The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Classic #803 Big Swinging Black Caucus

Episode Date: October 8, 2026

Apr 10, 2018Adam and Dr. Drew open the show continuing part of a conversation that started yesterday surrounding the idea of young people not having a drive to work and grow out of their current situations. They then turn to the phones and speak to a caller with a question about the differences between DHEA and over the counter testosterone boosters and another who is considering putting his young son on ADD medication.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Time for another throwback. This is April 2018. We talk about a conversation the start of the day before surrounding the idea of young people not having to, a drive to grow out of their current situation. That's 2018. And guess what? That was just becoming apparent. It seems like it was happening before that. But we turn to the phones and speak to a caller who questions about the difference between D-H-E-A and over-the-counter testosterone boosters. And another caller who's considering putting his young son on ADD medication.

Enjoy this throwback from April 2018. Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to The Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on. The church has been a mandate. Get it on.

Thanks for tuning in. And thanks for telling a friend. love that about you. Right, Drew? We do. And I've been troubled by something since we talked yesterday. It's just gotten into my craw, which is we were talking about sort of millennial tendency to stay with their family of origin, which I don't object to.

And I think it's, you know, the economic reasons for it. And we didn't even get into that sort of conversation. We were talking about more of the pathological reasons for it. But, you know, generations through history sort of take care of themselves, right? Each other. And to be fair, you know, you and I both all made the point that, you know, part of the reason we have horrible problems with mental health and homelessness is the families don't take care. There's no family there to take care of people, right? So in a way it's a positive.

It's the only problem. In a way, it's a positive thing. In my world. Yeah. And in my world, there are problems. There's mental illness. There's addiction. There's, you know, there's bone diseases.

I mean, there are many problems. and they're all, if not nullified, made tenfold better by a strong structure, family, all the things that that provides, including a roof. Just to capture them and contain them and help them and get the services and things like that. Yes, yes. Yes, it's not. Whatever it is, whether it's a medical illness or a mental illness, right? That's how we care for each other than these little units. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Right. So I didn't mention the podcast. positive aspect. Of being at home. Yeah, somebody until they're 25 or it's 26 or having a secure base to operate from. I really don't have any big issue with that.

But what bothered me when I was thinking a lot about, and I don't know why I'm so treated. Maybe I need you to help me. I am really, really bothered by the homeless situation. And it connects to this issue somehow. And I brought it up yesterday. I said, you know, they're homeless. There's a bunch of them that are just couch, you know,

surfing and are homeless. And that seems like a new thing to me. It's something novel. The homeless barred? Well, there's the chronically homeless, which are out there in the tents that the fact that we don't take care of that is reprehensible and just as a scandal. And I blame government for that. But that there's generally, I think, a lot more homelessness than we ever realized or have ever dealt with before. Just as a, it goes down as, oh, well, he's just staying with this family. But no, no, no, no, he's 29. He's homeless. You know what I mean? I don't remember seeing that, any of that back a long time ago, even 20 years ago, I don't remember seeing it. Right. So you're talking about the homeless population that lives in someone else's home.

Yes. Couch surfing. No, it's interesting. I never thought about it because obviously the only homeless you care about is the guy who's defecating in front of your house. But this is homeless in your neighbor's house, but he's still homeless. And somehow it all connects, and I can't figure out how. Because I'm really bothered by the stuff in the street. I'm mostly bothered because of failure of government to help human suffering. But I'm bothered because it's so matter of fact right now that it drifts all the way into people couch surfing, I think. I think as people just go down as, hey, hey, that's just how I get by.

It's just how you get by, you should be ashamed yourself. You should move to another state and want to – you know what I mean? This is back to what we were talking about. You should want to work your way out of that. Yeah. Look, here's the thing. I mean, here's part of my overall gestalt. People's, not your default setting, but people's default setting is not a noble setting.

