telling him that and destroying the nature of our relationship? Do I believe him to be a racist? Yes. But do I believe him to treat me unfairly? No. Which one is more valuable? Him treating me like a human being or him being a racist? Him treating me like a human being is more important to me. That was the

lesson. And so my father told me that story always to say, never do things because you are concerned about how other people are going to respond and react, do things out of the truthfulness and kindness that you believe, and stand on that ceremony. It sounds like that's a story he told you more than a couple times. Oh my God. If he was to tell me this story now, I would be like, dude, seriously, I know the story, for real, I will smack you. You are my father, and I will snatch the life out of you right now. But if you tell me this fucking story. But do you remember first time we told you I do I remember a lot of his story

Tell you that why the way to tell the first I was hot, you know, I felt like I was being treated unfairly Where what how are we I was about? 14 15 and Some cops pulled me and some friends over and pulled us out and sat us on the sidewalk and we all african-american all that me Yeah, yeah, no, no, no one do was a one of my boys is Mexican. So, you know, but we were all You know minority. Yeah My yeah where there was a white cop. Yeah. Yeah the prototypical bad scene scene. Yeah, okay. Look, I know you boys got something in here and I'm gonna find out what it is.

That guy. So, you know, and I was mad about it, you know, and he was like, let me just point out to you that half the people you go to school with talk like that. That's just an accent. And those are some of your best friends. It's just an accent. That's an accent. So, I don't even know where you got this from.

That don't even make sense. So stand down on that one. Just comment. Orlando, I want to interview your dad. Screw you. He's cool. He sounds awesome. He's cool. He's funny. I mean, so that's how he talks though. It's not like he doesn't give it to you like it's a sermon. He like, ain't half your friends like, so what the hell are you upset about? He had an accent. He ain't like y'all, y'all be riding around the car acting a fool. That's what y'all do. I know that. So let's not act like y'all be riding around the car not acting a fool.

So he thought it was a couple teenagers acting a fool. He pulled over, but he had that accent. And yeah, he might have had something on it because he was a country black kid, or maybe he didn't. Either way, that ain't got nothing to do with you. Did that change your interaction with authority figures? It just made me not get all defensive sometimes. It just made me sometimes I'm just like, you could say something, but why?

So for a long time I just didn't say nothing. I would see it, but what was I going to say? I mean, I want to fight with you over this dumb shit? No, I don't want to fight. I really don't want to fight. So I joke about it because it makes me laugh and because it's so stupid. And it's funny when you really think about it, you know, that shit is funny to me. I truly think human behavior is funny and one of the funniest things is when we get

our panties in a bunch about something and you know and with the words get mixed up you know i mean yeah out you don't i was slapped somebody right now what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what loud. Like that kind of madness comes out of that crazy anger and sanity of this life. So it's interesting to me that I found myself in the heels of the Ferguson thing going, why couldn't they be more like the LAPD? Literally, literally what I was saying, it's like, wait a minute in Los Angeles, we do low speed chases, lots of canine units, rubber bullets, and lots of electricity. But I don't see guns coming out very often. I just want you to know that right now there are 500 black dudes listening to this broadcast

who are yelling at everybody, you all understand, Drew? I'm going to slap somebody. I'm going to slap somebody. No, I get there not perfect, but I literally, and I talked to a couple of sheriffs. I was in a gas station, they were there doing, they were, I go, what are you guys doing? They were behind the pumps. They're like, we're looking for people that are texting.

While they drive by, there was like this guy. Oh, wow. Okay. And I go, well, how do you know if somebody's texting? We know. I go, well, what? And I had all kinds of questions from him. I'm like, well, what if I have to call the hospital, and I've got hands free, but I've

got to, I've got to hold my phone up, I've got gotta dial the hospital. He goes, you gotta have it up eye level, you gotta have it, and maybe I'm gonna get you still. I'm like, oh shit, what are the rules, man? What are the, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I went on, I asked him, I said. What are the rules? What are the rules?

I wanna follow the rules, I just don't know what, I can't get them. And I said, you know, am I right that in LA we're using less guns? And he goes, absolutely. And he goes, it's something to do probably in these smaller towns. You forget that every little town has to fund their own police and train and hire and fund their own police force. And he goes, all these towns, they can't afford rubber bullets and K-9 units and hella, none

of that stuff. So all this stuff that makes it safer, they just can't afford. But it makes you wonder, how did Ferguson, Missouri get tanks? Well, I wonder if they came from St. Louis. Who was like, send the tanks? We need, we need us a tank. Like, that's just the funniest thing in the world. They're like, what's going on? There's some dudes down there that are mad that somebody got killed. What are you going to do? Send the tanks! I'm sorry, what did you say? All right, we got to

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Something other than that song? Oh, yeah, absolutely. What else? Rare Singles is one of my favorite downloads. It's called Rare Singles? Yeah, T-Rex, Rare Singles. Let's play that for us, Chris. Yes, how?

