The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #185: Cigarettes vs Soda

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Adam and Dr. Drew take some calls from a nursing student with a question about addiction, a father who got some questionable advice from a doctor and someone who wants Drew’s opinion on an elective surgery. Adam also uses a prop from his upcoming movie ‘Road Hard’ to illustrate some of the struggles he deals with in his everyday life.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Also, I use a prop for an upcoming movie, Road Hard, to illustrate some of the struggles I deal with in everyday life. Enjoy. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. No choice, but get on man. They get on. Thanks so much for supporting the show. No choice. Yeah, no choice. Sorry. Thank you for telling a friend and thanks for listening in we got a bunch of phone calls lined up this time

So probably get right on into that Mangria back and flowing at paroladrinks.com new formulation. It is scary good now, Drew Wow reverse osmosis of what? Well, the thing that gives it its kick is the brandy And they give it a reverse osmosis. Nice. Oh my god. And if you want to support us you can keep using the Amazon banner at AdamandDrDrewShow.com

and help me get back to zero. Also you can click the PayPal button. Subscribe. It's good juju. Yeah. Uh oh. Drew's phone's blowing up. Nice huh?? Mm-hmm. Where's my phone? Not here. Interesting how that works. You must be so important. He's a doctor. Thank you, Chris. That's right. Hiding behind that.

Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. All right, we have your phone calls. We have some things to discuss and we'll get into that. First, we'll start. You like a call up there, Drew? Start with line one. Line one. John, 42, Texas. What's going on? Hey, how's it going, Adam? Good. Dr. Drew, how are you? John, thank you. I wanted to get your medical opinion and of course, Adam, I wanted to hear your opinion on this. My daughter, a couple years ago, she was 16 at the time, we went to a oral surgeon to have her wisdom teeth taken out. Everything was great, she recovered just fine, went back for the follow-up and issued the whole time she couldn't have any soft drinks, you know, Dr. Pepper and stuff. I jokingly made a joke with the doctor saying, yeah, she's, you know, excited to have this done so she can

have a Dr. Pepper finally. And the doctor looked at me and looked at her and he told me straight to my face, he goes, I would rather you smoke than drink Dr. Pepper. And I kind of laughed for a minute thinking, okay, ha ha. And he was totally serious. He gave me about a five to ten minute lecture on how damaging Dr. Pepper is and all this. But for him to tell my 16 year old child that he would rather smoke, it just, it upset me and upset

my wife. I didn't say anything to him and I've always wanted to hear your opinion. Sure. You should always speak up when a physician says something crazy. How crazy is that? Pretty crazy. Unless, unless, I want to know what he said. Well, is your daughter overweight?

She's 16. Not at all. Not overweight at all. Again, she doesn't drink a whole lot of them anyway. Is your daughter overweight? She's 16. Well, not at all. Not overweight at all. Yeah, she doesn't drink a whole lot of them anyway. It was just yeah. Okay, Drew Where is your Mason? Dr. Pepper Dixon line and then Mr. Pibb came in the room. He's very upset Where's your Mason Dixon line on cigarettes to Dr. Pepper? Hold on, John.

Wait, wait, wait. Let's work this out. You have a daughter. You had a daughter. Yeah. She at some point had a weight issue or an eating disorder issue or something like that, sort of publicly talked about a couple years back or a year back or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

All right. She still writes about stuff. So your daughter, what? She still writes about it. Still writes about it, okay. I think that we can agree that you would rather have your daughter smoke one cigarette a day versus have a 12-pack of Dr. Pepper a day. Oh, don't give me that pussy's pause. No, because I could go...

One cigarette versus a 12-pack of Dr. Pepper a day? We have pretty bad vascular disease in our family. It depends if... 12 pack of Dr. Pepper's gonna make you fat no matter how long. So regular doctor, regular doctor, has to be regular doctor with sugar right? I'd say so, yeah yes. I would say I think this is what he's not talking about Dr. Doc,. Yeah, diet. Dr. Pepper Really you're fucking doctor. Are you shitting me if you were saying one cigarette a day zero But a 12 pack of dr. Pepper day and you're fat it's it's but the point is it's it's close We can't even conduct this fucking experiment this experiment has become a charade even conduct this fucking experiment. This experiment has become a charade. True. It's not close at a 12-pack.

Why do you ask me if I fucking can't have an opinion? Don't lie! So just say... Don't lie. Listen, it's not... One cigarette a day is neither here nor there. A 12-pack... Not if you have a real tendency for vascular disease in your family, because it can really... How about the morbid obesity? That's not going to hurt your vascular issues? Yeah, but you can adjust to that. You can not eat as much of other stuff. You

know, I mean, you can adjust. Okay, so she's going to have the 12 pack of Dr. Pepper a day, and then she's not going to be able to have any sustenance. She's going to do it on a treadmill. All right, so let's agree, because you're not going to accept anything else. Well, I'd like an honest answer instead of a knee-jerk reaction to cigarettes. I could go like every other day or even once a week. Okay then Drew's right. So six pack, no, twelve pack, twelve pack of Dr. Pepper a day. Regular Dr. Pepper a day for your daughter versus one cigarette a day. Use a physician say twelve pack Dr. Pepper. Okay, it's clear. I heard six pack. Twelve pack. Alright, so push. That's a coin toss. I heard six pack. 12 pack. Alright, it's a push. That's a coin

toss. Coin toss, yeah. You're insane. Alright, so fine. I have no opinion. No, it's an invalid opinion. Okay, well, I have the therefore. You don't have anything to back that up. That's insanity. There's no other doctor that would, they would all take a cigarette a day. Okay. I was hoping we'd start at this and I'd work my way up to maybe four and a half cigarettes a day and down to like a six pack of Dr. Pepper, but we can't even, this is not a starting point. Okay, all right. You just walked into the Bentley dealership and you said, I need something, but I can't

