The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #657: Oppressed Or Killed?

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

August 31, 2017 - Adam and Drew open the show discussing how journalists are somewhat shirking their responsibilities when it comes to a fair and balanced reporting of the news given the vast broadcasting power they have been given. For instance, how much time was given to the news last week that Lena Dunham overheard some airline employees talking about transgender people, as opposed to the limited amount of coverage given to the revelation that North Korea has miniaturized their nuclear weapons into a form that fits onto an ICBM. They also discuss the ‘best diet article Drew has ever read’ and take some listener phone calls.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

All right, time for a throwback episode. This is 657 oppressed or killed August 2017. We talk about how journalists are maybe not doing what their full responsibility requires when it comes to fair and balanced reporting, man, that we didn't know how bad things would get. How much time was given to the news last week that Lena Dunham, that week in 2017, overheard some airline employee talking about transgender people as opposed to the limited coverage given to the revelation that North Korea had miniature. their nuclear weapons into a form that fits into an ICBM. And we also discussed a great diet article and some listener phone calls. Check it out. Throwback episode 657 from 2017 August. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on.

Got to get on. No, George Bigman to get on. Thanks, tune in. Thanks for telling a friend. We love that about you. Got some calls lined up there. I don't know. I'd do that.

Let's talk to, got the guy with the brain surgery. Yeah, he's been up for the while. Proximity to the grandparents. That one just dropped. Oh, I felt bad for him. I was going to talk to him. I want to, he was, his guy in Brooklyn was asking you, how close should

your grandparents be? I'm just going to tell you, you'll be glad up there around. I'm just telling you. They can be very helpful grandparents. Yeah. Somebody from the gene pool is useful, provided they were not abusive, well, overtly abusive, like physically abusive or sexually abusive. But they weren't, if they were just neglectful, like Anna's parents are emotionally abusive, like my parents. They can still make good grandparents.

Well, my kids, my parents have worked their entire life to be a non-factor in anyone's life, including their own. So they're just non-factors to everyone. Like, my dad was had his shortfalls as a father, but was a great, tremendous grandfather. And I just, you forgive everything once they, you know, lay it out for your own kids, you know. Yeah, kids are so elastic. My kids are so elastic, you know, they don't have any kind of, you know, real relationship with their grandparents. But they don't care one way or the other. Like, it's not, there's nothing riding on it, I don't, I don't think.

Though it's kind of an interesting thing. All right, we'll take a phone call. Then I'll tell you. something that's interesting, Drew. Look at Jim. Line 5. I'm curious where he's going with this. Hey, Jim, 69, Las Vegas?

That's me. What's going on? Well, you know, we've had a lot of really bad stuff going on lately that's really divided us and brought back things to this. Not me. Not me. It's all nonsense that I don't have fucking laugh. And I laugh at the people that I really do. We're living in a divisive nation, and it's time that we learn not to hate love, but to love hate and learn to hate love again.

You actually seem to be more bothered by divisiveness, say, a year or two ago. I just, these guys are jokes to me. Like, they're just, everyone, they're adult clowns. They're insane adult clowns that I don't even give a fuck about. Like, I don't care what's going on out there. I don't, I don't, if I, here's what I'm saying. Have I thought for a second there's an ounce of real threat to any of it? I would care.

But these are just insane adult man-children clowns. You're talking about the press. Everybody. Everybody but me. Everybody but me. Wait a minute. You and I, Jim. This is why I call.

We're man clowns, Jim. You and I. You and I. You're man clowns. This is why I called. Yeah. All right. Monuments Equality Commission.

It's so obvious. I don't understand how everybody is so fucking stupid about it. Instead of tearing down these statues, why don't you put Frederick Douglass up next to Jefferson Davis or a bunch of black union soldiers next to Robert E. Lee. Fuck all his other shit. Let's put a plaque in between there. Explains the whole thing.

And everybody who walks by goes, oh, yeah. Oh, so that's what you mean by moving forward. Oh, I get it. And the goddamn left can't bitch. The right can't bitch. The only ones are going to be upset are the antifers and a white supremacist and the extremists that are upset anyway. Yeah, but here's the problem. How come don't do things to that?