Also, I didn't do the business. Be sure to keep using the Amazon banner at adamandockdrewshow.com to help us get back to zero and of course support the sponsors that support the pirate ship here at the Corolla Network. And by the way, I'm just vamping to give Chris time to find that T-Rex song. You sure that's the name of the song? Do it. Which T-Rex song? Yeah, the one you said. Oh, well hold on. I was just listening to the album, which is singles, but I will pull up a T-Rex song if you must have one.

Well, I'm just curious. I've just never heard another one besides. I don't think I've ever heard one. Really? Well, maybe I have, see? I just don't know. You have to have had, man. Oh, see look look up there on the wall on the computer hang on children of the revolution children the revolutions dope get that one I like that look at the video Wow come to the

what's the year on that, Chris? Oh yeah. Good! There's so many weird... I dare... I misuse this word, but sort of iconic songs. Is this 1994? No way. Really, they were out for a long time. Yes. Wow.

I was gonna say, I'd like Adam and I to interview sort of figures from the 70s. I told, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'd be cool. I challenged Chris and Gary to get us any of the cast and anybody who can help us with that out There any of the cast from the the porn film taboo to which is Adams obsession since he was like 17 Really? Yeah any of that cast anybody just we'll talk to them Yeah, anybody's I'll talk to them just just just kind of the slide and slide slide still alive He'd be interesting to our two. He's gotta be. Is he sober or no? He must be if he's still alive. I don't know, man, but I just wanna hear about it.

Like, between the music and... The crazy shit. Didn't, wasn't he with Doris Day? I think he might've married her at Madison Square Garden or something crazy like that. It calls out. Like, Sly, of sly in the family stove. Mary's Doris day in Madison Square Garden. Like, what? I'm sorry, that just blows my head open.

That is crazy. I had not heard that. I think that's true. Don't hold me to that. I'm interested in talking to you. I vaguely remember that that was one of those odd facts, but it might be fiction. We're going to take some calls in a second here. Chris, did I see, or Gary, did I see a call up there a minute ago that seems not to be up there right now that was asking the question? No. Oh, that was from last night or something?

I see. Well, it was an interesting question, I thought, which was just a simple thing for you, Rolando, which was where is a good place to do stand-up, right? Is that what that question was I saw? Where is a good place to do stand-up? Here. I guess in the country. Are there places you like doing stand-up, right? Is that what that question was I saw? Where is a good place to stand-up? Here? I guess in the country. Are there places you like doing stand-up? Gosh, let's see. There's jokes and notes if you're in Chicago. I think there's a Laugh Factory in Chicago

as well. I walked past an Old Town Chicago where the second city is. Were you in Second City? No, I wasn't. Yeah there's a right down the street there's a comedy club and I was looking at the names that were coming I was like whoa this is a... It might be Jokes and Notes because those are only two really down there. Was it recently? Yes about three months ago. Oh it might have been. Jokes and Notes and the Laugh Factory are sort of the two things. People say Jokes and Notes skew is more urban but the truth of the matter is that's not real. You know they just make

that up. But there are a lot of, I mean look, it depends. If you want to do see a touring comedian you need to obviously go to the Improv, the Funny Bone, and Comedy Zone and all those places. There are... Is that Chicago also? Those are all over the country. There are Improvs all over the country. So and there's Funny Bones all over the country. I mean I play a lot of theaters or go to a lot of colleges and whatnot. But there's tons of theaters also that regularly have comedy and then AEG has a bunch of traveling shows like Jim Jefferies and all that kind of stuff. So

most of it's still the club business. Who do you like now comedy? I like so many people who makes me laugh. Let's see. I think Kevin Hart's really funny right now. I'm enjoying Kevin. I've known him for a long time. It's really been exciting to see them. I mean, obviously, you know, there's Rock and CK and all those. There's a kid named Rocko who I really like a lot that I saw down at the Laugh Factory. A lesser known comedian, you know, a guy named Alex Scott who I think is really, really funny, Bill Burr, Jim Jeffries. Jeffries is funny to me. Man. That's good. That's a good list.

Who? Amy Schumer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm obsessed with her. I've been singing her. I really... Wait, I'm like seriously obsessed with her. Seriously. Look, Amy Schumer is funny. I want to meet her. I'm dying to meet her. I put the bullet in that. I'm obsessed with her.

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This is a little bit on the more serious side. So let's talk to Faith. What's up, Faith, 28, South Dakota. Hi. I just want to say that I've listened to you and Loveline, you know, growing up and everything, even Adam, back in the 90s. So I'm excited to finally talk to you. It's my pleasure. Good to talk to you. So I've dealt with like depression on and I'm sorry I'm sick right now. Uh-huh. Excuse me.

