The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #432: It’s Loveline

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

October 10, 2016Adam and Drew open the show with a mental error that leads Adam into telling a story about an interesting interaction that he had with Amber Rose recently at a podcasting upfront event. This leads into a natural conversation about the new iteration of Loveline that Amber Rose will be co-hosting and the former hosts’ thoughts on the transition. They then turn to the phones and speak to a woman who starting lactating again when her child was two years old and another who is gay and struggling with his political frustration with the left.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time for a second throwback episode from October 10, 2016. We tell a story about an interesting interaction with Amber Rose recently at a podcasting up front event, which leads to further conversation about newer iterations of Loveline that Amber Rose could be co-hosting. And she did, in fact. And as we predicted, these things never work out the way they're supposed to. They've tried to resurrect the show so many damn times. and they completely, no one ever gets the essence of the show. And we've said it out loud many times.

No one seems to listen. And we get to the phone, talk to women who's starting to lactate again, which can be a serious issue. And another who is gay and struggling with his political frustrations on the left. Something that's interesting harbinger of the future for some of the members of the gay community. Back to 2016, October 10th. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.

Yeah, get it on, baby. To get it on, no choice, but to get on mandate. Get it on. It's Loveline. I'm Ample. It's Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Skiski over there. It's Love Line? Oh, it's a love line. It's Adam and Dr. Drew.

Wow, that's a muscle reaction. You know what I mean? Yeah, forgot about that. Wow, it is. Love Line's now a new show with Amber Rose. We've seen it or heard it? Yeah, you know, in the annals of people knowing anything or thinking anything or knowing anything or thinking anything or thinking anything, I went down to New York to do some sort of podcast up front thing, you know, where they present this and that, the other.

And I had this funny show. with Amber Rose. Hip-hop diva. I don't know what to call her. I don't know what shirt. I don't quite get it, but okay. Anyway. Seems nice.

It seems nice. This weird exchange. I'm there at the place in New York, and I brought along, like, my pants and shirt to change. It was warm. It was muggy. We were walking from the hotel. We're eating lunch and stuff like that.

So I took my shorts and shoes and stuff. and I was going to get changed at the venue. Yeah. Green room. Found out the green room, not much of a green room, just kind of an open atrium. Well, anyway, there goes, go changing the bathroom. Yeah. So someone's in the bathroom, and then the person walks out of the bathroom,

and then I go to walk in, right, as a woman comes up and goes, oh, you're going to use the bathroom? It was like a unisex. And I went, I was going to change. So you go ahead. So she goes ahead. Then the timing was perfect, because then when she laughed, Another woman walked up and went using a bathroom.

I was like, ah, I was going to change. But you go ahead and use the bathroom. Now, here's the funny thing. Amber Rose came up and I was standing outside the door. And the door was shut. But the door, the latch was somehow broken. The one where you'd turn it and says like occupied or whatever, like in the like in the bathroom, an airplane or something.

And I was just standing right in front of the door. There's no room. There's no anywhere to go. Sort of at the end of this green room hallway. And she said, she started to walk in or whatever. I said, oh, there's somebody in there. She said, are you sure?

And I said, yeah, I've been standing here trying to get in for a while. So, yeah. How do you know there's somebody in there? I said, well, they walked in and they closed the door. So I just let them. I let them in. That's how I know they're in there. You sure?

Oh, my God. Yes, I'm standing in front of the door. Yes, I'm, do you have a cat scan of it? mine that I'm unaware of? It wasn't, well, when I was here yesterday about this time, there was somebody here, so it stands to reason. Why didn't she just push the door? See what happened?

Well, I don't think she wanted to walk in on somebody who was sitting on the toilet. Right. So she asked me, but then she didn't like the answer she got. So it was like out of a movie where I went, well, there's definitely somebody in there because I've been standing in front of this door and I let them walk in there and I just saw them shut the door. There was another exit on the other side. Two minutes ago, it's possible they either went out through the sewage pipe or went through the vent, you know, Tom Cruise style.

It went up through the air vent. But the guy was a heavyset, fella. So, yeah, I don't think he's broken up the tile and tunneled out into the second. He could have dropped down into the ninth floor. It's probably 14 inches of concrete with number eight rebar in there. But I'd say there's a good 75% chance that the guy walked in here 86 seconds ago is still inside. of this because I've been standing here the entire time. And she's like, well, let me just knock and check.