What the fuck is wrong with that? I have to answer me that. What the fuck is wrong with that as a solution? Here's the problem. Can I tell you the problem, the real problem, Jim? What's the real problem? Yeah, because they'll say it's patronizing. No, the real problem is you got Robert Ely over there.

Let's go ahead and get the, oh, Jesus Christ. George Washington Carver. Go get George Washington Carver, get a bus to him and put it over there. Then you go on to the next. next one. He got Jefferson. He had a slave owners. He had slaves. And you're like, all right. What do we got? We got George Washington. We just used him.

Shit. We got a D.L. Hughley here. Malcolm Jamal Warner. It's going to be that fast. I know that sounded racist, Drew. It did sound racist. It really did. And coming from you, I'm disappointed. But wait a minute. Do you hear about the guy today, the ESPN thing with Robert Lee?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You hear about this? Yeah, that was last week. That's why we needed this. That was ridiculous. Robert Lee can't, he can't announce a Virginia football game because the name is the same as Robert Lee.

Nobody cares. Nobody does anything. I love Bobby Lee, the guy from the mad TV. Poor Bobby Lee. Yes. One of his own. Yeah. Start going by Robert.

Ernest Lee. Thank you. I like it. Yeah. Got it. Drew. Here's the deal. You just go announce the game.

You just go do what you want. All right. We're going insane. Let's take calls. I've actually got some strong feelings with the monuments myself, but I'm not going to. Well, don't say that. Let's do calls first. I'll come back around.

I'll come back around. All right. Let's talk up. Alex, 19, Chicago. Hey, Adam. Hey, Drew. You live at Drew. You live?

Get it on Adam. Yeah, man. Oh, right. So, um, so when I'm riding my bike, I always, get tailgated by a car for some reason. And legally, I have the right-of-way to be in the middle of the street on a side street. But to be fair, you're slowing people down that have cars, right? Yes and no, because we're in a side street, so really they don't need to go fast also.

See, that would drive me insane. If I was slowing somebody down, if I was on foot, bicycle, or even another car, and I slowed somebody else down, I would have to stop. Yeah, but hold on. what if you're an angry douche, like Alex? When then, don't you think it would be fulfilling? It might be fulfilling then. Well, so let's be fair. For me, it drives you crazy after you.

But you're not an angry douche. It thinks you own the road. Okay. So be fair. Be even handed. All right. Fair enough. Should I, like, allow the person not to tailgate me and just pull over?

Or should I just keep doing my thing? Because someone already has tried to knock me off my bike because they were tailgating. Well, let's try to figure this out. Are you an angry douche? No. All right. Well, then pull over and let them by. All right.

That's simple. God, I had these assholes. Why wouldn't he pull over? I don't even understand that. Because he's an angry douche. Because these fuck sticks on their fucking bikes, the second they took the coaster gear out of there and they just made the direct drive bike, that's the lamest, stupidest, weirdest, weirdest, hipster bike in the world.

Hey, you can pedal this bike backwards. What's the four? Fantastic. It never stops pedaling. It's called a fixed gear. I'm calling a direct drive. Yeah, it's a fixed year bike. It's insane. I don't know why you'd ride it.

All right, but here's the deal. They break out in these big mobs, and they do it out here. And when I used to live in Hollywood, and I'd be here up in the hills, but I'd be here until, I don't know, nine at night or whatever I was doing over here. Sometimes I'd leave. and it'd be like driving down victory and these guys not only took the right lane but they took the left lane too and there'd be mobs of bikes mobs of bikes and there'd be 30 40 bikes douchebags all dressed and i'm sure they're on they're all the anti-fah guys now and so it's the same fucking douche angry duches and they'd just take up the whole fucking street and they'd be they'd go you know 13 miles an hour and there's no traffic there's

nobody around and I don't want to sit behind the douche parade so I would pull out go into the what would be the oncoming traffic but there was no traffic because it was the middle of the night and then I just go around everybody and they're like what the fuck and it's like the fuck I'm going home I'm not I'm not in your whatever your douche metronome that's on quailude dipped in fucking liquid nitrogen and and and and and spray Sprayed with fucking... Sprayed with bedliner. Yeah.