People's default setting, the setting that most people are at or go to, the most, the most easily are the look I don't know what percentage look if you said as an example I think I would have to figure this out but go ahead I want you to hear it you back out of your parking space and you hit the quarter panel of another car and you put a dent in it okay ten people if you took seven and a half or eight of them and you said hey man you can leave or leave a note but you know seven or eight of them would leave, right? If you said, hey, this place is monitored by security cameras and it all goes through

the whatever. So when that person has a dent and their quarter panel, all they have to do is walk up to the valet and ask if they could get the footage and they're going to have your license on there and then you're going to get a letter and a summons or whatever, then that number would go from eight down to like three. But there'd still be that one percentage. just like, fuck it. Like, I'm going home.

You know what I mean? So by the way, if I get a, if I get a letter in the mail. That's 1%. Maybe bigger. No, no. I'm saying it's about three. Okay. Three out of the three.

It used, three or four out of the ten. Oh, yeah. Or going home. Yeah. And going, you get a letter. Good luck getting money out of me. Like, I don't care if I get a letter or not. That's what's going on.

Now, but the default setting is like eight out of the ten. or like looking around. Did anyone see? Oh, there's one guy over there. I'm going to go leave a six-digit phone number on this guy's windshield. So the guy over there can see me making this note out that looks like I'm doing the right thing. The default setting is about seven or eight out of ten. Look around and take off.

Now, it is then our job. If that's kind of our default setting. now it becomes the job of coaches, parents, clergy, cops, whomever, society, to curate, to sort of mold these individuals into that not being their default setting. And we used to do a pretty good job of that. How do we do that? What are we not doing now other than families being a fucking fast? Well, families are apart. Yeah.

That's what dads do. Dads are bad, remember, and they're not only bad, they're unnecessary. Right, right. So they're unnecessary, and if they're there, they're bad. So that's a bad idea. Number one, number two, you've heard me joking about it for, you know, two decades. I can't judge. Not judging leads to a lot of problems.

There should be society is basically a group of people who judge. That's what society does judge. That's the way it worked. We need more guilt. Oh, yeah. We've decided guilt was bad, judgment is bad, dads are bad, discipline is bad, critiquing is bad, coaching is bad. All these things are bad.

And that's going to lead to a basic unraveling of society because that stuff is only in place because somebody is out, you know, we've done a thing, we've done a thing, we've done we've done the worst math in the world. And the worst math in the world is, hey, what's going on? A lot of these black kids are being disproportionately sent home. They're being expelled from schools. Oh, what's going on? There's for every, you know, there's two black kids for every one white kid being expelled from school.

How's it work with the Asians? Don't worry about them. Okay, so, okay, so how do we fix this? Maybe we should go talk to the family of the black kid and find out why the kid's acting out, see if we can get them some help. Okay, hey, racist, out of the meeting. Okay, anyone else have any ideas? Everyone puts their hand down. Then someone goes, I got an idea.

Why don't we just raise a threshold for expulsion? So we won't get as many people expelled, not because as many people are acting out, but you're going to have. stab someone to get expelled? Keep following the logic. Just get rid of expulsions. Or get rid of expulsions. Then let's get rid of schools. We're not going to have...

No schools. Get rid of expulsions. No one will get expelled. Yeah. We'll have zero. Who would like zero young black boys expels to go? Everyone's raised your hands?

Okay, good. Get rid of expulsion. There you go. All right. Next round. Should we talk about the lunch problem or what are we talking about? So that's what we've done. It's not a good plan.

It doesn't... Now, it's good for this semester. It is good for this semester. It's never good. But what I'm saying is, Drew. It's good if you'd like to check the books on this semester. Right. This semester is what happened.

Zero expulsions. Oh, I thought we had a high rate of black and Hispanic. You got federal funds now. We had zero. We had zero. This semester, zero. Now, we'll get back to you in six years and see how it's working out. I don't think it's going to be good.

