The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #800: Music Makes Me Angry

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

April 5, 2018 - Adam and Dr. Drew open the show discussing some phrases that have been co-opted by society and how the term ‘gaslighting’ that was popular in the late 1800s and early 1900s has come back into popularity today. They also discuss the recent march against guns and what the practicality of what some on the left seem to want to do to try and reel in assault style weapons. They also turn to the phones and speak to a caller who wanted to alert Adam that he was discussed on Barstool recently and another with a question about one of Adam’s favorite bands ‘The Jayhawks’.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Built for serious players. Prediction markets follow the conversation. Bet Online defines it. Bet Online, the game starts here. Time for another throwback episode. It's number 800 from April 2018. It's entitled Music Makes Me Angry. We discussed some of the phrases that have been co-opted by society

and how the term gaslighting had become popular. Who knew how popular that was going to become? It was actually popular in the late 1800s, and in the 1900s made a comeback, and of course now, it's just part of our vocabulary. We discussed the recent march against guns and what the practicality of some on the left seemed to want to do to try to reel in assault-style weapons.

Plus en-Change. We also turn to the phones and speak to a caller who wanted to alert Adam that he was discussed on Barstool recently. And another caller with a question about one of Adam's favorite bands, The Jayhawks. That's her music, makes him angry. Enjoy this episode from April 2018, what we call BC before COVID. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew's show. Yeah, get it on.

Got to get it on. No, Judge, we've got to mandate. Get it on. Thanks for tune in and thanks for telling a friend. We love that about you, right, Drew? Yes, we love that when you tell friends. That's our thing, man. Yeah, word of mouth.

Word of mouth. There is nothing stronger than word of mouth. I totally agree. All right. What's new in your world? Do you listen to anybody else's... Oh, I want to ask, well, two questions. Do you listen to anybody else's podcast?

Everybody on podcast one. Okay. And if you heard about this thing where I guess the Trump administration wants to collect the census in 2020 and they want to ask people, are they citizens or not? Yes. And they are getting sued for that. It's creating this huge outrage. It's going to drive guest friends. You mean guest workers, whatever we call them?

guest citizens, undocumented citizens. It's going to drive undocumented citizens underground. That's what I've learned from CNN. I've also learned, I've learned a lot of things from CNN. I've learned that killing terrorists creates more terrorists. It's like head lice. Like when a kid would come home from kindergarten with headlice and you kill those headlights? Is that way with Nazis and Germans?

and does that way that worked that way too back in those days? From World War II? Yeah, yeah. No, no. Oh, no, that was different. We were physiologically much different back in the 40s. I see. So killing Nazis just killed Nazis and then ended wars.

Now it spawns more ISIS members or what we were talking about? ISIS. When you kill ISIS, three or four other ISIS members spring up. Just pop out of you when you're dying. Right. So it's not the same as the Germans in World War I or World War II or the Japanese or any of the access powers. Understood? I understand.

Totally different. Physiologically, we've come a long way. We've evolved to the point when you try to kill us. We spot three other people. Yeah, yeah. No, they know. CNN. There's a few things that CNN knows.

Do they offer a solution? Well, they know you're a bad person if you argue with them. I see, okay. They know what I've learned is that if you ask to check a box or whether you're a citizen, that'll drive guest neighbors underground. Killing terrorists creates more terrorists and walls never kept anyone out of anything ever. Those are my three major things that I've learned. I just saw Dylan walk right into this room through this wall.

There's a perfect example. He passes through it. Yeah. Like anybody, because walls don't. Look, Gary could walk right in if he wants. He's just sitting there in the other room. And parents, intact families, and a focus on education do not impact. Anything.

Well, they have some effect on kids and drop out and prison and stuff like that. But until we disrupt the school to prison pipeline, there's no amount of parenting or education that'll correct it. So these are all things that I've learned. And I did not know. And as a matter of fact, intuitively. I just thought, well, if you kill terrorists, you'll have less terrorists. I didn't know I was wrong. And because of the walls around prisons and federal buildings and schools and take those down,

most any protected facility. We're not prisons. We don't have any walls there. By the way, prisons might separate families. We don't want to separate families. The logic I had that was flawed with walls is walls are two billion years old. And usually when stuff stops being effective, we phase it out. Yeah.

