The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #507: Sanctuary Cities

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

February 1, 2017Adam and Dr. Drew open the show discussing the parity between the two major parties and specifically point out the idea of sanctuary cities and how Donald Trump has been trying to make a change to those policies. They then turn to the phones and speak to a variety of callers including one who is struggling with leaving his job to make more money and another one who is looking for advice on how to break into the podcasting game.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. The show's been the gun on, Mandy. Get it on. Wow. We're looking some pretty heavy calls up there already. Thanks for telling a friend and turning people on to the show.

We like that. How you doing, Drewski? I'm good. I was just thinking about something I meant to talk to you about. I always ruminate about these things. write it down. No, I did. I write down as I come and walk in the door. And that is, I, you know, I'm sick of, politically, I'm sick of everybody. I think I've said this before.

I'm sort of libertarian. I'm like super moderate. I'm right in the middle. And I'm sick of, I'm sick of particularly extreme ideas and positions and acrimony. I'm really sick of it. And I was talking to a guy today who is telling me, you know what? You need to stop thinking about right and left because there doesn't really exist in this countries so much as a Republican and Democrat, which are just these two bureaucratic systems that

really just exist to defend their existence. You know what I mean? Yes. And they do, they believe and support whatever it is they need to do to support their bureaucratic maintenance. It's no longer about ideas or ideology of points of view. It's just, it's just, I'm a Democrat because, I'm a Republican because. And then they develop these ideas that are sort of disconnected from reality, but help support their system.

agree and I was talking about that with someone earlier today as well. Oh, weird. But in different terms, a little more intelligent terms. Thank you. Thank you. I was saying that it, look, the therapist, I'm looking to call it for the therapist. The lobbyists and the politicians and the special interest groups, they're going to do what they've got to do. That's fine.

That's how they do it. To exist, to keep their existence going. That's all they're really concerned. What are we following them for? Right. And so I said, I'll give you an example, left and right. You say, I'll give you the right example. You take the NRA.

You go, hey, look, we don't care about the NRA and we don't care about handguns, but we got a problem with assault rifles. We don't want assault rifles. And the NRA goes, no, tough. So AR-15 is not assault rifle. And you go, come on, do you really need that for hunting? Hey, I want to protect my house. Okay, but can't you protect your house with a nice shotgun or something?

No, an AR-15. Yeah, but that's military grade. That's used for the military. That should be for the military. I don't want that available to the public. No, we're keeping it. And then the politician who's in with the NRA and is being promoted and backed and paid by the NRA, goes, hey, I stand with them.

And then you go, yeah, but come on. There's people here. A 15-year-old kid could walk into a school and kill 80 people of one of these things. I don't care. I backed the NRA 100 percent and slippery slope because you come for the AR-15 and you come for my butter knife. So I'm backing them. And that's that.

And that's what the politician does. And that's what the NRA does. and you think, geez, that doesn't sound that reasonable. I got kids. They're at school. I wouldn't want somebody coming in there with an AR-15. And then someone taps you on a shoulder and they go,

hey, you're a Republican, aren't you? And you go, uh, yeah, okay. Well, then get in line, would you? Right. And you go, what? And I go, you like the AR-15. You like banana clips and you like grenade launchers. And that's what the NRA says.

That's your Republican senator says. You better listen up. And you go, but I don't really like that. Get in line and shut up. Cast your vote, be quiet. And they go, okay. And next thing you know, the guy is over here on the right, and he's making vehement arguments for the AR-15.

But really, there's something to be said for this? Doesn't need to be used for hunting. Doesn't need to. Now look. Now, what's on the left? Give me the left to grab on. The left is. Somebody says...

You got too caught up in your metaphor. Yeah. Where was I? You were going to way down the... The left says, hey, someone on the right says, look, I'm going to introduce a bill. Here's the bill. It's called Kate's Law. Now, here's the deal.

If you come into this country illegally and you're illegal alien and you're a felon, only if you're a felon. Now, you got to get caught being in this country, A, legally, but B, you have to try to rob a liquor store, punch a cop, or do something violent against a woman or whatever. If that's the case and we catch you, you need to be deported back to your country of origin. Okay, I don't know if it's Mexico or Haiti, wherever it is, Spain, you're going back because we don't want you here potentially shooting chicks on the pier over. in San Francisco. And then the politician goes, no can do. And you go, well, wait a minute. Just the felons, though.

