The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #601: Boxing a Dead Kangaroo
Episode Date: November 25, 2025June 13, 2017 - Adam and Dr. Bruce open the show by going straight to the phones and talking to a variety of callers including one who is wondering why many people seem to have much more conc...ern for animals than humans. They also talk to a listener who got screwed over by an unscrupulous contractor who was remodeling his kitchen. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Well, this episode, June 13th, 2017, called Boxing a Dead Kangaroo.
We have a caller who's wondering how many people seem to have much more concern about animals than humans,
and yeah, that's a lot.
And another got screwed over by an unscrupulous contractor who was remodeling his kitchen.
Oh, and Dr. Bruce is here.
Ah, not Dr. Drew, Dr. Bruce.
All right.
Well, enjoy this episode.
Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky.
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Fascinating stuff.
Fascinating stuff.
Bruce is, he's a real deal, everybody.
And again, in the Urban Dictionary.
Oh, yes.
Oh, that's right, prominently highlighted and rightfully so in the Urban Dictionary.
You know what?
They can never take that away from you.
Good lenses, bad frames, huh?
I will not be recognized for my genius in my lifetime either, Bruce, so do not worry about it.
But good lenses, bad frames is the most apt description of somebody who's actually good
just doesn't look good at their job.
How do you think ER patients would feel if they got their doctor?
He's good lenses, bad frames.
I don't want you introducing me.
Hey, could be, you could be under the beaheim.
That would be a real.
problem with your career. I would say it's emblematic of your comedic genius. So you're able to
encapsulate a description of someone that's concise, not always accurate, but. Well, the thing about
it is, is there's never any effort put into it. It's simply there. It's not like, I'm going to go
home, I'm going to get my stentopad, and I'm going to try and come up with something that works
for Dr. Spaz. You just sort of have to be in the moment. And when people say, when you come up with
your metaphors, how do you do that?
And the answer is, you don't try.
It just has to hit you.
Yeah.
No, I know.
I've tried and I get a little spastic quick.
It's almost on, it's almost not, it's not really something you can try to do.
You have to just sort of let it move you a little bit.
Okay.
Phone calls are up there.
One of one.
We'll get to this guy.
Alan, line three.
Hey, Alan.
Hey, Ace Man.
How you doing, man?
And Dr. Bruce.
I'm great.
So my question is, or two things.
I have real quick, rich man, poor man, I'd like to get your thoughts on.
And so it gets killed by a piece of machinery that is worth more than a million dollars.
All right.
So you're driving a Ferrari GTO or Luso on one of the.
those, you know, they're doing the Italian hill climb and you get cleaned out in your Luso or your GTO or your barquetta or whatever, whatever it is in a vintage race or whatever, versus driving the, you're driving the asphalt spreader for the city of Englewood and you get caught, you get caught putting a black and blacktop for over 40 years, single it, city of Englewood.
and you get caught under your asphalt spreader.
Right, right.
Or it's a big mining vehicle or something that you're paying attention.
That's solid.
I like that.
And Gary capture it somehow, but it's not exactly poor man.
Like driving the heavy equipment or working the heavy equipment, it's middle, you know,
that guy's bringing down 60K a year.
It's not that poor man type thing.
But it's solid.
I like being killed by equipment, which is worth much more than you.
Yeah.
Okay.
So then my question is, I have a coworker who's a woman.
She's like 38 years old and is unmarried and childless.
And she, when somebody else mentioned that sent around pictures in an email of a brand new baby, everybody got excited.
From her, she said, you know, basically, oh, cool.
It was like a four or five out of ten for her.
But then when the Cincinnati Zoo put out new footage of a baby hippo, it was like a 15 out of 10.
Like, you'd never heard so much baby talk out of this 38-year-old thing.
And I'm wondering.
I'm just wondering what's the motivation there is that she's shy about the fact that she doesn't have children and doesn't want to expend that energy in an obvious way on a human baby.
chicks are wired weirdly and guys are wired sort of like robots and then there's guys that are sort of wired like chicks which makes them like chicks which is what we're reconfiguring the wiring now if you have a really straight wiring I don't mean heterosexual does mean like a super pragmatic straight wiring like I have a pragmatic straight wiring and so if you say to me and I'll see it with Gina grad all the time
It's not like there's something wrong with Gina Grad or there's something wrong with Lynette or anyone else.
