The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #414: Speak Out, Oh Toothless One

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

September 14, 2016Adam opens the show talking about guys who he knows he wouldn’t enjoy hanging out with, just by seeing their vanity license plate. This leads Matt Fondiler to come in and defend his parents and their vanity plates. Next Adam draws a comparison between his father and Angel from the Rockford Files. Then they talk to a caller who is debating adding on to his house or selling it, and Adam quizzes him on his carpentry knowledge. After the Break, they talk to a caller who is questioning therapists’ motives.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Well, let's see, September 14th, 2016, throwback episode. And Adam's talking about how he can tell he doesn't want to hang out with someone just by their vanity plates. That is a theme that has been maintained most of the years I've known him. Matt Fondelier, assistant, comes in to defend his parents and their vanity plates. And then we get a comparison going between Adam's father and Angel from the Rockford files. It's really kind of funny. That comes up every once in a while. And we talk to some callers.

Check this throwback episode out from September 2016. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist, Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. No choice but to get on mandate.

Get it on. welcome the program. Thanks for tune in. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for all you do, Drew. Right on, baby. I was driving into work today. I got behind a Prius.

And there's, it's all, you know, it's weird. And by the way, don't ever put yourself in this position where I can tell I don't want to hang out with you from outer space. Just by how you drive your car? No. Just by, in this case, what was on the back of the car. Oh, yeah. All right. You ready?

Yeah, okay. Tell me if, I'll put you to challenge. Look, there's a lot of people who've done a lot of, they have a lot of vanity plates. Some anger me. Like our own Matt Fondalier. Oh. Whose father has a, no, mother has a license plate that has combined the two names of him and his sister. Nice.

That gets me. A parent that gives a crap, Matt. How dare your parents? Oh, when they combine. To be fair, both of my parents have a place. Oh, well, no, no. I know your dad says underdog. Yep.

That's right. Which angers me. What's with that? In a different way. He's a lawyer for the man. Oh. He's not some fat cat real estate guy out there. He's out there protecting the little people.

Okay, so he's underdog. Those guys make no money. He likes underdog. Yeah. Okay. I'm angry. for a different set of reasons for that. But I've had, I remember when I was a kid, I was a kid, I was 15, 60, I was in high school.

The only, see, my pain was fine every once a while because I'd go to like Ray's house and they'd be sitting in an apartment, as parents would be sitting in an apartment, smoking and arguing. And I'd go back to my crappy house and not feel quite as badly about my life, even though we didn't have air conditioning or schnitzel. It was sort of a, I guess everyone's miserable. Hang on. Can I get into the underdog thing for a second?

Mm-hmm. Attorneys and their underdog stuff. Uh-oh. I was talking to an attorney today, and he was talking about how he and he goes, this woman came, I'm a whistleblower, and this woman came to me and this doctor had put in an implantable defibrillator that she did not need. And I went to that hospital and it turns out that that company had been, you know, paying that doctor. to educate people about these implantable, and she didn't need it, and he put it in because he was induced. And I was like, well, go after that doctor.

This guy's bad. You don't want him out there. Oh, well, doctors don't have any money. So we're going after the drug, the maker of the instrument, the little device. Right. It's like, well, what do they do? Well, nothing. But doctor has no money.

So we have to go after the other guy with the big money. And the hospital will go after them, too. I'm like, okay, now I see a charge. So that doctor is going to keep on practicing. You don't give a shit. But we're going to go after the money. Okay. Underdog.

Good. That's good. That's good. I can't just sit here idly and listen to this. What is your dad? He does malpractice. He does medical malpractice. Yeah, that's what my dad does.

See, everyone thinks I'm tuned out. That's right. Mark thinks I don't listen when he talks. But I do. You do. But in my dad's defense, I mean, he has a very small personal practice. He only takes cases that he feels the person was genuinely messed up. Hey, this one I just mentioned?

That should have been a malpractice. his case, but it wasn't enough money for this lawyer. What kind of car is this plate attached to? It's a Lexus from probably five years ago now. Yeah. If you saw the car, or you saw the dad, you'd realize, no bucks.

Unless he's socking it all the way somewhere. He ain't spending it on threads and rides, I'll tell you that right now. He doesn't roll that deep, you know? No, listen. He's one of the good ones, Drew. I don't doubt that. And it just occurred to me when I talked to that guy today. I was like, oh, really? You're just going to defend a little guy.