pay more than 500 a month. And the guy with the boutonniere said, good day. Good day, sir. We have nothing more to discuss here. Okay, well anyway, the point is taken for this guy, for John. So let's go back to him. It's the same thing. So John, was he talking about just from the standpoint of oral surgery and recovery from what she was going through, or did he have something else more global he was talking about? To me, again, it sounded like he was just totally against soft drinks, and I understand him being a dentist, you know, and of course, he's very well known, he was recommended by some other

people. I just felt, I mean, of course, his feelings are that strong, you know, I guess if he was a lung doctor, he'd say, drink all the Dr. Pepper's you want. But again, to me, as a parent... Well, John, what would you rather have, your kid? I'm going to give you a choice. I'm going to give Dr. Drew this choice. Would you rather be a fat kid or a smoker, if you had a choice? You're asking me? Yeah.

My opinion is invalid. Well, obviously, yours is invalid. John, what do you do? I guess I'd have to say a smoker. Yes, thank you. They live longer and they get laid. Yeah, they might be happier. They might get a little exercise.

Fucking... You're buying all the bullshit about obesity and sugars and stuff like that. It's way overdone. Way overdone. I have 90-year-old obese people I take care of. Lots of them. Well, not lots of them. I would rather, first off, I think heart disease is probably the number one killer in this country.

And if you don't get diabetes or hypertension related to your obesity, the obesity itself does not cause heart disease. I don't know, but it seems like every study I see or if it gets reported at least is being fat is about as unhealthy as smoking. But then there's a whole nother part that's attached to it which is a social part. Yeah. That's bad. Which is not being able to hook up with people. You know there's a stigma and fat people don't get hired as easily job interviews and you know it's likely to shorten your life. Being a fat chick and going through college has

got to be fucking torture right? Yes and I'm not saying it's not going to shorten your life it is it probably will. It probably will it definitely will well that's what they say now there's a new thing where somehow the skin well anyway listen. What now what are you saying Mr. Second answer? No they say that being underweight is healthy. Well, that's been on for a long time. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay.

All right, anyway, John. Thanks. Well, you don't have to be upset. What are you upset about? Just don't do it. Right, well, anyway, on the way home, we talked about that. I told her, you know, and of course, her mom told her too, you know, of course, you know, on the way home we talked about that. I told her, you know, and of course her mom told her too, you know, of course, you know, this is a couple years ago and we laugh about it now, but at the time I was like, yeah, I totally

disagree with him, you know, and anyway, I've always wondered and I wanted to get y'all's opinion on that. Well, I think to me it's a matter of I, as the sensible one and the honest one in the room, will speak frankly to an adult named John 42 from Texas if it's one dr. Pepper day versus a pack of cigarettes a day I'm going with the one dr. Pepper day if it's a six pack of dr. Pepper day versus Five cigarettes a day. I'm gonna have to stop and think about that because that's a lot of fucking sugar going through your system and that kid's gonna be fat. Everybody I know by the way who lost weight, Bald Brian, number one on the list, every single time you go

how'd you lose the weight, there's two ways. They either had the surgery or they just went stopped drinking soda and started walking. I lost 20 pounds. That was about it. And had none to do with sodas. Well first off you're different than most I'd say from a metabolistic standpoint. I think I made that word up. Because I'm impaired that way?

No, you just have a little, your system is probably better and different and responds differently than your average average bar. I'm that MCT, by the way, the honored people very kindly sent me some MCT oil because I'm talking about it. I just got some of that too. It's fantastic. That's what I use to control appetite and stuff and it changes my metabolism a little.

Thank you. Now, anyway, the people I talked to either had the surgery or they stopped drinking soda and started walking. Soda seems to be this weird contributing thing because they don't look at it as dessert, right, and they don't look at it as, oh, you know, at the end of the meal they're walking around during the day with this thing in their hand and that's part of the problem. They wouldn't eat a donut. They sort of know, don't eat a donut, it's noon, right, I'm bad on the weight, but yes, I'll have another soda.

The same thing is true of fruit juices, though. Absolutely. I try to tell people that all the time, that how much sugar orange juice has in it. But anyway, so I think this doctor was using some hyperbole to make a point. And I think it might have something to do with his oral training. It has to do with staring into rotted tea,

not caused by nicotine, but caused by soda. But anyway, John, what do you do for a living? I'm a fireman. All right. So you don't have to, you know, she's gonna do what she's gonna do and I'm sure she's not gonna smoke and she'll be fine. I just want to know if there was a situation where she was drinking a lot, you know, an excessive amount of soda. That's why I would have said if I were him. Right, and that's what caught me off guard is because she wasn't overweight then, she's not overweight now. She doesn't drink a lot now.

She was overweight. She wasn't. She wasn't. Oh, okay. Then it was, I think what he was, I'm guessing he was using smoking as a hyperbole pejorative to say like, I would rather my kid get into mixed martial arts than play, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's trying to think of something very dangerous, very violent, very whatever. I think he was using an extreme.

I agree. Okay. So we can get on with our lives. Please. Tara, one cigarette versus a 12-packet. I'm gonna guess Tara Hi, which is it? It's Tara. Yeah, right in between I win tie goes to the road

Adam when thank you. All right. I just want to say it's such an honor to be talking to you both again Love the toping forum. I really appreciate it. When did we last speak with you? Recently after you guys came to Newport, I called with a question. Newport, Rhode Island. Yeah, but I went to the Newport show and I met you guys and then I called. I think I remember you. You were good looking.