But not walls. But it's anachronistic. We just forgot. We just aren't being proactive. Oh, the other thing I learned, I didn't know this. If a wall goes up on the border, it's not going to keep Mexico's from coming over here. It's going to keep me in. Oh.

See what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't go to Mexico. Well, I can. No. But metaphorically, I'm stuck. I see. See what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

I don't like the sound of that. This crap hole, yeah. That's right. You want to run down to that. These are all things that I've learned. Yeah. Yes, all very important truths. The other thing, did we talk about the term gaslighting?

I know what the term means. That's the one that my daughter throws around all the time. And if you're in a college campus, every time you argue with somebody, they just go, why are you gaslighting me? That's their go-to. That is from a film from the 30s or something. And it's weird that it made a comeback. Well, because it's a convenient way to throw people off because you're not really sure what they're saying. Gaslighting wasn't a... Gaslighting was a movie about someone who was trying to make the other...

Make the other person feel crazy. Exactly. I guess it's called the gaslight. Yes, it's called the gaslight. But it must have been from the 30s or 40s. Yes, it's from 30s, yeah. Okay. And it didn't formally exist in the 90s.

I mean, I knew it because of an improv guy. Yeah. I hung around with smart guys who watched a lot of movies. But the term, if I would say to any... anybody you're, I'm gas-lying you or you're gas-lying me, that wouldn't have made sense to anyone. Now, any argument is gaslighting. Oh, really? Yeah.

It's either, there's two moves. Gaslighting, which, which again, confuses your opponent and makes them try to adjust as opposed to going, stop, I'm not. This is an argument. Here's my logic. Karen Valentine is being gaslit by her? Was that with that? Hold on. Gary just put up a definition.

What's it say? Karen Valentine's. Manipulating someone by cyclone. psychological means. Karen Valentine, that's me, wait, hold on. Where do you see Karen Valentine? Oh, yeah.

In the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband. Psychological means questioning their own sanity. But that's a TV movie from the 70s. There must be a, the film was from the 30s. That's just, they just use random things, an example of how it would be used in a sentence. Karen Valentine's. I know what a random thing. I know.

Oh, look at that. Look at that. I was used in the turn of the century. Turn of the century. We were looking at a graph of the frequency of use. It must have spiked when we had the monkeys farting into the flame on the man show, right? Yeah. The lighting of the gas.

Oh, yeah. Literally gaslighting. So what's going on? There's two moves now, which is you're gaslighting me, which is immediately sets you kind of makes you confused if you're trying to have a discussion with somebody. Or the other is they project their own aggression onto you. you're being aggressive, you're being sex Yeah, that's been around for a while. Yeah, that you're this, you're that,

which is actually their disavowed parts of themselves that they're putting on you. It's confusing when you're the recipient of this stuff. I, again, I blame you. Why? Because a lot of this stuff we're talking about, if you've argued with a woman enough, is kind of female behavior.

It's less male and more female. I have arguments with women. I've had arguments with men, and they argue in different ways. The quest for us to become women has caused a lot of this. And I blame Drew because Drew always looked at it is the light, the path. And I always said to him, I don't think it's the path. I think there are plenty of good qualities men have

and plenty of good qualities women have and then vice and then plenty of bad qualities they both have. There is no one way. It's called a balance, my friend. No, there's a balance. There is a balance that is created by my

mentality and there's a balance that's created by my wife's mentality. And if we just ran our house and raise our kids by swinging all the way over to her side and just sort of going, hey, this is the new world order. We think like you think, and that's how we run our household. That would not be good.

And conversely, if we swung it over to my way, it'd be a utopia. I know you thought, let's take some phone calls. I know you thought I was going a different direction. No, if we swung it over to my way, it would be better, but it wouldn't be good. What's good is the balance. Yeah. That's the balance. Yeah.