I'm not on that mode. I'm on tick, tick, tick mode. Yeah. You're in fucking doosh, doosh, douche, quailude mode. I'm not on that mode. I got shit to go to. And by the way, I'm not dragging you into my world. Yeah.

Please don't drag me into your world. Well, it's the same douche, doge, duke, quailude mode that has you, if you pull out of a parking structure with intent. The, uh, what, mania coming out. No, no, no, I saw you. I saw you. I'm just going to pull out. out and go on traffic. That's it. I'm the worst person in the world to try to do that

too, because I have no reaction other than your douche and I'm going home. Like, I don't, what would you like me to do? Get out and apologize or buy you an edible, arrangeable, or I really do some soul searching because you guys were going nine miles an hour in the

fucking middle of the highway and I want to go to the fuck home and I pay more in taxes. One of me pays more in taxes in one week than you fucking gaggle of ass wipes paying a lifetime. Oh, you How you're sounding like Cohen's wife last week? Who? Cohen's wife, the guy's the, not Treasury Secretary, his wife is a Swedish model,

and she was getting off a plane and a 10,000. God damn right, I looked like a model. And she was going to have a plane in a $10,000 outfit. You said, look like, didn't you? And Twitter went crazy. And she's like, hey, we create jobs and I pay taxes and. Oh, yeah, fuck all you guys. I don't give a shit about all you guys.

But she's hysterical. You know, she's from Nirvana, Sweden. Really? Yeah. I got to see a picture that's, I didn't hear, by the way, Drew. It was bouncing around a little. Yeah, I'm not that well-versed. I was out of the loop last week.

All right. Well, you see the picture you'll enjoy. You'll enjoy it. Okay. She's getting off a private chat. He was a billionaire, essentially. Yeah. And so she's like, yeah, yeah, I married this guy.

And he pays lots of taxes. And that's, yeah. And I like to buy clothing. That's it. Well, owning it would be a lot nicer for people, you know, if you just kind of own it. Well, that was her thing. And that's what you were just saying. But I'm confused by the Alex's the world.

I just can't even understand that. I cannot get my head around that. Well, maybe they'll get run over by a car and they won't be able to reproduce. But it will have a bunch of little douchebacks running around. But the person who rins them over will go to prison, you know, or be, you know, whatever. All right. Let's finish up. Time off good behavior.

Give me that picture of Colin's wire, if you want to see this. Go ahead. Sebastian, 42. Get it on, Adam. What's happening? What's going on, man? I'm happy to talk to you guys because literally this afternoon, I'm a little choked up. I got home from my brain surgery experience at the hospital, and it's actually going so well.

It's kind of frightening me. And just since you guys are calling, Drew, I called your particular, like the Drew-only show maybe three months ago. Yeah. I'm on the train on the way to my cancer special. Oh, I remember this. Oh, yeah. And I had just completed a crowdfunding thing, which people actually heard on your show

and continued to donate. So my thanks to your listeners, that was unbelievable. And even beyond that, like, people just, you know, sent me messages of support, like, your story is so inspiring. I'm like, I don't really think so, but that's, I mean, it was unbelievably, like, sweet, you know, and overwhelming shit. And I wanted to say thanks, and everybody said call with an update. Well, literally, this afternoon I get home.

I had had a tumor removed, what, like two weeks ago, and had complications the weekend after. So I went back to the ER. They scanned my brain and find a thing, a big, another lesion that was new, that was pushing, that was swelling. It was giving me pain and, like, thinking difficulties, and they literally didn't let me go home from the ER. They're like, we need to cut you open. We need to take that out. And here's what's happening. I had been losing, like, function in my left hand. Grip strength was going away. I couldn't hold. Like, if you're in bed with your fists straight over your face, you can't hold it up. Like, you'll just smack yourself in the face.

Yeah, yeah. Doctor, let's go. I was losing control. I got, it's been two weeks recovery. and now I'm home, and I'm literally thinking that I'm getting stuff back. Is it possible for me to be getting – it was in my right – Oh, absolutely, because as you said, the swelling was a big deal. Are you still on decadron or something? Yes, I'm on decadron. They're declining it each day.