You didn't hear me right. I'm saying just the illegal. Not the woman cleaning your bathroom right now, not the guy mowing your lawn. I'm just talking, or not their kids. I'm just talking about the person that comes over here and tries to abduct somebody and then gets out, a prison. I don't want that person here. We got to put them back in their country.

That's the person I'm talking about. Now, sorry, we're against that. And you go, wait a second. No, they don't say sorry. They say, you're a racist. Yeah, they go, you're racist. And then the person on the left, just like the person on the right, the citizen who has to think, well, wait a minute, I got kids and they walk on the pier. And we live in San Francisco.

And she said, I wouldn't want that guy coming near my kid. Hey, hold on. Don't you believe in rights everybody? What side are you on? Let me see. What do you got there? You're a racist too? You're a Democrat.

Yes, I am. Well, then you get in line behind this politician that's saying, over my dead body, will we deport criminals who are in this country illegally, who've engaged in criminal behavior in this country? And you're like, yeah, but that kind of makes sense. Get in line and start arguing with the guy over there about the guns. And that's what we have. Now, that's sheepish. That's insanely sheepish. That's not strong enough word.

The insane word applies. But it's sheep that have been dipped in douche. Because if you don't have enough sense, you don't have enough sense to realize that assault rifles probably shouldn't be available to the public or that illegal aliens in this country who commit felonies but shouldn't be deported back to their country. You're an insane person. I was saying this during the elections. We need to rise up against these parties as much as anything else. You know what I mean? It's just very weird.

Well, it's quite the opposite. We've all now taken stronger sides on insane and semi-retarded topics. All right. That's that call. Tony. Hey, how are, guys? San Francisco. Speaking of Sanctuary cities.

Yeah. Oh, it's crazy up here. I just moved here a few months ago, and I'm a pretty straight person with it, and I don't really mind it, but it is unlike anything I've ever seen. My bike just got sold like two days ago and went a little homelessing camp. And it's pretty wild down here. How was in L.A.? More homeless than I've, all the homelessness I've experienced in 30 years of driving around through the city.

I would experience in one day if I drove from here to downtown L.A. So I would say in terms of numbers. The encampment has sort of become a new thing with tents. I guess tents were too expensive before and now they're finding there or something. There was a tent city back in the day in downtown. Northridge earthquake caused a tent city. Well, that's just Mexicans. They're scared of what they think is unreinforced masonry, but it's not.

Yeah. Because in their country, they don't have... They just had a protest of the tents here in San Francisco, so all of these tent people were basically in one of the parks protesting. It was a site to be held. What were they protesting? Oh, the last election, they had basically voted on removing that. So I think it was passed, and now... they're trying to enact it.

So there's a whole other backlash what to do with them. Got it, got it, got it. Just, you know, they're shuffling around. So anyway, it's a great city, but still something you've got to deal with in these big cities. So it'll be interesting to see how, with Trump, what he's going to do with that. I love it. I love it. I love it.

Yes, he is. I love it when the retarded mayor takes a stand on having felon illegals in our midst. That's what the mayor of the city's doing. He's taking a stand for this? It's not taking a stand about clean water or education or lead in the pain. He's taking a stand about having felons. It's awesome, isn't it? Makes you want to pay your taxes, doesn't it?

Go ahead, Tony. Sorry. I've been a long-time listener. I appreciate everything you guys do, and it's been fun over the last couple of years to watch and to listen to you guys come along. And you guys, I listen to a lot of podcasts, and you guys put out a lot of really quality stuff. So I appreciate it and keep it off. Thank you.

The boy and all those kind of accolades. But it was interesting. The other day you had Scott Kearney on, and I actually got my brother on Wynn-Hawf a couple years ago, and he bought me the book. So I've been doing the cold showers, and I've been doing the breeding exercise. I just started the breeding exercises today. I was in the swimming pool this morning, and it was 36 degrees outside. And it was like, woo. Now, the water is only 46, but it was 36 outside.

And I was awake when I got out of the pool. Oh, wait, how's the breathing exercise go? It is wild. I did my first, just to give you a base, what they do is you get a baseline. So my baseline breath hold was like a minute and a half. And then by the end of the exercise, two minutes and 48 seconds. And my baseline push-ups was 51. I'm a pretty fit guy.

and at the end, 84 push-ups. Wow. At the end of what? Sorry. So you do these exercises that basically oxidinate your blood, and then you hold your breath, and you do push-ups, and it's basically a body hack where you can handle your body. Oh, you hold your breath while you're doing the push-ups. While you're doing your push-ups.