And when I was seven or eight, I was diagnosed with ADHD, but this was like back when everyone was and so I was in Ritalin. So I was on that for a little bit and it helped the focus, but it made me violent so... Whoa. ...you dealt with that. Yeah. But so, and then that kind of just like went on the backburner and everything and then there were like other issues that had dealt with, so I was in and out of counseling and I hated it. Did you have some trauma growing up, some sexual abuse or something?

Yeah. Okay. So here's the deal. When I just, I'm adding up the score and the score is, you know, lifelong mood disturbance, a recent diagnosis of ADD, ADHD, stimulants made you violent, history of sexual trauma. When I add that, all those different constellations up, and if I sort of try to get a unifying diagnosis, it comes up as borderline personality disorder. Is that something you've ever been suggested you have? No, when I was

11-ish, the psychiatrist diagnosed me as bipolar. Right, bipolar, borderline, all that stuff all kind of flows together. And even now they're looking at, one of the newer things that people are looking at is the attention problems that borderline patients have. They all have sort of ADHD and they all have severe mood disturbances. And so, and the fact you didn't like therapy, all that kind of adds up to personality stuff. So what's your question? Well, okay, so I went through my adolescents and I convinced them that I was fine. I knew the right answers to give them to just get out of therapy. And so, occasionally, like I would become more depressed and everything, and I would just kind of, you know, try to

talk myself out of it and try to just like push on and... Faith, how can we help you today? What's going on? Okay, so recently, well a year ago I had my third child and just there were a lot of like outside factors and I started like getting more depressed. It was probably over the summer that I realized finally that hey I should probably go talk to someone because it was to the point where I didn't want to get out of bed and everything else. And how long after the delivery was that? I had her in last September. She just heard one. How long after the delivery was the depression? Approximately.

Probably about like nine or 10 months. Okay. So it's still in the zone of postpartum depression, so okay. Yeah. So, but my husband, he doesn't really understand mental illness at all, and he just doesn't understand why I can't just like snap out of it and just get over it and then just, you know, do what I need to do and... Right. Well, here's the deal. You know, the postpartum depression can be really, really dangerous, very serious.

It can be harmful to your children. So you've got to get that treated. There's just no two ways about that. You've got to tell your obstetrician, you've got to see a psychiatrist, you've got to get that treated. That's a second big problem right now. The other problems are sort of a more chronic nature. I would strongly urge you to get involved with a therapist who does perhaps a different

kind of therapy than the ones you hated so much, maybe somebody that does trauma therapy and or dialectical behavioral therapies. What's the name of the football player in that borderline disorder? They got the green shoes. Brandon Marshall. Brandon Marshall, who was on this show, what episode was he on? He looked that up. He is an inspiration to people with personality issues like what you have, Faye. Truly. Yeah. And he, you know, he makes the point, look, you get the proper diagnosis, you get the proper treatment, you get better. And, you know, you just do it. And it shouldn't be that painful to do the treatment, by the way. It should be quite doable. So I would strongly

urge you, in addition to taking care of the short-term problem, the immediate problem, episode 89, Brandon Marshall. That's the Adam and Dr. Drew show, right? Yeah. So find a therapist who does this DBT. Find a therapist who has trauma, who is interested in borderline patients, who has trauma training, and get in there and don't worry about your husband needing you to snap out of it. You will get better, magically, with the right treatment and he'll be fine. You know, he may not understand why you're getting better, how you're getting better. How about, you know, we're talking about minority populations and, you know, Ferguson and stuff. It also occurs to me that how poorly served minority populations and, you know, Ferguson and stuff. It also occurs to me that how poorly served

minority populations have been by mental health services. Not just exploited historically, underserved, or badly served. Yeah, or not served at all. Underserved. And it just, but massive needs. And to me, that's one of the big issues to helping people underserved. And it just, but massive needs. And to me that's one of the big future issues to helping people understand that and get access to that help. Yeah, I mean, I really love what you said to her because it's really, her husband is saying how do you get better? It's really what he's asking.

He doesn't understand. I like that she understands it, he doesn't understand. Right, exactly. He's not angry with him for being ignorant. He's just angry like it's hard to understand. Yeah, it's hard to understand. So the fact that there is a clear path to get out. I did this episode of the doctors yesterday and that's kind of what it was about, which was go to the doctor. Like this idea that it's all going to magically get better and it hasn't over an extended period of time, that's not the right idea. Go get checked out. The thing I'm seeing now is this magical thinking of people get these, you know, get bad illnesses

and then go, I'm going to, like, Steve Jobs is a great example for me. He's like, no, I know better. I'm going to take care of it. Like, no, no, we have treatments. And they do, and they work. And if it's more than 60% successful and you want to do your own thing, you're fucking out of your mind and we should tell you that. Truly.