Okay. I'm at it. The relationship that most people or a lot of people I meet have with life is insanely confusing to me. Because if I ever go to a bathroom and there's somebody standing out there and they go, there's somebody in there. And it's not a crazy homeless guy who's talking to a hat rack. Yeah.

I'll probably go, oh, all right. And have a seat. But she, out of a movie, out of a movie, did a, okay, as her hand hit the door, the toilet flush. It's like somebody, it was like somebody timed it like, like soon as her hand, it was like, it couldn't have been more satisfying for me because it's like the ultimate answer. Like the person literally answered in the answer of a toilet flushing. And I was like, and then she asked if that was on some sort of timed remote. No. Recording.

Yeah, I said. But you know what this boils down to, right, what the problem is? I don't know what the problem is. Well, this is a common thing today, which is people don't trust anything or anybody. It's why there's so much paranoia. It's why they don't believe. You could go out and describe a factual experience. People go, no, I don't believe it.

Because they don't trust anybody. It's incredible the lack of trust right now. Well, what I rely heavily on in my life is a little something called context. No, I know that. I know. And people don't bother with that. Who would be on the ninth floor of a building that we had to show, we had to show, it's one of those New York, Manhattan buildings. I mean, the Time Warner kind of, you know, big, you know, marble everywhere.

You get escorted up with a guard. They have the electric flappy gate thing to get you to the elevators, a kind of Howard Sterney kind of thing. You have to check in at the desk. Show your ID. There's nobody on this floor. There's nobody on this floor that's not a big buyer or celebrity or whatever it is. So I have a context. You see what I'm saying?

We're not at a subway and it's not 1977. This is the ninth floor of this building. Anyone who's up here is risen to some rank in our society. Otherwise, it wouldn't be floating around here. So you see what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, the point is that they're reliable to some degree. Right.

So then once we settle that controversy, she went in and used the bathroom. I went in and finally was able to change. And then they said, it's time for you to go out with Norm Patis and Shaquille O'Neal and make some sort of announcement. And I said, okay. And they brought us over and they put us in the wings. And they said, all right, these guys are just coming off stage now. And as soon as they come off stage, you go up on stage. We're running right on time.

and I stood there. And so, you know, the usual stand there for four or five minutes waiting around for them to wrap up their spiel. And they're like, and with the new formation of Loveline, let all be hosting and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, boy, you really, it's so weird. I always would say this back in the day when I'd see some celebrity on Johnny Carson or something. I didn't find out the show was canceled until I was drawing home, turn on the evening news that night. And I always go, oh, please, come on. Your agent called you or something.

You knew. You didn't turn on the news and find out. out or whatever. And it's like, now I believe them. Yeah. Because I was part of Love Line for 10 years. I shared a bathroom with Amber Rose. And I had no, she never said a thing to me, by the way. Like she didn't go like, oh, hey, man. I'm going to be, I don't think she would even know you were involved at the show. I don't think she'd know who you were, which is part of the majesty of where we are right now. And just judging from her on stage. Good luck.

That's what I would say. Well, every time people have tried to redo this, I wish some good luck. Remember it started off with Love Phones or whatever it was back in the day? My phones did it. And then Brady, Brody, what's his name, did one? What, Jenner? Brody Jenner did one, did a love line? The new love line, did the new love.

That was the last incarnation. Yeah, the guy, the co-host has been on your show before. His name's escaping me right now. But Chris Donahue, he's an interesting feller. Yeah. It's an odd couple to be pairing up. I personally, from my own point of view, am disappointed to lose a good comedian and a trusted doctor, which is what I grew up with, to go with a chick who fucks rappers and a dude who might be mentally imbalanced. Thank you.

My opinion, not anyone else's. Thank you. Listen, I wish them the best. I really do. I wish them good luck. You and I never had any negativity towards people that have redone that tried to do. this. Hey, listen, I, uh, I had guys replaced me on the man show.

Yeah, yeah. That's a, I invented the man show. Well, we just had Doug Stanhope, like, last week. And we, that's, you don't have any negative resentment towards him. No, look, I think if you're beat on it. And you're at Rogan, we deal with all the time. So, no, first off, you have to realize, when people get that way over gigs, it's a gig. Yeah.