This is at the end of like 15 minutes of breathing exercises. I'm giving Scott a little plug here, but it's pretty amazing. Listen, I really wish that more people would get involved. with this sort of physical mindfulness, I'm going to label it, a sort of way of going, hey, man, how can I perform a little better as a human being? And you're going, how about I just go ahead and toss myself in a pool or I do some push-ups while I hold my breath or whatever it is, but if I can wake myself up a little bit, and for me and for those around me, I wish we had a little more of that.

But anyway, go ahead, Tony. So anyway, I moved to the city a bit ago, and I've taken this job here, and it's interesting because I came off of being off for a year and getting my career back in order. I took a job that basically was making a lot less than what I had in my previous career. But now I'm kind of into it. I got my mojo back in regards to what I do. Hold on one second. Did anything he said jump out at you just then? No.

Took a year off? Well, I did think about that. I was like, what did you think? I just thought it's a new, it's a new age. And Tony didn't strike me as kids. I was like, what? You're up. How's that work?

What is that? Yeah, I called you guys when I was living in Costa Rica. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, look, there's a new world order where if you don't want to drive a fancy car and you don't have any kids, you can kind of go do that. Yeah, totally. Go ahead. kind of back, I'm back in it, sorry Adam, I'm kind of back in it, and, you know, I'm trying to be, I've come a long ways in regards to knowing what I need and living in the city and, like,

what I need to get by, but, you know, this job that I took, it's for a small company, and I really like the people that I work with and what I do, but it's just, you know, doing, I should be making, like, 30, 40, 50 grand more a year, and it's tough for me, and I've even had a conversation with them very tactfully to say, hey, here's my budget, this is what I'm making, You know, you guys are paying me very, very minimal to live in San Francisco. It's one of the most expensive cities in the world. Like, how do you manage that formula of, okay, being loyal and I'm a hard worker. I put, you know, 60, 70 hours in when I need to.

I'm kind of cranking through. I understand it. I got a background work ethic. I get it. I don't understand. Well, look, buy tent. Save some rent. I think what you need to do...

It depends if there's a road ahead, too. Yeah, and where this is going to lead. And also, like, it helps if you can quantify what you do. I mean, that's why sales is very straightforward. Everyone will happily give you 15% or whatever percent of whatever you bring in the door because, hey, they'd love to give you another 100 grand a year. You just made them another 750 grand a year. They're fine with that.

You know, there's a lot of jobs. I mean, I learned early on when my dad, work for five acres, the basically orphanage. And he'd have to like, he didn't get paid very much. He never got paid very much. But it was always like, we're trying to get people to donate, this and that. And I realized, oh, you have a job where your clients don't pay. Your clients are kids that have been abused and abandoned.

And then they're near-do-well junkie parents. And then there's estate. you don't have a client. You know what I'm saying? I listen, I worked with the same population, right? Right. But much like your dad, I love the work and stuff, so I never did it to make money, really. But it was getting insulting for me.

And I complained about it for like three years. And finally I was like, I was sorry, I got furious. I said, you're not hearing me. I hired an attorney. I went in with my entire revenue for the year, which was $18,000. I said, I'm the director. of your goddamn program, and you pay more for your housekeepers. The housekeeper makes more than I do as the director of your program.

And it was the most bizarre experience I ever had. The head of the hospital goes, only you would be honest enough to bring me this information. Only you could be direct and clear with me like that. I went, for three effing years, I've been telling you this. I'm just asking you what was happening is they were double dipping. They were billing and getting stuff out of my, I was saying, got to unravel all that, so at least I can make $30,000 a year. It's ridiculous.

Well, Tony, Yes, sir. Knowing your worth is good. Having your boss know your worth is more is better. And being able to sort of quantify it because there's he said, she said, but then there's that other more concrete example of, here's what I'm bringing in.

I brought in the data. Here's what I do and here's what I'm worth. I don't think they believe, something I don't think they believe you when you're really under getting, grossly underpaid. I really just don't, They don't really believe it.

Well, by the way, we talked about that L.A. Times article a couple days here or yesterday, whatever it was. That was this thing that made me so outrage because it was like they made it seem like, I owned a hospital. I was raping these patients for my own to hospital. I was raping these patients for my own. I don't make any money here. It's ridiculous. The bottom line is, Tony, sorry for it keeps saying that, but a boss sort of looks at you and goes, this is what this guy's worth and this is what I could replace him for.