I mean, it's, you know, I'm the sort of crazy vegan vegetarian health guy. Good. And even still. Yeah, but if you had a really serious problem. But if you have a really serious disease, well, a lot of this can be cured. Modern medicine is an amazing thing. Go to the doctor. There's a reason, by the way, Eastern medicine evolved to something else, because people

died at 33 under the supervision of the wisdom of the Orient. Sure. So I have prostate cancer and I was diagnosed about three years ago, went on a surveillance program because it was very low grade and stuff, and it started growing so we took it out. It was good times having surgery. But as a result, I'm very involved with something called the Prostate Cancer Foundation, it's Prostate Cancer Awareness Month everybody. Go to PCF.org, put that up on the end of the night. And your wife is coming on to talk about the experience.

She's on the Drew podcast. Which I gotta tell you, I'm gonna be on that podcast listening, because I just wanna hear your wife going in. Now that everything's better, it's like when somebody trips and falls, you can't laugh until after you know they're okay. That's exactly right. She's going in.

And so we go back and revisit what it was like when we was in the first round. Mike, what's up? Hello, Dr. Drew. Mike, what's going on, buddy. Drew. Mike, what's going on buddy? Longtime listener, love your show. Where in Connecticut are you? First time calling? Broughton. Broughton. Okay, what's going on? So I was a heavy marijuana user for 20 years and I've been clean for over a year now with the help of a therapist.

And I really haven't been getting any better. I've been told I have dysthymia and they want to put me on meds. I want to know what your thoughts are on meds. Well, dysthymia is sort of like a chronic depression, basically. And for dysthymia, that's an interesting question. I'm not a huge fan of antidepressant medicines. They do save lives in certain situations and are extremely important. When you look at mood disturbances, the outcomes, when you do outcome studies, they're always, the superior outcomes are always a combination of talk and antidepressant. But you're in talk therapy, you had all that pot. Any trauma stuff that may

be contributing to your mood disturbance? Not that I really know of. Yeah, I'm sorry? You're investigating that therapy, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, I've been in therapy for a long time. And yeah, I haven't really... No, no, nothing. Were you ever addicted to anything else? Some opiates maybe. Have you ever thought about going to... And this may sound oblique, but addicts, people with the actual, you know, true addictive disease, and you know, we can argue about where the marijuana addicts fit that category specifically, but with your opiate history, we go, oh, drug addiction. Drug addicts who are not supported by a community like a 12-step community and are not doing steps commonly have depression

and anxiety, even in therapy. Now, I don't wanna, and this is not to diminish the importance of therapy, it's just I've kinda seen that and you're looking for alternatives to medication. You might look at some 12-step program and see if, because that, just being able to be deeply understood by people who understand you, your condition, your unique biology, what you're struggling with, how it feels, how much you, your condition, your unique biology,

what you're struggling with, how it feels, how much you love your drug and how much you miss it. That really tends to be very, very helpful. So there's that. You can look at that. I do a 12-step program. Medication, I don't like the idea of medication as a long-term solution. And Dysthiaemia is kind of a chronic thing.

So what would their plan be with the medication? Well, I actually meet with someone to prescribe me some medication in a week from now. Well, you can always try it. If you don't like it, stop. There's no harm, no foul. And sometimes I have lots and lots of people who might. Does he go to a 12 step?

No, it doesn't sound like it. He doesn't talk to a 12 step. I've been to meetings here and there, but not committed. I just think it might help you with some of the smooth stuff. But my radio partner, Mike Cathwader, we do Love Line together. He is very much like this Mike. He has dysthymia, but he has dysthymia

from having hurt his brain from all the drugs he did. He also has a trauma history. He also was a severe drug addict. And him going on medication changed everything. And sometimes it's just restoring the brain back to normal, you know, from all the injury. But I sort of have mixed feelings about it, Mike. I don't know. It may be worth a try to see if it helps you in the short term. I don't like the idea of long-term medication for someone like you. I love the idea of you doing therapy. I like the idea of 12-step. You know, these are all very individual personal decisions, and it's about creating the right mix for you that works for you. So, I think the important thing, you know, the easy default position is, you know, you've got a therapist that knows you well,

follow his or her direction for the time being and give them a chance to treat and see what happens, okay? Yeah, that's great. All right, buddy. Thanks, Dr. Drew. Love your show. Take care. Bye.

All right, listen, Orlando, we've got to wrap this up. Okay. But I'm going to invite you back for one more Adam and Dr. Drew show. I would love that. You can stay and be Adam for one more time. That will be. Drew show. I would love that. You can stay and be Adam for one more time. That will be Sunday's show. Those of you that want to know more about Orlando, go to OrlandoJones.com, follow my Twitter at the Orlando Jones. Or Google the word asshole and you will also see my picture pop up and you can also learn a lot about me. We didn't even talk about

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