They're wired like women.
It's a good thing.
That's why you want them raising the kids.
They have a wiring, which is different than you're wiring.
But if Gina Grad is sitting here and you go, oh, man, there was a small aircraft that died and five people perish, including a father and teenage son.
Oh, and their dog rusty, you'll go, oh, like upon the dog perishing.
You won't hear anything about the five souls.
You're treading on thin ice here.
I'm treading on true ice here, Puss.
That's how chicks are wired.
That's how Gina Grad would react.
Lynette's got actually less of that probably than most, but that's just how chicks are wired for the most part.
And super soft dudes.
When chicks are wired like chicks, that's a good thing.
When guys are wired like chicks, it's a bad.
It's a bad thing.
But that's a chick wiring thing.
A lot of it is less pragmatic and more, oh, I just heard about a dollar.
dying.
But they do have a gear for putting dogs in front of human beings in the sadness
department, which is absolutely bizarre to me.
And I, you know what I think a lot of it is?
What?
Whether it's good animal or bad animal, like dogs dying or dogs puppies being born or
whatever.
I figure this out in real time.
Dogs, kids, chicks, sorry.
chicks look at chicks and dudes wired like chicks look at human beings as once you get outside of your own family you're just into some other species somewhere or not even in other species but it's like hey a truck went on a rampage in um in south africa and killed uh
tribe members or something, you're just like, yeah, all right.
Hey, a fairy turned over in the Philippines and 81 people drown.
It's like, you have nothing for that because you have no connection at all.
When it comes to puppies or hippopotamus or Cecil the line, we all own those.
Like women and dumb dudes think that they own, like they're somehow world citizens when it comes to
puppies and animals and stuff like that.
So they do make a big deal out of Cecil the line because that's their line, even though it has nothing to do with them.
And they have much more in common with the Filipino who drowned when the fairy capsized because it was over capacity.
But they don't, doesn't hit them.
In our culture, we anthropomorphize.
We make, from little kids on, we make animals like Disney.
We think these things are ideal creatures.
that have personalities and their human traits and they're lovable and perfect.
Well, that would be good.
Your theory, except for what I'm saying is the creatures have passed people.
Right, right.
So you're saying you've turned the creatures into people.
I'd rather be turned into a puppy because that way I'd get a, oh, when the plane, when the asphalt
spreader runs over me, I'm on the poor man's side.
You know what I'm saying?
That doesn't explain what I'm talking about.
and I'm talking about is they're much more caught up in Cecil the Lion than they are.
And whatever, you know, the 82 Christians that were blown up by the ISIS bomber wearing the vest, they don't give them.
No, no concern.
Zero for that.
Now, what about people that like other countries and hate our own country?
Can we get into any kind of?
If you'd like to, I know exactly what that is.
Or like Ted Roosevelt said, what that is?
What?
Teddor Oswald said it's like men that like other women.
as much as they like their wives or men that like other countries as much as their own.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Same thing.
I love Teddy Roosevelt.
I like them too, but that is, those are people, chicks, and dudes that are pissed at their dad.
Ah.
They're always angry at dad.
And dad becomes the man.
As a matter of fact, Daddy is the man.
Daddy starts as the man.
And then at a certain point, the country becomes, I mean, Ronald Reagan becomes the man.
And now you got to wage war against Ronald Reagan.
Well, you have to push up against Ronald Reagan, even though whatever you're saying is fucking retarded.
Like, you know, when Ronald Reagan was button heads with the Soviet Union, I didn't know anything about world politics.
But I knew enough to know we're better than the Soviets are.
What are you taking their side for?
you're not taking their side because you agree with what Brezhnev agrees with or Yeltsin
or whoever, whoever the Russian leader DeJure is.
You're agreeing with them because you hate your dad who's taken on the form of Ronald Reagan.
So that's what you're pushing up against.
