The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #428: Work Harder, Push Through It

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

October 5, 2016Adam and Drew open up the show discussing the realities of getting older and how phantom pain tends to be creeping in where it never would’ve before. They then recall an episode of Loveline wherein Kelly Osborne claimed to be an expert in a topic while being unable to answer even the most basic questions on that topic. The Osbourne conversation gives way to a bit of a left turn into talking about heavy metal music before the guys go to the phones and speak with a caller whose brother is a severe substance abuser with a young daughter he is concerned for.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time for a throwback. This is October 5th, 2016. Talk about the realities of aging. Yeah, now that's almost comical. Phantom pains creeping around. Then we talk about a love line episode where Kelly Osborne claimed to be an expert in a topic of World War II in specific, but could not answer the most basic question. Yeah, Axis allies. I remember that one vividly. And then we take a left turn into talking about heavy metal music before. we go to the phones and speak with a caller whose brother has a severe substance problem. Enjoy this throwback episode from 2016. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on.

No choice. Better get on, man. They get it on. Welcome to the program. Thanks for tune in. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for doing what you do. How you doing, Drewiskees?

Good, man. What's happening? Neck still hurting a little bit. Good times. Good times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks getting older, right?

Doesn't it? Yeah, you know why? Because you just like, I find myself just skipping rope sometimes and my knee just starts hurting. And I just like, why? I didn't even do anything. Yes. And he's like, I don't need a reason.

Just because. And my stupid sort of young athlete head, goes, work harder, push through it. And then it gets worse or it comes back more easily. And I won't accept anything other than I can push through. I can figure this out. Yeah. It's really just foolish, but I can't get out of that.

I really can't. What happens, though, is work and stuff intervenes so I can't work out or something. And then I feel better. I go, oh, yeah, I guess I'm over training. Yeah. Well, I never do that. I just skip rope. And then I just shadow box like an idiot.

But I never. And then on then I forced myself to do a couple of push-ups, but that's about as far as I get with it. Two shows ago, we were talking towards the end of the show. I forgot to bring it up the yesterday show about you were talking about the Libertarian Party candidate not being substantial. Gary Johnson. And we had said I wanted to finish a comment about that. Let me do that, which is that there are people in this world that are substantial just by virtue of sort of who they are almost genetically. Is that, is that, am I, am I on to something here?

Because, like, let me tell you. One time I worked with, like, Ozzy Osmore and something. And I remember shutting the door and talking to him. And even with his Parkinsonism and all his impairment stuff, I thought, oh, my God, this is a, this is a substantial person. There's a real, there's a lot to this guy. And interesting, I had kind of the same experience with his kids and Sharon and stuff. There's certain people, you just go, oh, my God, there's just a lot here. And it feels like those, you feel.

You feel sort of genetic almost. You're like when Kelly was coaching him up on World War II? Yeah, that. You don't remember that story? No, tell me. That was you at your biggest pussy worse. Tell me. I made the proclamation that chicks don't know anything about World War II.

Oh, Kelly Osborne. Yeah, yeah. Or any, I'm only talking about what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As I'm fond of saying. Yes. And Kelly was the guest that night. and she had to disagree.

Yeah. Well, she said she was an expert. She announced. Well, I just explained that I've never talked to a woman and really knew anything about World War II. I just never have. Whatever, I just never have. I know guys who do, and I just never met a woman that did.

And then she said, well, I was wrong, because she happened to be an expert. Well, not as was that, but she's from Europe. She was an important history, and she, of course, knows it. And you said, oh, let's just talking with something easy. Who are the allies? No, you know what she said that got me scared? Because I said, well, how is it that you, you know, of course, I always thought, oh, my biggest fear was kind of like, I remember it like when I had my first meeting with Entomol, they were explaining to me that this guy named Ty Pennington, and he was hilarious, and he was a master carpenter.

And I remember just thinking of myself, that doesn't sound right for me. I'm hilarious. I'm a master carpenter, but no one else is hilarious. in a master carpenter. But I remember, I always take people's word for it. I'm the kind of person that if a bum told me he used to own 500 franchisees of Chippole, I'd just go, wow, that's impressive. Oh, here's a dollar.

Like, I just, if you tell me something, it's part of. You take it in its word. That word. Well, it's part of what screws me up in life a lot. Or people just tell me stuff. And I go, oh, shit. And then later on, they go, I was wrong. I go, don't tell me then because I tend to believe you.

