The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #592: This is a Penis Pit

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

May 31, 2017 - Adam and Drew open the show discussing a recent speech that Adam saw from Mick Mulvaney who is the Directory of the Office of Management and Budget who was speaking about Donald Trump’s 2018 budget proposal. Adam and Drew then discuss the ways that over the years ‘Liberal’ has separated from ‘Left’. They then turn to the phones and speak to a pharmacist with questions about how to help with the opioid epidemic and more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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please contact Connix Ontario at 1866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Well, this throwback episode is entitled, This is a Penis Pit. You're going to have to listen to find out why that title applies this from late May 2017. And we talk about Mick Mulvaney, who at the time was the director of office management and budget. It seems like a thousand years ago. And we discussed about how liberal, which we always consider ourselves, it became separated from left. And it's all sort of shocking.

And boy, we've kept going that way. And we turned to the phone, speak to a pharmacist. with questions about how to help opioid epidemic and more. Enjoy this throwback episode. It is number 592 from May 2017. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show.

Yeah, get it on. Got to get on. No choice but to get on mandate. Get it on. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for telling a friend. We love that about you, don't we, Drusky? We do, indeed.

How are you doing, man? I'm just intrigued by some of those calls up there. I went on a, that eighth-grade algebra teacher up there, I just went on a giant, like, tour of my own eighth-grade brain for a second there. It's weird. Yeah. Can we take that call? Sure.

Yeah. Because I'll tell you what I was thinking. All right. That's line four. Tim. You're saying her. I know. I thought in my head it was her because that's who I went to in my brain.

Indeed. You just don't really teach. It's great. Audra. Go ahead, Tim. 35, Chicago. What's going on? Hey, Drew.

Hey, Ace. How's it going? Good, man. What's going on? So, I've been a teacher for around 12 years now. I've taught all over the world. And I'm at a private school here in Chicago. And they call themselves a progressive school.

And that leaves me a lot of leeway. It's a pretty healthy environment as far as good kids. And they want to do well and they want to work hard. And I've talked with some other teachers at other progressive schools around the country, and they do not give grades at the end of the semester. They just give a report that would say how the kids are doing and what progress they've made. And in some ways, it kind of makes sense to me, but there's this traditional side of my brain that's like, well, you've got to give them a grade on it.

So here's what my eighth grade brain did when I was at a semi-progressive school. At that point, Little Ruffalo, where I was considered itself progressive. And they decided to do away with grades, same as you. And then they were like, when we got to have some kind of assessments. I'll tell you, let's call it honors, satisfactory, and unsatisfactory. Did they have that? Yes, they did, all the way through my middle school years. Wow.

I believe the first I heard of them. this. Oh, and then what do you think started happening very soon after this institute, the H-S-N-U system? Well, honors, satisfactory, and unsatisfactory. All right. Now, we had that behind our grade. Oh, really? Interesting. Like, A-S-S-Rae would always get one in P-E. Mr. Walser should give him an A-S-S-satisfactory, satisfactory. He just want to spell ass. Right. But yeah, I would get F-U-U, like F-U. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. Yeah.

There was a satisfactory, unsatisfactory and something, whatever. There was like a middle one. It was like, huh. Well, very quickly, H-minus came around, S-plus came around. Oh, right. And S-minus came around. And me as an eighth grader, I thought to myself, the fuck do you people think, how stupid do you think we are? We know we're being assessed.

Of course you have to assess us. But you're being so cool and so hip. And by the way, why is a word, a paragraph assessment different? a numerical assessment. One is just a little bit easier to manage, but it's the same thing. Kids know if you get a glowing report, that's the same, you know, it's an H. As a kid to get the sort of average report as an S. A means excellent.

You don't have to give the report then. Well, that's my whole point. And by the way, if you just write excellent. And by the way, when you leave it just to the subjective experience of the teacher, the kids are like, oh, he liked me, it didn't like her, whatever. this is insanity in my opinion. It's insanity. Go, baby.