Well, I was drunk as well. Yeah. Okay. You were with a bunch of people towards the end. I remember that. I was drinking that Mangria. Yeah, you were. And by the way, remember at that venue, everybody was. They were serving it in cups like this, these giant, they were red cups. Pouring big tumblers of it. It was crazy.

It was very fun though. And the mangrove was delicious. They... Hold on a second, Tara. What goes on, Drew, in life? When no one listens to you? Is that what you're... Well, mangrove did not formally exist, right? I invented mangrove. So there is no, well, this is the way my grandfather poured mangrove and his father after him and by cracking, I'll be doing it the same way my forefathers did it. Or this is how we do it in Rhode Island.

None of that. None of it. Yeah. You came in and said, here's my drink, here's how you pour it. Every time they're instructed, you get a rocks glass, you put some rocks in it, and you pour about three, four ounces, and that's pretty stiff. And this was basically just take a huge tumbler and just gunk, gunk, gunk, gunk, gunk. It was like a beer glass.

It was like beer. Just poured it up to the rim. And it was like dangerous. People would waste it at this. The greatest one is when I went out to the place that was in like I don't know Redondo Beach or whatever and it was a mangrove tasting party and I showed up half hour late everyone had poured into the place was tasting mangrove and I said, I rolled in with Mike August and I said, just give me a regular mangria on the rocks,

a plain mangria, and Mike said, give me a white, white mangria, peach pear. And I got a thing, which I'm not exaggerating, had muddled grapes, had sprigs of, it had sprigs of mint. Like thyme. Mint, muddled mint. Rosemary.

Grape, mint muddled. Soda, like a little splash soda water and a big glass. Oh my God. It was literally clear. Yeah. A little red hue to it, whatever. And I said, where's the mangria? It's a mangreya tasting party. This is how the bartender's doing it. And I said, no, this is a mangreya tasting party. Where's

the mangreya? I just ordered a mangreya. Now look, if you want to call this a fucking dick slapper and make your own fucking shit on your own fucking time. That's fine, but this is a Mangria tasting party. And I got ex-assistant Jay and I said, what's up? And he said, yeah, this is how he's doing it. And I should go fucking tell him no! It's not how you do it. This is a Mangria tasting party. It has nothing to do with Mangria. Oh, this is how he's pouring the, he's making his … That must have been an uncomfortable conversation. Oh, Jesus.

Here's a conversation I have with everybody, including my wife. Unfortunately, they don't know half the time I'm talking to them, but they don't know which half. Here's what I say. I've had it with Gary. I've had it with Matt. I've had it with everybody. Everyone is fucking stupid. Everyone is stupid. But you're not. Although half time I mean they are.

But they don't know what half. So it's okay. Like when I say I like one of my twins. We don't know we're talking about the boy. Sure. So it's okay. Right. Like when I say I like one of my twins. Right. We don't know we're talking about the boy. Sure. Well, some of the time.

Huh? Yeah. All right. The point is this. Everybody is fucking stupid and they're fucking horrible at their job. But you are not stupid. And thus, you need to get between stupid and whatever they're fucking doing and make sure they're not doing it.

Did you say that to him at that moment? Yes. What did he say? I feel horrible. I was like, don't feel horrible. Just don't let it ever fucking happen again. This is not what we're here to do. The thing that's insane about all of this, to me, is there's only one thing to do.

It's what I tell you to do because I invented the fucking thing. And it's not because I'm tyrannical, it's just because I wouldn't know how to fucking assemble this or do that or do if somebody told me, look, if somebody said to me, hey, I need a, I need a make-a-flander drink, I wouldn't go. Okay, I'd say what's in it? I've never heard of that. I don't know how to do that. Tell me how to do it and then I'll Oblige. Yeah, who what is the part where you just go off and do your own thing? I know half of it is you jacking off into my fucking punch bowl filled with mangria and

Everyone's a fucking individualist and everyone's a jack-off and everyone's got a put every fucking dick sucker out there's got to do I'm gonna put my own flavor on everything fuck you your own fucking flavor on everything shut the fuck up this is my flavor I invented it you want to get your put your own fucking flavor on something put your own flavor on your own shit don't put it on my shit this This is mine. But who fucking just sits there and goes like, what are we going to do? What are you going to do? Tell them to go get a fucking rocks glass, put three ice cubes in it and pour three ounces of mangrove in it like I fucking told you.

What's up, Drew? What's going on? I don't know. It's a weird sort of... Maxipada, what's going on? I can't know. It's a weird sort of... Maxipatta, what's going on? I can tell you. Why do I run into a ton of this when it's so fucking insanely simple? Well people like to think for themselves.

I'm asking Maxipatta. I couldn't tell you. I do see it happen to you, but I don't know. I can't speak for them. Does it happen to everybody? I'll tell you who, it happens to everyone who tries to do something. Yes? Okay. Somebody does something separate on their own and people have to rub their shit on it basically.

Well, it's comical. We should show the before picture. It's pretty funny. Of what? All of the glasses? The drink? No, no. I'm laughing and speaking out of turn a little bit here. But if somebody wants to run over to the other shop, they can grab from inside Nate's office the poster of close quarters. And I can show you the before and the after of close quarters. And then with Bryan Cranston. And that's all I'll say for now. He'll go get the poster. And this is an example of somebody fucking up your stuff.

Just sort of saying, I'm going to go off in this direction for no... inexplicably, I'll just go in this direction. I'll just go in this direction. And it's a bad direction, but I'll just go in this direction. That's... A lot of people don't know the difference between, and this is kind of a reasonable thing, between executing somebody else's vision and helping them actualize that versus your own vision for somebody else's stuff. Understood, but that's...