So when somebody, like Kelly Osborne says, whatever you're saying, women don't know anything about World War II, you're wrong. I'm an expert. I tend to believe her. What did she say that was scary, though? She said my dad was born in London town. I think 47, something like that, would have been a little after the Blitz. and he grew up in that sort of bombed out town. And he was obsessed with World War II.

And so he would frequently just sit home, watch the History Channel. And I would sit with him. And that's what we did. We watched all the, you know, March to Dunkirk and all this kind of stuff. So I thought, oh, she spent, if she's sitting next to her dad the whole time watching the History Channel, and he's from England and he's obsessed with the Blitzkrieg and everything. then I could see where she absorbed a lot of this information. I think I remember you going, good.

This is great. Good for your dad. Probably wasn't happy about it. Oh, good for dad, yeah. But I wasn't happy to be wrong. Yeah. But good news with me in being wrong. Never lasts.

So I said, all right, well, let's just start at the beginning. Allied Axis, who fought each other? And she's like, oh, that's a trick question. Come on. And I was like, well, no, the main players, the main players. It's done for Canada and whatever. Yeah, we don't need to go fringe. Just the kind of the big two or three on each side who's up against who.

It's like, ah, please, come on. Ask a real question. I was like, that's not a in the weeds kind of question. That's the first question. And she's like, no, it's a trick question. Come on. Ask another question. I said, if you can't.

I think we even went so far as to say he went France. Are we fighting against France? Italy. Are we against Italy? You were starting knocking them down. It's akin to saying I'm an encyclopedia of football trivia and knowledge. And you go, who played in the last Super Bowl? And you're like, oh, come on.

I can't get, no one goes that deep. You're like, come on. You can't call yourself an encyclopedia of knowledge and not know who played two Super Bowls ago. She called herself a war expert. I'm looking for the clip. Oh, really? Wow. War expert was the term she used.

Drew, who was a colossal pus, was like, okay, all right, all right, okay. Well, I leave her alone. I mean, Jesus, it's uncomfortable. We're sitting in that little room and you're like beat the shit out of Kelly Osborne. No, my thing was this. All you have to do is admit you're not a war expert because you cannot put expert and not know who fought in it. It's not to say you may not know some things about it, but I think the expert, the title of expert, will save for people who know who is fighting in the war.

Yeah. And then maybe even some other things. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. But go back to the substantial. Drew was such a push. Drew's like, oh, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's okay. But go back to the substantial thing I was talking about. Do you know what I'm talking about? Is that a real thing?

Or am I just sort of imagining that. This is my cutting, Dunning Kruger effect problem. There are people who have a physicality. A presence, yeah. And the physicality and the presence are a little bit difficult to divvy up sometimes. They're kind of, sometimes one does the other and the other does the one. And there's a sort of a, I know, Geneseiqua can't explain it, but it's not all about how strong your chin line is. There's just some people that have, they exude something.

Some people. But it feels like a little complexity, too. I mean, there's something interesting about them also. No? Yes, yes. I can feel. Ozzy Osbourne wouldn't be the guy I would jump to the top of my list. But in a weird way.

I was surprised that that was there, though. That's what I was saying. Well, I'm trying to think because in a weird way, to the best of my knowledge, although I'm sure a lot of heavy metal folks could probably correct me on this or I might tend upset. I mean, but I'm not sure that Ozzy Osbourne possesses any actual talent that I'm aware of. I mean, I don't know that he plays an instrument. I don't know that he sings particularly well. I mean, he's got something.

You don't have showmanship. He's right up there with Alice Cooper in the, what do you do again? Oh, I sold 10 million records or 30 million records. What do you do? I've heard you sing. Mm-mm. I've not really seen you pick up an instrument. And I've heard a couple of your songs.

But not sure what you do. Like maybe that's a, maybe that's a, yeah, you know, people can write, he's written a few songs, yeah. So is Alice Cooper. But I feel like I could write a couple songs too. But that wouldn't really make me a great musician or anything. In a weird way, maybe this thing you speak of transcends. This is the reason he has able to do what he does. Is it Max Pat, stop me if I'm wrong.

Do we know what Ozzy Osbourne does? I mean, I know we all have to get on the crazy train and go along with it. Well, to be fair, does he do anything? I think, yeah, he's just now just a personality. What was he? I know he leads Black Sabbath, but Yeah What was his specific skill sets?

