The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #219: Tait Fletcher with Guest Host Mike Catherwood
Episode Date: May 8, 202603/06/2015"Tait Fletcher joins Dr. Drew and guest host Mike Catherwood to talk aboutfounding Caveman Coffee, competing in mixed martial arts, and how to deal withdepression after rejection."S...ee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky.
You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.
Get it on. Got to get it on. No choice but to get it on. Mandate. Get it on.
It's the Adam and Drew show without Adam.
Adam. Adam is on the road promoting Road Hard, ironically.
Yeah.
Mike Catherwood, my co-host from Loveline and also our KBC program here in Los Angeles.
So nice to be here, dude.
So at 90 a.m.
Mike and I geeked out last, earlier on the week, over Max Shank.
Max Shank.
And exercise and diet.
And it's beautiful abs.
And now we're going to geek out even more.
I'm actually kind of trembling.
I'm a little concerned about this podcast because Dr. Drew might be so overwhelmed with love.
It's Tate Fletcher.
It's Caveman Coffee.com.
Cavemancoffee.com.
No, no.
I'm sorry.
And Caveman Coffee Co.
Is the Twitter handle.
Yeah.
Undisputed
Fitness.com.
Nuevo Servesa.
That's something I didn't know anything about.
What is that?
It's a microbrewerve.
A friend of mine is a beer
aficionado, and he needed some help starting a brand,
and so we started Nuevo Servizo to New Mexico.
All right.
So there's beer, but I'm into your coffee.
And you can't...
Tate brought this Santa Claus bag full of toys for us.
Well, you've got to bring gifts when you go places, right?
You don't understand.
And then he had me.
bury my face and some blueberry-esque Ethiopian coffee, and I've not, I, yeah, my pants.
Yeah, it's gone.
Dr. Drew.
It's like a motorboat for coffee aficion.
Well, what you don't understand, Tate Fletcher, is that you've many times made him wreck his pants with poop from overdoing the caveman coffee.
He just wrecked his pants with jizz because he's so happy.
Yeah. Tate's Twitter, Twitter handles at Tate Flescher.
There's also Deuce underscore Jim.
What's that now?
It's a, a, a, gym I'm with here.
in town and then my home gym is in Santa Fe, New Mexico at Unspeaded Fitness is a place.
So we came to your products through our mutual friend Keith Jardine.
Yeah.
He was the last one.
Yeah, my partner in this.
He and Lacey Mackey and I started Caveman Coffee.
And he was very kind to you.
He really was very complimenter by how he sort of, as I recall, he was sort of putting it all on.
Yeah, he's kind of that way.
I mean, he's a real gracious fellow.
He's too nice to be a professional fighter.
Well, it's too nice to be the pictures that you see of him.
It's like you Google an image of his and you're like, you expect a certain kind of guy.
Yeah, I saw him fight Ellis Mania.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, you were in his corner.
I was in the corner and scared the shit out of him.
I mean, just being in the vicinity of Keith when he starts fighting.
I hadn't seen him like that since we used to spar and like what, like, it's, I just can only imagine how Jason must have felt.
And I texted him right after.
I was like, you're a savage, dude.
Way to get in there and get after it.
You could see his second thoughts in some of those matches.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
No second thoughts in that.
He loves to get wrecked that guy.
No, second thoughts in the round against me.
Ellis? Yeah.
No, that was the limit.
I think he exceeded his limit of love for being wrecked.
I mean, I figured if you're over six feet tall and you're a professional skateboarder, you'd love to hit the cement like that.
Yes, that's right.
He just likes his whole life.
He's like, I love these concussions.
I want to keep him coming.
But even he, I saw it on his face.
He was like, no, he was like, no, what have I got myself in?
Did you see your, well?
you, of course, saw your eye go after him.
Yeah.
And that was the asshole that said, hey, don't worry about this guy.
The next one, small guy didn't take his jeans off.
Those are the worst guys, especially because there's so much for him to lose.
He's like, this is a big man.
If he connects, because Jason can box.
Look at this.
This was us in the corner.
Awesome.
And that's poor Jason.
I felt so bad for him.
What are you saying to him?
I'm saying, dude, what can I do?
What do you need?
Because he's just, you had to be a little out of sorts.
Like, what am I was watching?
Well, yeah, there was that.
But I was watching very.
I was watching very carefully and going, hey, listen, if I really see the head get too badly hit here.
But Jason is a great defensive fighter.
Right.
He's, he's, I don't know a few experiences, but stuff, you know, gets, very few guys.
No, Drew, I didn't experience it because he didn't try to evade any of my punches at all.
He just laughed when I hit him, slush with the right cross, and he just laughed me and then spooked me around.
If I had seen Keith or Griffin, Forge Griffin, Land something.
Yeah.
I really directly, I would have been like,
I'm not so kind.
I mean, he's like, he got excited about it.
He was really glad to have done it.
But, and, you know, he's like, you know, that third punch or the fourth punch,
he's like, I never threw it.
Like, I wouldn't, I just, you could see it coming and then he'd just moving around with him.
Well, Eddie Jackson and Keith were talking with Yerai after the fight.
And they're like, you know, I wanted to get in there and not, you know, I didn't want to sell out.
But at the same time, I also didn't want to.
I could tell that the guy was going 10 rounds.
I didn't want to.
But L.S. also kept bringing it.
He kept coming at everybody.
That's what Keith had said before when he'd sparred with him out, I don't know, eight months ago or something.
He was like, you know, the guy, when it gets to be short time in the round, he's coming after you.
And he can box.
And so you have a couple of choices there.
You can see the picture we're just looking at at Adam and Dr. Drew Show.com.
I want to hear the – I've got to read a couple of ads along the way here.
And I want to hear the story of Caveman Coffee.
And I want to talk about, you know, what people can find there.
The pirate life, man.
But it's such a great product and such a great brand.
Thanks, man.
You guys have actually changed my dietary patterns.
You know, you really have changed.
Change your life.
That's not a joke.
I didn't want to say it quite that dramatically, but in a weird way, yeah.
Yeah.
Change what I do every day, you know.
So the way I feel about it.
Experience to be in, I mean, to be in the learning of like, oh, here's a new fresh thing about life.
And I thought I was dialed in.
And by the way, we live in a world when I've been a coffee drinker for my whole life.
And I've been, I like it.
I enjoy it.
And, you know, Starbucks to me was a good progression in terms of my dietary habits.