But for just this semester, like if I said, hey man, I want to sell this company and I want to have the best quarter Corolla Digital has ever had. Okay, so for this quarter, no payment to any employees and no payment of bandwidth. No, don't pay the taxes. And don't pay the mortgage on the bill. Don't even pay the electoral bill. We can float. They're not going to cut it off for this quarter.

So let's just not pay any of the vendors, anybody. The sales guys are out selling. Don't pay. Electricity. No, no. Don't pay any of it. We'll have the highest margin profit. margin quarter ever, and then those guys over Wall Street can crunch those numbers, and we're

going to look great. And it's like, yeah, but this isn't good if you're planning on moving ahead as a business. And that's our problem. The idea of, hey, these kids are getting expelled, so let's just raise a threshold for expulsion. It's the same as, hey, hey, we have. have a 2% are doing reading and math at grade level. We'll make the test easier. That is good for this semester.

It's not good for this semester and beyond. It's just kind of good for this semester. You're not supposed to be thinking about just this semester. Yes? Yes, and I would argue I'm not sure that it is good for that. Quince, you know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing. on repeat, those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy. And that's what Quince does best. Quince focuses on high-quality wardrobe staples made with premium materials like 100% Mongolian

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Line three. It's talked to James, 35. Sacktown. Maybe what's going on? Well, good evening, guys, and it's very, very much of my pleasure to talk to you both. I had a question about DHEA and what the benefits and detriments were for it, as well as the correlation to steroids. Well, that's DHEADeroepiandestine or endione. It's a precursor of testosterone, and it will push testosterone productions sometimes. It's a good supplement.

It does not go, it will not drive you to extra physiological levels like anabolic steroid would. It's not that kind of a supplement. It seems to be pretty healthy. I mean, obviously you're a 35-year-old male. You shouldn't need supplements. Your testosterone level should be perfectly high at your level. Driving it up further, maybe associated with high blood pressure, maybe associated with certain kinds of vascular injuries and vascular disease, heart disease, perhaps. the jury's out on prostate cancer, whether it has any significance there.

So it's messing around a little bit, but generally it's a pretty good supplement. And for some people, it actually will move the dial a little bit on their serum testosterone, the free testosterone. So would you recommend it to anybody in particular? You know, you're putting me in a job of prescribing here. It's over the counter. It's available. You can take it on your own. Obviously, if we're detrimental, you'd see lawsuits or, you know, press on that.

No, there's not. So it's obviously pretty safe. That's a personal decision. What about guys like us, men of a certain age? I've taken it. Yeah. Yep. How was it?

Good. It's helpful. It was helpful. Why did you stop taking it? I started getting worried about reactivation of my prostate cancer. Mm-hmm. And that's a bigger concern than causing prostate cancer. Uh-huh.

Oh. So I may have a cell sitting around somewhere that's quiet and hidden. Sleep or cell? Sleep or cell? In your anus. You stimulate it with a testosterone, maybe you can start going again. Where do you get D-H-E-A?

Any health withdrawal anywhere. Should I take it? You guys are asking me as sort of prescribing advice, and I feel uncomfortable with that. You could? I don't know that you need it. It could have some detriment. I don't know.

But you're saying it's effective? Let me put it this way. If I didn't have any concern about prostate, of cancer, I probably would take it. Okay. Matt, write that down. We're going to order a little... The question of how much is also not that well understood, so...

Mm-hmm. All right. Let's talk to... Well, I certainly appreciate it. All right, James. Good luck. Thanks, James. Thank you.

You want to talk to Dave who has migraine? Sure. Let's talk to Dave. Dave. What's going on? Get it on, guys. It's going on, man. Get me through my eight-hour workday every week, so I, so I

every day, so I appreciate that. Dr. Drew, I've had migraine since I was 13. I've been taking max salt since probably 15 or 16, 10 milligrams. It still works, but this time of the year and in the fall, I'll get them sometimes four to six times a week when the weather's changing out here. And there's times where I can go where I'll get maybe one a month, and then all of a sudden I'll get a ton. And it usually has to do with weather change is what I've got it down to.