I mean, it'd be like one air traffic controller. quitting and being angry at the guy who took his place. You know what I mean? It's like he's got to work for a living. That's his business. Right. You know what I mean? Like I don't look at it that way.

A lot of hundred percent. A lot of celebrities look at it as you're going to quit and who's going to, oh, if someone takes your place a pox on them, I don't feel that way. I'm with you 100%. On the other hand, Drew, I am a human being. Uh-huh. And I would not like the guys who replaced me and Jimmy to be more successful than me and Jimmy. I would not wish that. No. You wouldn't wish it, but you wouldn't blame them for that.

No, I'm not blaming, but you're talking about wishing well. No, nobody wants to leave and see the stock prices go up after they stop. You would feel bad about yourself, not bad about them. Yeah. Yeah, okay. As a human being. All right, fair enough. No, my, my, as I tell everybody when they go about the man show, where they go like, oh, we like the first four seasons, but we didn't. like the fifth season. I said, well, that's the season where Stone Stanley, the producers, actually produced the show. So if you want to see an example of what the show would be like with them actually producing, that's season five. If you want to look at the first four seasons, that's Jimmy and I producing and keeping them out of the sound stage. That's what it looks like. That's the level of competency. And by the way, that's with a template. That's four years head start.

That's a theme song and juggies and segments. That's a hard template and it's all laid out. That's what you get in season five of The Man Show. The producers actually producing. Now, you say to us, what made you not want those guys to help you produce your show? Watch Season 5 of The Man Show. And then you'll know why we did not want them producing our show. That's how it works.

That's all you need to know about life, everybody. Just watch the one they produced. Now, the thing that's funny is when people go like, well, you produce one through four. It was awesome. What happened to five? What happened to five is you got to get out there and ply your trade, your skills. That's what happened. You got to shine in season five.

And that's what happened. And that's why you shouldn't have producers telling comedians what's funny and what's not funny, because it ain't going to work. especially if the producers aren't funny. That's the problem. Yes? Yes. All right. I just wish more people knew how things actually weren't.

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All right. Heather, 31, St. Louis. What's going on? Hey, guys, how's it going? Good, man. Get it on. Yeah. Okay, so Dr. Drew, I was recently diagnosed with underactive thyroid.

Yeah. And just six months ago, I had normal routine blood work, and my TSA was completely normal. So in the last six months, I began relaxating. I have a two-year-old who I did nurse for a year. And was nauseous, extreme fatigue, brain fog, I thought for sure I was pregnant. I go to my OBG, we do a whole bunch of blood tests. He tells me your thyroid's not working properly. Come back in six weeks, we'll retest your blood.

And so that's kind of where I'm at right now. I don't know. Do I see a specialist? Yes. What are the next step? Yes. Okay. See an endocrinologist.

Here's the deal. Post-pregnancy is a common time to get hypothyroidism. Hashimoto's thyroiditis is the most common reason for hypothyroidism, though there can be transient hypothyroidism. There can be sort of thyroiditis and things like that that can affect it. The prolactin goes up when the thyroid goes down. That's why you're lactating again. And, you know, it's something that...

Are you any other medication? This kind of sounds a little like... Yeah. Well, the only... So I'm on the levosyroxene, which is new, and then I take 50 milligrams of Zoloft every... Okay, well, Zoloft can do all this. Really?

Really? You can raise the prolactin. It can do a lot of stuff. So, yes, you need to see a specialist. You should do whoever's prescribing the Zoloft. Let's see. My primary care does the Zoloft. My OBG did the thyroid.

So you're not seeing a psychiatrist for the Zoloft, huh? Well, I've been on in about a decade. Okay. And I'm actually, I'm a therapist myself. So I'm down to 25 milligrams, 50 milligrams. Okay. All right. So that's less likely to be medication if it's something.

thing you've been on before and you're reducing the doses. But again, post-pregnancy, things change a lot. So, yes, endocrinologist. Ideally, a thyroidologist, but an endocrinologist will be fine, I'm sure. Okay. This is routine as a fever to, you know, internist. All right.