And, you know, we live in a time when all the data suggests that caffeine is not only, or coffee is not only not bad for you.
It may have held benefits.
Pretty good for you.
Yeah.
As long as you're in, and even in, not even in small amounts, in moderate amounts.
You can still probably.
There's a lot of so-called facts that aren't in collusion with the truth, you could say, you know.
Well, in terms of the, the maybe, the reduce, certainly no significant.
adverse effect.
Right.
For sure.
Or is there something you know about the data?
I don't.
But there's no causation with cholesterol and heart disease, for instance.
Or there's all these things that people draw allusions to for monetary benefits that aren't necessarily there.
And so you've got the whole country on statins.
Right.
You know what?
There's a lot of that.
Let me just, I'm going to put.
Sure.
I have to comment on that because somebody said that to me last couple days, too.
And so it's been on my mind.
Yeah.
I take a statin, too.
And the only thing I know is I know what you're saying, and it's actually true that there's no direct relationship between these cholesterol findings and the heart disease issue.
There's been an overenthusiasm about that.
But my friends that are cardiac surgeons, 10 years ago told me they went, you know what, since we started putting everything on statin, we don't do bypass surgeries anymore.
We used to do bypasses three or four a day.
Now we do three or four a month.
And some of that is the roteruter.
Some of that is the wires and the state.
And then also some of that is the statins, but then also.
So it's like my friend, he's giving himself diabetes, right?
Yeah.
Later in life.
And so he takes insulin.
And I go, hey, man, I could show you a way that's satisfactory, that's really
sating that you would love to eat where you wouldn't need to take insulin anymore.
You could control your diabetes with your food.
He's like, ah, I just really enjoy what I'm eating so much.
Why would I change it?
I just do it.
And so there's that.
There's a lot of guys that are on statins that are like, the doctor said this.
I don't need to educate myself more.
I'm good.
Yeah.
You're right.
People love a pill.
It's a short cut for some people.
Sure.
Tams.com, bitch.
Yeah.
How did Cape Man Coffee get going?
Well, I work in films a bunch, so I am on and off.
And Lacey Mackey also, one of our partners, works in films.
She's a trainer to, you know, the elite movie stars of America.
And we started a coffee truck.
We've both been really super-duper into coffee.
My friend Logan Gelbrick had sent me a message.
about the benefits of butter and coffee,
and we started looking around,
and I've been friends with Rob Woolf for a while,
who's kind of the...
It's a palaeo solution guy, yeah.
Start with the butter and coffee,
because that's where a lot of this hits the road right away.
Right.
Where did you hear about that?
What was that in data?
So Rob was talking about it a bunch,
and then people that were having adverse effects with milk
had been messing with it a little bit
and blending it into lattes.
There's a guy...
Yeah, Dave Asprey, of course,
of the bulletproof lore.
is a guy that had started really vocalizing it a bunch,
and then I got super excited about it.
He encountered it in the Himalayas he found.
He's got a lot of stories.
About the yak butter and all this stuff.
I was like, just be a fat guy that changed your life.
Don't pretend you're a scientist.
You're doing great.
But at any rate, yeah, whatever.
Okay.
That's one of the stories.
I mean, they did do that trekking through the cold
and to carry the least amount of supplies
and get the most benefit out of the nutrition value of them.
What I started doing was I used to fight professionally,
and so when I finished up with that,
I started getting looser with my diet,
and you start to get free a little bit.
And you go, okay, I don't have these superstitions about,
like, I need to be dialed in like this to make weight on this day,
and people go through a lot of different superstitions, I guess,
in order to do that.
Rituals, right?
It's a big deal, right?
And you don't want to miss weight,
and you don't want to cut weight wrong.
So when I finished, I got kind of free a little bit.
And I did the zone diet.
I did the paleo diet.
And I did them all like 100%.
I'm not like, well, I'll see if I can get a little result.
I'd known enough in my life that I need to jump in both feet if I want to have a result.
So you're the kind of person that can do these things fully.
Yeah.
You don't have a problem doing it.
Which one am I going to do?
Well, there's either doing it or not doing that.
There's not a fully.
Yeah.
And it's like if it takes 10 steps to get to the wall and I'm only willing to take eight steps,
I never get to the wall.
You know what I mean?
And so knowing that, I just went into these things.
And so I was on a film called Two Guns.
I was in Louisiana.
I'd heard about the butter.
I was just shaking it up into Nalgaeen thing, like grass-fed butter.
I'd gotten really into grass-fed meat and moving away from the corn industry and read
some books about that and whatever.
Can I interrupt you for a second?
You used to be much more into that stuff.
It was a couple years ago.
I had grass-fed sirloin for breakfast.
Okay.
So keep going.
I love that.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
So anyway.
I felt like I was getting leaner the whole time.
I was just scooping coconut oil and butter and coffee.
And I would drink that on my way to set because you get not such great food sometimes.
Well, let's slow that down because so you were using, so a lot of MCT oil and the coconut.
Yeah.
Butter.
Right.
Exactly.
Coconut oil.
I was using coconut oil.
And then I was using butter fed cow butter.
Yep.
And that's, that's, that's, did you have a mood effect with that too?
Totally.
So I've been depressive.
I've been, I mean, a lot of things throughout my life.
I've been, you know, I've got a lot of handles, right?
Since I'm a little kid, I've been manic depressive,
uh, schizoid typical, uh, like all these kinds of things.
Then a lot of stuff cleaned up in my life in my early 20s and all that shit went away
and it really wasn't that at all.
They go, oh, well, maybe you're kind of alcoholic or something, you know.
And so all those things kind of pass away, right?
And, and so I'd had some experience with kind of, um, looking at myself and, and being objective.
And what a weird.
It's so great.
When I'm 12 years old, right?
Oh, shit.
Shit. That's insane.
You know, no offense, but doctors don't know a whole lot.
They just have some stuff that they say.
They're like, oh, you've got, I mean, it's like we give most of the world, what, how many people, 40% of the people are in antidepressants right now in America?
It's insane.
Something fucking crazy.
And what do they say?
You've got a chemical imbalance.
Well, you would think you could measure that.
It sounds like something you could measure.
Yeah, but no.
There's just gas work and they're like, you know what?
This is kind of what we think it is.
Maybe take this one.
See how you feel in a few weeks.
Might cause suicidal ideations.
That's exactly what I'm trying to get away.
I mean, it's fucking crazy.