So you can go up, but if you get past a certain point where I go, I can replace you. you with this guy for half that or the same amount then you're there there are good boss things up but there are narcissistic bosses that really are really just happy they're happy to see you overperforming and they literally don't think about what they're paying you what Tony what field are you in I work for a marketing agency and I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a rep for one of the top technology companies in in the world and I I sit on their campus and I I have an office here in the city as well.

Well, here's the deal in terms of what you're asking for. If your boss is aware that he's getting you for pennies on the dollar and you ask for a raise, he will adjust. If your boss, if your boss... He's not aware and you make him aware he will adjust. Right. That's worth that because I did, I had the conversation very tactfully. And, you know, I laid my budget out, and I was very mindful. And it's funny because on the front end, when I came in, the number that I did the analysis on before I was living here said,

this is what I need to make to live a modest life. I'm basically living off of, like, whatever. I don't eat out a lot. I cook all my own meals, all that kind of stuff. And that number is actual. It's pretty true. So he knows it. But now it's to the point where I know they're going to squeeze as much.

All right. Hold on. Listen, 40-year-old Tony. All you have in life is what you believe. And it's a simple equation. Drew has been with me when I've said this way more than once to, way more than one employer, including MTV back in the day.

I just said, look, here's what it's going to take to get me to do season three of Loveline on MTV. Here's what it's worth to me. I'm not saying, I don't know what you guys do. add sales revenues or anything else. I'm just saying to me, here's what this is worth. And if you don't pay me that amount, then I'm going to go do something else, not as a threat, but because that's the value to me. But you have to be calibrated. You have to be well calibrated. The first guy they passed on was Ricky Rackman. He was not well calibrated at the time. So he said, here's what I want. And they said, that's too much. And he said, well, I'd like this.

And they did not, he did not prove himself or they thought X, Y, or Z of him. And so they said, well, no, we'll let you go. At least that's the way I understand it. I showed up, and I didn't say you need to pay me what he was asking for. I said, I'll take whatever you're paying. and I did it for a couple of seasons, and the show was successful. And at the end of those two seasons, I said, now I need more money. And Drew and our manager at the time said, what are you doing? You're going to get fired. And I just said, I'm not, it's not worth it to me to continue doing it.

But I was well calibrated, and they ended up paying me and Drew. Drew, you should buy me a thousand dinners for this, what I'd ask for. So as long as you're calibrated and as long as you're even and as long as you don't have a inflated sense of self and ability. He does not. No, it does not? No, I'm just putting in the eye to everyone. As long as you can look in the mirror and see a calibrated person, if you can look in the mirror, Drew, and see $99 an hour and what's in the mirror is $100 an hour, then you're fine. Yeah. Then if the boss doesn't see that he's letting a hundred bucks an hour go for 99, then that'll be he or her fault.

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Yeah, I'm here. Hey, what's going on? Hey, thank you guys so much for taking my call. Very long-time listener. Not to make you guys feel old, but I started listening to you all in sixth grade. Whoa. Too late. Everything you guys have done for us.

Thank you. So my question is, I am a licensed professional counselor and a volunteer sex educator at North Carolina. I'm not unfamiliar with radio. I did it a little bit during college. Did the pirate radio thing after. As long as I got both you here to get to invite of the hundred really get a podcast cranking. It seems like most of the people that really make it in podcasting are associated with some of the

big dogs out there. Hey, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, Jenna, the speaker doesn't work. Not for us. Get up that speaker, will you? Yep. Yep. Sorry.

Hold on one second. Yeah, wait just hold on a second. I didn't see, I can't cry speaker. Back in the day, we used to go, hey, take us off speaker because there weren't cell phones. Right. Everyone's cell phone. I can't tell someone's driving through tunnels or getting in the car or whatever

it is. So I never know to make the cry speaker. All I know is she was walking away from her speaker, and I couldn't hear her. All right, go ahead, Jenna. I'm sorry. Sorry, that was my Bluetooth clipping in. So I was saying, I'm a therapist and a volunteer sex educator out here, and I'm not unfamiliar with radio.

We heard all. We heard it. We heard it. We just were losing you. So go ahead. Yeah. So look and really, just some advice from both of you of how to get started in podcasting.