I've also done food charts. The only thing that I can find triggers are like alcohol triggers them, so I don't drink at all. But literally if I have like a beer the next day of a migraine. Do you have family history of migraine? My mother had them, yeah. Okay. Do you have any other medical problems?

None. I don't take anything other than max salt. And does the max salt abort the headaches or not? It does. It works pretty. pretty well. I mean, it works probably 90% of the time to get rid of them, but I don't know. I feel like there's times like this week I've had three of them. So I've taken four max salts because one of them, you know, if they don't work, they say to take them two hours later. So I've taken

four this week. And I just wonder eventually if that's going to catch up. No, no. Maxalt. That's very safe. It's a anti-migrant medicine. It's very safe. But I'm wondering why they don't put you on something prophylactic. They tried to put me on like a tent, something for like tension headaches. back in high school that I took something every day and it didn't do anything and now they just say well it works so stick with it was that a beta blocker back then? No they can't put me on a beta blocker because I

run a lot I exercise a lot How about a calcium blocker? Calcium channel blockers has that ever been discussed? That's never been discussed. And how about some channel blocker? Yeah, how about something called Topamax? I've had Topamax and that did not Is that the anti-smoking thing?

No, it's an seizure medicine that in low-dose can be pretty good. What's the anti-smoking thing that makes me think of topamax? Oh, the... Not chantics. Yeah, Chantix, yeah. Topimax. Well, well, butrin has got... Ziban is the...

Yeah, he'll... Gary will look up topamax. It has anything to do with smoking. All right, interesting. I'm thinking of Topal. Topral? Gary will find it. I'll end up being sort of right.

So, Dave, it sounds like you're... You're getting... and that you're all in this. No, no, you're always right. Topamax users review for smoking cessation. So, yeah, for some people, they are using that. It must have been a thing for a while. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Doctor. So, in any event, it sounds like you're getting great care, and so that's good, and it is kind of working. The only other thing that you can get into sort of different territory with is sort of bodily-based treatments of various type, you know, sort of physical. There are people that are sort of... What's going on? on with migraines. Do we understand them? Not really. We think they're just sort of hereditary.

I did get, you know what, I did go to, I did see chiropractic, you know, a lot of chiropractic care for a while, and that helped a bit, but I would have to go three times. Yeah, I'm not even in chiropractic care. There are people that do these sort of touch-based anti-sert of anxiety, sort of, when there's a, if you're one of these people that stores a lot of tension in your body, can't regulate it. And some migrant surfers are this way. There are people that. specialized. I forget what they call it. It's a special sort of touch therapy for, you know, getting you through these sorts of extreme bodily-based painful experiences. Shoot, I can't think of the name of it. Drew will get it for you. Yeah. All right, but let's, Dave,

you're on top of it. Yeah, you're doing really good with it. And you're doing good with it. And I, you know, I don't know, I don't know that anyone knows. I just know there's some people who get migraines and many people don't. And for those who do, they just do. They're a constellation of problems. Some people think it's something to do with blood supply, certain parts of the brain. Some people think it's something to do with serenergic release.

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You live in, hold on a second. You live in Orange, California? Yeah. You should be a Browns fan. The helmets are orange And it's kind of cool Like where are you from orange Who are you in at Browns?

Oh my God Oh You're orange and browns I don't know It doesn't mean it might be fun It's a tough franchise to root for But I'd just say if I was for orange I'd just like to work that in

You know just like I I used to say if I was in the black caucus I'd call it the big black caucus And I might say the big swing of black caucus You know what I mean Just to see how people reacted You know what I mean? It's at a meeting

Who is it with? The big, big, big swing black caucus. Why? Why are you making that face? Going back to orange, big browns fan. Okay. That's pretty funny. I like that.