People don't know when to trigger one or the other. They don't see this as confusing. Right, but riddle me this. You explain this. And then I'll talk to Tara. Come on now. Alright. When we were at the, when I was shooting my movie Road Hard, at a certain point we're shooting inside of Jimmy Kimmel's theater. And Jimmy Kimmel's, was not Jimmy Kimmel, he was not the movie, but it was J. Moore. J. Moore was the undisputed

king of late night. He was number one in late night. And when I got to the set that morning, I saw the coffee mugs on the desk of the undisputed king of late night network. By the way, in the movie, he's used as an example of incredible success in the late-night world. Yeah. I think Johnny Carson. Okay. The two mugs they had on the desk, one was sort of tartan, sort of plaid looking, and the other was just blue cobalt. Oh. And I said, what are these mugs? And the set dresser guy said, those are the coffee mugs for the guy and the guest for the late night show. And I said, there's no such thing as a show that does not have the name of the show on the mug. And you can go to Dr. Drew's show, or you can go to the daytime view type shows, or you can go to late night shows.

Come here. Or you can come here. It doesn't exist. In the script, it just says, you know, the King of Late Nights thing with the coffee mugs and the microphone and stuff like that, and he said, well, these are the mugs I rented. And I i said you've rented you've rented these mugs i rented them i said well i have eighty of those mugs sitting at the fucking shop that you work out of their just mugs that literally

just a blue ceramic coffee mug and then one that's inexplicably time look it's planned like this is to draw the eye to it and i said what is this? And he said, these are the mugs. And I said, okay. First off, ironically on Hollywood Boulevard, out in front of the theater, you could turn left and go down to storefronts and get a fucking coffee mug for six dollars that had your name on it. You go online and order for these things for six bucks a piece last week.

Yep. Put the name of the show on it. Yep. I didn't. I said, but you go to the internet, you go to the internet, you type in late night show. Why isn't this individual, I don't know if it was, why isn't, why are you going through all these incarnations, why didn't you just go, you're right, got it, I'm right back.

No, there is no right back, we're shooting now. So but why waste the ATP, you know, on the energy. Because I'm trying, now. But why did he let you even do that, why didn't you just go take care of a boss, you know. He can't. He can't change it? You can't change it? There's a mug store next door.

Yeah, but it's going to take two hours or two weeks or there's going to be lead time in putting your logo on your ceramic mug. I mean, there is no, we're shooting now. We don't have, oh, all right, everyone's, you know, hey, all 30 people take a breather, we're gonna go order some ceramic mugs. You know, I mean, I don't know if it's eight in the morning and the place isn't open.

Maybe I use a little hyperbole, maybe it'd take a day to get your mug, or you'd have to go online and get it in three days, or whatever it is. But the point is, these are just weird ceramic mugs. Now, is there a late night show, a daytime show or a morning show that exists that does not have the logo of the show on the mug? No.

Does not exist. Does not exist. Times 30, whatever number shows there are. Times 300. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. I remember doing your show, we had the the mug the handle put on the other side

So because you held it up with your right hand or the left hand or whatever it was But let's have the logo facing out. Yeah kind of thing. Yeah. All right, that's where we're at now in my wildest dreams, do I think I need to tell the person to have the name of the Name of the guy in the mug or don't bring a plaid mug in here That's where we're at. Did you just get rid of them? Just like no coffee mugs? I think I did.

Yeah. And the microphone he rented was the size of my fist and cost $5 and looked like it came out of a Soviet class sub from the 50s. And it's like, this guy's the king of late night. Yeah, that's the mic they had. I'm like, you got to get rid of it night. Yeah, that's the mic they had. I'm like, well, you gotta get rid of it then. It's no good, take it back. There's no, we'll have nothing now.

Which we did, and that's the way it went. Now I'm gonna show you a poster, and Drew, before I show you the poster, I'll show you, I will show you Brian Cranston's version of it. In the movie, there's a thing that goes on with me and Baby Doll Dixon, where he says, I got you basically an audition for a show called Close Quarters.

And I said, that piece of shit sitcom on ABC? And he said, that hit piece of shit sitcom on ABC and I said is it a single cam, multi cam? He said single cam, multi cam, who gives a shit? You know it's a big hit. So it's a ABC primetime sitcom hit and I said is that piece of shit about that family that lives in a submarine? So it's a ABC primetime sitcom called Close Quarters about a family that lives in a submarine? So it's an ABC primetime sitcom called Close Quarters about a family that lives in a mothballed submarine in Long Beach. Got it.

Okay. The poster needed to be hanging behind the head of the guy who was auditioning me. We went ahead and had to digitally remake the poster. Because it was so shitty what the guy did for you? Well, it was confusing more than it was anything. But I'll show it to you. And it was a woman, and she was French, and she was great. Rough Greens. Sometimes in life, you want to get to the truth, you've got to crunch some numbers.

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Well, show the Brian Cranston one first. What do you mean, Brian Cranston? What do I mean, Brian Cranston? I told you, I had to digitally remake. Oh, he's in it. Okay. I had to digitally remake the poster. Okay, got it. Okay, this is what you did. Right, because it's a shitty ABC primetime sitcom about a family that lives in a submarine your poor kids

Jesus Christ So I brought so hold on a second Gary So what do we have we have Bryan Cranston? Yeah, we have the Wife that's blonde. Yeah, 20 years younger than him and a little too good-looking. We have the young twins and the angry teenage son. That's the ABC primetime... And the porthole. The...

