The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #235: Exploring The Bowl Pt. 2

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

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The entire Oracle trilogy is available on Audible. Listen now on Audible. Time for the second half of this throwback episode from May 2015. It's called Exploring the Bowl number 235. We get some phone lines, get the phone lines going here and talk about prostate cancer and a little Pop Warner football, something that Adam never talks about that. Take a knee everybody and enjoy Exploring the Bowl. Hey Ben, 26 New York City. Hey how's it going? What's going on Ben? um, I had a Question just been thinking about for a while. So you're always talking about you know

How your time playing football like helped shape your life and things like that? And I think just the the last episode of this show you were talking about I think I can run the three-point stance and how it wasn't to you know Everybody's sort of like respected that it was to help and stuff like that. Yes. So my question is, very good mode to be in, when are you going to be coaching pop-board football? Well it is difficult because my son, while he loves football, hates contact. He's very scared. His plan is to start taking up tackle football at UCLA. Well? Yes, but I've explained to him you do not get to start playing tackle football at age 19 unless you're a phenom. So he, we're a little caught in between Also

My schedule is no schedule. I have no schedule I've never really thought about it. I used to say my schedule is busy. My schedule is not busy. It's not a schedule I don't have a thing where I'm done over at the architectural firm at 6 every night I can head to the park to coach up the kids. I'm in Riverside on a Saturday, I'm doing a show at Irvine on a Thursday night, I'm gone for a week in Indianapolis. I was an assistant coach in Glockenyatta, the gladiator program. And my sons played tackle football and they loved it. I can't, I cannot get on a fucking schedule. I cannot, I can't get on a schedule. Yeah, but you just do what you can. There'll be a little system, you show up and you can. No, I did that. I did

that a little bit with my son when he coached, when I was coaching basketball. What if, you know, regardless of your son, what if just, you know, how much you could just, you know, the kids and, you know, how good of like an impact you could make. What if you just... Yeah, I agree, Ben. But look, part of it is me being a little bit of a hypocrite because I don't need my son to be there. I could make an impact. And God willing, one day soon I'll be able to give back to that community. The problem is because I'm on the road so much, because I'm working weekend so much, because I'm out of town so much and doing everything so much right now, that when I do have time it's not fair to not spend a little of it with my son and my daughter. Going and coaching someone else's sons wouldn't be fair to

my son who will be in the backyard looking for someone to play catch with because of daddy's insane schedule. But I appreciate it. I also just got done reading the chapter in my audiobook where I did take over one day coaching I don't know if I told you this one but I was coaching my son's basketball team at the Hollywood Y first off oh my god I am so fucking glad I moved out of Hollywood you go down to the Hollywood Y it it is a fucking, it is a piece of shit. I mean it's just homeless people all around it, fucking clinically insane people inside on elliptical machines. The parents all have like calf tattoos and stuff like that. I mean

it is a disaster, the place is a disaster. But I had to coach my kids, I had to coach Sonny's basketball team and I didn't know any of the kids names because they all have these crazy Nuvo names, you know, so I got them all together and Wrote it all I wrote up everyone's number down and then their name next to them so I could yell at him to get out of the game or to play defense or whatever it is and The following day or the following week I was approached by a proud woman of color who was the parent of two, what I thought were two black kids on the team and explained to me that somebody had forwarded her, they never hear it themselves, somebody forwards them. The bit I did on Kevin and

Bean where I was explaining that I didn't know anyone's name and I didn't want to be yelling, hey half breed and Jewfro, she decided that the half breed was her mixed children. But you didn't know her mixed even? No, because I think it's pretty safe to say when one parent is very black, the kids, when they're mixed, present as just black. At least to this blue-eyed devil's sensibility.