People don't know anything.
And so I started looking at food as like how to heal yourself.
And the more I took fats in and I stopped being insulin dependent, like blood sugar dependent.
Carbs.
Yeah, basically.
I evened out.
And I didn't have hypoglycaemia after workouts.
Like all that stuff kind of evened out.
And I felt great.
And so I ate a bunch of fats, a bunch of protein, a little bit of carbs.
Like I ate a gang of broccoli and squash and stuff like that.
Specifically, with the kinds of fats you were getting exposed to, though.
I wasn't.
I wasn't when I started.
I mean, just bacon and pork chops and butter and whatever.
Like, I just did everything.
Do you think that just elevated your mood, all that yummy stuff?
Maybe.
Yeah.
But then also, I got strong as fuck, and I got super duper lean.
And I thought, I got to be around 2.17 or something.
I didn't have a scale.
I was on location.
And I got home.
I was 2.37.
And I was like, wow, this is an interesting diet.
And then I ran into Keith at an audition.
Keith's Riding.
Yeah.
And I guess Lacey and I, we'd done a coffee truck.
We started doing that around town at different CrossFit events and stuff like that.
Jiu-Jitsu tournaments.
And so we just, like, in our off time, we're, like, kind of playing with it.
It was a horrific failure.
Like, everything else in my life, the biggest failures have turned out to be some of the greatest assets that I've had.
And it's just trying.
And so that was our first try at it.
Kind of palsy to do a coffee truck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You get to meet the nicest folks.
Like, basically the Mexican mafia owns all those trucks.
Nice.
And so it's an interesting time.
You know, they capitalized on weed and cocaine.
You'd think they could leave our coffee alone.
God damn it.
So anyway, I met Keith, and he'd had a real bout of depression
and some things were going on with his body and his last fights and his weight cuts.
And I started talking about what I was doing.
And so he got super-duper into it.
Then he met these coffee guys.
that were these roasters at the Albuquerque Coffee and Chocolate Festival.
And we got high as fuck on coffee together.
And we just sat there drinking espresso shots of this white bean that they'd roasted.
They're like, oh, nobody does this.
My grandfather used to do this.
And it was like it's what turned into our white, gold coffee.
No, best coffee in the planet.
Without question.
I'm not just saying that.
It's a different deal.
Although the shit with the color crossbones that he just handed me might be back.
Oh, it's so good.
That's the best coffee ever tasted.
And that's just to be done black.
I don't do, I mean, I'm adulterated.
That special reserve oil in it.
Sometimes I do, but I never put butter in it.
I mean, I did once, and I'm like, it just takes, it's so good.
It's so good.
So anyway, I got to be a coffee nerd, and so did Keith.
Like, I just eyeball shit.
Keith is like, he bought me a scale for Christmas because he really wants me to measure and weigh things.
And I'm just like, I'm just kind of not that dude.
But anyway, he dials it in, and he's got, he just put a year with Mathéo,
and he's, you know, into high-grade chocolates.
And so, yeah, we've got a bunch of different things.
We look like we're, I mean, there's me.
And it's all available through Kmartcafe.com.
Kmancoffey.com.
Yeah, me and Keith are in a warehouse in Albuquerque, New Mexico with all these big steel vats and contraption.
I mean, it looks, it doesn't look like coffee.
It's a real company.
It looks like, what are these guys doing?
Is it growing?
Oh, it's crazy.
It's been crazy.
And so we started this side business where we're like, because when I was doing it, I was like,
I got really into single estate.
single origin, high grade coffee. I'm like, I don't want to put any Starbucks in my mouth.
I don't want to, you know, I feel like we're all kind of really kind of bogged down by
corporatocracy for lack of a better term. And like, you get so many choices, they come in on the
Cisco truck. And I'm like, I don't want a homogenize world. I don't want my taste like that.
And I want to be able to support these small local farms. And I'm a real farm to table kind of
guy in that way. And also there's sort of a European model in a way, right?
Man, you know, until, and speaking of that, until I want, and I competed in Brazil, and then I went to Italy right after, and it was the first time I was really out of the country, really, really.
And I was like, I'd never tasted fucking fruit before.
Like, you taste the apple in Italy.
That shit is not the same as what I get here.
Like, none of it is.
And so I started thinking about, God, how is our food compromised by corporate greed?
And it truly is.
And so I started thinking about where my dollars are going to go.
And so I started like a little thing on Twitter, and I started talking, I've talked.
a lot and so I started talking about coffee and single origin coffee.
Dudes had hit me up from Tempey, Arizona, and they'd be like, here's my favorite roast,
send me yours.
And we just kind of had an impromptu coffee club.
So when I found this white coffee, I said, Keith, we got to just start sharing this with people.
And so we did, and we just started a website.
Lacey accidentally made it go live while she was building it, and then all of a sudden
we were in business and we're running downhill.
And so that's kind of- Who is Lacey?
I know who Lacey is our third partner.
And so Lacey Mackey is, she was a cross-flict game athlete.
and she's a, yeah, she's got one client that's a really high-level action star, famous guy.
It's, uh, it's carrot top.
Can she say who it is or is it just?
No, she's got, I mean, it's one of those things where we're sued a thousand different ways.
No, no, I get it.
But also getting back to what you were talking about, Keith, as far as, like, you know, I think that there's a reluctance.
And I went through this myself, you know, my wife is a full, like a legitimate hippie.
Like, she's not like a whole food's hippie.
She walks it like she talks it.
And, you know, when I, coming from, like, the world of bodybuilding and MMA and different martial arts, you kind of, you raise your eyebrow at, like, kind of these ideas of organic fruits and farm to, and farm to table.
But then the more you start to get into it, you know, as Drew was alluding to earlier, I got really into the idea of not, it's not just a piece of steak.
There's a difference between the smaller local farms that are going to raise the cow in a certain way.
And there's also a value to how certain products, if it's coffee or it's your car, how it gets to become yours.
And I think that like when you're talking about Drew, you know, the artisan idea is like a European kind of concept.
In actuality, it was, it was an American concept.
I mean, that's the way our country was built on the idea.
From Europe, though.
Yes, but my point being is that like we in this country have lost that.
And I love the idea of Caveman Coffee, how the idea is like you kind of get the sense that you know where it's coming from.
You know the people who are growing this coffee, packaging it, giving it to you.
There's a personality behind it.
There's like some artist and value to it.
Tremendous.