Thank you, yeah. And everyone say black caucus, put in big black caucus. And if you want to put in swinging, you can do that. That'll be a lot of it. I'll try and do that with, you know, church or something, you know, make sure. Please talk about the. the good folks and the big swinging black caucus. Go ahead, Eddie.

Okay, so anyway, so I've got a 14-year-old boy. I'm very smart, and I think, you know, well, let me back up a bit. I think I have ADD. I think I had it back in the day when I was younger. You know, I have somewhat of a tough time, you know, focusing on certain things unless I'm actually doing other stuff at the same time. It helps me with the different jobs that I do. But his mom, so previous marriage, his mom has been kind of concerned about the fact that, you know, his grades are kind of slacking.

And I always want to say, well, Adam says that I shouldn't really care about the grades, you know, but that doesn't fly. That would go right. Even my wife's going to pissed at that. But my thing is this. Okay, so he is a smart kid. And, you know, I've come to realize that, you know, it's, I'm not. I'm not quick to jump on the, hey, he's got ADD, let's start drugging him up thing. I want to go ahead and, you know, try and get him more organized.

And so he can actually go ahead and, you know, cross his teeth and dot his eyes, you know, properly. But she, you know, took him on her own to go get him diagnosed. And the person that she took him to says, yeah, you know, I think he's got ADD. What kind of person did they see and how do they diagnose it? she didn't tell me that's the thing so that's what i'm that's what i'm trying to find out so i'm very skeptical just because of the fact that i think um you know she took him to a friend of a friend who is supposedly in the medical field and so on and so forth so i want to get ahead of it and actually take him uh you know to someone on my own now i i've got Kaiser and but i don't know

you know what i should be asking for you know a pediatrician or or what you should be a child child psychiatrist. Here's what I worry. Or somebody does neuropsych testing on children, formal testing. Yeah, Drew, we were talking about this phenomenon of sort of everything going the way of the dodo and the chick. And this thing.

So here's my problem. It started when my kids were born. It was, oh, looks like the boy needs a helmet. Yeah. And it's like, huh? It looks fine to me. Oh, oh, no. So that's my opinion.

But I'm an expert. I'm a doctor. So let's take them to the craniologist. They're the real experts. They'll weigh it. It looks to me like we got a problem, but I'm just a general physician or whatever. But to my semi-trained eye, it looks like we got a problem. But you know what?

I'm not an expert. I'll send you to the expert. Then you go to the expert. Is there a problem with the six-month-old boy? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Well, what's the problem? Well, I am the cranial expert.

and he's going to have a corrective helmet. Really? What if he doesn't have? Well, if he doesn't have the corrective helmet, his glasses might not sit on him. Like, it literally could sit sign. You know what your glasses look like after someone punches a guy in the face?

Like that. Like if someone just back. It would be impossible to adjust them. Picture Woody Allen, right? And picture Hulk Hogan backhanding Woody Allen and what his glasses would look like. That's what your glasses. That's what your son's glasses are going to look like.

Now, now there's two human beings in the room. One has a vagina. The other has a penis. The guy with the penis is thinking, wait a minute. When did this start? I haven't heard about this. How come no one I went to junior high with or grade school with or anybody ever had a corrective helmet? There's never any stories about, well, I had the corrective helmet for a while and then got rid of that.

But still, how come I ever went to play to kid's house where I saw the corrective helmet like up on the bookshelf with the date written on it or anything? How come this didn't exist? How come this didn't exist? And the answer, so now the guy at the dick is thinking, did we change physiologically that much in the last few years that this would require helmets? And I go, no, no, everyone's scared, everyone's freaked out, and everyone's got insurance, and everyone's ready to cut a check.

And then the human being with the vagina is thinking, oh, my God, what can we do? I can't get my checkbook out fast enough. How do we get that helmet fitted for this kid who may be a monster? Turns out never wore the helmet. Never wore the helmet. And Sonny's completely and utterly 100% fine. So this person, you can go either stupid or liar.