Right. It's the primetime family that lived. Now the only information that the prop person has is the script. It's the only information they have right and the script says piece of shit ABC Family sitcom family lives in a submarine. Yeah, all right. That's what it is And here it is, we will we'll show you the poster and you can go to Adam and dr. Drew show.com go to adam and dr. Drewshow.com. Go to adamanddoctordrewshow.com.

Now Drew, hold on a second. Hold on. You see the matriarch, right? Yeah, looks like a librarian. Alright, the dialogue for the scene that then follows, focus on me for a second, Drew. I'm trying to understand what I'm looking at. Focus on me. Alright. focus on me for a second true I'm trying to understand what I'm looking at focus on me focus on me the dialogue now the comedy of the scene is something I don't know if you've run into but I've run into it

before the comedy of the scene is I come in to do the audition yeah and you got the super gay guy who's reading with me, he's the casting guy, right? And the scene is between me, Gus the maintenance man, and the hot mother who lives in the sub. So the whole, the dialogue reads where I go in and I go, you want to talk to me, Mrs. Waterman?" and she goes, please call me Marina. Quietly one of my favorite jokes of the movie, but no one will ever laugh. And then I go, then she says, is it hot in this submarine or is it just me? And then I, we do a bunch of double entendre stuff and then I say, oh Mrs. Waterman, speaking of leaky torpedo hatch, that blouse, that button on your upper blouse is begging for mercy. Or I say speaking of

torpedoes, that blouse. It's this whole sexualized double entendre. That's the dialogue in the script. Would you like to look at the woman in the poster? Could you describe the woman in the poster? A young-looking 70-year-old in a Victorian sweater and a collar up to her chin, and wear glasses and a hair back in a bun. Could there be anything to a black labrador? Anything less sexual? Yeah, I'm just trying to understand if there's something about the French that this sort of means something to a French person. This's a prime time ABC sitcom about a family lives in a submarine How many how many how many men are on that in that post one two three four five six six six six?

one seven Fruit why do you go under and why do you go? Why do you round down for everything? I wasn't rounding down. I said how many men are in that poster and you said six. I miscounted. Why would you miscount down? Do you ever think about that? No, I normally exaggerate, so you're fucking wrong. No, no, no.

Not when it comes to my points. How many men are in that poster? I only think about you when I'm counting. There are eight men in that fucking poster. There are eight men in that poster. There are eight? One, two, three, four, five, six. Is that, that's a male? This is? Is this a male? Yeah. Okay. There's eight dudes who look like computer programmers or homeless people that are living in that submarine. Does this look like a primetime sitcom about a family on ABC that lives in a submarine?

No, you can't even understand what it is. Okay, now listen, I like this person a lot, but the bottom line is go online, find TV shows that star Jim Belushi and see what primetime sitcoms look like if you don't you know what I'm saying. Yeah, what do you? It's just but just like the main Gria muddled drink. What are you basing it on? I know This is did you ask her? I'd love to talk to her like what were you thinking? What does it mean? I? Trying to make something funny She's a good person and generally good at her job, but here's my old point. What am I supposed to do?

All I can do is write the script and say primetime sitcom. There's another example of primetime sitcom. Gary, good though. Get one that's got a family. We've been modern family. We all know what that looks like. Get a fucking bad sitcom about a family, Gary, not the single chick. What is like, get another Bryan Cranston. No, don't get another Bryan Cranston.

Get a shitty, alright. What would shitty be? Get an ABC family sitcom. Goldbergs. The Goldbergs. So 28 times. Just get a fucking fan. Alright, now where were we i'd read but you understand what we're yes craig how's it work i don't prefer that without this one of trouble explaining uh... and hung up on terry there on the way right around

terror gary why are you showing a sitcom that stars one check a good head keep keep going to the signal Okay, go ahead. Keep keep going. Let's ignore him. Go ahead Tara. No, I'm turning it toward Gary now Tara. It doesn't have to be on. I want to talk to Tara. I really want to talk to- Gary, it doesn't have to be on tonight. It can just be could be 10 years old. It doesn't matter. It's just a shitty Okay Chris, you may have to intervene here.

He's pulling another picture up right now. But he pulled selfie up. Here it is. Sorry, it was the most recent sitcom you and I had discussed, so it jumped to the front of my mind. That's my mistake. You and I have talked about that show and how it's an example of a shitty sitcom. You brought it up a week ago and I said, huh.

Way to go, Gary. Keep thinking that everything in your life was all about Adam. That's good. You're always thinking about Adam. What you do, you think about Adam. That's my mistake. Way to go, Gary. Family, family, family life will fall apart. That's good, you're always thinking about Adam. Now what you do, you think about Adam. That's it. That's my mistake. Way to go Gary.

Family, family, family, family. Here it is Goldbergs, there you go. There you go. Okay, Goldbergs. There you go. That's it. That's what it looks like. What do you got?