Now, these wouldn't be good for your kids. That's right. Now, it'd be good for the neighborhood. But no, the balance is what we're striving for. And if you are going to decide that there is no, you know, everything's fluid and everything's, there is no man, there's no female. And if you've decided, like we've decided, that the enlightened path and the answer is toward the female side, and we've gone hard down that road over the last few years and we're going even harder down that road and faster down that road, then you are going to get these types of discussions, these types of thoughts. What type of the gas lighting?

Just the discussions we're having now that I felt threatened, he felt threatened, nobody should ever, like these sort of insane proclamations, you know, if just one child is ever threatened, you know, you turn on the news and it's like a child should not feel unsafe in their classroom. No child deserves to get shot at school. No parent wakes up and says, I hope my son or daughter get shot on a school camp. Nobody wishes that for their children.

And by you suggest, you know, it's like, all right, this is insane. This is ramblings of an insane purse of people, right? I don't even, do you understand that every one of these debates I now hear on TV and the Internet has the one side going of. Of course I'm against school shootings. You know? Of course I don't hate Hispanic people or I'm not prejudiced against. Of course I think everyone is equal.

Like stating things that are insane, obvious. And as a matter of fact, I would like it if the people that did that would not dignify it with an answer all the time when they're being accused of whatever it is. these these are non these are not that's not critical thinking that's the other person gaslighting you they're the one actually doing the gaslighting where you have to go wait a minute I'm not I'm not

am I racist no wait a minute I'm not racist then you have to address it that's gaslighting right so sorry do you have anything to say about that about the gas let no no it was just that those strategies have become so commonplace now

Are they strategies? Yeah. And they're not discourse. They're not logical. They're not discussive. There's nothing happening except people acting out emotionally. It's really an acting out behavior. Okay.

You ready to do this? Kyle, 22, Chicago. Kyle. Hey, what's up, Adam? What's going on? I've been a fan forever. Thank you. Been a fan forever.

I've been trying to get a hold of someone all day today. So I was listening to the series. XM. I know you're familiar with Barstle. I know you had a few people on in the past. And they were talking, they recently bought this boxing league. It's called Rough and Rowdy. And it's the funniest thing ever. They have just regular people that come, it started with just like these hillbillies in West Virginia. And they hype up these fights. And it's becoming huge. There was 70,000 pay-per-view buys the last time. And they just got Bill Burr, Bill Burr saw it. And it was a huge fan of it. and they just got him to announce alongside. It's with the Barso president.

And your name was just dropped randomly today on the XM saying that we need to get cruel on here. He would be electric. And then I don't even think they know they had a boxing background. But I'm just one to get your opinion. Bill Burr would know that, wouldn't he? I would assume that they must have some idea about boxing background. Otherwise, my name may not have been dropped. But look, I'm happy it was dropped.

Yeah, you know, it's funny. not directly here, but I said, well, we start the show talking about how guys who are turning into chicks, and I said, each time 10 guys turn into a chick, the 11th one becomes a cage fighter. The reason this stuff is on the rise is because we're stuffing, we're not letting boys be boys anymore, and it's breaking out. It's going hard the other way, right? We don't let my son can't play football at his school. You know what I mean? They're taking, again, this notion of, hey, we've got to be.

bunch of chicks and we're running the show and we don't like football because we find it aggressive and we know there's all the things we don't like about it from a feminine standpoint. So, hey, boys, be miserable because we've deemed, we've deemed this not good. Right. But if there's a bunch of dudes who are at the school, then they would deem it as good. It's unfair and it's kind of torture because kids really want to get out and get after. My son told me, much like you and me, that football is one of the most important, experiences going from being a sort of a schlubby freshman to anchoring an offensive line as a senior.

It's something about that is transformative. And it's not just overcoming the skill. It's putting yourself in harm's way every play on behalf of your peers. Right. That's a middle-aged house frowse deemed it. She doesn't like the aggression. So she's going to get rid of it. And because they're in charge and Drew, because you said their path was the answer, then we're all supposed to just get in line.

How can I make that up? What should I do to make penance? I need a blow job. Right now? After the show. After the show. Kyle, drop. You got to have.