Okay, I get it. Well, man. Your dad, of course, within that, there's guys that actually do. A custom plate that your mom has says, what? Matt and Beck. So angry. Now, that one's a different kind of anger, and then the underdog one's just a general sort of approach to life that angers me. But it's only because I'm jealous. I know. That's right.

I, and we know Matt's such a good soul that his dad could, never be a sheister lawyer because he could not have there it is he could not have sprung forth from the loins of a sheister you see what I'm saying yeah yeah okay so the thing I will tell you about this vanity plate and back not just Matt Beck but Matt and Beck I hope somehow the only way I would feel better about this is it somehow some terrorist organization use this information against you. And then I'd go, see, I'm glad. I'm glad my mom never did this because she didn't put me in danger because they got hold

of this information and they're somehow you have the idea and that's when the abduction began. Does your dad, is he like literally like into the underdog cartoon? He was for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, he's got a little. Wait, he might be doing super chick a underdog. Yeah.

All right. So the vanity plate. and again, I'm jealous, because the vanity plate is one of those things where, I don't know, be like ski vacations or caviar or something. It's like insane. Like, it wouldn't even, not even, would never even be discussed at the Corolla House. Oh. Because that is, again, that's an extra at the time. It would have been an extra $31 when you buy, you know, when you get a car.

And then number two, it would have been there to express something. Theoretically joyous or about you or just something. comical or something. It would have been something. And then we all know nothing. Always trumps something at the Corolla House. Except brown sugar. The house, the thing that drove me nuts is I'd go to my loser Ray's house or loser Chris's

house and his dad would show come home drunk from his transmission shop, put his feet up on my back when I was laying on the floor and let a huge fart going. How old you? Oh, when I was like 13 or something. He drove his firebird. Yeah. It was funny because... It was a big firebird in the hood. No, I always laughed because Chris's dad looked like Jim Rockford from Rockford File,

and my dad looked like Angel, who was a spindly little ex-con who was delivering the information. He was like, hey, Jimmy, can borrow a few dollars? I mean, I know I already owe you money. It was like, it was a crazy. If you see, Matt, if you look up a picture, not, and don't do what Gary does, which is Angel just before he died from consumption. but Angel likes from the Rockford files, the character Angel. If you look that guy up and you see a picture my dad when my dad was 44, they look like the same dude.

And Chris's dad was this big strapping dude that looked like James Gardner. So when it got, there was always your dad's, you know, Rockford and my dad's angel. And his dad would come home, rest his feet on you and then fart. Well, I would, when I went to Chris's house, I would always lay on the floor and watch TV. He had three things going. TV. Color. He had a color TV.

It was in a console. Whoa. I mean, the color TV console had a color TV. He had wall-to-wall carpet. Oof. This kind of car. We would find rugs that other people were throwing out and spread them out on his wood floors.

But he had this beautiful. And our stuff was like ratty and itchy and dirty. And you would never sit on the ground or lay on the floor or whatever, filled with cat hair and stuff like that. This was like beautifully, just, just mowed. You know, it's like the green, beautiful putting green. And I'd go, what is this wall to wall? This carpet goes all the way from one side of the room of the other and, like, tucks in under the baseballboard. And I would lay.

That's your dad. You've seen my dad. That's my dad. That's your dad. Yeah. 100%. So we're looking at Angel from the Rockford Files. So.

And he was such a groveling little pussy. You know, he would always get into trouble with, like, some gambling trouble or something. Jim, you got to help me out. Your dad looks like you just walked out of a cult. Like, he's a cult leader in this picture. My dad, who was ironically named Jim, but Angel was the every, see, what they always did back in the day when they did these crime things, they would have, they would have Dan Tanna in Vegas. Yeah. But how could Dan Tana be even more of a man?

And people like, I don't know, wear another leather vest or drive him. No, no, no. Put the biggest wussy pussie puss next to him. And then he'll be, Dan Tanna had Bart Braverman, like the spindly, la scarletist little Jew on the planet. And he would be like, Dan, Dan, you got to save it. Like, your wife, calm down, park, come down. You got to save it.