And there's a real pride in it for all of us.
And it's like there's other great.
I mean, that's the thing too.
It's like we get to a certain point.
We can roast so much.
I'm happy to show the next guy.
Like, well, here's what we did, kind of.
and please do this.
Like, I need everybody to try.
I want everybody to win.
You know what I mean?
And I think that that's the template
that we get caught in this idea of scarcity.
And then people don't even want to try
or else people want to dominate others.
And it's just, I don't think that the world works that way
unless you think that it does and then it does.
There's a weird thing, too, with that.
With, like, that kind of famine idea.
Right.
With entertainment, too.
I mean, do you ever notice that?
I mean, I feel like, you know, radio guys certainly are that way.
Comics, they get this.
What do you have a famine?
This famine, what is?
mentality, meaning like, if this guy gets this show, if this guy, this comic...
Then I'm not getting it.
If this comic gets this special, then I'm somehow losing.
Like, instead of the idea, like, we all can win, there's this famine mentality.
Like, there's only so much work to go around.
It's so silly.
And when I stop giving a fuck, I got so much work.
I mean, like, I'm me.
I'm a fighter that was, like, I've had a real colorful history.
And then I end up getting a SAG Award for Breaking Bad.
And then I end up, I end up living this life that is like...
like beyond what my capabilities are just because I'm in the room and I'm trying hard and I'm doing the thing.
But also at the same time, it doesn't matter.
It's like my goal has been like, how do I help people?
How do I go and convey a message?
How do I go and inspire?
Like, and if that's everybody's message, everybody gets better.
And where I learned that was in jiu-jitsu, really.
Right.
And I go, if I strangle you and I triangle you every single time, I never show you because I need my ego to be strong and big and good and I'm better than you.
Yeah.
I never get better.
I think that you're not getting better.
And you don't.
You won't get better at a good rate.
But I never fucking get better either.
That's the rub.
And so I show you a setup.
And now I have to get better because I have to evolve.
Tell Dr. Drew Tate how much he needs to start doing Jiu Jets.
Oh, how about how fucking inspirational is Anthony Bourdain?
Anthony Bourdain's the man.
He's got, I think, maybe a blue belt or a four-stripe white belt or something.
Like he's 180 or whatever.
And he's going through it.
He's one of hens those guys.
He just started up all of a sudden.
Fucking beautiful.
Well, he started because his wife.
His wife was really into, really into J-Gatzo's guys.
She got into jiu-jitsu.
I don't know how, but I'd always see Anthony putting pictures of like, like, you know, foe in Vietnam that he was eating.
And then he'd put a picture of his wife, like arm barring Henzo.
And then all of a sudden I started to see pictures of him.
And for sure he dreams about it.
You know what I mean?
And like, there's those of us.
There it is.
Yeah.
When you start, you start to dream.
It starts to color and weave into, because it is so intricate involved in your ego.
Yeah.
That it colors you, man.
it changes the way your mind works for sure it's beautiful true are you are you are you
firm this the next thing well these these are my coffee these are my life changing caveman coffee
coffee guys telling me to do something my god you do take a look at it's pretty great man
I mean it just it's a it's a real opening and the coolest people I've ever met have been
jujitsu guys you rarely meet a dickhead in jujitsu well everybody's got to put themselves like
the event could be that I get strangled by you today yeah I got to be okay with that right I
I do think that there's a certain thing to jiu-jitsu,
in comparison to other martial arts,
that's very humbling in that.
In other martial arts, for instance,
Muita, I'm really into Muay Thai right now.
I've just got like the itch where I want to put my gloves on it and hit stuff and elbow stuff.
But the rub with Muay Thai is you can't really go full blast all the time
because you'll either run out of brain cells or run out of training partners.
With Jiu-Jitsu, you're constantly going full bore and tapping out.
And there's a very humbling feeling to, if you get to be a black belt, you've tapped out 10,000 times.
You know, so I'm saying, so to actually submit to another human being, there's something very humbling about that.
There's something very, you know what I'm saying?
And grow at the same time.
And grow.
And that my argument would be that without that you can't grow.
Like you mute yourself to some degree.
And even if you go, oh, well, I'll grow in these other areas.
But just that you know enough that this would really make you great and you're choosing to avoid it because your ego is fucked.
you're going to mute your growth everywhere.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
You're a huge man who has tattoos and a big beard and you're very tough.
I mean, you don't make the living that you make as a stuntman without being an intimidating
looking dude.
Do people try to fuck with you because you are Tate Fletcher?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, are there other guys out there who like look like Keith Jardine that just because
you're you, they try to, try to puff their chest up?
I haven't had that in a long time.
I rarely get into any altercations.
I mean, I'm pretty placid.
And, like, I mean, like, the only times, like, the last 10 years maybe that anything's happened, like, in the street has been when somebody's bullying somebody and then I talk to those guys and relax them.
That's got to feel so awesome.
I'd love to be a man like that to be able to sit.
I'm serious.
Because, like, I just, you know, I'm not that guy.
I'd love to be able to kind of be the regulator.
That'd be so nice.
It'd be so fulfilling, you know?
Yeah, I never really think about it in those terms until I start.
think about like my sister or my mom or something like that and you go women have a whole other
thing that they have to think about everywhere they go everywhere yeah you know it gets you like
a dude told me one time when I was a kid he was like I want you to start thinking about how you
affect a room before you enter a room and he's like and I'm like I can never know that and he's like
yeah but he says I want you to know that you have an effect and I want you to start to be conscious
of what that is and what that might be who was this I told you that was in I was in a uh uh you know
a halfway house after I'd been locked up for a minute.
And it was like, I wouldn't call it a therapeutic community, but it was kind of along those lines a little bit.
But they, I mean, they really redirected my thinking in a lot of ways and were real helpful.
But that kind of thing, I think, is huge.
It's like that self-reflection of, like, well, who are you?
And that was the same thing, I think, when I, like, quit fighting and when, like, I used to do bodyguard work.
And then before I went into acting.
And then I started, came in coffee.
I've got nightclub in Texas, a concrete cowboy.
And I just started doing all these different things and just trying.
And I go, fuck, let's just have fun, man.
Let's just do whatever to have fun.
Because I was lost for a little bit after fighting because you go, oh, I'm this guy.
And you're not really that guy because now you're done with that.
So who are you?
And what does that look like?
So you've got a little bit of head trauma.
And now you're walking out into a new life and you don't have a whole lot of skills.
