The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #586: Quality of Life vs. Quantity of Life

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

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episode 586. Enjoy this throwback episode. at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. No choice to get on mandate. Get it on.

Thanks for tune in. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for making all of this possible. All right, Drewski. I got a bunch of stuff, but I want to go to that call up there if you don't mind. There's a couple. Let's get there. One guy's been on hold for a long time.

Hey, Tony, 40, San Francisco. Hey, sir. How are you, Adam? How are you, Drew? Hey, Tony, before you talk, one second, it occurred to me, you know, I know, I know, Adam, you don't read Twitter and I kind of overreact, but people always give a shit for not taking enough calls on this show. If they want to hear calls, my podcast, I'll do just call show.

I'll just do calls. This show is not necessarily a call show. I mean, we like calls and we use them, right? Am I wrong? Oh, you know, look. Be critical because we did one call or didn't get to a call. It's like, that's the point. No, no, look, I do a show with Mark Garrigan.

Yeah. We're supposed to do legal stuff. Yeah. But a lot of stuff times legal, especially now, turns into political. Yeah. Political legal, because it's never been more legal political talk. So we start breaking down a special prosecutors and things and this, Scooter Libby and blah, blah, blah.

And then you can. get the tweets like, hey man, I thought you were going to talk about the murder cases. And like, look, first things first, we're going to talk about whatever we want to talk about. Right. And your job is to sort of take, is to calibrate yourself in terms of what's interesting to you and make it interesting to other people. You're essentially sitting at the dinner table of life telling a story. And you may, the story may be about something that people at the table aren't familiar with or even aren't interested in, but your job to make it interesting. Such as Google mapping where your apartment was where you smashed the car.

You got your car smashed. Ah, I like that. Anyway, Tony, what's going on? I appreciate your guys with Foreman. Even if you don't take a ton of call, though I know your other shows, Drew, I call in every on then as well. And that's more specific to that. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's right on target. Right, thanks, Tom. As one of your loyal fans, I think you guys are good. All right, very. Hey, do you guys ever get up into the Bay Area? I know you guys do a lot in the southern California area, but you guys need to get up here, take a dip in the ocean. I love it up there.

I have never been in the ocean up there. I hung up with Jay Leno seven minutes ago, and Jay said, eh, man, man. I said, I got a good idea for my car show. And I said, what is it? He said, what if you took one of Paul Newman's race car? identical to how they were in 1985, we took it to Sonoma racetrack, and you see if you can beat Paul's lap time.

Oh, that's interesting. I was like, wow, that is interesting. And so I shall be coming up to at least wine country. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure. No, that track is really nice, actually. I know, but, you know, I was, I was a little disappointed because Jay said, Laguna Seca, and I was like, oh, good.

I know that track well. And then I paused and I said, oh, it can't work because they changed a configuration of the track. So there is no comparing your lap time to the other guy's lap time. And then he said, all right. Did I say Laguna's sake? And I went, yeah. And he said, I meant Sonoma, which is a super technical track and I'm super slow on. So now I'm going to have to up my game a little bit.

I don't go up. When are you going to do this? there was a discussion of getting a shakeout session on a 935 on Newman's 935 up there at some point in the future. And now that I think about it, it'd be nice to combine those two times. You know what I mean? Somewhere in July or something like that. Well, let me know. It's pretty cool.

It's spend the weekend of wine country essentially. If it was me, knowing me, it would be leaving Burbank on a 7 a.m. flight coming home at 6.30 at the evening or something. But anyway. But the track is amazing. Yeah. Tweet that out. If you come up there, that'd be cool to see you guys racing up there.

So I'm sure you'd draw a crowd. You got a lot of fans up here, so it's good stuff. Thank you, positive, Tony. What's going on? Nothing. Hey, just checking in with you guys. I know you guys are both into health and fitness. I know Adam with the jump rope, Drew, it sounds like you're more of a gym.

were at. You know, I was, I do a little bit of all that, but I was at the gym the other day and it just kind of struck me, you know, it's like you see people doing like the women and I'm kind of torn because I kind of like it. They're taking care of themselves, but they'll do an hour and a half of just butt specific exercises. And it feels like it's, it's kind of like, Adam, you'll put it more eloquently with your silk tongue, but it feels like it's the unraveling of our society in some ways that this is the focus of the vanity. You know, we're kind of reaping what we've sewed. A female ass has become the great symbol.