His name was like bins or something. It's like crazy cartoon model. Bins, relax. They don't understand. They're going to kill me. Don't worry. I'll handle it. You know, that's the way.

would make him, and my dad made Chris's dad seem like twice the dude he was just by being the spindly little puss that he was. It's strangely, though, did your dad ever interact with Chris's dad? No. That's the comedy. No. Chris's dad would have no time for it. No, my dad would have no.

Your dad wouldn't even know, yeah. My dad wouldn't know who he was. Yeah, yeah. I once later on, just because I'm a dick. Chris's dad was like in and out of jail and substance abuse. and sort of, you know, never written. Things, you know, didn't really work out for him. And...

Is he still around? No. At a certain point, guys that abuse that much and are in and out of jail that much and whatever, just, yeah. But he was always a really good dude to me. Yeah. And he had this funny thing. He was like, hey, Adman, that's what he called me.

Adman. Come on in. We're going in the truck. We're going motorcycle Ryan. Come on. And I liked Rick. And I wouldn't want to be married to Rick, but Rick was fine to me. And me, it was like a dude.

And we're going motorcycle riding. We'd take you to actually do things. Yeah. It's like a regular dude. The thing that was funny, he'd go, we're going motorcycle riding tomorrow. 7 a.m. We're going to be the truck loaded up. We're going to Aquadoza Canyon, you know, and then it'd be like 11 in the morning

and Chris be trying to wake up because he stayed up all night drinking. He went to bed at 5 a.m. It was passed out. We'd end up leaving at noon or something. It'd be getting dark when they were like. the time we got there, but still Rick, God bless him, you know. We'd ride in the back of the pickup truck all the way out there sitting in between the motorcycles.

A puddle of transmission. Oh, my God. A transmission fluid on the ground. But God bless Rick. Rick would put his feet up on my back. I now realize he was drunk. You know, and he closed up the shop at four, have a few cold ones, you know, drive, stagger home, you know. I was laying on the carpet because it had wall-to-wall carpet, had a color TV, and

central air. So there'd be air coming out of the wall. Wow. Now, I knew what air was, but came out of a huge box that was duct taped to the window. It was like, burn. You have to go punch it every once in a while to get to stop humming, you know? But this was air coming straight from the wall. Like, magic.

There's no nothing buzzing, nothing plugged in, just whew. So I'd lay on the floor next to the air vent. Chris's dad would come in, take his feet, kick his boots off, put him. put them on my back. And there's a huge fart go. And he'd pause and he'd yell, Speak out, oh, toothless one. What?

It always made me laugh. That's a funny one, right? I'm sure he didn't come up with it, but it still made me laugh. It's so ridiculous. Speak out, oh, toothless. He's imagine this 40-old dude with 13-year-olds. Yep, yelling out these crappy jokes. Could have been 11.

Now, what did depress me, however, is later on, when I got to high school, there was a family, there was, you know, my piece of shit family, and then there was Ray and Chris, and at a certain point, Ray's dad was, you know. That's trying out. Yeah, he was nowhere to be found, and Chris's mom had to move in an apartment

with the other kids, the two kids, and it was a disaster and everything else. But I found a friend. I had a friend named Jeff Buck. And his dad was real successful. He played for Cowell. He played for the championship basketball team at Cowell. Big tall.

Looked like Patrick Duffy. Just good-looking dude. Had a nice trophy wife. Drove a Rolls Roy. Jesus. And everybody, his license plate, his vanity plate said, one buck won. And then his older daughter was like two buck two.

And then the other guy was like three bucks. And I was like, oh, God damn. The whole fucking family. The whole family. The name, the number, all in the proud buck family name. I was like, God damn it. Jesus Christ. It would never, ever happen at the Corolla House.

I wonder what they would have thought of it, other than confused. I mean, if I expose my parents to that? Yeah. I mean, oh, I think they would have thought there were fools or, yeah, they would have been confused or why would anyone do that? Or what's, I don't get it. What's that get you? And also that they're criminals, right? No.

I thought anyone that acquired money acquired it by criminal means as far as you're not. No, I mean, yeah, there was like, you know, raping the land or who you know or, yo, dad, their dad must add money. It must be daddy's money. Daddy gave him something, left him something, less a customized license plate. You know, he said, before I die, here's some money. I want you to allocate for a custom license plate. Yeah, I'll tell you, so I'll tell you the license plate I saw on the ride in today. When I hated this person, even more than I hate Fondolier's parents.