Kids want, they like, they use, the rest of their life, they will be using some sort of quantitative assessment procedure. If you want to be a little loosey with, you know, the ranges or whatever or be good, easy on them, fine. That's your program as a teacher. But to not have an ass, to kid yourself that by using one assessment scale over another, somehow you're doing something markedly different, I take great issue with that. My eighth grade brain took eighth grade issue with it at the time, and I take great issue with it still. My eighth grade brain, which was reading at a fifth grade level, is still pissed. Of what? I don't know.

Whatever you said, dude. You're getting behind me? My eighth grade brain was reading at a fourth to fifth grade level. And you're pissed about that. No, I'm mad about this algebra business. So, Tim, there you go. My thoughts on it, but do as you play, of course. Well, you'll be happy to know that I gave my final this morning,

took the afternoon off and went to the Cubs game. There we go. Yeah, teachers, heroes, lazy heroes. Like if Superman was super lazy, that'd be like teachers. Like if he didn't fight crime at Gotham, but instead he hammered, collected all his sick days and then went to Cancun, that's like teachers. How dare you? How dare you?

Lazy heroes. Heroes don't want to work. I'm going to work at a brewery this summer, too. Oh, yeah. Heroes that normally don't like working for three months at a time. But all right. Good job in a micro, bro. We love you, Tim.

All right, Tim. All right, thank you. All right, go. Yeah, there you go. I should go to the next PTA meeting. Lazy heroes. Come on now. Put your hands together for these heroes that are kind of lazy.

And the heroes, you know, not 40 hours a week, just kind of lazy heroes. Heroes that don't enjoy work that much. Okay. But lazy heroes. Hey, put your hands a lot. These are heroes. They're lazy. Just like firemen, heroes.

We retire with their full benefits and full salary at 50. Imagine just retiring. The other thing I love... It's just bad to retiring, period. Oh, the other thing, the other thing I loved about this press conference I was watching, I don't know how the guy was. You didn't talk about this on the area. Nick Mulvaney.

Nick Mulvaney, you were before the mics heated up, you were telling us about it, I think. Oh, sorry. Now. Sorry. Nick Mulvaney. Yeah. There's a couple things he said, the press comments. I enjoyed.

One of the things he said was, hey, I'm in the government. I work for the government. I got a 401k and a retirement fund. All you guys. Anyone here have two retirement accounts? And I was like, no. It was like, well, then why should we have two? Yeah.

A lot of people don't have, I don't know what mine is. Mine is whatever I make. Why do you get two? You work for the government. Oh, let's say. We have the one I was talking about with the, about compassion. Yeah. Is that this one?

Yeah. First one, sorry. I thought it was 44. I'll take your word for it on 42. It is. I think the high was 47, and that was during the recession. Pre-recession, the numbers were as low as 28. It spiked during the recession, okay, which you would expect on a countercyclical program like food stamps.

During bad economic times, more people. will go on to food stamps. So it's completely within reason to look at that number. It went from 28 million on food stamps before the recession to 47 at the height. It's 44 or 42 today, yet here we are eight years removed from the end of the recession.

We've had economic growth, albeit slow, what we consider to be full employment with the limitations of U3 and U6, why is the number still that high? Is it possible if you're paying for it, isn't it reasonable for you to at least ask the question? Are there people on that program?

who shouldn't be on there and shouldn't it be up to the government to make sure we can look folks who are paying the taxes in the eye and say you know what we did everything we could to make sure that everybody on SSDI is really disabled we don't think that's unreasonable in fact we think that is the definition of compassionate a compassion that is balanced between the people who get the benefits and the people who pay them yes ma'am there it is I wanted to blow the guy I want eight years of nothing even close to anything that's ever made sense at all to me and then this I I was like, yes! Who's that guy behind the podium on knees? That's ex-man. Yeah. You went round two? Look, all these people are like, oh, boy, you know, Trump's an animal and stuff like that. It's like, maybe he is, but I've been wanting to hear this for eight fucking years, just normal.