So I'm not worried about something else causing it, like an autoimmune disease. Well, Hashimoto's thyroiditis is a autoimmune disease. But, yeah, but it's so, so common. I mean, it's exceeding a real doctor or just a love doctor. Thanks, Heather. You're telling me it's manageable. Thanks. Oh, yeah, no big deal.

And it might even be, it might remit, as I'm saying, sometimes it's transient. What kind of therapy are you doing? Oh, boy. I'm an LPC. And what kind of, what kind of stuff? Well, I actually work at our, I'm a private therapist in the public school system in Missouri. Wow. Oh, boy.

Seeing a lot of stuff? Seeing a lot of stuff. It's pretty heavy. Yeah. I think this, I think this position will be a burnout quickly. Boy. Yeah. What people do to their kids, huh?

Oh, my gosh. Let me tell you. It's where it all starts in parenting. And I work in elementary schools, and even then, I feel like it's too late for prevention. And we wonder why, like we were talking earlier, about a country where it was this or last show, people that don't trust. You know, people don't trust anybody. Oh, that show, yeah. People don't trust anybody.

And there's no trust because there was no caretaking. There was nobody available to them when they needed their developmental sort of nurturance. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, the thing about me. is I literally just say to somebody, here's how you know this is going to happen. I told you it was going to happen. That's how, you know, you're going to get paid back because I told it was going to pay you back or whatever it is I said I was going to do.

No trust. Don't trust you. Don't trust anybody. Yeah, but we could all be as logical as Adam. I mean, I think the wall will be fine. I'm not even nice. I just say whatever it is I say I would do. I just do it.

That's... Which is logical. Right. Yep. But most people are missing that piece. Yeah. Or they're missing the piece. that allows them to be logical.

Well, what usually will do it is don't include yourself or your own desires into the mix. Just remove yourself from the mix. Impossible. And then just go, will you do this or will you do that? Or how will you do it? Yeah. That's it. Yeah.

Logic. It's funny. People have to work on. And it's, it's, I had this exchange with Lynette last, you know, night where she was like, where is the steam cleaner, carpet cleaner, you know, the little mini-bissle one using, you know, when you hit the spot where the dog yacks on the carpet. I said, it's in the garage in the, in the pantry, like in the garage. And she's like, I look there. And I said, sitting there. And she said, well, where was it?

And I said, it's at the other shop because I was using it. And then I said, I bought. And she said, well, why did you bring it to that? I said, I bought two. I bought one for the shop and one for the home. And she was like, oh. And I was like, all right, listen, I'm buying two of these things. One's for the shop and one's for the home.

And there was no logic being woven into this. She was myth that I think she looked there and it was gone a few days ago. But I brought it back. But there's a piece here you're not really sort of factoring, which is something called projective identification. She had to project some of her misery into and upon you, right? I guess. Yeah, that's what that is. I'm the guy who goes.

I'm frustrated and you need to feel it. Well, here's the way I roll. If something's under 140 bucks and I got two locations, then I went two of them. Because I don't like the part where you go back and forth and where is it. And how I yelled at the guys in the other shop. Finally, I just yelled, would you buy three goddamn labelers? Stop. Oh, yeah.

Stop it. Stop. I can't find the label. I don't know where the labelers. We're using masking tape because we can't find the label. It's like, we borrowed the labeler from the guys in the front who make the movies. Now, they don't have it. Just buy three of them.

Would you please? And put one in the front, one in the back, make a label. It says, labeler. And put it in a drawer and put the goddamn label in the drawer. Ironically, make a label says labler. It's so weird. I'm telling you everybody, look, I'm not saying own a fleet of Bentley's. I'm saying nail clippers.

I'll give you the greatest example ever. I had to do this at my other house. Fly swatter. There's nothing that kills a fly like a fly swatter. You with your slipper or your rolled up newspaper, fools, Aaron. because as you take that newspaper and come down, a whoosh of air like pushes it out of the way. But here's the good news. Fly swatters are somewhere between a dollar and free.

Like when you go to the supermarket, a fly swatter is a half a coat hanger with eight cents worth of plastic stamped at the end of it. Like, honestly, the average price of a fly swat is 71 cents. I was living in a 7,000 square foot house and it'd be like, where's the fly? Look in the drawer with the batteries. You know, it's all. So I just bought five of them and I wrote kitchen on one and I put it in the kitchen. I wrote upstairs, you know, office on one. And I said, just leave them where they are.