And everybody goes, oh, I'll start a jihitsu school.
or I'll start a gym or I'll start.
And maybe those guys aren't great businessmen.
They're just athletes.
And that's a thing too.
But the thing about walking into a new life and going,
who are you now without all the trappings of your old life?
That's another scary thing to address.
And it's like I see a lot of friends of mine that have left that realm as an athlete.
I mean, most of the San Diego Charters that most of their Super Bowl team killed themselves.
Like that's a lot of head injury.
But it's also a lot of like, you're not the guy people are pointing it.
Like little kids aren't.
the restaurant.
That's that guy.
Like, you're just like a big, weird guy.
And what do we hear last night from, oh, this is not Brian Callan's partner?
Brandon Schaub.
Brandon Schaub was saying the.
Beautiful gentlemen, those two guys.
Yeah, good guys.
The average fighter's career is 18 months.
Yeah.
For an M.
Sure, sure.
Guys, I'm staring at a bank of calls here, and I'm feeling anxious about that.
Let's do it.
Let's go to some calls before we go back to the caveman geek coffee, which I'm about to geek out about some more.
This is V.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah.
Hi.
What's going on?
Actually, my birthday is November 5th.
Thank you for that.
Okay.
So anyway, thanks for taking my call.
So I am applying for med school right now, and I'm getting a lot of rejections, but I do have one
wait list that I was waitlisted in around November.
That's huge.
Anyway.
It's a big deal.
Yeah.
It is a big deal.
deal and I'm very happy for it but getting all these rejections and being waitlisted for this
long has made me kind of being a funk and kind of a little depressed and I'm trying to cope with
it and it's uh here's my my memory of that period was one of the worst in my life because I had just
dedicated my entire college career to just killing myself academically killing myself
and had no idea if at the end of it there would be any payoff because you really don't know if you're going to get in or not.
And it depends what state you're from and where you went to college.
There's so many variables and how many, you know, Caucasian males.
It's just a ton of variables.
I think you have to, A, you've been given a nod.
You know you have the credentials to get in somewhere because you're on a wait list somewhere.
So, all right.
You know you're at least past the threshold.
I think you have to change.
And it's perfect to have Tate here for this.
You have to change your attitude.
You've got to go, I'm just going to keep doing this until I get in.
I'm going to stay at this.
I'm not going to take no for an answer.
It may not be this year, but it will be one year.
It's something I really want to do, and I'm just going to do it.
And that's sort of the attitude I eventually adopted, and it paid out.
Okay, great.
I think you can't go wrong trying.
Yeah.
You've got to take, you've got to, I think you get tough in life.
When you start in those kinds of ways, when you get, you get,
you learn how to become relentless and on how to just stand in the fire.
And sometimes it's not about running through the fire.
It's like, I need to be here withstand this.
This is uncomfortable.
And like the greatest coach ever alive, Greg Jackson would say you've got to learn how to be comfortable where other men are uncomfortable.
And that's what success breeds.
Gaining composure where most people aren't.
And it's not fun.
It's not a good time.
And the other shit that you love, do that stuff.
Do that a bunch.
Take care of yourself.
Find that other thing that you love.
If it's just that one thing a day, if it's going to go.
go in the ocean and swim for five minutes.
You live in goddamn California.
Stop it.
Get out there.
Great.
Thank you so much, guys.
And keep people in, you know, I always say brains change other brains.
I mean, that's Tate's brain, just impinging upon your brain, changing your attitude.
Boom, right there.
That's all it took.
The best thing ever, for depression, like what's the number one thing that's always
just helped me is if you could go and be helpful to somebody else.
Oh.
And you find those people all around you, wherever that is, whether that's people that you
know or don't know.
And you go, I want to depart with giving everybody that I'm with a gift, whether that's even
just a kind thought or whatever, your shit will change.
Your mind will change.
You will change your mind.
You're speaking in Drew's language.
Yeah.
When did you learn that?
Oh, God.
I don't know, 20 years ago, maybe.
Because when you say doctors know nothing, that piece sometimes can change everything.
It's so much.
Yeah.
I mean, it means everything.
It's like that thing I do told me, I mean, I've been told it for a long time.
Oh, you've got low self-esteem or whatever.
I'm like, awesome.
It wasn't until I was maybe 25 and this little old lady goes, yeah, you need to do esteemable things.
I was like, oh, that's how you get it.
Like I had no idea.
Like I was just without a clue.
Yeah, I mean, Drew always talks about it.
I mean, I've certainly kind of developed that understanding through experiences in my own life.
And I've been lucky enough to be surrounded by people who have done great things for me.
I mean, I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for people who supported me.
But Drew's been lucky enough to kind of, it's weird.
to say lucky enough, but you've been around people who are on their deathbed.
And when they can talk to you, none of them ever say, I really think, I'm thinking about
the car that I own or the house.
Yeah.
The way I say it is when people face the press to the mirror for whatever reason, it's the
important relationships that make the difference.
That's it, period.
And in terms of building, filling your own void or building yourself out of a skeez of
whatever.
To me, that's high comedy, they called you that.
It's hilarious.
tragic, yeah.
I mean, I look back on all the like comedy.
But that heals, that heals, giving heels.
Yep.
And you're talking about it in a very specific way a lot of people don't understand.
You have to identify something in the other person that you want to give to.
Sure.
And that's the part of people.
It's huge, man.
I mean, that whole thing of the illusion of separation that were different in some way is fucking nuts.
I heard she was, God, her name is escaping me, but she was the governor of Michigan for a while.
She was doing a book tour or something.
And she was saying, you know, we have incentives in Michigan.
And so you need to have Ohio do poorly for Michigan to do well or whatever, right?
Texas has a lot of money.
They get a lot of incentives.
So the outlying states do not as well.
And I think about that.
Like as a world or as an American view, like that's a horrible way for a country around.
I need these stuff.
These are going to be in my states that I just sacrifice, Alabama, Michigan, wherever.
And then the rest can do well.
But, like, I think as a worldview, it's like, well, I need, I need Haiti to do real poorly.
I need Mexico.
I need those people to live like shit.
For us, like, that's fucking awful, man.
Well, the idea that somebody's got to lose so somebody can win is a terrible.
It's so crazy.
And that's how we're set up.
And so that's really, like, the idea of the consciousness with K.man Coffee or whatever,
and I hate to sound like a fucking shill to bring it back to that in that way.