No, look, you hear Ronnie James Dio sing And you go, that guy's got pipes for days And then you see Eddie Van Halen play the guitar And you go, okay, that guy can play the guitar But then there's Ozzy Well, but the whole, but to be fair, Does he play the guitar? But you're peeling back

He was a good singer. He was a good singer. Yeah, he was a good singer. And he just, he was a force on stage. He's a really great friend. There you go. All right.

You're making my point. Did he write? All right. Did he write Iron Man, Crazy Train, and or, uh, well, think of the next one. Sorry. All right. Yeah. So what we're talking about?

Well, I just bring that up. Let's take some calls. How about that? Paranoid. If he didn't write Paranoid, it's off. Because as far as I can tell, there's one good Sabbath song. He co-wrote Iron Man. All right.

Iron Man's a piece of shit. Why are you looking at? I am iron. Hey, dude, you're 41. What's going on? I am Iron Man. Co-wrote. Paranoid? What was the other one you asked about?

Paranoid is all about crazy train. Paranoid is all the riff. And so is crazy. So it's crazy. So it's crazy tape. So unless you wrote... Co-wrote that. If you wrote the lick, if you did the lick... He didn't write the lick.

We all know that. All right. Well, then he's worthless. If you didn't write the lick for paranoid, Paranoid's a great lick, and crazy turn is a great lick. But if you didn't do that lick, I got no time for you.

Okay. Yeah, the guitar part is just... But look, isn't it... But he was a good singer? Isn't it generally weird? Guys, listen, really, really that... Good front, man. Is it generally weird that...

That, from, you know, 19... 655 to present or something, it's just a weird period of history where if you were a good guitar player this new instrument, the electrical guitar. You can make billions and millions of dollars. It's just, I mean, think about it, how many great musicians are of all kinds of instruments. But this is just a weird little period of history.

And a lot of them were not such good musicians, by the way. What? They just hit the right. I was just telling me about what accomplished musician. I mean, it's so weird, though. Yeah, no, it's not weird to me. The only weird part is I don't know what Ozzy Osseborn does. No, the whole movement is weird.

But I like him. I do like him. Don't get me wrong. It was just a group of people that hit a business at the exact right moment. Yeah. It's record selling. Yeah. All right. I'll file him in with Alice and Frank Zappa, although Frank can play the guitar.

But I did not like any of his songs. All right, but everyone tells me I'm wrong. We'll figure it out. Let's say a quick call, shall we? Yeah. What do you want to do? Line 5. Before you go to Stamps.com, quickly.

All right. Let's talk to John 29, South Dakota. John. Hey. Hey, man. I just have a question about. my brother and his daughter because

with my brother, he's really, really addicted to pretty much everything. He's just, yeah, but it scares the hell out of me to think that his daughter's going to end up like that. Well, end up addicted or end up with a guy's high all the time.

Right. It goes both ways. I can see, I can probably see that either one, but I'm more worried about that. She's going to end up just I'm worried of the season to end up. All right. Well, here's the deal.

What's your ethnic background? I am white. Okay. That narrows it down pretty good. How about him? Is he different than you? No. Okay.

And where do your ancestors come from? We're Wittsburgville Lane. We come from where Welsh, German, Russian. All right. So there's about a 50% probability. that she would get the potential for addiction. And even if she has the potential, you can reduce the risk that that potential becomes reality

by taking care of her psychologically. So just having that addicted crazy, you know, chaotic dad, you know, it's not exactly psychologically healthy. So just even if she doesn't have the potential for addiction, a therapist for her would certainly be in order. An early intervention improves the outcome. So age eight is actually a perfect time to get it going. How are you with your brother?

I mean, is he? It's really strange. Hold on. Can I say something? Yeah. I know I've brought this up in the past, but I've had such an impacted assful in my life of like trying to help people. Yeah. I don't mean like, here's $10. But I just mean like, oh, hey, hey, let's fix this.

And I'm going, and leave me a lot. Like, why are you going to bother me? It's like when it's never, I'm not, I'm taking time out to try to help you accomplish something and you're punching back at me. What, what is that? I don't, I don't think I've ever, you know, when somebody says to me, look, here's how you pronounce this name or you'd get a whole lot of better whatever by doing it this way or, you know, you just get a better outcome if you'd try that. I never go, hey man, you're not the boss of me. go thanks. Yes, exactly.

I appreciate it. Yeah. I like where your head's at. You're sitting around trying to think of stuff to help me. Well, I like that. Oh, hell yeah. But what the fuck is with everybody? I know.