I thought there were a couple of lighter skin but just a couple of black kids on the team. I never met the dad. So the mom was around, it was black, I just assumed she had black kids. So I didn't know they were mixed, but on the other hand, I used Jewfro because I knew there were no Jewish kids on the team,

and half breed because that's an Indian thing. It's like Cher. There were no Indians on the team. No, so I used a couple pejoratives that I thought would be safe because they did not represent anybody on the team. She of course internalized this because she has a narcissistic disorder and then instead of thanking me for coaching her kids came over to settle my hash and And also it started off with she had a sense of humor because she headed up some comedy

WB the network, whatever. I was like All right, you don't have a sense of humor. And then I said half breed does not apply to black folk I mean, it's not used as a pejorative. Yeah to mixed black people. Nobody calls The president or tiger woods half breed. There's other names that are pejoratives Tiger Woods half breed. There's other names that are pejoratives. Half breed's an Indian term that was cemented in this broadcasters mind by Cher singing about the half Indian half white. I mean even when I try to get creative about it I don't hear anyone ever calling any mixed black person a half breed. Right and so what does she say to that not explain that you know a lot of people listen like nobody thinks I'm talking about you but again thanks bitch and thank you for making everything

about you yeah everything's about you it's, we're so fucking narcissistic now, Drew, that even, like, it used to be if someone was saying something that you perceived as negative, you would go, oh, well, they're not talking about me. They're not talking about me. If you're an overweight person and someone's saying, obesity is a big problem, well, not me, I'm not morbid. I could lose a couple, but not talking about me.

Or even if it is you, you gotta go, well, I gotta learn something about that. Not talking about me, or maybe they are, and I should learn something about it. But now we're so narcissistic that every word that comes out must be attacking me. Wah, I have a great sense of humor. Yeah, you have a great sense of humor, sweetie.

Enjoy, enjoy making the world just a little bit funnier place. Anyway after that I was like, you know what fuck this I don't even got to try that was the Hollywood why Hollywood wise piece of shit now I'm off to a nice wine. See I where it's a totally different in totally different environment Yeah, totally different environment. Hollywood is literally I hope it just fucking burns to the ground. I really do. It's the trashiest, shittiest, stupidest city in the fucking world. It's literally garbage and homeless people walking in circles. You've had two homes in Hollywood. Why'd you do that? I moved. I lived up in the hills and then it got so shitty that I just got to fuck out of it. It's getting better than it used to be. No, it was shitty and then it got

better and now I think it's getting shitty again, but I have kids and a school system. That's unusable Yeah, although I pay shitloading taxes So I thought let's go to a place where the schools are usable Guess what the difference is between the usable school and the unusable school parents are together Well, I just guessed they focus on what? homework yes, dude, by the way Do you think there's an elementary school where just all the teachers are geniuses and then another one where they're just buffoons or? There is there just another one where attendance is horrible and all they do is spend time on discipline and never

focusing on the lesson plan because the kids grow up in chaos plan and never focusing on the lesson plan because the kids grow up in chaos. You think there's a whole bunch of super smart teachers at the school might like they like they do it like they just go hey we're all the all this all the super brainy ones you go over to this one and then all you rejects you go over to this one yeah the families all right all right listen Hollywood high is you know not it not what I would call usable It's a middle Hollywood Okay, hmm all right you got a got a question up there you like you've gone up the thing you know go up to the top Yeah

Victor Hey, thanks for taking my call Thank you So I'm calling because I needed to know what I can do to become a little more hyper-visualent, because I've been kind of forgetting things like closing the door or forgetting things that my wife tells me.

And it's actually been a little bit of a sore spot between us. And it's kind of just getting in our way. And I know that Drew can relate to this because he puts the vaccine in the fridge along with his keys. And I do things like that too to help me remind myself, but it seems like it's not cutting it. So I was wondering if there's some way to kind of train myself, like Adam trains everybody to the classroom.

Adam trains. All right, all right, hold on. Hold on. You're not talking about hypervigilance, okay? First of all, you're talking about attentional mechanisms and memory. And attentionality and memory do overlap. But your first problem is attention. You need to be able to focus and see these things, such as the door not being shut. Your attentionality is sort of loose. You're not paying attention. And things, you know, people would say, well, that's ADD and that's ADHD. And thankfully, I was just talking to a psychiatrist, again, that smart panel I was with, a group of smart guys, saying that they are finally moving away from medication and into sort of behavioral kinds of long-term interventions for this. And you're right. I don't know what those mechanisms are, Victor, I'm sure if you looked online,

looked sort of behavioral treatments for ADD, ADHD, you'll find the kinds of things that you will need. But you need something to focus your attention, to make your attention better, and give you some tools like remembering to put your keys in the thing or remembering to close the door and have something that triggers your memory in the doorway maybe that helps you. Well here's the goal Victor. You think about how many mental calories you have to burn