But, like, that's the thing is, like, we didn't want a company, man.
I don't want a company.
I want a movement.
Like, I don't want a business.
I wanted people to start thinking.
I want to people, I don't want to tell you, yeah, drink this and this concoction.
You're going to have this result.
I want you to learn about yourself and your family and your community.
And I want that to fucking grow.
And I want that to spread because I think right now is the most interesting time we can be
alive with Twitter and interconnection.
It is amazing.
In a way that is way different that maybe old people when they did Hindus did yoga for 18 hours a day,
maybe they were connected like that.
We're connected now in that way in a real cheap way that's easy to do that every
can access.
You wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for the fact.
I mean, I would have no connection to you as a person.
It's such a crazy thing.
You'd just be the guy who made coffee and I drank it.
People say that we're getting further apart and I would have to disagree and say we are getting
so close together that we might reach a utopian.
Like that's possible right now in a way that it wasn't possible in 1970 or whenever.
Yeah.
You know, it's a different.
I'm, I got a smile in face because I'm staring in addition to the, the phenomenon.
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As a sitcom, Undatable is going to do a live episode.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it's going to be fantastic.
It's going to be this season, so at the end of this season,
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Oh, hell, yes.
I'm pretty sure he would.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's get that day square.
I want to make sure we get it all squared away.
That is so fun.
Because I would, you know, we'd have to get the night off from Loveline.
I'll come take over.
Yeah.
Okay, no problem.
It's in there.
Keith and I'll come in.
How often are you out here?
I got a place in Hancock Park.
I stay here most of the time unless I'm working.
And I have a gym, like I've got a gym in a home in Santa Fe, New Mexico also.
But I'm here as much as I can.
The gym is involved in Dr. Drew is over in my neck of the woods, right on Lincoln.
Yeah, Logan keeps asking when you're going to come around and lift some rock.
It's like power lifting, CrossFit, Strongman stuff.
We got to go hang out.
You and I go and lift heavy.
heavy stuff and look manly.
I'm just thinking...
And be manly.
Yes.
I could maybe be...
I'm just thinking,
oh my God, how frustrating to me for me
because I can't lift the heavy,
heavy stuff anymore.
Yes, but how awesome would it be
to work out with like a bane mask
that just infuses you with caveman coffee?
Why?
We'll work something out.
Yeah.
All right, we got to do that.
We'll get in a couple weeks.
In the weekend, maybe, huh?
It's a beautiful gym, too.
Deuce Jim right there in Lincoln.
You can work outside.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
All right, done and done.
And real quick, Keith, I'm sorry, Keith, a real quick, Tate, before you...
I'm handsome one.
I was the kind of guy, I could just...
All day, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're the kind of person that helps people see thing with, I always call a new pair of glasses.
Sure.
You're a new pair of glasses guy.
And that's a important way to be.
I guess I feel like that if you talk about things like of a spiritual nature or whatever,
it seems like this ethereal, like you can barely grasp the wisps of it.
And you hear motherfuckers talk about that.
And you're like, oh, that is some hippie shit.
Yeah.
And it's unavailable to me.
That's right.
Me too.
And it's not.
You know, it's like, a dude told me one time, he goes, he goes, you know, 90% of spirituality
is having good manners when you don't feel like it, Tate.
It's like just, you know, and that whole kind of.
Well, I believe a lot of it is between and amongst people.
And that's sort of where your heads goes to.
It's an energy that we share that.
Like a lot of times you don't like to acknowledge.
No, I have no.
I like to acknowledge it.
I think it's, I think it's, we don't acknowledge it enough is what people share together.
It's important to bring out, because it looks like a secret.
it until you get to a certain point.
You're like, oh my God, there's another way.
Well, there's you, this me, and then there's this thing we create together.
That's what I felt, man.
That's why, okay, so with fighting for me is like the first thing, I used to do stick fights,
was the first thing I really got involved in.
That's manly as fuck.
Oh, it's so fun.
And it was fantastic.
That's not necessarily fun for everyone, but it's mainly.
But your hands are the furthest thing out from your body, so they get attacked first,
and then your knuckles swell up and you can't grab to grapple.
And so I'd started grappling right after that.
And so that kind of went away.
But I did, I don't know, maybe 300 stick fights, like a bunch of them.
But there was the thing that happened when a stick is whizzing by your head and you're in it like that.
And if you're not present, it's that thing about being present, being in that flow state, I think.
And when you're fucking present like that, there's, like you're saying, there's another entity that's created.
And that happens in conversation.
That happens for V when she's, when she's studying for her medical exams.
Like it happens when people are in something that they're highly in tune with, that they're jazzed up about.
and they go, and they're involved right now.
That's the flow thing.
That's fucking beautiful, man.
But in fairness, though, it sometimes can be very awkward to acknowledge that.
You know, like, in fairness to people who want to push that away, you know, Drew's right.
There's you, there's Kate, and there's the energy between.
What is?
Gentleness or kindness.
It's like, where's the power in that?
People don't see that.
It's not immediate.
People don't grow up and they go, oh, I think I'm going to be a skinhead.
Like, that'd be awesome.
But they do see their older systems.
or dating some guy that's nice to him, and he happens to be a skinhead, and they're like,
he's a nice guy, I want to be, like, that's how people, people are dumb.
And they just want, they want kindness and they want somebody to, and so that's how people
get into, like, silly shit.
They don't have somebody to look up to.
And so, I don't know, man, I just, I just put my ass on front street.
Did your dad around growing up?
He was a real busy guy.
So it wasn't really how he needed him.
I don't, I mean, I'm super grateful for all that was, you know, and all that is, and we got
a great, a great way.
about us now that wasn't always there for sure yeah think one more call here this is a jay what's up jay jay jay and
turlock turlock where's that i don't know sounds awesome sounds like california though
god damn i feel so guilty there were these guys were patiently waiting yeah want to maybe see if
he's there maybe we'll step down from the phone if he's there chris let me know and there's a couple
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I know.
That's why I couldn't get away and I feel guilty when the people drop off.
You guys got to tell me to shut up.
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Oh, I want that on my face.
That's going to show up on LoveLog.
I don't think we'll be using that.
Like Cather's would.
Tate's got to come up on Love Line, too.
I agree.
Especially since you said.
Yeah, you know, in town.
I thought you guys roll in New Mexico.
God.
Now, Lacey is in Venice.
I'm in Hancock Park, and Keith actually is in L.A. today.