And then when you see the fly in the office, you don't have to go down to the kitchen and search to the drawers with the batteries. fly swatters, toenail clippers, get five of those, get all that stuff and just scatter it around. Never be the idiot looking for that stuff. All right, where were we, drove? We're going to talk to Travis, who wakes up every morning at 3A with a painful erection, but first we'll take a break. Oh, I also kind of like to talk to Nick over there, too. Oh, you will. You'll talk to Nick.

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Let's see. Let's talk to Travis. Travis, 38, Kansas. What's going on? Man, Drew, get it on, guys. Get on, man. Get it on. Thanks for taking my call.

Sure. So over the last year, it's, I wake up every night, you know, anywhere from three to five, sometimes twice a night, just with a painful erection, have to go to the bathroom. That's the only way you can, you know, get the erection down. Meaning you urinate? Yeah, I have to urinate. I have to urinate. have pressure, you know, I have to, and it's almost... Hang on out, is the pain because the bladder is full, or is the pain just because of the

erection? Well, I mean, you definitely have the pain of having to go to the bathroom, but it's, the erection is also very painful. Okay. Where it's, I mean, you know, you try to move it or anything, and it's just hurts and Okay. Have you tried not letting your bladder fill up, like not drinking any fluids after 6 p.m.? No. All right. That would be your first move.

Second thing, this sounds like medication. Are you on some medication? No. The only thing I take is some allergy meds. Okay. Don't do that. Allergy meds can cause changes in the erection. Oh, they can? Yep. Also sleep, right? And sleep. Well, how do you not take allergy meds if you have allergies? Well, to use nasa court or something, use something else. Well, it's a nasa court.

It's an inhaled steroid for the nose. It's not a country club for Jewish folks where they play. There may be one of those. Do they play tennis? That's a tennis club for Jews. That's matzacourt. Oh, Matzacourt. That's different.

That's nasicort. Sorry. Yes. So, Travis, how about that? Cool. Nothing to be worried about, though. Well, start with this. Yeah, start with this.

Yes, I would be a little concerned about it because there are other funky things that can do that down in your spine. But I would first, you know, no fluids after six, urinate before you go to bed, stop the allergy medication, try something more topical, and see how that does it. That painful erection is more often than not a medication thing. So that's why I'm suspicious. Hey, Nick, 36, Long Beach. Hey, get it on. Get it on, man. What's going on?

Get it on. All right, well, first I just want to say thank you guys, and Mark Garrigus, who's not there, obviously. But I called you guys a few months ago. I've been sober for a few years, and I was feeling like a rudderless kind of loser. And Adam, you asked me what I was into, and I was sort of like, I used to be an actor. I didn't really know. And I listened back, and I really thought about what I was into. And, you know, I'm into politics. And as cheesy as it sounds, I love the Constitution, which feels weird to say out loud. But it's true. And I'm passionate about that. And so now I'm going to law school. Good for you, man. Yeah, fabulous.

It's awesome. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm waiting on my LSAT scores, but I think I did pretty well. So, anyway. Well, listen, I've met a lot of dumb lawyers, so I think you can make it. Garagas is, you know, broke the mold. I mean, he's a really sharp dude, but that's why he gets to be Garagas. He's a passionate man like yourself, Adam.

He is. I'm the passionate man. Adam doesn't have a pulse. Not on a pulse. But I do, the more I hang around Garagas and get his feedback, the more I realize I would have been a good attorney. Yeah. If I had ever been able to set my sights on anything close to that direction, like reading, stuff like that. Writing, things of that nature.

But so good. You found something that you see, I agree that, you know, it doesn't, you can say things sound benign. Like, I love the Constitution. Good. How do you get paid doing that? Well, I don't know, study constitutional law that. Figure it out. Yeah.

You know, work it out, you know. Yeah, and it's just been amazing. Like, I'm just excited waking up. And, you know, I listened back to what I called in before. And I sounded depressed. And I wasn't sure what was going on. Well, but listen, to be fair, it's what's interesting about your call, and by the way, Adam is interested in your political thing, too, that you want to get into. But what's interesting to me is that you were depressed.