After you're telling me about Rich Chapples. Speaking of Rich Chapples. I understand, Drew. I've done some broadcast. Okay. All right. So, driving in today. pull up, get behind a Prius, got a vanity plate and it says,

for you, Earth. I thought, what a colossal douchebag. Could never hang out with this douchebag ever. And at first I thought, is it a guy or a girl? I couldn't see. I was behind the car, you know? Yeah. And I thought, I hope it's a dude.

I hope it's a douchebag. And I pulled up and it was a hipster dude with the beard. I thought, what a douche. How old? Old enough to know better. But see, I think some of that is just a bid to try to be attractive. Because it's the new, it's the new, hey, look at me. Yeah, this guy was, this guy looked to be, he could have been 35 to 42.

It wasn't a kid. And I just thought, what a colossal douchebag for you, Earth. Thank you, hero. I hated this guy And I just thought I could never hang out with this guy Well on the other hand I probably would have said it about Matt

If I'd seen his parents back. All right Do we take a break before calls? Let's take a call first I called a few weeks ago Open a Line 3 has been on hold for him Oh line 3

All right James 31 From the Bay area Hey guys First time long time Yeah ma'am My wife actually suggested that I call in because I listen to the podcast sometimes,

and I'm doing it right now while I took a blue apron meal finishing off my last. Right on. Nice. So I've been in carpentry, and I know what it's like to add on. We actually add it on 1,200 square feet from my dad's house in the area, but it just seemed like such a pain in the ass. And living in a construction site, like you know, Adam, is just painful. It's not fun

But We like where we're at We like our neighborhood And we If we were to move We'd be compromising location Which is something we don't want to compromise So

I just keep going back and forth With the idea And it's just really I don't know It's giving me Like an anxiety Just to make a decision And she just wants to say

Well you said this And let's just do this Let's just do this Wait what did you say What's your wife Wanted you to do? Well Well, she wants me to make a decision whether to do it or not, and I keep going back and forth with it and myself.

She doesn't have, I mean, whether to add on or move? Yeah, exactly. And she's just saying, she doesn't have an opinion other than you should make a decision? Well, no, she does, but she wants me to be decisive in my opinion, so that when we make one. I would like the factor in her opinion. What does she want? Because you will pay. Yes.

will pay. So it's going to involve either way. It's going to involve the own. No, no, no. Hang on. You're not answering. You've lost the ability to answer questions. For Adam's assessment, he needs to know her position. On board with the addition. That's what she would like. She would like to do the addition. She thinks that the location is good and we like our neighbors.

I would argue that moving is actually more of a pain in the ass than living in a construction zone. What are we talking about doing? Basically, it's not crazy, but a bathroom, master bedroom addition. You know, there's certainly, yeah. Two-story. All right. There are things that can mitigate these things these days, you know.

They have a lot of stuff for dust abatement and stuff like that where they take these poles and put the plastic up and wall off areas and stuff. In the past, they just didn't have air scrubbers and things. things like that. It's like a bigger pain in the ass. They figured out a way to do things on a scale that's a little more manageable now with removal of garbage, just sort of the tools and the technology tools that have dust collection on them so you're not making a big dust storm in your living room and you're firing up the skill saw and things like that. So there's like a lot of air scrubbers that you can like rent and just plug in to just scrub the air. You know, there's a lot of

stuff and techniques that formerly nobody really used and also didn't really exist. And now there's just a lot of stuff that makes the, it makes the undertaking a little less stressful because of the technology. So I would- More manageable. It's more manageable. And I would invest in that. I would get the plastic and get the expanding little tent poles to go up to the ceiling

and push down off the floor and seal it off. Even the types of tapes they have and things like that. It's a better, they have better ways. Just with you, just that, you know, people wear latex gloves now. Like when they work on cars, when we were, you know, it would be guys, when we were young, you changed your oil, and then you spent the next hour standing in front of the sink with the lava soap, you know, scrubbing and getting the secured oil out front.

Now everyone just slides on a pair. They buy big boxes. Why we didn't do that before, it's bizarre. I did my entire construction career. I never owned a pair of gloves. And I see people put on mechanics gloves. They put on respirators. You know, they put the blue gloves on.

They mix up the stain with the blue gloves. And they just peel them off and throw them away. You know, and then it's got stain all of myself. It's never coming out. You know? I think James is seeing a pain in the ass for him since he is a carpenter. He's going to be, you know, involved in all of this. And that's true.