There's no, you have no love of communism or the Soviet Union or their regime or all the
horrible atrocities they've done to their people or, God forbid, all.
the stuff, they're incredible hypocrites because, you know, all the marches on women's rights
and gay rights and all that kind of stuff. These people trample over women's rights and
gay rights and what have you. So why are you taking their side? Simple. Reagan's your dad
and you hate your dad. So I'm intrigued by the Safe Spaces movie you're doing. So you're going to
campuses and you're going to be, are you going to, would you make statements like that? Because I
think that would be very provocative. And I think it is a provocative idea. I thank you. I get to make
whatever statements I want.
But is that what you guys are going to...
I saw you guys on Tucker Carlson.
That was very interesting, that he was...
I think he considers that a sort of this is the right time for that type of a project, I think.
I would say one of his causes, de jure, or...
I mean, I don't mean de jure, but I mean, he has a number of things that, you know, look,
not everyone can be concerned about everything all the time and we're the same.
But how we're turning young people into super soft victims is something I'm very interested in.
And I think Dennis Prager is very interested in it.
And Tucker Carlson's interested in it as well.
The reason I don't want to turn young people or any people, whatever your nationality is, into a victim, is because it destroys the person.
Right.
You become a victim.
I mean, it's an insane instinct to want somebody to feel like they're a victim.
As a parent, the last thing I would want for either one of my kids is to feel like a victim.
I'd rather them, you know, we spent a lot of time going, hey, you got to feel good.
Like, you've got to feel smart.
Like, you've got to realize there's only one of you.
Nobody else before, you know, this planet came that was you and no one else after you.
And every day, you know what, today is the next day to the rest of your life.
And all that, I'd rather than feel stupid than feel victimized.
I'd rather than feel dumb or inadequate or just about any feeling under the rainbow other than a victim.
I'm so fucking lootly.
And the feeling like a victim would be more hobbling to them than feeling ugly.
I'd rather them feel ugly, dumb, stupid, and undeserving than feel like a victim.
As a parent.
Don't you also think it's better for kids to lose once in a while and there'd be a winner and them learning to accept?
I agree.
Be nice if Sonny won a basketball game on a rare occasion.
Like, he's now so comfortable with losing.
He's not even sure if he needs to make the trip.
He knows this is a foregone conclusion.
Of course people should lose.
He cheated last time we were playing horse.
Oh, did he?
Yes.
Oh, so maybe he got a victory.
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Yeah, if you guys want to go to no safespaces.com, watch some good videos of me and
Dennis Prager up on stage. You can check those out. It's got a lot of wisdom that man.
Yes, yes. I'd like to, I think maybe if I joined your team as a presenter and I could share
some of my wisdom. Just whisper it to Dennis. All right, let's talk to Eric 29 Riverside, Eric.
What's going on?
Hey, yeah, I had a problem. I fixed up my kitchen, right? And then a guy charged me $2,300 to do my kitchen. And his guy has been taking them, took him two months and a half to do my kitchen. And now I paid him already $1,800. Now he's not going to come back to finish his job because he wants the money first. And I told him, I'm not going to pay you until the job's done. So he never came back. He left my door hinges. And he, he, he,
He didn't install my doors.
He just left.
Yeah.
And it's been two weeks now.
So I took him to court.
I mean, I filed a paperwork for small claims.
And I just want to know, you know, what, what, if I win, if I should, I sue.
I'm suing them for all the money back.
So.
Yeah, for the 1800?
Yeah.
Licensed?
No.
He said he was.
He said he was.
But he said he said he don't want to put his license on the job because I would have to pay
property taxes and he would have to pay Texas all.
So I checked, and it doesn't, I called the board.
They said they have no name.
There's no, there's nothing under.
He's not, he's not licensed because no one's redoing a kitchen for $2,300
who has a license.
What was the scope and scale of his work?
His work is usually doing cabinets, but this guy tore, it was tearing down my walls.
He did the drywall wrong, so I had to pay a contractor, a real contractor,
a drywall to fix my drywall.
He messed up my window.
When he framed my window, it was cricket.
It wasn't right.
And we put my granite in.
Put my granite in, and it's lopsided.
Everything's all messed up.
Yeah.
He messed all my whole kitchen up.
And I've been living with that house.
Well, I've been living my mother-in-law's house for two months.
So I've got two kids.
Oh, yeah.
Hey, Eric.
All right.
Let me give you some sagely advice.
Okay.