Yeah, the Kardashians. It's what everybody is doing. I'll see women doing, you know, hip band exercises with, they're just kicking the straight leg back for an hour. Well, a couple things. First off, Kardashians and then those yoga pants that everyone's wearing, you can blame the yoga pants because that's how, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, That's the other thing is driving it.

Also, the thing that I, the thing that I was most sort of disturbed about, about my return to the gym, I'd just been skipping rope and shadow boxing for a long time. But I decided, you know, you got to join a gym and try to get, try to get a little strength back. So I joined a local gym and I hadn't been inside a non-boxing gym in a long time. Just just a straightaway, medium size. got some free weights and some mechanical stuff and a treadmill and blah, blah, blah, nothing exciting. You're the one that goes to? Sort of medium size.

In Pasadena? No. I got to go to. That's expensive, yeah. Oh, it is? It is. I look, I have a very limited amount of time for the gym. She can turn that into a day.

I like got to go the one that's closest and fastest in and outiest as I can. You don't kind of see my garage because I couldn't do it weren't in my garage. I don't time for it. Well, you can do it if it's... Have you seen my garage? What I mean if I've seen your garage? A pastor your garage multiple times. That's what I think.

Well, the weights in it, right? I can do it if my... If we shot a scene in your garage a month ago, I... If this place is three blocks from my house, it's on the way to work and from work, and if you can just do in and out 35 minutes, hit everything and run back out again, it's perfectly fine. I get you. when it becomes a to-do when you have to go meet somebody and you know and then you have to carve out two hours and the places across town and then you know afterward you got to shower and get yourself back together and stuff like that no it's just 35 minutes in and out back on right on to it on the way home on the way back whatever but anyway uh i was surprised at the amount of people sitting around and looking at their phones It's a weird thing.

Guys just sitting on the bench, but he's not doing a bench press. He's sitting on the bench, you know, like in between curls or whatever. And these guys are looking down at their phone. They're not talking. They're texting and looking and looking and texting. And it's like... That's the world we live in now. Not my world.

We look at the... You're looking at the gym. And instead of throwing around the iron, everyone's standing there looking at their phone. Or they're taking pictures of Instagram. No, they're not doing that. But it is funny that in this place that you've come... to solely for movement, like solely to burn some calories, put some muscle on, whatever it is. I see lots of people that stood still, just staring at their phone.

Yeah. It's weird. Tony, thanks for listening. And I'll shoot a tweet out if me and Leno get out to Sonoma and do that with Newman's cars. Love it. No, I'm worried. All right, bye, thanks, Tony. I don't want to beat him.

I don't want to get killed by him. It's interesting. very technical that track through. Can't wait to see it. John 25, Washington. Hey guys. I love you guys. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, man. Drew, I've heard you say it a couple times throughout your medical career,

spanning whatever three decades, four decades, that you've gotten more like philosophical in your approach to patients. Yeah. Are you talking about things of bioethics or more like broad, concepts like free will or what? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, although I have thought about all those things, and I spent a lot of time thinking about the wise rather than the hows, and I spent most of my life, you know, working on

the house, which is what biology is. And more in the category of who am I to say? Who am I to tell somebody how to live their life? I can help people that want help, but if somebody doesn't want help, what's my obligation to help them see what I think they should want, right? And I've just gotten a little more philosophical in the sense of relativistic might be a better word, which is, you know, if somebody wants to smoke pot and I can see objectively it's affecting them or whatever, but fine. If that's up to them, that's how they want to. or if somebody is a heroin addict and really doesn't want to get off heroin, well, that's, to me, a little rougher because I know the disease is affecting their judgment. If I could put them in a room for three weeks and take them off drugs and they think very differently if they got off drugs, but I can't.

And so what is my responsibility and who am I to tell people how to live their lives? It's that kind of musing, I think, is, you know, and quality of life versus quantity of life and certain kinds of life versus, you know, versus just as long as, living as long as possible, right? I think people should want to live a good life rather than live as long as possible. And then you decide sort of bleed into the area of happiness and what makes people happy. So that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Does that make sense? Yeah, so like letting go of outcomes and stuff.