many mental calories you have to burn if you jump into a rental car. You jump into a rental car, you sit there, dig Drew. You go in that rental car and you sit there and the first thing you do is just sort of survey, you know, the dash. Where are the knobs? How do I turn the volume up on the radio? Where's the knob? Is it a button or is it a knob? Is it, what about the temperature? Where's the key go? Is there key? Key fobs? Is there a button to push? That now it's the whole thing with the transmission. Yeah. It's like there's no T-handle in the middle and you put in drive. There's a button or a knob or joystick or something like that. You're just sitting in this alien car you've never been in before or simply climbing from your car into your wife's car.

Even though you've driven your wife's car before, you still have to sit there and acclimate for a moment. I want to move the seat back. Where's the mechanism for that? Well, in Mercedes, it's on the door. Every other car, it's down on the left. But either way, what am I doing? Am I reaching between my legs and lifting the handle

and sliding the thing back? Or is it electronic? What is it? Well, nobody wants to go through life that way. You go, you climb in your car, there's not one calorie burnt on how do I get the seatbelt, how do I get the thing in drive, I want to adjust the temperature of the radio, you're just in the car and gone. I'm doing phone interviews, I got a coffee mug in my hand and I'm pulling down the driveway without a thought

in the world. I start hearing the beep beep beep go off because I'm coming too close to the gate, I'm on a phone with a radio so my hand flies up and hits the button, I don't even look up. Okay, that's the way you want to go through life, right? Because, well why do you want to go through that life that way? Because I'm doing an interview on a radio station in Canada and I don't want part of my brain going, oh where's, how do I get this thing in a drive? Or reverse. I'd like my attention for writing books and coming up with jokes and doing things. I don't want to do that. So what we do in life is try to hit

that rhythm where your house and your life and all the repetitive little things that don't matter aren't using up any part of your hard drive. That is simply about repetition and where the challenge comes in. And I believe I was talking to you about the super expensive little earbud they give me on Catch a Contractor, I'm now at the point where when the sound guy comes up to me and he goes, where's your earbud? I don't remember putting it in my pocket. The first ten times I did it, I volitionally pulled it out when I'm putting it in my left pocket of my jeans. Now, and there's it's weird, he hit me the

other day, he said, where's your earbud? And I went, I thought to myself, I don't remember taking it out. And then I reached for my left pocket, lo and behold, there it is. Good! Mission accomplished. I didn't even think about it. Just popped out, went right in my left pocket. What can happen, it was interesting, I opened the front door, went outside the other night, and Lynette's keys were dangling from the door. And my first thought was, Jesus Christ, can we get it together? And then my next thought was, I don't know.

I interrupted her flow, and it fucked her up. This is where the challenge comes. The challenge comes, like we talked about you and your wallet the other day. The challenge comes as we talked about you and your wallet the other day the challenge comes is you have your rhythm Yeah, what happens when you're in the middle of your rhythm and the UPS guy bangs on the door and you stop Yeah rhythm interrupted Sounds right. How do you take your attention? Her keys were hanging in the door because Natalia got out of the car first started started ringing the doorbell feverishly, as

she always does, I got up out of the den, walked over, and as Lynette was putting her keys in, I unlocked it and opened the door. Now her rhythm has been interrupted. Right there is the mechanism that needs to be amplified, which is attention, which is attention when you're putting the keys in the door and keeping the attention there no matter what happens. Right. And this is about being awake, number one, just literally being awake.

I don't know how else to describe it. But there's a different genetic, listen, I see this in my own kids, there's different genetic sort of presentations of all this. I have one son that's very much like our caller, very much like Victor, and he really tries, and yet, god damn it, all the time, he, where's my wallet, where's my wallet, where's my keys, where's my wallet, and he really is like, I always put it in this thing, therefore, I couldn't, it's not in that bucket anymore, so now I'm lost. Now, you know what I mean? So,

there has to be a little more than just the routine for people that really have this sort of diffuse quality in their attentional mechanisms. What I would say... It helps to have the routine, that's part of the way there. Yes, routine is very... No, no, you need the routine more than I do. No, I know, but that's not... Not you, I mean, one who is lost a little bit. No, I get it, but it still doesn't take you all the way there because you have to find some way of practicing, every time my hand goes on my wallet, I become aware, I have a mantra I go through, a practice I go through, you know what I mean? Some sort of procedure.