All the time where it's like, hey, your daughter's over here. I'm scared she's going to end up on a stripper pole and with a needle hanging out of her arm. I'm going to, hey, man, you're not the boss. You know, what is I know is a substance? It's this. It's that. It's everything else. Pride.

It's whatever. But can we just fucking give it all a rest for a second? Like when someone, when someone comes at you. Can you not figure out the intention of the person who's coming at you? Like, they're not coming at you asking for money or massage. They're coming at you trying to help something in your life, which transcends money or a massage. What's with all the pushback? Yeah.

What is that, Drew? If it's not, I don't want to stop using, which is a lot of it, it's avoidance of shame. It's shame intolerance. Do we have to get the push? Is the push have to? Yeah, because if I let it in and I acknowledge that I need your help, I feel ashamed. Something's wrong with them. I'm impaired and broken.

And they are so defensive about that, so narcissistic, that you have to fight it off. You, the other night, went and saw my documentary. All I did was sitting in an edit bay with a guy going, I don't know, what do you think? You want to do this? And him going, I think we should put, though, I think we should have the guy down and then go to Lamon. It makes more tracks better that way. And I'd go, okay. Hey, editor guy.

Yeah. What do you think? You agree with Nate? Yeah, I do. Okay. Let's do it that way. That's all I do. I don't know.

There's not an answer. Hey, whoa, that's my idea. That's your idea. Hey, what about my idea? There's nothing. I mean, at a certain point, I did have an idea that we needed to whack out a thing. And Nate wouldn't do it. He was doing it like incrementally.

And like for the first time, I finally just went, hey, it's out. Get it. Don't take it out 10% of the time. Just get rid of it. We're two hours here. But by large, it's one big. What do you think? I don't know.

what do you think? Get this guy to watch it. Hey, Andrew, come in here. Tell us, which way do you like it? Good. We'll go it that way. Why not? Yeah. It's my movie. Yeah.

I get the credit. It's your life. You get the credit. I'm with you. What's with the battle? And as I say to people all the time, how well's your way working? Alcoholic, Dad? How's that going?

All right. So, John, sorry. I got angry. Can you just go talk to your brother when he's sober and kind of have a discussion with him? I'm sure I could, but you pretty much described my brother perfectly. I mean, he just... The humorous that people have.

Yeah, he completely refuses to accept any help as long, you know, that deals with something that he's not already used to. Unfortunately, everything that he's used to is contributing to his problems. Of course. Is he, you know, but we have a... Is he gainfully employed? Do you have all to work? No, not, not at all.

He is in and out of... jail and prison. In fact, he rarely ever sees his child because of it. But the biggest problem we have with the family right now is that everybody has a different plan to deal with it. And so he just kind of jumps from person to person.

Yeah. He's not ready until he's ready. I don't know what it's going to take. And I get it. The daughter's the issue. Where's the daughter living if this guy's in and out of prison? He is living with her mother and her stepfather. Okay. Yeah. So get us some

Yeah, well, we know her mom makes bad decisions. Does she make another bad one with the step-down? It doesn't seem like it, but we don't ever really see them that, you know, that much. If you don't see them in her relationship, then why are you ruminating about your, this girl that you have no relationship with? It's weird. Well, we used to have a strong relationship, but as Mark's problems got more and more severe, she started becoming more more distant. So, you know, we grew up with a strong relationship with her. Well, John, why don't you try to reconnect?

Hold on a second. Yeah. She was born when you were 22. What do you mean when we grew up there was a strong relationship with her? Or, oh, yeah, I guess, sorry, I miss worded that. You're freaking me out a little bit. Well, but. Yeah, yeah.

Sorry, I meant to say that, you know, when she grew up, that's how I meant to word it. Okay. Well, listen, John. God bless you for caring. Yeah. Let's not make your brother your project. Let's make you and your life and your family your project. But let's not have this innocent person suffer. And now of that, if you miss her, go reconnect with her.

By all means, and tell that family you've been thinking about it. It's your niece. You saw her as a kid and haven't seen her in years. Just because my brother's an asshole doesn't mean we can't have a relationship. Yeah. And connect and let them know that there's one brother that's sober and doing well. and not all men are bad and alcoholics and in prison and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right, quick break.

We'll be right back. We'll speak to Becky. Becky wants to know if Lynette still thinks I have Asperger. Well, talk to Becky right after this. All right, as promised. Becky. Oh, sorry. Are that hit line two?