But Adam has made a lot out of, and I agree with him, that for young males particularly, when they're trying to get a sense of themselves in the world, getting established, having a passion, having a direction has a massive effect on our sense of self, our well-being, our mood. It's just tremendous. Well, can I say this? Hang on a second. I'm talking for Nick here. But I'm going to say this. You know what I'm saying, right? Yeah.

Well, no, I know exactly what you're saying. What I'm saying is this. People, men and women, burn an incredible amount of calories, like trying to avoid things. Like, I don't want to study. I don't want to have to do that documentary. And I want to build that barn. You know, it sounds like hard work. It's hot outside.

I don't want to go out there. Lots of more and more of these days. Back in the day, no voiding. it. The sun came up, you woke up, you milk the cows, you didn't eat. Right. That's it. Now, we've crafted a civilization where if you don't really want to work, you don't really have to work. There's many different versions of this. There's sort of welfare mom. There's marry a rich guy mom. There's sort of slacker dude staying at home and not really doing a little this, selling a few things on eBay, but not really, you know, making a couple of bucks or doing a whatever. But we've now made working a little bit of an option for many, a large segment of our

society. And what they're doing is they're going, ooh, work, yuck. It's got the word work in it. You know, it's kind of like Vinnie Tortorich says with fat. The problem with the word fat's got the word fat in it. The problem with the word work is that it has work in it. And we have so many people attempting to avoid work. But they don't realize that Joe. on them. Because when they say they're voiding work, they're essentially voiding life. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, work, love, play. Freud said that. It's never changed. It is the truth. People need work, love, and play. Right. All right. Let's say. And work probably more than anything, because you need purpose. You need purpose. Purpose. So, Nick, and Adam's interested in your

politics. Yeah, well, you know, you're having Milo, you know, unapulis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not fully on board with him, but I do find him entertaining. I get what he's doing. I think it's brilliant. However, I'm a gay man. I'm involved in, you know, a couple organizations in L.A. In particular, I don't want to say what it is, but I'm finding in this over-politicized world that we live in right now. I'm finding myself becoming very almost like a, and, you know, it's all over social media,

and so I'm pretty much pulling away from all that crap. And because sexuality into something political and so frustrating, so divisive if you don't. Now, listen, these people are all fucking idiots, and you never want to be parts of these groups, and they're all fuck-ups. And, and, by the way, Donald Trump and especially Hillary Clinton, don't give two fucks about any of these groups. Like when she's sitting there saying, there's a woman, her name is Guadalupe Espinoza. She has a name, Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton doesn't have one, fuck, half a micron a fuck about this chick.

She's talking about Ms. Akapoko from 1996. She doesn't give a shit about that person and has never. going to do anything for that person, for that person's people. She's a Latina, but she's a woman and she's strong. She doesn't give a fuck about women. They're going to fuck about Latinos and fuck about blacks. Nobody gives a fuck about anybody. They should give a fuck about like national security and certain things. They talk. They talk. They talk. They talk some more. If you're in that group and you think I'm going to let this person lead me because this person knows me or likes me or is going to do something with me, you're a fucking loser, and you will continue down this

path of losery because you are pinning your hopes on this person who has no intention of helping you. Of course, you're going to lose. Gay marriage was sort of championed by the White House, right? And so that helped them. Gay marriage is an evolution and a progression. But they didn't get the way of it. It's something that's going, it's going.

It's going. legalization, gay marriage, you know, no segregation, gay couples, interracial couple marriage, you know, things like that. Like there were things that were on the books that were always on the books that you just kind of knew we're going to slough off. Some took longer than others. Some were sped up through, but these were grassroots, political, whatever. And the politicians, all the politicians did is Obama and Clinton, who said,

Marriage was between a man and a woman six years ago. She did or he did? They both did. Really? Well, Gary can look it up. But they both said that. I'm sorry, boss. Can you?

Obama and Clinton in terms of gay marriage. Hillary Clinton, what were their old positions? Her position in, like, 2012 was that she was against it and the marriage was between a man and a woman. And I think Obama was as well. But then the swell, and she's not here to help gay people. She's here to figure out which way the wind is blowing and get some votes. Wow. So now she's for it.