Look, when it's a recession, more people are going to go on it. Yeah. Yeah. But now we're out of it. the recession and we're still got a lot of people on it. Don't you think it's our job to find out if some of those people shouldn't be on it? And don't we owe it to the people who are paying in? Yes.

Of course. How about compassion for the working couple that's having trouble making ends meet and giving away too much in taxes? And by the way, how about the debt that's going to burden them one day soon if we don't get on that? fucking this guy Mick Mulvaney he was excellent by the way he should just do it full time and yes that's the

he's making it he's not going oh no no nobody deserves or hey lift yourself up by your boot boot straps things on no it used to be this number 26 million then it got up to like 47 million and now it's pretty much still up there what's up

yeah the recession's over what's up and he even said albeit economic growth is slow yeah yeah but it's still shouldn't be up here. So let's go find out. Now, I'm sure it'll be written in the New York Times that Nick Mulvaney, Mick Mulvaney hates poor people. I'm sure that'll be the headlines. But what that guy just said to me is all I've wanted to hear for eight years. Let's just,

let's just run this. Let's be as efficient as we can. If you need this, then you will get this. But if you're capable of working and you don't need it and you're possibly committing fraud, well then you shouldn't get it. It's not only are you not going to get it, you shouldn't get it. It's morally, it's not right for you to get it. It's not one is a 10 and the other is, you know, an 8. No, one's a 10 and the others is zero. You do not deserve morally to get this stuff if, in fact, you don't need to.

Oh, that's the headline. That's the title before you click on it. Oh, that's awesome. meet Mick Mulvaney, the Trump gooon who wants poor kids to go hungry. That's what there's a few that popped up. I just typed in exactly what your faux headline was. What these fuck tarts don't realize is nobody's listening to them anymore. They go two nuts with stuff like this.

You just heard a guy lay out a very reasonable. Do people know the difference anymore? No, no, no one listens anymore. To anything. To anything. You call somebody a racist now and see if it means anything. Are they listening to him? I was.

I just turned on the TV and there he was. I was like, yes, he's exactly right. What are we doing? And what about the compassion for the people that are paying for everything? Shouldn't we be thinking about them just a little bit? Why is there, for the last eight years there's been a war on the people that are paying for everything. Like you live in Los Angeles, there's a war on the people who pay for everything. It's never sat right with me.

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visit HIMS.com slash ADS. That's HIMS.com slash ADS for your free online visit. HIMS.com slash ADS. Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness, or quality, prescription required. See website for details restrictions and important safety information. Actual price will depend on product and subscription plan. All right. Mick Mulvaney is a director of the office of management and budget. I love the idea that someone is just going, why are we spending all this?

Well, we should not be spending money we don't need to spend if we don't need to spend it on fraudulent accounts. Not only fraudulent, but as Bill Clinton, you took the position many years ago that it's not healthy for people. It's bad for them. Of course, it's horrible for people, just like it's horrible for animals. Don't feed the bears. They got to learn how to hunt.

Jesus, goddamn Christ. Why we take compassion and turn it into the opposite of that. We're basically like you saying to your kid, eat jelly beans for breakfast and never study because I have compassion. Well, of course you'd go, oh, no, you're going to ruin that kid. his teeth are going to fall out, he's going to be a dumbo. He's going to get, and he's going to get left behind. It's going to get left behind. Right?

And then someone go, where's your compassion? And you'd go, what do you mean? Are you nuts? And they'd go, no, but he struggles in school. You're going to starve to death? I'm holding him back. Yeah, and it's like, oh, you know what's going to hold him even further back? He doesn't show up.

So interesting, there's so many things on the left right now that are dichotomous or that don't, you know, they want you to let the kid eat jelly beans, but they don't want diabetes. You know what I mean? It's like we got to fight diabetes, fight obesity, but we can't make somebody hungry. It can't be hungry. Very interesting. One of the things I loved Prager talking about on my show is, and it's something I like listening to him on his show, is the left versus progressive. Or not progressive.