Every time my hand is on the wallet, I think of the word red or something. Right. Here's what I can tell you. I think this is helpful. Think about, first off, whatever you do, what are you attempting to do? I have this happen all the time where Drew's going to adjust his seat and I'll fill a bus for a second, but I have it happen all the time where I step back and I go, what is the big picture? What are you trying to accomplish here?

But what is next? What is going to happen next? My wife got the Tesla. Well, I got her the Tesla. Shocking. She plugs it in. And then the cord gets sort of put like a velvet rope across the driveway except for my move is to pull in the driveway pull past her and

park in front of her okay but I have to get out of the car and tuck it down underneath because I'm gonna pull it out yeah if I go past it right if you tuck it now she might no No. All right. She's gonna unplug it before she leaves. Her point is, my point is, is her mindset is I must charge this car. That's good. But think about what's next. Look down the driveway. Adam's not home. He's gonna be pulling up. Where does he park? He parks beyond me. Don't shake your head. No, no. What I'm shaking my head about is your whole notion of there being a routine, though. Routine is thoughtlessly getting out of the car and plugging it in. My point is you have

to have a certain constant awareness and thought process. Well, there is no routine because it's too new. No, but I'm saying, you know, this whole earbud in the pocket thing is sort of the enemy a little Bit no no you have your routine. No, and you think things no no no Listen dork routine is plug it in and then kick it kick it down under the car So it doesn't form a barrier get what you're saying. That's the routine so so I totally agree with you that the routine doesn't have one part No, I understand so your point is well taken that in terms of establishing the routine, you must also think down the line with what your routine should be. But I'm saying you should have that routine and then every time you do it, also be thinking

down the line what else might be happening. Situational awareness, but yes, you're plugging your car in, but you're also looking and seeing Adam's not home, Adam must drive drive past it is laid out in a way that it's not gonna let him pass without possibly pulling it out from the car so you kick it you kick it in it's really hard for some people that really is they they just they're they're thinking about the stuff right folks in the moment right right it's a biology it really is right algebra is really hard for some kids yeah What should we do?

They gotta work extra hard. Oh! Wait a minute, Drew. There you go, another standard. Yes, and I said to Lynette, hey, when you plug it in, kick it in. And that's what she does now. Somebody must have, Victor, look into this and get back to us. Somebody's gotta have some online procedures and stuff that helps with this sort of thing. And I would look in the sort of ADD zone because that's what we're kind of talking about here. I honestly think a lot of this stems, and I've given this a lot of thought, everybody everybody overestimates themselves. They put the commuter mug on the top of the car and they don't realize that, yeah, I'll set it on top of the car and then I'll get my shit out of the trunk and then

I'll put my stuff, but in between the phone rings. And then they get a call. What's the problem? The boy's sick at school? Oh, Christ, yeah, okay. No, now they're a million miles away. Don't ever, you're not that good. You're not that good. The first thing I wanna tell everyone is, you're not that good, good, neither am I.

I'll never set it down. Put it inside the car and put it in the cup holder. Adjust accordingly. And the other thing that people don't realize is a lot of these attentional mechanisms are developed early in life in the thing that's so deficient right now, in closeness with the parents.

It turns out the parents focusing on our emotional experiences and reflecting it back to us is where we first develop attentionality. It's focusing on the parents. How did I get it? You know, you have the opposite in a weird way. You're all shut down and yet stuff gets in in a weird way. That's just your, you know, some weird biology you've got. I'm going to get Dr. Porridge back in here to work that

all out. Please. But that's, it's different. You know, the other thing is that- I'm going to get Dr. Bombay back here to work this out. Well, you know what it was? A lot of kids that don't have the attention of the focus stuff also have chaos and it's the chaos that takes away from the what you have with you had just deprivation. You had the opposite. Yes, I notice things but it helps. most trusted betting platform and your number one source for online betting from the earliest odds to in-game live betting. BetOnline provides you with all the action and the ability to watch and bet on games as they happen with the largest selection of odds on everything from football, NBA, college basketball as well. BetOnline has NHL, MMA, and championship boxing, all your betting needs in one place.