Yeah, I'll look. You got to have one of your lackeys. You got to have one of your lackeys look up all this, though, and then you've got to get in touch with them. Because I've listened to all the podcasts. You guys have very, very similar humor. And I think it would be incredible. It'd be exposure-wise and money-wise. I think it would be worth everything.

So you got to at least look into it. I shall look into rough and rowdy. I can say that I am very aware of these things, and they are quite silly and quite funny. I mean, it's true. They do short, like, one-minute rounds and stuff. It's a shit show. Shopify, 20206 is the year that you're going to get after it. And a lot of you have ideas, and you love to take the leap, but you don't know where to start.

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Good, listen, I've been listening to you guys both since the 90s. I think the two of you guys together are magic. I mean, you make my life a better place. I love it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Chuck. Bless Chuck. I do want to make a political statement here.

I don't think any child should ever have to go to school and have a kidney zone. I just had one a few days ago. That's pretty good times. That's pretty fun, huh? Oh, awful. It was the worst experience of my. my life. Yeah, it's bad. So my question is, from a diet standpoint, and all about this Vinny in

S&G for probably the better part of a year and lost about 55 pounds, and I know diet can be related to this. And I want to know if there's anything I can't eat that will help prevent it or something that I should not eat to prevent it from coming back. I can't believe they didn't go over this with you, no? The doctors? No. No, it was terrible. I got misdiagnosed in the ER. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. So here's the deal. Lots of, don't ever get dehydrated. If you ever get dehydrated again, you will be prone to farming stones in all likelihood. Number one. Number two, oxalates. I assume you had a calcium oxalate stone. That's the most common. Is that correct? That's correct, yeah. So oxalates are your big problem.

And so it's coffee, chocolates, that kind of thing. They will be a problem. So in teas, be careful. And then there is a medication that you can take. See, calcium oxalate stones sometimes form around urate crystal. And if you're a uric acid secretor, sometimes you can limit that by taking a medication called thiozyte. But that's something you want to talk to an oprologist about. They'd have to measure what your kidneys are putting out, that kind of thing. The main thing is fluids, watch out for the oxalates. Okay? Gotcha. Thank you so much. Fluids meaning not coffee, not, what about diet soda? This is where water is good. This is a situation.

from water is extra super good. Well, I'll see I want to flush out those toxins. But that's a toxin. That stone is a top. You live in a toxic environment. If they only do the complexity of how the kidney tubules work, they wouldn't even, they would not be able to be a doctor. Drew. I understand we live in a toxic environment.

The carpet on the floor is toxic. And you live in that. Think about these cells on the beginning of the, oh, it's so complicated. We live in a toxic world. Let's go to True Car. Let's escape this toxic world with true car, man. MSRP. How about it, man?

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Hold on a second. Hold on. What's next, Mr. Oracle? No, I know. I don't care about what we missed. You know all those stupid movies where the climate scientist goes, my models had this happening 50 years from now. And then they go rushing into the Pentagon with their paperwork.

It's happening now. It's happening. I'm like, and it was like, that's always dismisses of Jeff Goldblum or whatever it is. And that's what happened. And 50 years, Wally-Chicks was according to my models, my models for change, societal change, I had this thing set for 50 years. We'd all become chicks. It was fair.

You were thinking about about 20 years ago, so it doubled. It's essentially about double rate, right? Right. Yeah. Right. Sorry. I'll talk to. Sorry.

Peter. Go ahead. Yeah, I got to go back and listen. I got to go back and listen to that book because I had a lot of, I can't even remember what I said, but they were thoughts. But go ahead. So, and talking about your upbringing and the losers used to hang around with in your recent firing of Ray, I was listening to one of my favorite J-Haw. songs. Nothing left to borrow while I was cooling down from a run a couple days later. You, my friend, are a winner. You're 26 and you're listening to the Jayhawks. I hope that's

because of me, but that's a great song. It's 100% because of you from the album Tomorrow the Greengrass. It's one of the best albums I've ever listened to. I totally agree. And if you don't like it, you're stupid. Yes. Yes. Yeah, the harmonies are amazing. And the song, Nothing Left to Barrow, the lyrics really kind of reminded me of your story I don't know if you guys have it