Right. So the swelling – the incidental swelling near what was pressing on your head, on your brain is what was causing a lot of the deficit. And so that's all gone away and that's reducing and it's coming back. Good. That's great. He said literally as he popped the cyst around the tumor, they could see everything relax, pressure reduced, and stuff's coming back to normal. I can't believe it's this fast, though. I would say that, too, if I was a brain surgeon, by the way. I could see your brain went to a much better place soon as we got rid of the cyst, and it made a little smiley face.

What was your underlying condition? I've forgotten, Sebastian, I'm sorry. Stage four, pleomorphic sarcoma, which is just this really kind of, the word of that seems to be really weird. The doctor first told me, he's like, it's in more than one place. It comes back. So they did find another x-ray that has a new lung lesion. Like, I have to keep work. It's not like it's done, you know.

Yeah, you can chase it, though. Amazing pressure now. Two things I remember about your call. One is that it is something that can be chased, and they're going after it, and that's good. And the other thing, you've got this, and this is what people are responding to you, whether you realize it or not, you've got this tremendous attitude about this. I mean, just, you really do. Yeah, everybody says that.

And I mean, I'm sitting here crying and talking to you. But, like, it was very, very inspiring that people were even playing me just because I called into your show, you know. Like, I wasn't really asking for that. I know. I needed advice from you. No, you were fine, and I remember it, and I get why people respond it. And they'll respond again. What is the, do you still have a fund me, GoFundMe site going?

Oh, yes. What is it? It's called, it was sarcomedy.com. Easy. Just start my sarcoma plus comedy. So sarcomity, sarm e-d-d-com. The donations are over, so I'm not. asking for money, but if you got a message for me, please send it because I had no idea how

much that would have helped me, and people did just randomly. Good for you. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Support is a big deal. Let me use this to sort of dovetail into my own go-fund-me thing. The Porsche is basically... Hold on a second, Sebastian. Adam was talking about Adam. Hang on. I know you've got a plea of California, but time for it's on my car. No, the Porsche is basically paid for. But here's what I didn't know. Tires. Oh, expensive. Race fuel. I got to rebuild the engine it's an ongoing thing okay so we got to well you don't have to nobody has to nobody has those fire suits are very excited oh my god I'm pissed up don't get me going on my fire suit I'm actually pissed about what happened to my fire suit I'm angry God bless you

Sebastian all right thanks guys I appreciate it thank you my fire suits lost somewhere I'm angry about this remind me a complaint about it tomorrow Gary all right Drew monuments, yeah. So I actually heard Stern talk about this and he got me thinking. He was going on about Nazis and the wonderful, you know, courageous soldiers that, you know, went to war and fought them. And I thought, what would the soldiers, the dead guys say, both the ones that fought the Nazis and the ones that fought the Confederacy? What would they say about people rallying under that flag? the Confederate flag and rallying around statues of symbols of that civilization that they wanted to squash in front of union government buildings. What would they say? What would those dead soldiers say their sacrifice? They've sacrificed. And what would they tell us? If they could get up and be a white walker, what would they say? They'd say, I had a very long speech prepared, but then I find out about this thing called the internet and a thing called U-Porn.

That was good of that. Make haste. Moving on. Turn the page. I think they would say. Gary, find Charles Barkley talking about this. I think they would say, what are you guys doing? And we died to get rid of this.

And it's upsetting. Why is the flag up? It's upset. I understand we also died to protect the union's constitution, which, includes free speech, but this is upsetting the people, the descendants of people who were brutalized by this civilization. And then I would look over at the continent of Western Europe and go, well, they don't allow the symbols of Nazism to go on in Germany because the Jews that live there might not like that. Right. And so it just makes sense to me that at least around

government buildings and things, let's do away with these symbols, shall we? Let's put them somewhere we can remember the history, and that's that. Well, first off. Right? Am I way off? No, not way off. Okay. A couple of things.

No. Here's the what bothers me as I think, oh, my God, Savannah, Georgia. Holy shit, it's so beautiful. We'll make it a museum. Make those parks, museums, or something. But acknowledge them as separate in some weird way. But go ahead. You tell me.