The $1,800, you can sue the guy.
get it back. Also, when stuff is like too cheap to be true, it is. In the contracting world,
my God, I mean, my God, look, you can go talk to Mark Garrigus and he could give you a favor,
do your favor, and give you some good lawyer advice for free or something like that, but it's sort
of in the air. The thing about contracting is it's tangible. It involves demo and rough electrical
and rough plumbing and finish electrical and finish plumbing and granite countertops and cabinets. And
It's man ours.
Like, you can't talk your way out.
You know, when you go, we're going to do the floor.
We're going to do the countertops.
We're taking all the hardware off.
We're going to spray all the door fronts and drawers.
And you can't fit that into $2,300.
Yeah.
You could get, you could be friends with Elton John.
And Elton John could come play a barbecue at your house for free.
And then Elton John could charge a corporate rate of $500.
thousand dollars but he could still go play your barbecue for free that's not impossible doing a
kitchen for twenty three hundred is impossible because there's no way to do that and make money
a profit at all and give you any kind of experience that would resemble something that was
satisfied could eric get in trouble because he did it without registering it or whatever
in other words you i don't i don't it's riverside and then adam hey adam and i was on your show
on the Builder Stuff Live, so you see my kitchen.
Oh, that was you.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was me, yeah.
Yeah.
So, Eric, here's what I would say.
Yeah.
I would say, sue the guy and go ahead and see if you can get your 1800 back.
And then I would say many of these things can be solved with money.
You've got to make money.
The problem is, is when you have $2,300 in a dilapidated kitchen,
then you're just going to have $2,300 in a dilapidated kitchen.
About the wife, is she ready to get rid of you?
Oh, man, she's, well, she's more pissed off at him.
She's been calling him, three, been calling him and calling him, but, you know, we don't
answer his phone no more.
So, but the way, yeah, we know where he lives at, so.
Oh, boy.
But, Eric, the way, the only way you can get out of this part of life is that literally
make more money.
You just have to make more money.
Yeah.
Otherwise, it's too, it's too painful.
Like, whatever your work is, what is your work?
I work for the school district, for Riverside School District, a stock clerk.
Walk into your manager's office tomorrow and demand a salary of $550,000 a year and tell them, unless you don't fit, unless you don't do that, I will pull out my retractable chain with all the keys on it and slap it on your desk, like when a cop leaves the force and he slaps his badge on the desk.
Don't do that, Eric.
No, I'll get fired, man.
All right, we'll figure out how to make some cash on the weekends, see about getting some training, see if you got...
Let me tell you something, man.
When you're not making any money, everything's a pain in the ass.
A parking ticket is devastating.
When you're not making any money.
Everything's a, you know, oh, gas one up, 19 cents a gallon.
Oh, God damn.
You know?
And you're not a trust fund kid.
You can remember with the days when that would have been devastating.
No, I had a pretty healthy trust fund left behind for me.
I mean, I was sad.
No, when you were.
Yeah, right.
Trying to think.
Look, Max Appata has seen my social security statement.
Oh, yeah.
I look at it to make me feel better.
In 1980s, one time.
Do you get any poorer than I was?
You can't get poor unless you lose money in the year.
Like, you got, there were somewhere it was zero.
I had some zero months in there.
Now, you have to take that Social Security and then you have to match it against my parents' inability to earn money or distribute money or care.
And now it's like, you're really, yeah, I don't, you know, a lot of people talk about, you know, oh, we slept eight to a bedroom and drank from a well.
And, you know, I don't have that kind of like share crop or poor.
But in terms of modern day poor, not third world poor.
and not turn of the century poor, just modern day poor.
I don't, I'll give, I'll, I'll have a pour off with anybody.
I don't know who was, you can't really be, I mean, you could owe money, I guess.
I didn't really, you know, I owed the IRS some money.
I guess I owed on like a credit card.
So I probably did owe money, but no one had less money than me.
I remember the crappy car you had when I met you.
Really?
Well, was I driving?
I don't know, was it like a small Toyota of some sort?
I had a Toyota that got totaled, and then I got a Honda.
that had like 150,000 miles on it or something like that to drive the beaterest of pickup trucks.
Yeah.
And I think I got a Camaro at that time and I asked, hey, you want to go for riding here?
No.