there go yeah we're hearing it now I lyrics matter and songs to me that Jayhawks harmonies are great

and turn it up I'm here for a second once you left behind a stuck in a good sound sad are you

fucking speed wagon or with a soft cell or calling shit or one of these bands. Like, what's wrong with us? It's so, it's my greatest lament in the world

is why we can't listen to good music. Don't turn it all the way off. Listen, Peter, obviously you're a genius because you respond to things I tell you. Well, and that's actually, that details nicely into what I was about to say was, you know, okay, so that line, so you're still making the rounds of the fools

and the clowns, and you feel that your ship had arrived, and your whole story of just realizing that these guys weren't the ones were going to get you where you wanted to be. And a few years ago, when Drew put his keys with the vaccine in the fridge, from that day on, I've done exactly the same thing. Whenever I need to remember something, put my key with whatever it is. Right. I was at the next girlfriend's house, put my key in the fridge with some butter than I bought.

Oh, hold on. Harmonies, turn it up. There you go. This album is 25 years old. Guess who was listening to this goddamn album when he was 28 years old? Not Prince. Right said Fred and all these other assholes. All right. Yeah.

You know what? Hold on. My mic's, there you go. Let me tell you some. You'll be, hey, Peter. Thank you. You're right. We're all right.

We're all right. You're a genius, Peter. No. I appreciate that. Gary Loris, the lead singer, the main guy from the Jayhawks. I was sitting around listening Jayhawks and listen to my son. I made my son listen to. Oh, poor Drew.

It's miserable. I find she walks in so many ways. Sorry. The Jayhawks song. You should listen to that too, Peter. And I was forcing my son to listen to it, but he loves it. Okay. The girls listen to stupid Rihanna and like stupid girl music, like nonsense robot.

That's just sort of vacuous. It's just empty, just tinny nothingness. DJ Khalid, you know, pointing at the ceiling. It's just like just such zero. But my son is like tuned in. Good. And we're listening. And I just sent Gary.

I sent the lead singer. I sent Gary Loras. I just sent him an email going, hey, we're digging. we're just listening your music and we're having a dance party and he's right seeing what I know turn it up I want to enjoy myself

You should be All right All right Would you guys please expose yourself To good music Turn it up To hear it on the radio You've got to go find it

You listen to me I'll tell you where to find it A couple more, 30 more seconds, Drew. Douglas is in it. I mean, who's into music? Douglas. Douglas. This part is why I love the Jayhawks.

As you go, so I go. Where you stand, I will stand stronger than the wind. Don't be played on the fucking radio. Do we have to hear Man Eater again, or can we hear the song once? Just once. Just once. Can we hear the song once? Just once on the radio.

Or do we say, whoa. There's another, whoa, whoa, here she comes. Watch our boy. Oh, oh, boy. Oh, Abra, Abra, Cadabra. I want to we chat and grab you. Can we just hear the fucking Jayhawks? Just hear something good.

You know what? Guess what? People may not be good. They may not be musicians. They may not be scholars of music. But guess what? When you give them something good, they respond. They understand.

My son, when he was seven, got that this shit was ten times better than all the shit I was talking about before this. He just got it because he's smart. You can be smart too. Music makes me angry. I notice that. John Hyatt. You know why it makes me angry? Because it's a metaphor for our entire society, which is we have choices and we choose stupid.

Yeah. We just choose stupid. And we're fed stupid, too. And we're fed stupid. All right. Let's get some Jayhawks. Where was I? Live lock.

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It's all very convenient. And then you get your identity hacked into. And that is a bad day. So if you have a problem, they have agents who will work to fix it, but you're not going to have a problem because you've got LifeLock, right, Drew? No one can stop every cyber threat, prevent all identity theft or monitor transactions at all businesses. But new LifeLock with Norton Security is able to uncover threats you might otherwise miss. Go to LifeLock.com or call 1-800 LifeLock, and he's a promo code Adam,

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Come on. Two big shows there. We're doing a first TV special over, first stand-up special over there. Drew? Drew. Dr.com for the family of pods and Facebook and YouTube page. Check it out. So, until next time, I have Pearl for Dr. Gersay.

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