All right. First off, the Holocaust is very cut and dry. Very black and white. Very black and white. There is no, there is nothing as easy as the Holocaust. So the Holocaust is basically you going, hey, this is the same as not kicking a kitten. And there's nothing that's that. You know what I mean?

It's, it's tough to make the Holocaust comparison because the Holocaust comparison is so easy because there's no nuance and there's no other flavors in that still. Why isn't slavery the Black Holocaust? Why isn't that the same thing? Well, they didn't round people up and put them in ovens. They rounded them up and beat the shit out of them and slave them. What would you rather happen to your kids? The ovens, they may not, well, I, first of all, one was... What would you rather happen to your kids?

What would you rather happen to your kids and not lie? No, I'm just thinking about it. You got to think about it. All right. Gary, you don't have kids. If you had kids, we'd either be beaten and enslaved or putting ovens and killed. Put an ovens and killed. You'd rather have them putting ovens and killed. All right.

Chris? That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah, same. Putting in ovens and killed. Yeah. All right. I'd rather be oppressed than putting an oven. But that's me.

All right, for you, would you rather be oppressed or put in an oven? No, I'd rather be oppressed. Yeah, I'd rather be oppressed. Yeah, I'd like a slave. All right. And worked like a slave. Yeah. Become a slave.

For me, when I make it about my kids, it starts to. All right, slave, you? I can take it. Me. I'll go slave. Yeah, me too. Drew, slave? Yeah.

Okay, so there's a difference then. okay okay well we've established there's a difference since all four of us have no one has said flip a coin they only reframe it would you rather your family be subjected to four years of of horror or a hundred years well did they get to see the end of the four years sometimes they were hiding out and they were you know if they were in the prisons some some not they've watched a lot of people die in the meantime well there's one is executing one is taking a group of people and executing them the other is putting them to work for free, which has been done quite a bit historically in the world. Okay? All right. So let's not argue about that. Let's let's get to the. No, no. I'm trying to argue, trying to make a comparison to this and to that. I'm saying it's there, I don't know everything about the Civil War, but I don't know that it wasn't 100% about slavery. There were many other things involved with the Civil War. As the fight went on, it became sort of about that. Well, Gary can look up the Civil War, but it was, all right.

It was about slavery, and it was about a bunch of things. Okay? Well, it was first about the Union. It was not about slavery. And then it became, as in Lincoln's second inaugural, the peculiar interest it became about that. He said, you know, one way or another, everyone knew that's really what it was about. And that's what he says in his second inaugural. Okay.

So it's not solely a war about slavery, is what I'm saying. Correct. And thus, there's shades of gray here. Was the secular war solely a war about the Jews being roundup? We didn't even know about it. I'm not talking about that war. I'm not talking about... Go ahead.

All right. I'm in comparisons. Go ahead. Sorry. Now, so there's nuances, and I don't know all the nuances. Okay. I don't know what you could say if you're a defender of Robert E. Lee or whomever the statue is. You might say to me, this person did X, Y, and Z that wasn't negative.

I don't know. Okay. And I don't know if that particular person's mission was to re-earned. in state slavery or to keep slavery. I don't know all of it. If you would permit me, because since we're having comparisons, that's the equivalent to saying, well, Albert Speer was a

great architect. Why did we destroy all his architectural genius? We destroyed it because it was representative of this civilization that perpetrated these things. Right. Now, when the people built the monuments, did they build them because they love slavery?

No. What's the motivation for the monument? Monument is they love their society, love their civilization. And they love this guy who tried to preserve their civilization. I don't know what the motivation solely was about why you'd build a monument to a guy who died in this war. Okay. But that all being said, it's called history. And people should be exposed to it. And you can go, well, put the Holocaust Museum, put it in the Holocaust Museum. Right. Well, we did. All right, but

we're teaching also. We teach about it in classrooms. Yes. Let's Well, that's out of the Holocaust Museum. Oh, no, no, I'm saying, but I'm saying the, I'm saying the subject that you're saying. No, no, no, teach about slavery. Let's not teach about slavery. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no one's saying that. Why? Why, I'm saying that?