Now, was she ever against it? I don't know. Is she for it now? Don't know. I'm finding a quote at least from his Senate campaign in 2004 where he was definitely against it. Right. Well, that's the way the wind was blowing, Drew. What do you want more out of these people?

They're here to get votes, buddy. Not do the right thing. 2008 also against it. All right. That's so crazy to me. Well, you know what I like? He's evolved on the issue. Like, yeah, yeah, we all change a lot from age 44 to age 52.

It's not like he was in high school. No, they need votes. I get it. So anyway, look, anyone who puts themselves in a group and then decides this person's going to lead, you're fucked. Good luck to you. Good fucking luck to you. Here's your group, a group of one, like the U.S. The U.S. Army, Army of one.

That's my whole point. Here's your group, you and your family. That's your group and your neighbors and your community. I look, don't ever identify as I'm a gay man, so I, don't do it. It's not going to help. 2008, Clinton against. Nick? Thank you.

Yes, thank you. That's all making sense. Oh, totally. I just wanted both of your opinions. Don't ever. Yeah, don't ever. And the reason you shouldn't either. It's all me.

It's all him. Don't listen to Drew. I clearly get duped too easily. There's a funny, well, I'm just looking at a rich track record of nothing for anybody. But the thing is, it's so funny, there's a Phil Hendry character. And there's a Phil Henry character, Gary. We'll look it up for maybe the next show or something. But Phil Henry does this thing, like, as a gay journalist, I can tell you this right now.

As a gay man and a gay journalist. Like he just, it's from 10 years ago, but it's funny. It would just work as a gay. Like anybody does that. Doug Danger. Or maybe Danger. There's two ends. D-A-N-G-E-R.

Yeah, D-A-N-G-E-R. Yeah, D-N-G-E-R. Anybody who does that, ever they start working in their heritage or their, you know, American Indian or whatever it is, it's always like, all right, loser. Here we go. It's on. It's on with the losers.

Look, get to work, everybody. That's all I'm saying. Do not hobble yourself by putting yourself in this group. See, Drew and I don't, Drew and I are white and we're heterosexual, so we don't, and we're over six foot. So we have the luxury of getting privilege. Take it on with ourselves. Oh, do we have it? Do you have a clip of it? White tall privilege. I'm a gay man. I'm a gay journalist. I don't need to check with my colleagues and look at their notes to make sure that I'm okay to file my story.

I'm not, I'm not saying that. What was the opinion? I don't really know. I'm not really interested in what they have to say. I'm interested in what I've got to say. And I'm gay. You know that. Right, Phil? Yes, Doug, because for the last hour... All right. I don't want to. You give you an opportunity, your audience an opportunity to go homopop on me. I'm trying to what I'm saying to you is... I'm not going homophobia. You've said that you're gay.

What I'm trying to tell you is I write my own new story, and when this guy Brown walked up there and said, you know, I'm the winner. I'd like to officially announce that I, you know, I won. I remember looking at a couple of guys, some meat hits, right? I shouldn't say this, but some meat hits from UPI. These guys didn't look like they knew what they were doing. And I looked at them and I said, that is bull, and I used the... the expletive. I walked out

and I filed my story. 877-876 Phil. He's so good. All right, so that was the summation of your comment. 877-876, Phil. Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on Phil Henry Show with Doug Dangar. Go ahead, sir. Yeah, I'd like to really

congratulate your guests there because he's proven that a total blithering idiot can get on the radio and spew nothing but venom and have no opinion of all of your objectivity and somehow he gets on the radio

and you give him this forward. Wait a minute. I'm a gay man and a gay girl. So that's all you sit the whole night. I'm a gay man and I'm a gay journalist. So what? So what?

Anything else to offer? It's called having the gay edge. I've got the gay man. All right, Gary, thank you. We love Phil Henry, but I always crack me up. As a gay man, he does both voices. As a gay man and gay.

Journalists. It always cracked me up because that's where we're at now. It's like, everyone, oh, now we have to listen to you or you need a pat on the back or you're allowed to have opinions about stuff that I'm not allowed to inform thoughts on because it's a gay man and a gay journalist. Stop it, everybody. All right. Or keep going and tell me how it's going. Get back to me in a decade. All right. Thank you guys for tuning in. Anaheim coming up. Speaking of a gay man. Oh, yeah. And a gay journalist. Forget about that. How about...

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