You got a son, you got a daughter, you got the teenager, you got the wife's a little bit too cute for the husband, right? Yeah. Blonde? Yeah. There are 250 examples of that on the internet not that Gary found one but you know what I'm saying all right what what I'm saying is Drew's why not okay so you don't know so you just go the internet and go on ABC sitcom yeah Friday night family yeah I wonder if she

I don't know I've talked to her I'd love to know what's going on her head I like her Tara but not that thank god you like her. Tara. But not that. Thank God you like her. That was what you'd be saying if you didn't. Tara. Yeah? Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Okay. So I am a New York student and I'm doing some research for an assignment and saw something in a book that as soon as I read it, I heard Dr. DeWyk's voice in my head and just wanted to ask you, can it, it's just a sentence. Do you want me to read what it says? Please, go ahead. So it's about, it's an intervention for assessing pain and discharge planning. And it says, reinforce that taking opiates for pain relief is not addiction and that addiction is very unlikely to occur. And then the rationale says the development of addiction when opiates

are taken for pain relief is rare. And that's cited by the American Pain Society. Listen, you are...you better toe the line because if you don't, you're walking on dangerous territory, both medical legally and from the standpoint how you're going to be assessed and graded because the wolves are in charge. The wolves are in charge. Here's the really appropriate thing to do is to go make sure there's adequate pain control, acute pain control because there's no evidence that opiates are useful for chronic pain. It's never been shown to be true, although they're used all the time, and people keep saying that, oh no, no,

anecdotally it does work, thy patients are better. Here's the question you should ask is, have you ever been addicted to alcohol or any other substances? Is there a family history in first-degree relatives? If the answer is yes to Ila's questions, we're going to be very careful with how long we continue these medications, but in the meantime, we certainly want your acute pain controlled, and opiates are excellent for that, so let's make sure you get enough to control your acute pain. That's the appropriate way to do it, but it's not done that way anymore. Why not?

I'm glad you noticed that because it's so complicated, I'm not sure I can describe it in a paragraph or a sentence, which is that opiates became very popular for the treatment of chronic pain at one time and people thought they were doing something good and they ended up creating a bunch of people on workers' comp with back pain, you know how it goes, hyperalgesia ensues, back pain is a source of chronic withdrawal, these people never get better, they become immobilized and their lives are ruined by opiates. And all the while, all along, people have been trying to document the utility of chronic opiate use, never been able to be showed for chronic pain. How, when I hear back surgery, eight out of ten times, I think, wide

or unnecessary. Yes. Is that an estimation that you would have? I evaluated a case yesterday where I saw a really serious back problem where it was anatomically nasty. There was motor effects and sensory effects that might become permanent, that really were real and really substantial. A very good reason to go have a surgery. And yet, A, overwhelmingly probable, it will get better by itself. Or with therapy. Just by itself, time. Oh, okay. Oh, I don't know how old this person is.

Younger, but even with therapy, it'll get better quicker. Wouldn't you want to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not... Therapy. You're shitting on my point. Thank you. No, I'm not. I'm just... I'm curious that... Yes, you might do some therapies, yes, but. I'm, I'm, no, but I'm wondering how much stretching and weight lifting and, you know, focusing on that kind of stuff works. It's a structural abnormality of the,

so you really want to just rest this one. But this is a young person. Young person. Okay. Time. And by the way, the surgery might fuck things up too. And it might not get better even with the surgery. So the surgery will probably make the whole thing get better quicker, but not necessarily change the outcome. That's in a clear situation where surgery has some indication. And right. So we don't like the surgery. And as far as the pills go, I mean, what do you think?

Do you think this is just Big Pharma just sort of realizing that they're moving kajillions of units of this stuff? I think it's my profession. I think it's... But are they in bed with pharma? How? How do they make it pay? I don't know. There's the good old boys way of you. They used to do things. I don't know if they're doing it that way anymore. All that's completely illegal. The only way the doctors make money is by seeing the patients and doing procedures on them, which of course if they're in pain and chronically ill and always coming back and they're... How much of it is just the person wanting that and the doctors just acquiescing? Of course it's that, a lot of that.

All right, let's talk to Jim, 49 from Phoenix. Jim? I have to recommend a book to you. It's called The Other West War. The Other War? Have you heard of it, Drew? No. It's a name, The Other West War. Well, let me just war the other have you heard of it through no It's a name the other West war. Well, let me just read the back to you. Wait, are you saying quiet? Are you saying West war?

West WES more General the name it no. Oh, I'm thinking Westmoreland. Yeah me too. That's right I know it's let me read the back to you. Two kids named Wes Moore were born blocks apart within a year of each other. Both grew up fatherless in similar Baltimore neighborhoods and had difficult childhoods. How then did one grow up to be a Rhodes Scholar and the other end up convicted murder serving a license? Drew could look at the image up there.

New York Times bestseller. Yeah, well how did that happen? I'm only 50 pages in but I am completely compelled by this book because the Westmore who became a Rhodes Scholar, his father died naturally. And? The Westmore, and this is just in the prologue, the other Westmore, he didn't even know who his father was. And the Westmore who wrote the book said, quote, I was taught to remember my father but never question. The other West was taught to forget and never ask why. Yeah. And that's before the book even starts. Right. That's very compelling because the Westmoreland up in prison, his mother had two kids, I think before she was 18 from two different fathers. Well, she didn't say fathers, two

different men who were never fathers. Yeah. And she's sobbing because yeah, Ronald Reagan got her Pell Grant that would get her into college. Well, and so I hear Adam on one hand going, well, they'll have the two kids, and I hear Drew on the other hand saying, what is the government, how can the government help us by getting us to school? And so far the book is not preachy. It's exactly, this is what happened. Fact, fact fact fact well first off rest easy young Jim from

Phoenix because Elizabeth Warren is now in the case she's going to take care of all this shit I love it's always great when the people who are in charge are looking around going who's in charge here what are we going to do about this like uh that's... That's you. It's you, honey. Been in there for a long time. So, what do you want to do? Jim, the idea that we must sit around and debate the, not necessarily the merit, but on what an intact family and community and education has on a young child with the insane retarded people from the Huffington Post is insane to me. I'm also going to bet one of these kids was physically abused, too. Maybe, maybe not. But the point is, the notion that this is a subject of debate,

and what I'm saying is, is what I say is, it's all you need and it's all there is. Everything else is partially by the side of the plate. And what the HuffPo people say and what Elizabeth Warren says is, not so fast. There are many other circumstances that factor in to a young child going right or going wrong. And I say, yes, there are many others. There are 10,000 other circumstances that when you add them all up, don't add up to shit.