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Hey, man, just want you know this half-breed actually love both of your shows and so that's her sister. Thank you You're actually a half-breed Yep Taiwanese and Polish so that's that half-breed It's gotta be the one in the Cher. Find the Cher song, Gary. Come on now. It is laid out in painstaking detail by Cher circa 1974. The song. By the way, it would be wildly offensive now

to have Cher wearing that whole headdress. Yes, yes, right? This is it, right? Yeah, it is. Now listen to the words. Listen to the video. It's too funny. Oh my god, look at this video.

Does she look black to you? My father married a Cherokee. Father married a Cherokee. My mother's people were ashamed of me. The Indians said that I was quite by law. a chair right there. Horse share is so impressed. She's on a horse. Palomino. And today, imagine how many different... She references Cherokee, but she has the Klingit tot I sat in the set dressing. Oh my god. Wyoming Indian horse.

People be so pissed. How about how skinny that Indian is? I've never seen an Indian that skinny. I've always said that Sonny Bono was one of the most overcompensated hacks on the planet. That guy made millions of dollars, had no ability to sing whatsoever. The 70s were a time when people couldn't sing sung anyway couldn't make television He couldn't write a song. He couldn't he tried to make a movie once he was a he was He was a creative

pit He was a pot of perdition of He was a bottomless pot of perdition of fucking nothing, but he had a motor Yeah, I'm going to show my kids Hey, we'd like to see a short guy with zero talent in front of Or behind the camera like he cannot write a song. He can't act he can't sing he cannot do anything Manage to make a hundred million dollars in this industry. Okay. Listen, I've just looked at half-breed a person whose parents are of different races million dollars in this industry. Okay listen I've just looked at Halfbreed, a person whose parents are of different races. Especially the offspring of American Indian and a person of white European ancestry. There you go,

especially. Well there you go, Halfbreed. Emma, go ahead. So Dr. Drew, I listened to your podcast and did Dr. Drew and Aceman show. So I have a question. I know your opinion on students using Adderall or Ritalin. I was actually wondering what Adam thought. I'm in law school right now and I have a few friends that are basically just using it to study for the bar or a couple other things and they're able to just stop right afterwards. But I guess for me what pisses me off off, apart from don't take anything that a doctor should not be prescribing you,

is they're kind of wrecking the curve in a weird way. So I was wondering what- Yeah, listen, listen. Let me just state my position for people that may not be aware. And I'm not sure, I mean, you actually get my position because it does, Adderall does enhance academic performance. I always try to be exquisitely accurate in anything I say to people about these things

and you simply can't deny it actually does alter academic performance. The problem is at what risk of your health, A, it increases the ability to study longer period of time and it affects your attentional mechanisms and actually showed measurably to affect performance. So it does affect performance, but it's cheating and I don't understand why it's not dealt with as aggressively as plagiarism or any other cheating mechanism. Well, it's steroids. We don't want steroids.

We want an even playing field. It's cheating and it's people risking their health. But how about Emma? She's half Asian so she's cheating too. She's juicing. Listen, here's the deal. You know, technically everybody who has their teeth straightened and whitened and their nose operated on to look better is cheating too. But I mean if you sort of think

about it it's the ultimate cheating thing. You see all these people like there's a there's a thing I mean I didn't have braces and I never had a nose job but other people got their teeth fixed and capped and veneered and got a nose job and now they're cheating. There would be more pussy for me if they had crooked teeth and a hooked nose. What's your point? I'm saying if it's out there and it's not being regulated, first off nobody's ever really gonna beat somebody who just fucking outworks everyone else.

And you may have to outwork... The person that's using Adderall is using it in lieu of working a little harder. That's what I think. They're supplementing. But think about steroids. You cannot get as big without steroids. No, I understand, but that's at a level where people are getting millions of dollars and all that kind of stuff. But this is academic hierarchy.

I can only verify that. Here's what I'm, my point is this. I think the academic community is gonna crush it. It'd be nice if they did, but here's what you do. You outwork everyone. You'll be fine. All right. Well, all right.

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