Yeah, Becky, what's going on? Hey, not a whole lot. How are you doing? I'm doing pretty good. Not a lot going on. Not a lot going on. Yeah, I think about a lot because I agree with a lot of the stuff you say. Like, I just get really frustrated when people don't do things in a logical way.

And I've gotten to the point where I've convinced myself that, well, maybe I have Asperger's because I don't seem to fit in with people. And I can relate to so much of what you say. I, yes. Can I give you a very good example of something that you, just miffed me off last week. Sure. And then I asked burgers, but it's not me. It's, it's, I am applying for a loan and it's like a multi-million dollar loan.

It's like four million dollar loan. Okay. And the, it was, oh, everything was going to work and then it wasn't. So at some point, after everything was going to work, the word gets back to me, you're not approved for four million dollars. And I said, uh, okay. and it's like my person talked to the person and said, not approved for the $4 million.

I said, all right, well, it took a long time to arrive at that, but what am I approved for? Oh, I don't know. Well, what's up? Well, they said no to the $4 million. Okay, but are we good for two? It's a different loan. I don't know.

It's a different loan. Well, I get it. But did you ask, what are we good for? Or can we process? Okay. You got all the financial. financials in front of you, yeah? Push it through now at $2 million and see what happens.

Like, I don't know. They just said they're no good at 4. And it's like, okay, am I the only one is thinking that I need this money and I'll take $2 million or maybe it's $1.3? I don't know. It's good for something. And then I have these conversations where I go, would they lend me $1? Oh, yeah.

Would they lend me $5 million? No, they wouldn't. All right. Now we're starting to narrow this down. It's somewhere between $1 and $5 million or $4 million. So it's not like they have to go to an actuarial have analysis and have somebody. I know you like to support everyone who's not in the room. No, I'm just saying.

I don't know what they have to do, true, because it was never asked. No one ever went, well, okay, so what are we good for? They just went, all right, well, that's not going to work. And then they just hung up and they moved on. And my Asperger's, or whatever we want to call it, thinking like a logical human being is like, go find out what? were good for. They've had the paperware. They processed all the paperwork for a month. They've been filtered. All this paperwork's been filtered through them. Just get on the phone and go, and they go, they'll do this one too. And they'll go, well, they have to. I go, listen,

here's the guy. All right, all, you've seen all the stuff. You've seen all the stuff. You've seen everything, right? Okay. I'm not going to hold it. Hold you to it to it. But just what you've seen. What are we talking about here? Ballpark. You don't have to put it in writing. Just what can we count on here? Because we're trying to get to $4 million. If we can count on $2 million, then we're going to readjust a few things here. But what do you think? I was like, I don't know.

I didn't ask the guy. Like, and then we sent the guy in email. And the email basically said, hey, where, where are we at? What, okay, four. Fine. No four. Where are we at? Guy wrote back, oh, I can't know, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Never answered the question at all. And it's like, hello, what the fuck business? Is everyone in? What do you guys do? You sell roofing material and you do loans or you just do loans? And then if you just do loans, can you come back with an answer? No. But more importantly, a person in my end, why not ask?

Yeah. And that's the part about life. Now, that means I have a disease. I ran into him yesterday. Who's him? Your finance guy. Oh, Tony. Tony.

Yeah. It wasn't him. It's, uh, his was Fred Flintstone's grandson. their son? Yes, yes. Fred Flintstone's grandson. That's his claim to fame. Yes.

Actually, being me and Jimmy's accountant is now, it's claimed to fame. It was being Fred Flintson's grandson. Yeah. That's really funny. All right. So Becky, sorry. Where were you? Oh, but I was just agreeing with you that when you, you know,

observe people doing something in a way that is like illogical or backwards, I myself don't understand why it's people like us that think, like, you should use logic and common sense, why that would be considered a disorder or disability. I go to the same thing. Yeah, I woke up the other day and my son was eating a Nature Valley honey nuts granola bar for breakfast. And I said, this isn't good for them. And everyone kind of looked at me like, oh, boy, here we go. And it's like, I know this makes me a world-class dick, but I just want him to eat.

an egg. And then everyone looked at me like, okay, what are we going to do now? Here it go. And I was like, I'm not saying anything other than he should eat an egg. And I said, Sonny, do you think, by the way, we had a milestone over at the Corolla house. I said, do you think you could eat a hard boiled egg? And he said, I don't know. I might like one. I said, Olga, fire up some hard boiled eggs right now. Let's make some. Cool them off. I'll cut one in half. I'll put a little salt and pepper on the place. you can kind of dab it and a little salt and pepper. He ate the egg.