You know, I know the basic mechanics, but in terms of broadcasting, it seems like most of the folks that kind of make it in, you know, podcasting are associated with one of the big dogs. And if you guys had any advice for some of us little people where to start and how to really get our names out there. You know, you ever heard Howard Stern talk about this? No. He goes off on it all the time. And his feeling is... Well, I've heard him be disparaging about it.

Well, he's not of you, interestingly. And his point is that you prove his rule. And his rule is that you first have to get an audience somewhere else. You have to attract an audience and go through that crucible of building an audience through what is actually a broadcast medium, something that broadcasts. I mean, the word broadcast means it goes out across the land. And then once you have attracted or collected or at least promoted an audience that you can then move over to the podcasting, then fine. So that was your strategy in that word. Well, it wasn't really my strategy.

What happened? It's just a way things unfurial. you know, and you can say that for stand-up comedians. There's a lot of stand-up comedians that weren't in radio or weren't even in TV, but they were stand-up comedians and people knew their name and their personality. So they built their brand and then they took it to podcasting, which is always going to help. Look, if you're selling cookies, it's going to help. Whatever it is you're doing, it's going to help.

But does anybody start and build only in podcasting? What have those people done? I think there's plenty of people that have done that, and there's like YouTube people and that kind of stuff. The whole, here's the deal. You're no different than a restaurant. A restaurant is simply word of mouth, and it's simply customer experience. And if somebody experiences you, you have to motivate them enough and inspire them enough to tell, a friend, co-workers, family members, whomever,

hey, you should listen to Jenna from North Carolina. And if they hear you and they go, well, I'm not going to listen anymore. I didn't enjoy that experience. Or if they hear you and they go, ah, Jenna from North Carolina is a six, but it's not a nine. And I'm certainly not going to share this with anybody, but I can enjoy it myself. Well, then you're going to have difficulty building an audience.

The only way you can really build an audience, and I don't feel that there's any difference between the restaurant and the podcast. Well. It seems like it, but I don't think there are. But how do you attract the audience today is really hard. Well, you need to track. And that's amazing my main question. Yeah. Well, no, you need to, first off, you need to trade on what skill you do have.

So you do have a skill as. As a therapist, okay? Yes. But I would argue, though, that you have to figure out or... I'm not done. Go ahead, okay. You have a skill as a therapist, yes, yes, yes. So you need to now find some local radio show where you can come on on Fridays and do a couples' corner.

Well, you're saying the same thing I'm saying. I am saying the same thing you're saying. Yes, I agree with you. This is in terms of getting out of the gate. Yeah. And then you do your couples corner, and at the end of your spot, they, explained that you can also listen to Jenna on iTunes. Yeah, because you have to jumpstart it somehow like that, right?

Yeah, but I don't know if you're on Twitter or you have 500 people following you or whatever it is. There's a way to do it that doesn't necessarily involve terrestrial radio per se. It's easier. Certainly it's no guarantee. The reason, because to attract somebody to a YouTube or. or a podcast, something sort of extreme has to be happening. But I'll give you an example. And I don't think that's Jenna's brand.

I'll give you a, thanks, Jenna. And all right, Drew and I agree. I'll tell you about. Find some radio volunteer or do that. All right, first. And bring them over to podcast. Well, hold on. But I'll tell you.

But think of a twist. Think of the opposite. And what's going to be done out there. I don't know if there's a twist. I just think there's a better version of what's being done out there. I just don't think there's a twist. I'm not in the... What would better look like?

I'm not in the hook part. What would better look like, though? What would that... Well, the problem with better is whether it's comedy or relationship advice or whatever it is, we'll know it when we hear it. That's the thing. I'll give you an example. Pluto TV has thousands of free movies and TV shows.

You swear? If I mind, I'm done. This is the mindset. Free. This is the mantra. Free. This is the... Movies like Interstellar, Dreamgirls and Girls and Gros.

Gladiator. Why are you not in detain? And TV shows like Survivor, Spongebob SquarePants, the fairly odd parents and ghosts. Pluto TV is always free. Hazzo. Pluto TV. Stream now. Pay never.

There are so many examples, Drew. I'm listening. I'll not embarrass anybody by name, but many of the very popular shows that. that we may have listened to out here in Los Angeles, Southern California, radio shows where these guys were perennial all-stars, making millions of dollars on huge stations and huge platforms. These guys have gone off to go do podcasting and have had little to no success. Right.