James, are you going to do all the work? mostly i'm obviously i still have a full-time job so i'd have to subcontract some of it but i could see myself you know running it being a big part in the stuff that will call you know what a pay is are you a real carpenter um not as good as you adam good answer what will be the size of uh opening for a door height wise 6-8-8-0 I was going to say 7 but okay close enough

now you scare me a little bit that's all regulated by the state right I've actually I haven't been you know doing construction in my current job but I mean I've understood give me some give me the two layout scenarios for the stud wall

what do you mean two layouts well like you're going to lay out a wall and you're going to take your stud and you're going to spread them out. 16 on center? Yeah, give me the second one. 24 on center? Okay.

I like where we're going here. Is there a third one? Glulem or beam and not have... No. No, no third one. That's good. That's good. All right.

Bottom plate is made out of what? Greed. Yeah. All right. We're doing okay. He's crawling. He scraped... He lost a couple of early rounds,

but he's making his way back into this fight, Drew. I like where you're at. All right, James, you'll be fine. Your wife, she's going to help? Meals and stuff. Sure, yeah. Well, listen, it's helping. Listen, you do what you can do.

I've had the conversation with my wife and with other people, which is I don't expect you to do stuff you can't do. You can't do this and you can't do that, but there are things you can do and you should do those things. Actually, you should do twice as much of those things because you're not doing this part. Yeah. Yeah. All right, take a little break. All right. We'll be right back after this.

You're righty. He's back. Who do you want to talk to, Drew? Line two. Line two. Andy, 34, Atlanta. Yes, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my call again.

What's going on, man? I appreciate you. Yeah, so I called a couple months ago. I was kind of frustrated with my sexual life with my wife. She had, you know, gained something. 40 pounds during the pregnancy and then an additional 60 pounds after the pregnancy. And Dr. Drew recommended that I go with her to her nutritionist and her doctorate and that's how I initiate a dialogue with helping her, you know, lose some weight,

which is a very difficult conversation. I know. You probably know with a woman. Yeah, yeah. Sure. So in the meantime, you know, I've, you know, we have a 10-month-old. And going to doctor visits together is not very logistical. You know, finding a sitter.

They want to have the appointments at 9 a.m. And it just, that, well, it's probably good advice. Logistically didn't really work out. So I started going to a therapist, and I didn't want to call you guys every day and ask for advice. So I started sitting down with somebody. And she's, you know, trying to help me through making the relationship work. my wife is not motivated to get healthy and it concerns me on several levels, you know, but she's definitely 70 pounds overweight and kind of, I guess the baby brain is what they call it.

She's just all about the baby and she doesn't want to get back to work and I want to help her get healthy. I feel your pain because I've been put in this position where it's like all you're doing trying to help or make someone's life better or make them healthy or whatever. And you feel like everything's an argument. But I'm not sure what you're arguing about because I got an argument with my wife the other day about, she wanted to know why took the air mattress to the warehouse. And I'm like, because I'm a constant continuous motion of organizing, cleaning, remodeling, fixing, and keeping up. And she's like, well, you took it.

You didn't even say it. It's at the warehouse, you know. We can go get it. Tell the guy, call Rob, tell him to bring it over. You know, whatever. Yeah, but you tell you, I said, all I do is attempt, I didn't take it to go bang when your friends on it in the park. I'm organizing.

Like, it's a weird, it's, with women, it's so true because everything just feels like something to them. Guys, we don't work that way. We're like, oh, you took the air mattress, there's wine. I'm trying to clean up an organizer on here. And you go, oh, thanks. But I'm going to need it this weekend. So, then when you're at the shop, go grab it.

Or whatever it is. But women, it always feels like something. And it's weird to be the person where it feels like something, but you're not doing anything other than burning calories trying to make people's lives better. So it's a weird position to defend. You know what I mean? Because you feel yourself having to defend this position.

You want her to be healthy. You want her to be happy. You want her to be more engaged. You want your relationship to be better. But you have to get defensive about it. Yeah. It's weird. It's kind of juvenile.

My question to you guys is, so I've been in now for about eight sessions with my therapist, and we're trying to work through a constructive way to, you know, bring up this issue with her. And, you know, burn a thousand calories on this. She should be burning calories at the gym, and you've got to sit around and talk to someone about her to talk to her about health. I know. I know. And meanwhile, I'm going through shoulder surgery. I have a dislocated problem with my left shoulders, so I have to go through physical therapy and stuff all the time.