Because the same reason. It's an awful thing. Same reason you teach about Holocaust. Outside of a Holocaust museum. People can go to the Holocaust Museum and learn about the Holocaust. And we go to slavery museum and learn about slavery. And we teach both. We teach both because it's part of our history.

It's part of the history for both. Then the statue is part of it. of the history. It is, but then why don't we let the Nazi stuff exist in Germany? Just all they let people march around there in their outfits and have their swastikas up on the buildings and why not? Well, first off, they're freaked out about it because they have a history with it, which is beyond pay.

What was going, what they did, well, first of, what they did is in slightly modern times, which makes it even more insane. Yeah. You understand people. people on this planet behaved in many incredible ways many years ago. Slavery was ubiquitous. Every country, every civilization, they all had slavery. We fought a war to end slavery.

No one else did that. Everyone just had slaves. We didn't invent slavery. Go ahead and make the look. We didn't invent slavery. Everyone had slaves. We refined it into chattel slavery, which is a different manifestation of slavery. What slavery?

Chattel slavery, it's called. That's the kind of slavery. we ended up with here. We didn't start with that. It was a very different thing in the 17th, 18th, 18th century. The whole world had slaves. Non-chattle slavery, yes. And both, I would argue.

They used slaves as a commodity. The whole world did it, Drew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone did it. We fought a war and ended it. I don't know how many other nations fought a war to end it, but we did. Yeah. So that's a good thing.

Yeah. Okay. Now, as far as the war, I feel, as far as the, here's my bigger my bigger thing is not to defend the civil war or slavery or slave owners or any of this thing mr pious over there can't decide whether he'd want to go in an oven or being indentured servitude for the rest of his life no my kids are your kids I wouldn't want my kids are going in an oven either all right go ahead I saw jango seemed uh you know what's his name um Jackson uh um oh that's racist yeah Samuel L Samuel Jackson he had a decent line all right here's what I'm saying I would like to live in a world where no one gave a shit about these monuments. Yes, that's sure. We all lived in that world 10 minutes ago. Oh, um, nothing.

I don't know. You don't know anything. You couldn't get an average white, brown, or black person to go stand in front of an average monument, an average city, and tell us who was on what side, what they did, and who this guy did, what his history or connection was. And would they feel threatened when they walk past it? I don't think so. What do you feel threatened by?

There are many things in this world that you can feel threatened by, but that do not pose a direct threat to you. And my feeling is a couple things. You saying I feel threatened by this chunk of bronze with the guy at the big beard that's 150 or 200 years old, once that comes down, you will, it's not like you'll be satiated. It's not like, oh, good, thread over, moving on. No, you'll move on to the next threat.

You'll move on to the next thing that feels threatening to you. And I would like for you not to live that life. Okay. So my feeling is keep walking. Charles Barkley put it very succinctly. Sorry, he'll tell you all about it. Surprise that you guys would throw all your kids in an oven, by the way. I'm not going to surprise to answer me.

Everyone was their kid to go to an oven. I love it. Go ahead. I'm not going to waste my time worried about these Confederate statues. That's wasted energy. Thank you. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to keep doing great things.

Well, I can sign off on that too. I'm going to keep trying to make a difference, number one, in the black community because I'm black, but I also going to try to do good things in the world. I'm not going to waste my time screaming at a neo-Nazi. a neo-knot to who's going to hate me no matter what. Yeah, he's right. And I'm not going to waste my time trying to worry about these statues they got all over the country. So do you leave them up and ignore them?

I've always ignored them. Rick, I'm 54 years old. I've never thought about those statues a day in my life. Of course, yes. I've never, I think if you ask most black people, to be honest, They ain't thought a day in their life about those stupid statues. Okay. All right.

Here's the point. You'll never see a neo-Nazi in your life. If you're just an average black person or average white person, an average or whatever person, you just go through life. You will go through your entire adult life and hit the grave before you make contact with a neol Nazi. And you may go through your entire adult life without being within 25 feet of one of those monuments. I learned something extraordinary before you just said, Charles Parkley's black. Yeah. It's incredible.