I'm sorry. I screwed that up. The liberal, meaning I've been confused. for a long time, which is like, I feel liberal, but I don't feel left. And he's been saying liberal and left parted ways a long time ago. Oh, yeah. Well, most people don't think that way. They think liberal lefty.

No, no, no. I'm liberal, but I'm not left. I don't, uh, I, he said, I asked him for an example. He said, uh, race. This is a liberal thinks race shouldn't matter, shouldn't be factored in to it. and everyone should be treated by the content of their character. That's it. Left is, oh, you get an assigned race, and then you go out and sort of live by it.

You get whatever you get out of it. You get shoved in this group. You get special this because of that or that. Everything is about your race. Left is, here's the ultimate non-racist remark. Who cares? There is no race. It's just good humans, bad humans.

Let's move on. That's it. That's a liberal thought. versus the leftist thought. All right, we got a phone call up here. Now, wait, that Mick also, what was the other one I liked of him saying that I was talking you about? I'm sorry, Mick or Dennis? Mick. I'm not sure. I was not making to find that clip.

I got, I was about to go off on him talking about compassion that way and taxes. And I can't remember, or subsidies or. whatever it was. But, God, I was right about to get into another one. No. No? You didn't, uh-uh. You did.

There was a little something you hit it at about. You were starting to talk about something, and I mentioned that I had the compassion clip, and you never finished your thought. Yeah. What was I starting to talk about? Oh, dude. Let's take a call. We'll think about it.

All right. Five. Yeah. Hey, Eric. What's going on? Hey. What's going on, man? Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I've been listening. you guys for a while. A big fan.

Adam, I came to see you when you're in Boston last fall. Oh, thanks. And Drew, I was actually just listening to your podcast on my ride home from work. From a couple weeks ago, I think you had a therapist from the Betty Ford Clinic, and she, and you were just, you were kind of in the, talking about the opiate problem. an addiction. Hold on. Don't be a...

Drew, don't be a tart. I was telling you about 401Ks and... And... I was going to answer something easy so we could let our brains kind of percolate on the other thing. No? No, no. I said out loud, he said, why do I have...

Oh, the two plans. Retirement and 401K. Anyone else here have... What do you guys always make me feel like I mean, have eating crazy pills? No, no, we said you said something. There was something. No, you're about to say something, but you never said it because it comes you off with that. No, no, I remember there being something. I'm sorry. I said I didn't

hear because I was editing this thing. All right. Drew, don't make me kill myself. No, I said there was something. I said, I'm not sure. I think there's something. I don't know. I didn't know that that was. I yelled it out loud. Yes, you did talk about the two-forward care. All right. Sorry, go ahead, Eric. Find that clip there. Anyway, it kind of struck a nerve with me because I, I'm a pharmacist, and I've recently, I was a retail pharmacist for years, over 10 years. And, uh, it's, I was a retail pharmacist

three years, over 10 years. And, you know, I saw the opiate crisis every day. It was balls deep in it, basically. Yeah. And I'd like to, I mean, Drew, I want to pay you a compliment just in how, I'm amazed at how you are able to see addictive behaviors and not, probably not verbalizing this well. I would go into work every day and be surrounded by addictive behaviors of patients.

You have to not let it be any more shaming or stigmatized than if you had somebody with a sore throat standing there saying, I have a fever. It's the same thing. It's just part of their disease. Absolutely. Yeah. Just personally, my way of the way that I'm able to deal with it, or I guess not deal with it, was just, you know, their manner is just very annoying. Like you can't. And in the moment, I would do nothing but just be aggravated and annoyed by.

these patients in retrospect or outside the situation, I'd always be able to say, like, that's their addiction, that's their dependent. And I'm amazed at how you're able to, I guess, see it in the moment whenever I've watched you on Celebrity Re-R-R-R-I. And to be fair, yeah. To be fair, I have a whole team around me, and I can sit and appreciate that they're sick, and I know that somebody is working on getting better, and even I lose my temper. I guess it's a disease that's very frustrating.