No, not that, no. Well, no. No, it's really about exerting my, I wouldn't even call them desires, my point of view. on somebody else's motivations and desires. Hey, but what, yeah, John, I don't know if you're here with me on this, but I, was that making sense? Yeah, it was. I don't have patience, but I have people.

And my problem is, is, I can't, once I, once they've decided to go down this road continuously that I disagree with or it's not serving them, yeah, whatever it is, I end up just going, I don't care. like I but I can't I don't want to be around them because it's a turn off to be it's like it's weird to be around it's weird to what like you said you can tell someone not to smoke and they go I'd like to smoke but do we have to sit in the same car with them with the windows rolled up like I just went out of the car yeah and it's kind of weird because this is a friend or a loved one or family member and you're just finding yourself going there's nothing I can do for you and I don't want to be around you though that's that's the weird that's the part of you're But you have all that history with your mom with their opposition defiance, and that's what makes it so intolerable to you. I can tolerate. It's not intolerant to me. It's just kind of sad to me, and I don't like it.

No, I can tolerate it, but it makes me, makes, you know, if they go, hey, why don't we hang out anymore? I think because I don't respect you, or I'm not turned on by you. Like, I don't, I find myself, you know. But let me go back. Let me drill it down even first. or the, because for me, it goes into what kind of life do you want to lead? And what is a good life? And then what makes people happy, right?

So that's really where I, that's where I get sort of more truly philosophical. And I think, and I think we don't ask those questions anymore. And I don't think we even know what I mean when I ask those questions. If I say happiness, most people don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. They really don't, having to find the term. I sort of disagree in the happy part. We, we don't talk about fulfillment and achievement and stuff like that, but we don't, we don't talk about happy. Well, no, what we've done is we've made, there's two different kinds of happy.

I'll tell you what we've done. I'm going to do this for Prager, you, by the way. Oh, you are? Something like this, yeah. There's two different, turns out there's two different kinds of happiness. There's hedonic happiness, which sort of like euphoria, and then there's eudaimonic happiness, which is sort of like living a certain kind of life, right? Does that make sense? Sure.

The fulfillment and nourishment, all kinds of stuff. And we have, we've decided happiness to just, woohoo, so happiness is all euphoria. No, my heroin acts are all euphoric when they get their first hit. Not happy people. Not happy. The euphoric, they get hedonia here and there, but not happy. We've decided, and Madison Avenue has decided, that you can get happy with a parfait for McDonald's.

Now, to you and I, not only does that not make us happy, it makes us unhappy because we're thinking about the calories. Not of that, you jump from satisfaction and fulfillment to more desire. So you go, I'm full, now I'm hungry again. I'm full, I'm hungry again. I don't even get to the part where I feel good anymore with dessert because I'm just like, all right. It's can't get more calories in, you know, like I can't literally can't even.

Yeah. I walk my kids to the goddamn Starbucks every night of the week. It's four nights a week. I walk them to the Starbucks. My son goes in and gets exactly what I would get if I had his hips. He gets an old-fashioned donut, like the thick, heavy kind of brown. glazy one and it's old-fashioned and it's perfect. It's big as his head and it's dense and it's great.

And then he sits there and I just watch him eat it. I just sit and watch him eat it. And I would love it, but I would be unhappy if I ate that donut. I would not enjoy my walk home with my kids. And then I get up in the morning and I'm now taking the full cold shower. And I don't go from hot to cold and I don't go from cold to hot. I just go cold. I just go in.

I can't do that. I take a cold. I take the cold. It starts cold. It's a funny thing. It's a weird thing. All those years of like waiting for the shower to heat up. Now I got to jump in before it heats up.

And it doesn't heat up. But what I'm saying is if you turn the nozzle a little bit counterclockwise, well, if you turn it half a turn counterclockwise, it's hot. If you turn it a quarter inch, just a little bit counterclockwise. water comes out, but not at a great rate. So if you turn it a little hard, a little more water comes out, but now you're moving toward the sun. So I have to turn it just enough to get it to spit cold water at me.

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It doesn't always feel great. It's not always woo-hoo. It's hard sometimes, but you lead a, it's more nourishing. It's all there is, it is when it comes to life. And yet the pursuit of, well, maybe we shouldn't have pursuit of happening. Well, by the way, I think they interpreted it as something different. Yes, we should have the pursuit of hard work. Yeah, they didn't, they just sort of meant pursuit of pursuits.