Even at that time, you were a car snob.
I wasn't a car snob.
I had somebody asked me, somebody just, oh, I was just talking to him about you.
He got the new Zio whatever, Camaro with the 10 speed.
Oh, the 10 speed.
Would you like to revel in your glory for this a second?
Well, why don't you just recount the story?
Okay.
We were standing out on my porch, enjoying, let's see, there's a fine selection of beers.
It was either Corona, Corona, Corona.
It was Corona Corona.
Yeah, that's not a good story.
Oh, yes.
All right.
So we had, but don't worry, this wasn't free Corona.
This is Corona.
You paid for.
Right.
So I got another case at the shop.
Anyone needs it in Corona.
But anyway, we're drinking a Corona or Corona or Corona.
And I said, the comedy is I had two cases of Corona that have been gathering dust because I don't like Corona.
And then I said to Lynette, before we throw this party, I was like, do not buy beer.
I got all the beer over at the other shop.
And it's all back there.
Just go get it.
I got free beer.
They give us free beer, a fine selection of beer.
and then it was that was like on a Tuesday
and that smash cut to Friday
it's like Dylan's come back saying I got all the beer
you want me to put it in your car I'm like
uh oh what what beer I just went and bought
beer and I'm like what did you get
Corona got three cases of Corona
where'd you get it? I got it at the supermarket
I'm like
why did you buy Corona I hate Corona
and I got a case of Corona
I don't know I was told I get Corona
okay anyway
There's always a miscommunication, but I, my, my profound instinct would be that the miscommunications go way down when it's your money, and you don't have that much.
Like, remember my theory about being sick and missing work?
As soon as you can't miss work, boom, the sickness goes down.
You, when it's your money, you get far fewer parking tickets.
If someone else is paying, you get a lot.
Like, Lynette gets a lot more parking tickets.
I get zero parking tickets because I look at it as my money.
And I think she looks at it as my money too.
And thus, she'll get many more tickets than I get.
Well, I get zero.
So it's an interesting thing.
If it is your money, I do believe there's a little part of your brain that goes,
oh, wait a minute.
I already got a case of that beer.
I should go get it.
when you now it is her money which is the comedic part of it but it's not looked upon that way don't you think
you're haunted by the specter of the ghost of screw ups with such not people screw up situations because
when i heard that it was like but you're the last person you know not that you're a celebrity to me
or anything like that but you're not somebody it's like you want to i want to be on time i want to do
things right because you don't suffer fools you get you know a little bit testy and in this
situation it's like how could that happen
what happens with me is I somebody says something we're going to do this and then I stop and I go what is going to happen now how is this going to play out and I start thinking about it and I start thinking about the person and what might go wrong in this event and then after I've profiled the person and profiled the event I then look into what can happen in the profiling of this person that
the profiling of the event.
And I don't go, oh, man, we're probably not going to have a birthday cake.
I don't do that because it doesn't, it's not going to fit the person or the event.
We're not going to forget the birthday cake.
I don't, I don't have no, or we're probably going to get the wrong birthday.
No, no.
No.
That's not my concern.
But my concern is the last event, we went out and bought a bunch of beer and didn't use it up.
And I've been tripping over cases of it still at the other shop.
but the event before the event.
So now I think to myself, how do I unload all this free beer I have?
And since Dylan works here, that's going to be a no-brainer
because he's going to be dispatched to get the beverages and bring them to the house.
And he can simply load up his car here.
So then I work on who's the individual and what's the event.
And that's when I go in and announce.
And I don't do it once.
I do it twice.
is do not buy any beer.
I got a ton of beer.
I'd like to get rid of the beer.
So do it.
And then I stop.
So then I realize that's, I don't think that's enough.
And then I double back and I go, there's beer at the other shop as well.
The both shops are filled with beer.
Right.
This stuff's free beer.
That stuff's beer we paid for.
Use all that, please.
And then I go, that's probably enough, but might not be.
So then later when Dylan tells me.
about the beer, I have to inquire where he got the beer. So that's how I work.
But I'm a profile. Are you haunted by, I mean, I hear, I know, Ray inconsistencies, Lynette.