It'll make you very frustrated. Well, anyways, I guess, about six months ago, I made kind of a transition to a specialty pharmacy, so I feel basically not at all with controlled substances anymore, and I'm just dealing with different populations. Cool. But I've just felt very almost like just guilty from having been in that environment for a long time. and I feel guilty like having left the people that I worked with. And I mean, my job now is so much more rewarding, I guess. But I still kind of have these feelings of just, I guess, guilt.

I don't know what else. Well, it almost like a survivor's guilt. Yeah, yeah, it is kind of a survivor's guilt. That's really interesting. But I would say, you know, if you want to make a difference, I don't know, help with legislation in New Hampshire, it's where you're calling from, to have some sort of system in place that captures these guys

or, you know, start encouraging your peers to report the physicians that are excessive prescribers, so at least they get on somebody's radar. But there's not a lot you can do as an individual person. I mean, that's why I'm not doing it that much day and day out anymore because it just got overwhelming. I got tired of my peers killing my patients. That's what I got tired of.

I'd fight to get them off, get them off. They have no pain. They feel great. Fast forward three months. Somebody would go, oh, oh, you have back pain? Oh, wait, you should be on this. You were always the, you were fine on it before. Let's get back on that.

I got a problem with Pierce killing my patients too. Or it's like, are they delivered the tile to San Diego because that's where it is. Jesus Christ, would you listen to me? Please, says that's peers killing patients, right? That's your, is a little bit different. How many times I have to describe this to you? I'm looking for my goddamn tile. What's it doing in San Diego?

Killed it. You were patient. Then it was gone. It's doing just fine, boss. All right. We got this clip of Mick as my, well, that way,

this guy's funny, and he's succinct, and he answers the questions. He should be the new press secretary. He's the business. He's the budget. Guy, but I hear this.

Sorry. Can you talk about the provisions affecting and how to strengthen your plans to strengthen the federal government? I will, I'll deal with federal, let's talk about federal retirement

because that's gotten a little bit of it and that's one of our largest changes simply put we try and make federal retirement closer to the private sector so we've increased the

contribution that they make to their 401K programs I think on one program we got rid of a cost of living adjustment that was there but keep in mind those are folks who will also be participating in Social Security at the same time, which is cost of living adjusted. So we thought they were common sense reforms to try and bring the federal government benefit programs

close to the private sector. I'm a federal worker, okay? I have a pension and a 401K. Raise your hand if you're in the private sector and you have a pension and a 401k. My guess is, maybe, one did? Did you really? In the back? No, but he did. He was nobody talking about it. She wanted to ask the next question. Yeah, they're asking the question. So we're simply trying to get some common sense back into that program. Okay, so yeah. I know guys are firemen, and he's telling me he's when he turns 50,

he's going to retire full salary for the rest of his life. And I ask you this, who amongst us has that option? And then if the answer is we don't, well, then why are we paying for him? Why are they a little bit closer to what we're dealing with? So the government is so weird because it's always like, hey, those guys should get everything they want all the time. Yeah. Why? Where's our stuff?

Why? Why? Exactly why? Most of those guys, most the guys who took the government route just sort of, they took a little step. They drove off a side road that was a little more like, I don't feel like. Yeah, they're smarter than the rest of us. Well, they are if they're retiring at full pay at age 50. Yeah.

Think about that. I don't even know what that means. I don't either, but imagine you to stop working and your income just stayed the same. It'd be nice. All right, let's see. Let's talk to 19 or who's, all right. Somebody. I think I was at a box.

Eddie, 24, L.A. Hi, guys. And thanks for taking my call today. Sure, man. Thanks for hanging out. What's going on? So I just have a quick, I just want you guys for both of your guys' input on some issue I've been having it for the past three weeks.