Either they were 100% off and their ability to do their job or what I hope for for them, which is they're simply lying to gouge the. insurance company and worried families so that they can have more business. No. There's also an attorney part of this as well. It's all bad. And I want to say there's a little bit of a we in medicine, I've been thinking about this. I think I mentioned to you once gently, but that we fall victim almost to being cult-like

in our sensibilities. You know, once we decide that something stands up to scientific scrutiny, the leaders, you know, the community say this is how it is, we just fall in line and that's how it is. and the attorneys then get wind of it and they codify it. If you don't do it, you're going to get sued. And so it's a weird, cultish quality we have about certain things

that we just don't think about. We just follow mindlessly through. So I wouldn't say they're bad or they're just doing what they're trained to do. It's a weird thing. That's how we have the opiate thing because the whole group people were improperly trained and now we're trying to retrain them.

And it's just horrible. Well, I'd like your training to be a little better than to look at a perfectly normal kid. Listen, I don't disagree with you. His glasses weren't going to sit right on his head. But somebody made a reputation by staking their reputation on, this is going to help all kids and make them better. And then it turns out it's a horrible thing.

And that's where the cult comes in. We follow the leaders to slavits. Well, now we have this thing where it's like everything's on the spectrum and maybe there's a little ADD in there, and we should go out and fix the little bit ADD. A little bit ADD, they do. like it's a little bit of a cavity. Like you don't let a little bit of a cavity go on a 14-year-old.

You get out in front of it and you fix it. They treat ADD like it's something. I don't know. Well, that literature is actually pretty strong. How dare you question my. No, but are there better ways to do it and there are. And if it's a little bit. Lamosity.

Well, but let me support you your lamosity and just say that if you had a little bit of ADD, I'd rather see kids come up with their own ways of managing. That's right. their own ways of managing it. I would much rather see this kid into... And by the way, Eddie mentioned his strategy, which he does multiple things simultaneously, which probably is how he succeeds in the world. Yes.

Eddie, I actually... Now, can you guys hear me? Okay. Yeah, Adam, stop talking. Yeah, no, that's exactly the thing. I mean, I have come to realize, you know, where I fall short on certain things. and how to remedy them. And, you know, my immediate answer was, well, you know, hell, I'm 48 years old.

I know that I might have a tough time focusing on stuff. But, hey, I think I've done all right with my life. And my biggest fear is, you know, look, he's 14. He's very much in the football, and he sure as hell knows how to focus on that, you know, and his, and, you know, knowing his route. Vinny Tortor tonight has had this conversation last night. I'm on his podcast where he had severe ADD as a kid and football saved him. for the very much the way that he's describing.

Yeah. Yes. Look, you're talking to Grandpa, Adam here, but look, if you can focus on those routes and you can find the focus, so many people are so great at things they're interested in and then so bad at things they're not interested in. And the idea that, well, he's not good at this and he's good at that. No, he's interested in this. And thus, he is good at it because he's interested in it. When we were a kid, they just called kids hyperactive. That kid's hyperactive.

And what they really meant was sort of charged up in some way emotionally. Like it wasn't like something happened. Well, what's going on at home? And why is he so aggressive? Also, 14-year-old boys aren't meant to sit on a chair with a desk welded to it and sit there calmly for an hour at a time studying pictures. Unless you're a old Elizabeth. Unless you're wired like Dr. Hey, let me just quickly.

Before you go to LifeLock, I'm looking diligently up. I can't figure out them. There's so many different these touch therapies. You want to look for the one that there's one called a Traeger approach, but that's not what I'm talking about. It's these integrated. They're kind of holistic, but their people are really actually trained in mental health and bodily-based therapies for helping people sort of release some of the, I don't know, sound too goofy. Some of the biological consequences of having emotional experiences stored in your body, let's say. Look, you and I aren't into the storing of the toxins, but this stuff, I'm completely fine with.

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