They add up to nothing. There are many, many, many, many specks of dust that do not add up to the two Olympic size fucking plates that I have on my side of the seesaw. There are 200 million specks of dust that you guys would love to talk about and never stop talking about that don't add up to the two fucking big dumbbells that I have on my side of the seesaw, which is mom and dad and a focus on education. By the way, it's repeated, it's shown over and over. For folks that want to do nothing but cite statistics on global warming and third-hand smoke, here's some signs you

could get into, but you choose to stay away and go a little more anecdotal on this one. Not sure what the plan is, other than looking like a hero, but the idea that we even have to discuss mom and dad being together intact, focus on education, it's weird that it's that there's a debate, that there's somebody that's saying, yeah, but still, yeah, but still, and you're sitting there going, hey, you want to lose some weight, diet and exercise, whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, but still, yeah, but still. And you're sitting there going, hey, you want to lose some weight, diet and exercise, whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, but still. No, no, diet and exercise, yeah, hold on, not so fast. Oh, certainly you don't. I mean, you can find, hey, Gary, you can find me on the HuffPo maybe having that little school to prison pipeline discussion. And there's a lot of,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, but sir, and then, by the way, I love the super condescending laugh, okay, so it's that easy. Okay, so it's that easy. It's not that easy. It's that simple. It's difficult. It's almost impossible. That's the problem. But I'll tell you, one thing it's not. One thing it's not is complex. One thing it's not, just like diet and exercise, is not complex. It's very difficult. A lot of people have a problem, a lot of temptation out there, a lot of difficulty with kids staying

away from sugary this and soda that and don't-eat-this. I understand. There's many, many of those things, but it is not complex. It's simple if you want to know the answer. And if you'd like to take a look at a couple cultures that focus on that, I will show you some successful cultures that focus on that. Pretty simple. I would argue, and I don't want to shit on your point, because your point is good. No, look out, world.

But listen, that there are simple elements within it that should be applied that are the overwhelmingly important elements that are simple to do. Yeah, Jim. It's a complex thing, families and relationships and stuff, but there are simple elements in there that should be emphasized, like keep the kids, keep your eyes on the kids, do their homework with them. Yeah, and we will... the problem with me reading a book like that is twofold. One, I don't read.

I know, I'll read it. Two, all you're doing is telling me what I already have known and have never stopped knowing since Drew's known me, yes? Yes. Don't have the kids, if you can't take care of the kids, have the intact family. Now... Did you think about that stuff before coming on Loveline or did you learn it immediately on Loveline? No, I looked you always do this. I had this well first off and Jim. Let me say this I believe and I've said many times there is a huge difference in a young child's brain think about this drew

Yeah, dig two kids named Wes brain. Think about this, Drew. Two kids named Wes, Vietnam veteran and great general Wes Morland. No, two kids named Wes, both without a father. One died a war hero in Mig Alley in 1967. The other living in Florida and started a new family. Both without a dad. Both never will see their dad, both will never receive support from their dad, two completely different mindsets in a young child's mind. You know what I'm saying? So it is important to say one is daddy's dad, the other is daddy doesn't give a shit. That's important, a very important element. No, Drew, I had the luxury of going to an insane school where a portion of the kids were Jewish and lived up in the hills. Speaking of culture, they've

overcome a little adversity in their existence and still are, everybody, everybody's parents were married. Everybody. It was incredible how it was uncanny that all the Jewish kids' parents were together, and all the goyim, the Chris's and the Ray's and the Me's and the Chris Harden's and all the other, the white trashers from the valley, the parents were all divorced. Yeah. Raised parents got divorced later than ours, but all divorced, all living in like apartments, and nobody was doing homework, nobody's parents were showing up for parent-teacher night or conference, nobody was, and there was nothing. And I just looked at that group, and I looked at this group, and I was like, are you kidding me? And by the way, the Jewish family, for the most part,

was never more than two kids. It was actually almost always just two kids. It was weird. I could go through the ten families, and the ten families were two kids with maybe one that had three kids, but just basically that was it. Father mom hustling you know where's your homework where's your homework where's your homework and then everyone went to Cal Stanford and UCLA and we all clean carpet and it was at that tender age of 18 where I went oh I oops I get it oops shit rolls downhill ends up in North oops, I get it. Oops. Shit rolls downhill and ends up in North Hollywood. But I got it at that point. I looked around.

You're looking at a guy for me who's arguably smarter than your average person who had letters of scholarship to play at medium sized decent schools and never took the SATs, didn't know how to do it. There wasn't anyone around. Wasn't brought up. Wasn't discussed. Is this the prison to school pipeline? Yeah, it's very complicated, Drew. I don't know if you know about this. To give you a good answer as to perhaps what he thought maybe some of the systemic causes

are that- Add zero. Add zero. This is Gavin Newsom. Minority groups in positions where they are more likely to live in poverty and be graded by these types of things. I gave him the answer, which is family and education, we can all get out of this mess, and he said it was much more complicated than that. But then...

What is a little more complicated than that than just saying family and education? Not much. Oh, but come on, I mean, it's a system, right? Oh, come on. The system. Where it is much harder to get out of a certain income bracket if you're born into it, if you live in a certain neighborhood. That's right.

That's why you have to focus on family and education. I mean, I'm not Christian or anything. You're not going to solve everything. It would solve everything, yeah. Just family and education? What about the drug war that we have that's failing? What about the school to prison pipeline? Things like this. The school to prison pipeline, if you focused on education, I think would interrupt the school to prison pipeline.