Just a quick rundown. So I started playing music with somebody I just met. She's really nice and stuff, so she wanted to hang out just outside of, like, you know, a band situation, stuff like that. Long story short, we do. We also drink. We end up hooking up and no, like, we end up not having sex. So after that, we hang out two more times.

Same results happen, but we never have, like, an official title to, like, to each other. So last week, she told me that she wanted just to be friends, which I was, like, completely fine with. But when I asked her why, she pretty much asked me, she pretty much told me that she didn't want to ruin her, the good things in her life at this moment. So right now we're friendly. We have, like, we're good right now, but I just don't really know how to feel about this. And I have told her my intention, like, hey, like, I'm interested in you, but, like, I don't know, but she keeps telling me, like, oh, she's, doesn't know, she's very confused because she has a very extensive past. Like, she ran away in high school.

She's been hospitalized for, like, suicide attempts, mental issues, anorexia. Hax actually got to rehab, A&A, but she still drinks, like, casually. And then one thing she also, I noted, she told me her past relationships have been very codependent. And last thing, she's been, like, she's been in abusive relationships before. physically and emotional. So we're like, and like, I don't know, it's just so weird that I'm a track therapy because I'm like total opposite with her. Well, even if you forget the fact that she has chronic psychiatric illness, she's a severe

addict who's on her way to relapse, she's been in domestic violence relationships and she will find them again unless she does a lot of treatment on a regular basis. Oh, she's a captain in the Mexican lowrider. She's saying as well. But you can take all of that out and forget all of that. of her background and all of her psychiatric baggage and just look at your relationship and she's just not that into you. She's not, she's up for a friendship. I would take her at her word. Clarity. You guys got drunk and screwed around hook up. Then he said the same, but was there any,

there was never sex? No, no, there wasn't, but I mean, it was just all like that. She's been very clear. We can be friends. Yeah. And forget it. Don't, I don't care. Any woman says that to you. Take her at her word. You can't come back from him. Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. Sorry, I was just thinking. Oh, sorry. Hold on.

There's a movie called The Money Pit, made before you were born. The great Shelley Long in it. Tom Hanks. And they just didn't have the ability, the capacity, the know-how, the expertise to fix this house where things just kept going wrong.

This is a penis pit. You don't have enough in the junk department ever really fix this. But she doesn't even want. And it's not for sale. Right. You can't buy this penis pit. You can't buy the penis pit.

I talked to the broker. Not being listed. So you just take your little toolbox and bring it to another project. But hopefully one that just needs a fresh coat of paint, maybe some carpet, not a full termite-infested remod. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I can't do any better in that.

So I get the big box, right there. You have to drop the mic. Drop it, walk away. Ah, I can do no better than that. So I will just go to ZipRecruiter. Hmm, hiring. Posting in one place? Not enough.

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Drewski. Go to Adamcrow.com. You want to learn anything about more things. Where we're going to be. How's the Krock dot going? It's going, man. We got Jimmy last week. We got Rodney.

I talked to Kevin and Bean this morning. They said they did four hours and they feel like they'd just scratch the surface. It is a lot. Poor Nate's going. He's going at it over there. You can check out, we're doing a reasonable doubt town hall with Mark Gerrigus. We're doing live podcasts and Irvine and Oxnard. Scott Adamcrawl.com.

I've got barcrawl coming up. We've got no safe spaces. Just go to my website. Yes, true. Yeah, go to dotrew.com. Check out all the family of pods there. God, I feel like, oh, oh, that, you know, that pharmacist that was interested in the addiction thing is check out this life. And sometimes me and Spass, some of those pots, too,

we get into the addiction thing a bit. Spas is finding his footing. Ah, no, we're training him. You tell him, I said, at this pace by 20171. You might have so. He'll be a C-minus. So, until next time, I'm C-Morla for Dr. Drew. Say him, Mahalo.