So I'm constantly exercising. Oh, I got it. What is her thing when you talk to her about being healthier and making better decisions, you know, when you guys eat for the kids and all that stuff? Yeah, so first of all, I know the woman I'm married. I mean, she was, she was six foot tall and she was probably 100. 60 pounds when we married. And she wasn't like this petite, you know, woman. I mean, she's got, like, she's a great person and, you know, she's beautiful. When we were dating, you know, like she's, she's high energy and independent. She's a contractor, which Adam, I know you can appreciate. She,

she has a total niche market in this suburbia of Atlanta that we live in where, you know, she does, like, she has a sister, half her size? Right. Yeah. She has a clientele of women that feel really comfortable of her, like, you know, doing work at their house and their husbands are away. What kind of stuff does she do? What kind of stuff? Like full-on kitchen remodels to just painting a room or, you know, hanging a picture. I mean, she does everything.

Everything's large, you know. Wow, I like this. Okay. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, all right. You sound pretty good. Yeah. Well, my question.

My question is kind of to Dr. Drew. this therapist that I've been seeing, you know, she's helped me through some questions that I've had. But I've been wondering recently, I mean, are therapists in the business of always making a relationship work? Or would they ever tell you, hey, maybe this is not the relationship you should be in? Listen, the purpose of therapy is not to answer questions. The therapy is to give you an environment in which you can connect to your genuine feelings and answer your own questions. So you have to come to clarity by virtue of having an intersubjective, safe environment. So you would never go to somebody, oh, man, Dr. Phil is not doing therapy, Andy.

He's doing television. Therapy is, huh, that must feel, what does that feel like? Huh, that must be tough. Oh, I see you're upset. Huh. Yeah. And what's that all about? What's this?

And a lot of what's called therapeutic wonderment, which is therapists know exactly what they're going after, but they'll go, wonder what that's about. What is that? And they know exactly what it's about, but they want you to feel it and come up with it. And so a therapist is never going to go, hey, let's, you should end that marriage. They're going to go, how do you feel about this marriage? They're going to go, is this working for you? And then spend. They would never say, you know what, you should divorce your wife.

You'd be better off, right? Well, if the person were a heroin addict and was holding a pistol to your head, they would say, get out of there. There are things when we say, get out of there because it's medically appropriate. But in terms of you making it a major life decision, it's entirely unethical for a therapist to get involved in any way in that, other than to give you an environment to come to it yourself. Now, most couples that come to therapy are coming, often break up, and the therapy is about helping them with the breakup process. helping them with the breakup process.

So it's not as though everything has to work out, but everyone has to come to awareness about what they want, and then the therapist supports them in actuating what it is they want. Do you feel like your wife is pushing you away with the weight and with the sort of response to it? Yeah, you know, it's an interesting question. Yeah, subconsciously, I feel like there's a little bit of rebellion. and, like, she has a lot of friends that are her age that are also having kids, and, you know, they rebound from the pregnancy very quickly. I mean, they're in their early 30s, and they lose the weight, you know. Yeah, yeah.

I get it. I think Andy's, I think what Andy's probably dealing with is, is she, she's kind of subconsciously saying, I'm not interested in this relationship because I'm not interested in working. Right. I'm only interested in this baby right now, and there might be a depression behind that. There's probably a depression about Andy. Here's what I would say to you. Give it time, Andy, please. Don't make any decisions.

Also realize, you know, this is kind of about her. You're making it about you, which I understand. You live with her. It's all you can do. That's all you can do. But try to step back a little bit because you seem like a person that's able to step back a little and go, you know what, this is her. This is about her.

She's going through a rough patch right now. and what I'm going to do right now is just literally pretend like this is somebody whose horse just died. I'm not going to start talking about new horses or explain her what happened to the old horse. We're just going to sort of tell her it's going to be all right. We're going to get through this. Don't worry. This is the way wildfire would have wanted it. That's a great song.

The point is, detach yourself a little bit for a while, try to just be there. And then we can make a decision in six months if she's not. starting to take corrective behavior modalities. Yes, true? Yes. All right. Until next time, Adam Crolla for Dr. Grusanne. Mahalo.