He said, that's good. And I said, Olga. And she said, yeah, I said, boil up a dozen eggs, peel them, put them in a bowl, put some sulfane over them, put them in the fridge, sunny. Yeah, that's your egg. That's what you eat for breakfast now, right? Yeah. Okay.

You're going to do that? Yeah. Good. I like it. Good. Done. Now, I know that this means I have a disease, but in my mind, all I'm trying to do is I see a problem. I'd like to

solve it and I'd like to solve it with the least amount of conflict is possible. Now, I don't expect to live in a world where people, where their son goes, I love hard-boiled eggs. I'm like the guy from Cool Hand Luke and Olga's already bringing home a bushel

of eggs that she got from the coop that we had installed in the backyard. Like, I get we don't have that life, but what I'm looking for is not going on to physician.com and trying to figure out what disorder I have. I'm just looking for a little, all right, let's see what we can do here. That's all.

Drew, you feel me? Yeah. So what does Drew think? Does he think that that makes sense? Or is he on board with it? Yes, being logical has nothing to do with Asperger's. That's correct. Okay.

Okay. So is Lynette still on that? I noticed that you were on a thing for a while about putting more keys in the right place or the same place. things like I think you would, you're marching down, you're marching down a path that has little or nothing to do with Asperger's. Oh. Okay, that's cool.

But I knew it was something that was brought up at one time and I hadn't heard anything about it in a while. Yeah, I appreciate it. No, I think the Asperger sings is not being empathetic or having feelings for or something. It's missing certain social cues. It's tinkering. liking mechanical stuff. It's not liking eye contact one of the time.

Hold on looking down. And it's, yeah, it's the facility with the social cues, the social experience of the other. Well, maybe the tinkering is just a solo sport. Yeah, probably. But I think there's something in it, too, something gratifying about it, rewarding. I find it not rewarding.

And some people, even people without Aspergers, find it rewarding. I mean, I'm sure what was that guy on the show? The Cobret Shelley team? Shelby. Shelby team. The master mechanic. Oh, Phil Remington.

I'm sure that guy looked very social and always very gregarious in the pictures you saw. But he was a mechanical genius. Right. So you don't have to be Asperger's or a mechanical genius. Mm-hmm. All right. I feel you. And I have a little dusting of that.

But generally what I'm trying to do is establish my, my, here's my thing. My thing is you can get a little bit done if you make that little a lot, or you can get a lot done if you can move efficiently. So it's a sort of a thing like, I used to tell when I used to coach boxing, I would say, I was good with the analogies back then. I'd say, look, if I took you a, three miles offshore and dumped in the ocean, and you started flailing, you'd drown.

Like, you'd never make it. You have one shot at making it to shore. That's a smooth, rhythmic, efficient kind of motion. And if you think about swimmers, their head, they need to breathe, but their head never comes flying out of the water. It's just a turn, just enough to get their mouth out, get a little goal player, back down again. Think about everything a swimmer does. They've shaved their body.

They're wearing the tight, you know, form-fitting stuff. They've got the cap on. And just think about how they swim. And then when they take that little gulp of air, because how are you going to cover this distance at this speed if your head's popping out of the water? So my feeling is, let's all just smooth out the motion. And then we'll be able to cover a lot of ground, but we'll also be able to do 15 podcasts.

a week and finish a documentary, the second one in two years. Smooth. How are you going to do a feature-length documentary and do a ton of podcasts, a ton of travel, be the world's greatest dad? It's my most important role. Go vintage car racing and blah, blah, blah. How are you going to do all that at the same time? Well, you better figure out how to be smooth about it.

And that's what I try to implement. But if you're going to fight the smooth, then you're going to limit the amount you can do. Yeah. Or even if you take choppy, inefficient strokes, it's eventually going to catch up with you. Yeah. So smooth it out. Make it to the shore. Don't start flailing.

You're going to drown. And that's the way you get a whole bunch done. It's easy. But you have to work at it. and a good a good mindset would be don't fight it

it's a lot of push yeah push back a lot of pushing all right so until next time I'm calling for Dr. Drew Sane Mahala for Dr. Sam. Mahala.