I've been in that boat, Drew. Is it just you're cursed by people that are more inconsistent
than you? No, I think I, there's a, there's a handful of your Nick Santora's and Kevin
Hensches and Jimmy Kimmel's out there. And then there's sort of everybody else. And I don't mind
that they're who they are.
I don't like that they have as much pride about it as they do,
but I don't, I understand that's the, the majority of the people.
The reason I get to be me is because of everyone else.
I've always said to people, I'm not that smart.
It's everyone else.
No, I know.
You know what I'm saying?
Max Patty, you're getting an idea of what goes on in this universe.
I'm not exceptional.
It's everyone else.
You've got to beat Ray.
Anyone can beat Ray in the work department or the smarts department or the accumulate things department or the anything department.
If Ray's your competition, you're going to win.
Like if you're boxing a dead kangaroo, you're going to win.
So that's it.
That's it.
That is mo.
And then go look abroad.
Look around the world.
You want to hear what's going on?
on around the world. All you have to do is be smarter than that. And you could be, you could,
you could, um, have a warehouse filled with exotic sports cars. Really? It's got to be better
than you, Bruce. That's all. That's all. At the, uh, I think it's a very old joke. But it was,
um, Walter Payton. Oh, man. Now we got a, out of the 10-speed Camaro story. Yeah. Damn it.
What was Matt Suey?
Matt Suey was Walter Payton's fullback.
He'd block for him.
I think sort of the story was Matt Suey and like Walter Payton or camping or something.
And a bear comes running at him and like Walter Payton like starts running.
And Matt Suey says, how you think you're going to outrun that bear?
And Walter Payton says, I don't have to outrun the bear.
I just have to run you.
Now, go through, now, apply that to your life.
You don't have to, I can't outrun a bear.
Can I be smarter than Ray?
Yes, I can.
Can I have a better work ethic than Ray?
Of course.
My dad or my mom, all you have to, I don't have to, I'm not going to outrun a full-grown grizzly bear.
I just have to outrun the drunken slow guys running with his pants around his ankles behind me.
And I'm set.
Yeah.
All right.
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All right, so we're standing on the porch, drinking a Corona, Corona, Corona, Corona.
And I just got done doing this race.
Bruce and I like to talk racing in cars or whatever.
And I said I was driving a new Corvette, CR7R or something.
Sequential shift.
Whatever it is.
And he said, what kind of shifting was it?
And I said it's sequential, which is not paddle shift in this case.
It's a stick shift, but it just keeps going back and forward and order.
It's the same way of motorcycle.
Motorcycle one up, five down or whatever.
Be able to click it up for first gear and then down, down, down, down.
And if you want to go back up, it's up, up, up, you can't skip gears.
Yeah.
So this car is weird.
It had a, I think it was like first, trying to think.
It was like first gear was backwards.
Neutral was first, second, third, third through fifth was backwards.
neutral was forward and then it had a grip with a cable on it like a bicycle handbrake for
reverse all that thing and lock reversing i don't know i don't know that's how that's not f1
no but that's how the car was set up and uh monster car there's a monster cars 8 150 horsepower and then
bruce said did have a 10 speed and he said 10 speed it's insane no car has you know they're
four speed for a million years and we got up to five and then someone came out of six and maybe
a Porsche has a seven but nobody has a 10 speed and then I yelled at him and maybe that was just through
the haze of the coronas but I yelled and yelled at him no car has a 10 speed Bruce that's a bicycle
not a 10 speed and then Bruce sent me a an article a link to an article talk about the new
Chevy of the 10 speed Ford and Chevy share the transmission I was just talking to matt
the motorator DeAndrea driving a Ford F-150 back from San Diego with a 10-speed in it.
And I thought, wow, that's diabolical.
I said, you couldn't feel a shift.
It was like always at the right rev peak and all that kind of stuff.
And I thought, wow.
So somebody is making a 10-speed and getting it out to Ford.
And GM.
And the thing that's insane about it is, you know, like Mercedes and whoever.
Like they're all getting like 7-8 speed.
or something, but it's very unusual that America or America is on the vanguard of this technology.
Well, the DCT transmission is sort of fading away from that a little bit.
I think BMW is my understanding.
What is that transmission?
The double clutch.
Oh, the double clutch.
Not, didn't pan out quite the way they, they hoped it would.
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