Well the problem is that schools are maybe not focusing on education so much as they are on reprimanding children. Okay, well listen, you can keep going. You don't have to agree with me. You're going to fix it. I was curious as to, you know, what else you think the solutions are. Families intact, focus on education. Not that I come from that, but I have seen it.

And I did see it. You did all right. I did all right, yeah, but I have white privilege, you know. No, my family's divorced. How hard was she fighting me on this? I know. That can't be that simple. What about the other things?

What about the drug war? Did you persuade her at all during that conversation? Fuck no. Oh Jesus. By the way, if she gets persuaded, she loses her gig. You think she wants to lose her gig? She has to sit there and lie. By the way, what would be okay for her kids? Certainly wouldn't be anything close to not being educated. It would not be okay for her

kids. That's for goddamn sure. These people are all hypocrites. How hard was she fighting me on it? Ridiculous. Well, what did I, what about the drug war? By the way, what do you mean, what about the drug war? What the fuck? You want me to, I don't, yes. You want me to solve the drug war in nine syllables? All right, we'll agree to disagree. Family and education? Where does that land? Number seven and eight in the top ten? Or is it one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one? What are we talking about here? Yeah, I mean, what about the systemic what? Get rid of trauma if you could not traumatize kids. There'll be less drug use, that's for sure.

Fuck yes! There'd be way less demand for drugs. These kids that I'm talking about, the Jewish kids from up the hills, you think they're junkies? There'd be no demand. You'd get rid of the demand, then there'd be no way getting their heads cut off in Mexico. I thought it was our fault for the demand, isn't it our fault? The drug, people are dying in Mexico, that's our fault for the demand, right? Well, have families that are intact. There's not, there's not abuse yes no trauma okay how hard was she fighting me constant okay what's her point she doesn't have a point it's not just a job she has to keep on a bullshitting

network yes Jackie Jackie 30 hey I've got a like my whole life, my back has been... Hold on. Hold a second, Jackie. How many offers, what did she offer up as an alternative solution to my offer? She didn't, thankfully she didn't offer anything. I mean, who knows what that was. Well, she had as many answers as Gavin Newsom has. They don't have answers.

Their answer is you're wrong. You're oversimplifying. Well, I would argue that, again... What is her... What was her answer? It's too simple. She knows I'm wrong. Yeah. Good. When we're talking about fucking driving to the Bay Area and you want to take the coast and I say no, guess what I then come up with? We're taking the grapevine.

Yeah. I don't go no. Yeah. I have an answer to what you think is your answer. Her answer is the same as Newsom's. No answer. Their answer is to attack your answer and explain that you're oversimplifying things. I'd like her to provide an answer. I'd like Gavin Newsom to provide an answer. They don't provide answers They shit on your point and look like heroes. I know them to be hypocrites Jackie Hey my right nut

There's always been bigger than the other one and about a year and a half ago it's well left the size of an orange and I went to the doctor and apparently it filled with fluid. And it's kind of a bummer and uncomfortable, but other than that, it's not that big a deal. But anyway, the doctor said I could get a surgery to fix the problem, or I could periodically drain it with, I'd take a horse needle and stab myself and empty it out. He has you drain it yourself? No, this was my idea. No you do not drain it yourself.

I would. No, no. He would drain it for you. I learned from Adam. No, please, Jesus Christ. The humanity. Well, I mean, it'd be a... Alright, so you get the surgery.

Get the surgery. It's called a cystoseal. It can affect fertility sometimes. Go get the surgery. It the surgery. It's called a cystoseal. It can affect fertility sometimes. Go get the surgery. It's simple. It's not a big surgery. How about the cock-to-balls pipeline, Drew? Certainly.

Certainly. Certainly. By the way, how's family and education going to interrupt that pipeline, Drew? Vast deference R&R. Do you understand that I said family and education? She said what about the school to prison pipeline? It would have been a worthy conversation to go how do we do that? Because I'm still not entirely clear. You want to interrupt that pipeline though. When she say education and family? It would be good. Would it have

some effect? Too simple Adam, too simple. What about the pipeline? Do you realize what these people, they don't even know what they're saying, do they? Does she know what she's saying? She's saying there's literally a pipeline. What isn't my solution the only solution to interrupt that pipeline? How big a difference would my solution be for that pipeline? If we could get people to do it. Overwhelming. Yeah.. Oh, forget about getting people to do it. Let's say we did it. It would be vast. Huge.

Okay. Well, there's the answer. What about the pipe? Listen, Drew, they have his talking points that have nothing to do with anything. I know. Systemic, whatever. I know. Pipe to prison, pipe to...

They don't have answers. I know. She asked, like, they yes fucking yes All right, oh You know the problem with college it makes people it yeah, I'll tell you the problem with college You're not gonna like this Okay, the problem with college is it makes it gives people the illusion in hubris that they're smart and Can and can win arguments They can't it locks them into a certain kind of thinking sometimes, you know, what wins arguments being right? Yeah

That's what wins arguments almost impossible to win an argument when somebody else is right But the folks that are too highly educated thinks they're just going to take their diploma and win that argument. Alright, thank you very much. Thanks for all the support. A lot of live shows coming up. You can go to AdamCurl.com and some Mangria signings and things like that. So just go to Corolla Drinks and AdamCurl.com and find out. You can probably get rid of the calls if you like. And support the show by going to... Where, Drew? What do you want people to do? Go to the Amazon banner at adamanddoctordrewshow.com and I guess you can click the PayPal button

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