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And the distinction that I make between slavery and the Holocaust is Holocaust was just pure evil in the face. It was actually costing money to wage a war against Jews in the middle of World War II. Like, it was an insane calorie burner. Like, if I was the most German Holocaust rah-rah cheerily in the world, I would still say, wait till we win this war, then we'll get your trains and your Auschwitz. in your ovens. Let us win. Furt. We need these guys on the front. It is weird. I wonder why they did that. It's an ins, from a, from a practical standpoint, it's the word, and I just

be going everybody. Think about it. They could have put them to work. They're all the accountants and the doctors. Just, let's just slay Russia and then we can get all the Jews we want. But for now, let's just focus on this. All right, that's an insane evil. To me, slavery was evil, but it was greed, dream. evil. I don't know that, you know, I don't think Thomas Jefferson was evil. I think it was a greed thing. I think all those guys, it was free labor. It's like, it was a free labor, nobody judge and we're going to be, we're doing evil things, but it's, we want this free, went everything for free. That's, I, I much. It was greed and a weird delusion. Yeah. Well, anyone can be

fucking social, cultural. Oh, Drew. Get off your fucking high horse. The entire world was doing it. They didn't have you weren't considered delusional when everyone was doing engaged in this activity you know i don't know what snuff would go how snuff would go over now wouldn't go over very well it'd be weird if people are getting into snuff not that snuff is as bad as slip no you know what i'm saying yes you keep doing this high horse sort of moral thing your dad could have owned slaves back in the day i don't think your dad as a is a rich entrepreneurial white guy would have taken a stance I said, no, this is wrong. This is a human being.

I don't know how many of us would have said, I don't care. I would like to pay a prevailing wage, and I will have my farm tended to by people, and I'll get them health care. Like, I just don't know, honestly, how many people, I think I have your answer. Don't come to the greed. I don't, well, since it was prevalent worldwide, I would say not a large group of people. I'm glad we've evolved. I'm glad we fought a war, and I'm glad we won the war. But doing this thing where you just transport yourself back to 1841 and you just go, oh, please.

I don't know. And the reason I don't know is because no one else was doing it. Now, enough people were. You got your history a little off. I'm sorry to tell you. Go ahead. I don't want to get into it. Go.

Slavery, first of all, was not a racial thing throughout history. It was people, you know, rounded up in wars mostly. Yeah, I didn't say. What I say race. Hold a second. Well, no, you're doing the, know your history. Worldwide, what was practice worldwide, was sort of just indentured servitude. You would just, you'd have to do your servitude because you lost a war and you'd do it until it's over.

No, I said slavery. But they weren't. All right. There's no chattel component. Tell, explain the chatt. I mean, the selling and the, and the separation of families and the irons and the beatings and the, you know, all that stuff came with our version of it in the south. Just us. Okay.

Look it up. Just us. And there may be in Egypt, there was some stuff. for a while that went on with that. The Jews had the benefit of that one, too. So it's appeared in history here and there. But it's not, when you think of slavery worldwide, that's not what that was. It was a very different kind of thing. So it was a good kind of slavery? Even in New England when we had slavery, it was very different, very different. Before they made it illegal, it was extremely different. It was like servants, sort of,

rather than this, these. All right. So that's all right. I mean, what do we call that? We don't call it slavery? Gary's looking at it. Well, what I'm saying is slavery was prevalent worldwide. Is that an inaccurate statement? I'm sorry, I was researching the meaning of chattel slavery to make sure that we had it. I'm not saying mean slavery. I'm just saying slavery worldwide. True.

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. I didn't define a mean or a kind of slavery. I know. But, Drew, if I'm making the statement that slavery was a worldwide condition, then that's true. In terms of race, I'm not saying what race anybody was. No, I think slavery was a thing that was worldwide. And we engaged in something that the rest of the world engaged in and historically engaged. Used to, historically done so.

We were the last to let go. We were the last to let go. How many people fought a civil war over letting it go? Zero? I don't know. I think zero. Well, you know everything else about slavery. I don't know that.

I don't know that. Because it doesn't fit your narrative? No, I don't know. Well, you know the bad stuff. Do you know any of the good stuff? I don't know the stuff that no other countries. I imagine some other country did. All right.

find out all the other countries that had a civil war over slavery, and so Drew can be right and find out all the definitions. I'm just saying, Drew. I get you. Why do we just continue with the beating on ourselves? Well, I like what I said it would have been rejected because you see color and I hear content. Well, it's taken in a different way. I'm not disagreeing with your point.