It's the pursuit of that. Yes, that's what they meant. Yeah. The pursuit of satisfaction. Yeah. Not the pursuit of happiness. Or, yes, we've re, I think Madison Avenue has redefined, you know, maybe since ever since have a Coke and a smile from old Bill Cosby. I wonder how happy he is today.

Either way, this. I was laughing on my show because I was like, I have my theory about if you can dance, you can get away with anything. First Michael Jackson. And then like when you bring up Chris Brown, it's like, God, he bawled his fist up, he punched Rihanna right there.

Have you seen him move? He can move. It's true. He can't move. Batch your head against the dashboard. Yeah, but he can move. Oh, yeah, that's right. But he can move.

It's so funny when people do it. But I also have this theory that it's sort of, my Don King theory, like, you know, hair puffed up, waving little American flags, saying only in America, only in America. And like, he stomped a man to death in St. Louis for 50 bucks. You know, because the guy owed him. Stomped him to death. And by the way, nobody's ripped off more black guys than Don King.

And you know his pitch is like, hey, man, you get away from that Jewish guy. Let the brother in here. I understand. I feel your pain. He's ripped off everybody. He stomped a guy to death. He's the worst person in the world. But he's lovable Don King.

It's my Ellen dancing at the beginning of her show theory. Here's how Alan feels and here's how she would like you to think. Here's who she wants you to think she is, this person who dances. I've not found that to be true from anyone who's worked with her, that that is her actual personality. But that's what she's pushing forward. And then I was thinking the other day, remember Bill Cosby? Remember the beginning of the Cosby show? Oh, yeah.

Bill Cosby not only did a dance, but he did a happy dance. He did a joyful, goofy, celebration dance. That's what Bill Cosby wanted you to think was going on inside. So just trust anybody that dances is what you're saying. Anybody who dances and wants to show you, this is what I do. It's a literally compensation for what's going on. It's my Rosie O'Donnell thing. Rosie O'Donnell didn't used to be a different person.

She used to be a teddy bear stuffed with marshmallow fluff. The angriest person on the planet was a teddy bear stuffed with marshmallow fluff when she had a daytime talk show. The variety of show. She had a cutie patootie chub club. Who do you think that was? That was her overcompensating for what was going on inside of her. You don't get that without whatever's going on.

on on the other side. You know, like Bill Maher doesn't go, I got to put on this, this John Oliver, whatever, I got to dance, I got to put on this facade. This is what I do. But I don't need, there's not this other thing that's, basically the preacher who's gay and hooking up with guys in bathroom shower stalls and then talking fire and brimstone about a man laying down with a man. You know what I mean?

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What was something about drugs again or something? I guess because I was on the view. I think they re-aired something I did on the view. I don't know. They re-aired it? But why did I? I've never had any problem with Joe Rogan. It's so weird to me.

Why don't I go on his show or how do I get booked on there, Gary? Can you help me with that? Have all of the fans tweet on him. What? You can call him, but he does all the booking himself. So there's no, if a publicist comes at him, he basically writes that off. He does it all pretty much himself. What was his beef with you?

And what had to do with the view? It's probably something to do with pot, which had no issue with, you know. Oh, you know what? It was the Stivo episode, I think. So was a rear or something? No, Stivo came back on to do another episode, and I think they got into it about you.

Hold on, I'm reading about it. Okay, so let me know. Poor Drew. Yeah. I know it's weird. I can't, I get more negative stuff than anybody for reasons it's hard for me to understand, because usually it's misrepresentation, right?

I... It's so weird. I don't know anymore. I have situations that are like yours. I like to kind of leave the names out because I usually just don't want to give anybody any whatever. But it's like I make pretty clear statements and then they get pretty clearly misinterpreted. And then they just come back, twist it out. And then I honestly don't know if people these days are just looking for some traction.

I don't think Joe is, but, or they really think this is a problem that needs to be straightened out. Go ahead. I have a rundown here. It's kind of one of those stern-esque rundowns where it's just all mishmashed. I can try to find the actual clip because I've got a pretty good idea now. But the two topics say, that they say came up around you, is that Joe asserted that you don't think hermaphrodites are a thing. And that you got fired from CNN for speculating about Hillary's health, which we've already established. All right.