He's doing some horror movie or something, I think.
Patrick, you guys, both have together would be so fun, right?
No, that might be too much manlyness.
I might just explode.
Just jizz.
I'll bring a jiz bomb.
I'll bring wet wipes.
Keith is so quiet.
Oh, he is.
I've seen him in the ring.
Okay, so you see him like that, right?
Yeah.
I remember, I don't know, it was maybe we were, because we're similar size and
So we were good sparring partners for years.
And maybe three years or something into it, four years into it, I'd known him.
And you spar with him and sometimes, and he's like, motherfucker, come on.
Like, fucking bitch.
And he's talking.
He gets into.
Right?
And you're going and like whatever.
And you really learn, like, I'm going to go because there's only a threat.
Like, you have no, there's this choice.
Yeah, there's no change back.
And so it's not like you're going to peel it.
You know, you're working when you're in the round.
with him.
Yeah.
And I'm talking afterwards, and I've talked to a buddy Joy Villa Signor, who is another
old school Greg Jackson guy.
And I go, ooh, Keith's in the mood today.
And, and he's like, what do you mean?
He's in there just cussing me and this and that.
He goes, yeah, he says he gets like that sometimes.
And Keith comes to, hey, guys, in this quiet, really gentle demeanor, hey, guys, what's,
what's going on?
Because he hears his name.
I go, you're, fuck, kind of pissed off today, huh, dude?
And he's like, no, what?
Well, you're in there motherfucking me and this.
And he's like, no.
He's like, I'm talking to myself.
I'm trying to work on this combination that Mr. Winklejohn showed me.
And so he's talking to, and Joey and I look at each other like, we thought for years he was just cussing at us the whole time.
He's just in self-reflection and really, I'll say this about Keith.
Anytime you think you're doing well, like people are like, oh, you look great against him.
He's working on a specific thing and that's it.
And he doesn't have any ego at all.
about it. And so he just lets you work
and you can think whatever you want. Like,
he's one of the most beautiful teachers
that I've ever had, really. Drew, you need to fight Keith
Dreddy. I don't think you do need to do that.
I think of any more near that. But I was just thinking
about you and grappling, though. Doesn't the beard get
grabbed and stuff in the grappling part? Are the people stay away
from that? The hair comes out like crazy.
But I mean, is that a liability
when you're trying to grapple? Probably. I never had
it when I was really competitive. Not
ever. I grew up when I went on
to Lone Ranger. A guy asked
me to grow it out and then I've just been
working it since then. Johnny Depp
a cool guy? Johnny Depp's a really
cool guy. Yeah, we worked, Keith and I worked with him
on Transcendence too, right? About the same time we
started the idea for Cave Man Coffee.
Nice. And then we were just in Jurassic.
Like, fucking Keith and I, so
we're, like, talk about energies coinciding.
We start training together
and in this weird obscure sport
that nobody knows anything about, that nobody gives
a shit about, but we just kind of want to find out
who are we under this kind of pressure?
You know, and like there's a bunch of guys that had that
experience then. What sport was that?
In mixed martial arts. Oh yeah.
Really? That's where it all started? For me and Keith,
like that's where that was. And so
then we can, I retire and then
he does and he's kind of on the fence
of all that right now, but then we start coming together with coffee.
Then we start coming together with movies. And now we've been
in like the last four movies we've been in together,
like which is fucking riot.
Bozum buddies, it's awesome. And now we're brothers
in this film coming up in a little bit and there's some
dark comedy. You're like, you're like, you're
like the Adam and Jimmy of like the
the macho manly coffee stunt world.
Yeah.
It's like you just.
Are they speaking lines or is it just
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I just came off of a great show,
a role with Ben Affleck in Atlanta
and a show called The Accountant,
which will, I don't know, be out in six months.
It's fun, right?
It's so fun, man.
That whole thing, what I like the most about acting is that
when they go action, it's like,
it's like somebody going, are you ready?
Are you ready?
Let it's like that thing like this matters right now.
Yeah.
And you could ruin it.
And let's go.
And now under that, be yourself and be authentic.
You know what I mean?
It's hard to do than people might as soon.
Yeah.
Wherever I think you can exact that discipline, it's like this girl, I mean, I go back to V on the medical call.
But like, it's like her in a way of like wherever you can discipline yourself and find that one thing that you can do and you do that, it melts into your whole life and it colors everything in the most beautiful way.
And it really dials you in, I think.
And I think maybe that's the point of it, right?
You guys need to put a little philosophy handbooks out with your coffee.
Yeah, like, you know those teas that come with like the little message?
But more than a little mess, little handbook.
My friend Glenn Cordosa, he writes a bunch of books like for all the movement guys and fight guys and stuff.
And he's like, we got to write a book sometimes.
Yeah.
You should, man.
I see it.
I see this little, little daily, you know, sort of daily reflection.
No, but you're very motivating.
You're a very positive person.
And it's a great, it's really like a great energy to be put out with not only associated with just the idea of like self-help, but just the idea that you know you're buying into not only a great product, but like you're buying into personalities.
Like that's what Drew and I were talking about before with just having met with just having met Keith.
Like Drew and I've said it's not only nice because he loves MCT oil and Drew loves coffee.
Right.
It's nice to know that like we're buying into the personality.
Like he's awesome, you know.
It's like, it's a community.
I'm super sensitive to all that, too.
Like, if somebody makes jewelry and I'm like,
I get a weird feeling, I don't want his jewelry.
I don't care how cool his bracelet is or whatever.
You know what I mean?
Or a waiter or something.
I'm like, money is energy and I don't want to transfer my money in this kind of way.
I'm going to go somewhere else.
You have a beautiful penis, don't you, Tate?
I can see you're a very well-penest man.
Finally, it took two.
Chris, it took two hours to get here.
We finally got here with Mike.
He's been iron that for me.
I'm just thinking, like, look at that.
Look at it.
I mean, my head doesn't go there.
He's brimming with testosterone.
He's definitely drawn a...
That is lovely.
Yes, look at this, Chris.
Check out.
He'll put this up on the website.
Mike has drawn a portrait of Tate's penis.
That's not Tate's penis.
That's more my style.
You guys know how fortunate you are to work with an artist like this.
Of course, right?
Thank you so much.
Do you feel like, I mean, not to take up your whole day here, Dave, but I feel like, you know...
I've got all day.