So. There's examples, sure, of the converse not working, or of the converse, rather. Well, what it is is you have this massive audience, and getting these massive paydays, and you think, well, if I just go over here, if I literally take 10% of my audience, just 10% one out of every 10 loyal listeners over here to the podcast world, I'll be fantastically successful over here. Right. And within eight months, it dries up and goes away.

But this is a great example to look at. So what are they lacking? What was missing? Well, there's a couple of things. you have to understand that, oh, true, this is why I have the empire. I'll explain to you. I can let me kind of offer my thoughts before you explain it to me. Okay, go ahead.

But it's not going to be tenth of my thoughts. No, it is. That's why you're going to crush it afterwards. Everyone would be disappointed by your thoughts. I will get to my. One of the things, I mean, the easy thing to say is, well, you have to have talent, but that's not something that people can sort of adjust or quantify or change. But I would say something almost as equally as vague, which is you kind of have to have

something to say. And I think that's a really important thing for podcast. You have to have a point of view on everything all the time. You have to have a broad, broad sort of sense of something to say about whatever it is your... And you better be ready to get into lots of different areas with that because podcasting is filling time, lots of time. And if you're not compelling and interesting, having something to say, then why are people going to stick around? Okay. Is that a part of what... Well, sure. It's a piece. That's sort of no duh meets no shit.

Well, kind of. Because people might think to themselves, well, I'm an expert in this. You can still be an expert. You can still be good at your thing and not really have something to say. All right. Now, go ahead. Spit wisdom. I will spit wisdom at you.

What happened to all those people that had these incredibly successful and lucrative and over the course of decades, many times careers? and then went off, broke off to do podcasting and could find no following and no way to essentially get the traction horsepower down to the rear wheels. And you want to know what happened. Well, I'll tell you what happened. A, when you were in school, when I was in junior high and grade school, best day of the week, pizza day. Mm-hmm. They had fish sticks, not a fan.

And hamburgers were weird and boiled and bad. The hot dogs. I remember seeing those hot dogs when I was like in the sixth grade going, this is gross. And six rangers shouldn't be grossing out. Smells bad. Yeah. But what did we look forward to? What was the big day?

Pizza. Pizza day. So what was by far the best day and the most popular item on the lunch menu? Pizza, pizza, pizza and more pizza. So for your podcast, you've got to give pizza out to everyone. No. Everybody look forward to pizza day. Yeah.

Was it good pizza? pizza. Fuck no, it wasn't good pizza. It was square. It was too thick. First off, they couldn't even get it in fucking pizza shape. They had to be, they insult you with the squares. It looked like fucking coasters with cheese on them. The meat was some sort of crumbled up mystery shit and it sucked. It was bad pizza. Then why was it the greatest pizza, Drew? Because what were our choices? Also, it's, it had a symbolic representation of attached to it to a pizza, which has all kinds of Why was it's everyone's favorite? Better than everything else.

Better than everything else. Because we were incarcerated. Yes. We were in a fenced off place. Literally, we're in prison. Yeah. But an eight foot high chain link fence going around the facility, and if you tried to leave and maybe go get some other pizza, you'd be suspended.

So we sat there and we were forced to eat this pizza. And thus, it became the thing we looked forward to on the menu. you, but what happened? Well, at some point, everyone graduated. Okay. And everyone got jobs. Okay. And people got money in their wallet.

And then we got out. And when we got out, somebody said, do you like pizza? And he said, yeah, I like pizza. And they said, oh, good. You went to stuff from the cafeteria? And we went, no. We have choices. We're going to go to this other place.

And now that we had choices, see, we didn't have choices before. No, I know it's competition now with the podcast. Now, the place that thought it made the best pizza for years. They had people for years and years and years. They can't compete in the open market. You need to make a good slice to compete in the open market. This never was a good slice. You had a captive audience.

I understand the metaphor. But if you wanted it, if you didn't think you were pizza, you didn't think you were a shitty pizza. Getting hungry. How would you go out into that world? How would you assess yourself? How would you build your pizza? I agree with all of us, which is get your first make a good pizza pie. You've got to make a good pizza pie.

And then secondly, whip up that pizza. of pie and bring it down to the radio station. Who wants free pizza? Right. And let them enjoy your pizza on the air. Yeah. Or tweet out to your fans and go, I'm serving up free pizza. Yeah.

Come on down and sample it. And if you like it, if you like it, share it with a friend. Got it. First, work on making that best slice. So, until next time, I'm going to Dr. Dr. Stang. Mahalo. Pluto TV has thousands of free movies and TV shows.

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