So it's just sort of weird. Big bit, Drew. There it is. Big Drew. I should just send them this tape. What rhymes with hermaphrodite? Quick. What is?

Slagite. Statite. Is hermaphrodites like that? Okay. What is the thing with hermaphrodites? I don't know. I don't know what that is. There are emaphrodites.

There are, there's intersex, which you don't even call it hermaphrodite anymore. And there is, remember, and there is a mosaic, you know, hermaphrodites. There's all kinds. But that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a weird. But that's a weird place to take a stand. I know, because it's not something I've ever said anything about. And you got fired. You didn't get fired from CNN for Hillary stuff.

No. The CNN show, the HLN show had been determined to stop three months before I ever said anything about. Hillie's health care. Not her health, but her doctor is what I was talking about. You told me it was canceled before any of that happened. Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah.

Well, it just goes down. It'll go down as however it goes down. That's the new reality, right? You're right. Well, this is why it bothers me when everyone jumps on everything because it's like the other week. It's like I got a bunch of tweets or saw a bunch of headlines like Mike Pence punch his special need kid in the face. And it's like he did what? No.

Here's the sad part about where we're at. I read the headline and I already go now. Well, the headlines are a mile away from the story. And it's like, he smacked this kid in the face. And then underneath there was like, he elbowed him in the face. And it's like, his arm went out and his jacket brushed him. I don't know. It's unclear whether or than more than a sleeve touched him.

It's unclear to me what, what happened. It's weird. It's weird distressing. And then. Because you could just say anything. And then anything becomes truth. And then later on, after. me and a lot of people jumped on this kid and I was mainly jumping on the news story that

don't turn this kid into a hero. You're not supposed to be coaching up the vice president of the United States when you're 10. Then it turned into the kid having Asperger's or so autism. The kid had autism. But I mean, I don't know. Who doesn't have autism now if you want to say he's an autistic kid. Then it came, then it turned into news people who were making fun of him for having autism. That wasn't the situation. And also, I would also say this. If somebody says, you know, somebody does something, whether it's physical or emotional or whatever,

like, hey, just get up, they go walk over, they do this thing. And you watch the tape and the person looks completely capable. And then later on, you go, hey, you can't say that about that person. That person has severe retardation or something. It's like, it's like saying I got to, so a guy get out of his van and go walk across street and kick a homeless guy and get back in his van. That guy's confined to a wheelchair. It's like, that guy is polio.

It's like, all right, maybe he does. And you're making fun of someone with polio or autism or whatever? Oh, maybe I am. But if the person seemed, if the person seemed quite fine, And when I was watching them, then it's kind of weird that you're saying you're making fun of somebody with, when you don't know you're making fun of somebody with because the person seems like not only a 10 year old, a mature 10 year old, like a fairly capable 10 year old. Like there didn't seem like, oh, come on. You can tell, you know, he's off. Or there's something going on.

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You want to see where Lynette's going and all that good stuff. We got live shows coming up. Again, Irvine Improp Thursday, June 15th. Dennis Prager up on stage with us. Love him. And Oxnard, Levity Live, Thursday, July 6th. Guest David Kekner up on stage. Oh, he is the greatest.

He's such a nice guy. He's the sweetest. And Lee, his wife. Lee's great. Yeah. And he has a kid named Sarge. Oh, that's cool. That's cool.

I didn't know that. Yeah. But Prager is one of the best, too. Oh, yeah. But have you ever seen David do improv, though? I saw him to improv once. It blew, it just was like, whew, because he does characters and stuff so well. Watch it.

Watch it on Levinny Live on Thursday, July 6. And Drew, what do you got? I got dotrew.com. Gary, do we know what's up right now from a doctoru podcast? Oh, it's just all callers. And, you know, text, email, excuse me. Well, send up for the email at doctorry.com. We have a weekly infusion newsletter.

And also you can submit your questions there. We do try to address them on weekly infusion with me and Spaz. And me and Bob Forrest have this life podcast and the Dr. Drew podcast. If you have suggested guests or people you want, again, Gary or me on Twitter, you can just read all that stuff. We'll check it out. But it's all at doctor.com. Please check it out there.

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