Thank you very much. Mm-hmm. Okay. Hey, Johnny, 31 Salt Lake City. Hey, guys, how's going? What's going on? Hey, so, me and my wife, we got married about six months ago, and her 21-year-old little brother wants to move in.

And, yeah, he's nice. He's cool. I like him. But, you know, he's kind of lost. Kind of doesn't really have direction. That's going to be. You're not going to have. help you don't help anyone when they look hold on a second you help someone when they move in if

their house catches on fire and they need to crash somewhere for three weeks while the repairs are being made but if they're just and they're not cutting it and they just need to crash that and that it'll never work it's like it's like it's not going to end it's not going to end well it's not going to end soon right right it's it's it's it's like lending money to somebody I can lend you money if you tell me your bank closed early on Friday and you've made this deal and you've got to pay the guy Friday afternoon, but your bank will open Monday and you'll go in there because the resources are, they're there. If you just tell me you need to borrow some money because you don't have money, you're not

getting paid back. Right. And if you just need a place to crash because you don't have a place, you're not getting off that sofa. All right. One more and then I'll wrap it up. Gary, what you find out? I want to know about slavery.

That's going. we invented mean slavery everyone else said nice happy slavery we had the mean slavery and then we were the last to do away with slavery and there many wars were fought internationally over the slaves civil wars

Scott 53 Texas what's going on hey guys how y'all doing today good I was curious Adam why you why you why you felt it was okay to, on today's Adam Caromaccio,

to talk on the podcast about the amends that you received from Margaret Cho. It doesn't appear that you really respect the steps or the amends process. The amends aren't for, they weren't for you. Therefore, Margaret or whoever's giving the amends is the real intent. Yeah, well, listen, I wasn't, they weren't for me, but then they were for me. So I was dragged into it. Right, right. But why, I mean, why would you feel it's okay to, to, or number one, you're exposing

Margaret Cho's anonymity by saying she gave you immense, which means she's in a 12-step program. I was just hoping Drew could maybe explain to you that, not that he already probably hadn't over the years, but how important these steps are, and you may not respect, and you may think that they're hooey. I don't disrespect them. It's just, you know, she's a public figure. I'm a public figure. And it's just a story.

I've told it many times. She doesn't seem to have an issue with it. You know, 20 years ago. I've never heard the story before. I've heard all your other stories dozens of times, and I love them every single time. Well, I've told this one. That's all you do is repeat your stories. So we've heard those.

Well, you're not listening closely enough, Scott, because I've told them. I've told them many times, this one particularly. I've heard the story that she wanted you to pluck her and all that. Whoa. But not the man's story. No. Well, it's been told multiple times. Yeah.

I think even with Margaret here once you discussed it, or there's in the radio studio. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. You've talked about it this year. In the last two months, you've talked about it on your pot. But that's fine. It's a great story.

But, through, explain to him about this. The steps. I'm confused. All right, he'll tell me about the steps. I will. I'll talk to him. He'll tell me off the air about the steps. So, according to the, apparently multiple Latin American countries fought for independence and ending slavery.

Those were their fights. So there were civil wars for independence and ending slavery. I'll look into that. What years those were in. And then if we're the last, and if we invented mean slavery. No, chattel slavery. Means. So I can know what is mean slavery.

We did not invent it. It exists as long as recorded history. What? Chattel slavery. Drew says we perfected it. No, I said it shows up in periods of time. It's generally not what's practiced. Generally not.

Okay, but there is a history of existing in the world. Let him finish. Let him finish. The Egyptians, it shows up. Yes, it shows up. It was very sporadic before we got hold of it. No, no, no. It made it a household term.

No, no, no. Gary's saying no. Okay. Well, there you go, Drew. Right. All right. All right. Listen, you love the Holocaust.

I love slavery. Let's just agree to disagree. Shall we? All right. Let's see. Not Taco Bell material, man. The one-man show. Chicago Park West, that's Saturday, September 23rd.

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