You've opened up about the fact that in your younger years, there was sometimes when things
got dark.
I mean, it got negative.
Sure.
You're aware of the guy.
That part fascinates me.
I almost don't have time to get into it.
But I just think like I, because you're one of the people that get out of that fascinate the hell out of it.
Right.
And that's what I was going to say.
Well, and you were describing some of the steps along the way.
And it is is a kind of a cognitive little like your own cognitive behavioral therapy.
That's what those people try to do.
Sure.
Try to change your thinking.
Try to change your thinking.
You said, you know, what's self-esteem?
Oh, somebody taught me how to do that.
Sure.
What's another person and what do we co-create?
Well, I'm thinking about that.
But not everyone's open.
that. You know, what you got to be really crushed. I mean, you got to have that gift of
desperation to be open to those kinds of things, right?
Like, why are you going to say that? Why are we going to say that? Because I know in my own
life the biggest gift I was ever given was some of the times that were darkest for me. Like,
I wouldn't at all have anything positive in my life. Right. If it wasn't for the fact that
I looked at like such darkness at times. So to me, one of the, in addition to the fascinated by
what humans co-create together, I'm fascinated by moments of change. You know, what,
you know, oftentimes people will have sort of a moment where that,
they just changed direction.
Right.
Do you have any of those?
Several, for sure.
And we can pick one for me.
Can you describe it?
Yeah, I'm in five-point restraints looking at my mom through glass in a federal detention center.
And you think I got...
And I think, here I am.
All the things that I was afraid of in my life had come to fruition, and this is what you are.
But did you think, did you take responsibility at that moment for how you got there?
Yeah, for sure.
I just figured, though, that's how I was made and that's what I was going to be.
But how did that moment of insight, it's a stroke of insight, right?
It was, but those things I think are like, are, it's kind of like when you do ayahuasca or something, which I haven't done.
But like those kinds of experiences I hear about, people have these big tumultuous spiritual experiences, I would call them.
You know, and it sounds really interesting to me.
The problem with the spiritual experience is that it's fleeting.
Right. And so it comes in those, in the elevator closed.
So those moments of clarity, if you will, that come in to speak to a man's heart and go, ooh, I need, this is an impetus for change.
are nothing without like what the reason that I'm here is because the people I was fortunate enough
to have heard okay well hold on those are slow down that taught me different ways to walk
that's what I want to kind of break down because that that's always what's there but there but oftentimes
that's got to be clear that it's not me yeah well but two but two things people often feel like
the moments of clarity come from outside of themselves in like something steps into their
life I don't know what that is but but the other part is you're talking about other people's impact
on your moment.
I say, I believe there must have been some people impacting before you had that moment of clarity, too.
Certainly.
That set you up for it.
So you became somehow.
Softening the body.
Working the body before the widow maker came through.
Maybe or some.
But some ability, because you co-created something with someone a couple of moments, a couple of days, a couple of weeks before.
Sure.
Or years.
I mean, because, you know, people, I mean, like, you look at things like that.
You look at alcoholism, for instance, or something like that.
That's something that people want to stop.
drinking years before they stop drinking if they're lucky enough to stop drinking at all, right?
Like they live in hell for fucking ages.
Yeah.
And so that's, I don't know that there's moments, days before, whatever.
I mean, I think all of a sudden something hits you.
We talked about the new pair of glasses.
Oftentimes it's hanging with somebody that they co-create some sort of experience with
who's different than what they normally, that doesn't confirm their bullshit.
And I would like to say that, too, in that way, yeah, you've got to have people that dismiss you.
because you're a scourge to everybody's life
if that's what you need, right?
If that's what you need.
And people that aren't going to placate you, I think, is what you're saying.
And, but like, it's like getting, having the spiritual experience, getting sober, whatever your thing is.
Change.
To have that last is the rub, right?
That's the thing.
Yeah.
And so that's why I go always to the people, because even today, like, that changes later today maybe for me.
I don't know.
but I do know that the people that I surround myself with, my picket fence, if you will,
are strong motherfuckers that tell me the truth, you know?
And those are the people that, the people that formed me into who I am,
and then the people that continue to that are still surrounding me in my life.
And I'm very particular about who I'm around because it's important to me.
Because, like, I still have, I'm still subject to depression or whatever.
I'll eat a pistol.
Like, like, I could be right.
Well, you're an extreme.
I could be right.
I could be right there.
And so I go, it's either this way or that way.
You need to be careful.
And like this is your, like once you become accountable, you are accountable.
You're responsible.
There's a dude up on the board and he was saying, my job moved.
And so I have to move to keep my job.
I'm like, well, you don't have to do anything.
You know, it's people that are like, this town is horrible.
I hate this time.
It's like there's not a picket fence around this town.
Right.
You know what I mean?
You're capable and you're able.
It's like the homeless people in America, they're the luckiest homeless people ever.
It's like you go anywhere else for citizens trying to make it work in this world.
And shit is not going well for people.
There's people that are cutting their baby's arms off because the best place they can be is a beggar in life.
And they want to make them the best beggar, the most despicable, horrendous vision of humanity that the people that come in on the merchant marine ships are going to see so they give them the most money.
So the whole thing about like my poor lot in life, it's like once you go, okay, I'm a jackass and it's time to take responsibility.
like that whole thing colors my whole life in every way and like who do I work out with who do I eat with where am I going to eat like what what am I going to put into my body who am I going to support what thought am I going to support in my head that's a huge one for me like lately like I can easily get into nostalgia and go oh man that girl that I that I missed or the the job that I didn't get or whatever the thing is and it's like there's beautiful shit in your life why are you thinking about this but I'm choosing to think the negative yeah it's easy to do to get retrospective on negative
Why am I not thinking about the ocean or that I get to meet a childhood hero or the best-looking man in Hollywood this morning?
You know what I mean?
Like, those are the things.
And so I get to choose my focus.
Well, I hope you will allow us to hang out with you a little bit.
Yeah, man.
I want to come soon.
I want to come to the jam.
Yeah, yeah, that's.
I'm dead serious about this.
I'll leave my number.
And we have to wrap this up.
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Chris, Adam is back next pod?
Yes, sir.
All right, so Adam will be back with us.
We'll hear all this adventures from the road, ironically, about promoting Road hard.
And if you like what you hear, I mean, check out Loveline, check out you guys in KBC this morning.
Please do.
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We don't geek out quite this.
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I love line.
We don't geek out quite this hard.
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