The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Defending Lance Armstrong (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)
Episode Date: November 18, 2024Adam and Drew discuss the Lance Armstrong controversy and take calls on chronic over-eating and abuse by step parents....
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Yeah, get it on. Get it on. Must get it on. No choice but to get it on. Mandate, get it
on. Good day, Dr. Drew.
Good day. I must get it on.
You know what's really funny, Drew, is the last time we were together, you were showing
me your jacket. Yes I
noticed that. What I'm saying is you can't see what I'm noticing. I
love this Patagonia down jacket. I loved it. Yes and you were saying, I mean, Drew
Stopman did ten minutes on his jacket, which he never does. And then later on that day when I got home, I found
this jacket, which is the same jacket except for it says Jimmy Kimmel Live or Year 10 or
whatever Jimmy Kimmel on it. And I just realized, oh, this is good. This is how life is supposed
to work. Someone is supposed to gush about something for 10 minutes and then you're supposed
to go home and supposed to be sitting in your kitchen.
And next time, talk about one of the Victoria's Secret models
if you could.
But.
There's the comedy out though.
I did a podcast with your buddy Ray.
We had a really interesting, it was on the Dr. Do podcast,
which by the way, thanks for supporting that show.
It's doing pretty well, just getting going.
And I was wearing it there and I gushed again,
and he went, I may have been off the air,
I'm not sure it was on the podcast,
he goes, yeah, that thing's gotta be at least 300 bucks.
I'm like, huh?
Suddenly, I didn't like it so much.
I thought it was an $80 windbreaker basically.
He's like, no, it's 350 if it's a penny.
I don't think it's that much,
but it's a lot better than the you know, it's funny
One of the one of the markers I've always said this
Remind me to Mike Lynch to add this to my list of the have and have nots. I've done the
Tough skins versus Levi's. Yeah. Yeah
Schwinn versus Huffy. Mm-hmm down versus Dacron
versus Huffy, down versus Dacron.
When I was in junior high, the parka became very popular. For some reason, skiing became very popular.
Lots of kids with their ski lifts,
still on, most obnoxious kid I wanted to punch,
there's two kids I wanted to punch.
The wintertime kid I wanted to punch
was a guy who was walking with his lift pass at
school three weeks after his trip to Mammoth, still hanging off the parka because of course
that's something that the Corollas would have never done.
And then there was the other guy that had the...
Surprised to know what it was.
That was the wintertime, I hate this guy.
And then the summertime, I hate this guy, was the Hawaii 79 shirt.
He's wearing the shirt, it would say Hawaii and then the date.
No, it had that restaurant, that one restaurant in.
No, it just said Hawaii 79.
You know, you can find those shirts
and there was the ski mama shirts.
I wanted to punch all those people
because I understood enough to know I should feel bad,
but I didn't know even what it was.
Like how is it you go to Hawaii?
How does this work?
You have to go.
You have to get to the airport
Together plane you get on a plane together. That must have weird. How do you get family goes together?
How do you get to tickets to get on the airplane?
Find your sister. Do you have to go to the airport to get the tickets?
Would you sister and then how do you get to hotel in Hawaii if you're not in Hawaii?
Does somebody call Hawaii
like
We didn't have credit cards. Oh no one my family had a credit card Did somebody call Hawaii?
We didn't have credit cards.
No one in my family had a credit card, so I didn't know how any of that stuff worked.
So slow down.
You mean your childhood was shitty?
Is that right?
A little bit.
Yeah.
So I had a parka, but it had Dacron in it.
Hold on.
I got to refine that winter guy, because there was a couple of details in that winter guy
that drove me insane.
Do you remember when the mirrored sunglasses came out?
Yes.
And the guy with the white...
Yes.
Please, Chris, get me a picture of this.
They had white...
Getting ski magazine from the 70s, and on the cover would be a guy standing on a lip
with these white glasses, mirrored lens, a small frame, like kind of small.
No, not that small.
Not that small?
All right, we'll see it.
They seemed not so big back then,
but now they're gonna seem big.
And they had them in blue and like red too.
Yes.
But they were like solid plastic frames.
Yeah, and the guy had the zinc oxide going on the nose.
And there was something about that lifestyle.
Oh yeah, once skiing.
John Claude Keighley.
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, there was a movie called Downhill Skiing that Robert Redford starred in in probably
the early mid-70s that was a big deal.
And then there was Spider Savage.
Spider Savage.
Who was a downhill skier.
I was going to say Spider.
I remember the name Spider.
Who was shot by Claudine Laggaine or something.
It was a very exotic, very exotic time.
In Switzerland.
Yeah, very exotic killings back there now
It's just a bunch of fucking nut job
Post menopausal moms like drowning their kids in the tub because they found Jesus Christ back then we have real killings
but
There's there's a there's a scheme magazine
That's the boy get me the white one though same last with the one I say blue said blue
You got all right the white ones ones drove me crazy
But I'm sorry a white drive drone white drove me nuts, too
But look we don't need to see the fucking picture the guy in the white glass at the point is this
The the I had the parka everyone had a parka and it was a cool thing this parka
But parkas with real goose down in them were 80 bucks and then there was the JC penny parka
which had the dacron in there like that weird sort of fiber and they didn't puff up and they
didn't sit down and they just kind of were stiff and they were brown and they were ugly
and there was a whole bunch of shitty knockoffs. It was weird, it was sort of like simulated wood.
And here's what I'm saying.
Now you can get an engineered hardwood floor
that's not hardwood.
It's a photograph of hardwood that's been veneered
onto some structurally engineered whatever,
and it looks every bit as good,
but it's more durable and blah blah blah
Back then fake wood was the steering wheel of a Mustang too, and it looked like fake wood
Peeled off it turned orange where your hands were like you would literally
There was no wider trash move than the grain of the fake wood worn off where your hands had been gripping the wheels.
So it's just orange spirals,
like these weird patch of just solid orange.
People knew what you were talking about
because it's so vivid, it's so true.
So there was no fake wood back then,
or there was fake wood, but it looked like fake wood.
And fake down looked like fake down,
and fake leather looked like fake leather leather and all that was fake looked fake
now
You can get a Gucci handbag that looks like a Gucci handbag, but this one's made in China
You can get a Rolex that looks like a rock
Back it may not feel like a Rolex it may not work like a Rolex
But we have stuff now that's pretty cheap that looks pretty damn good.
Back then, when it was cheap, it sucked.
You would never have a conversation about, should we go with the authentic real stuff
just to be authentic or go with something that's more durable and...
Well, my parents would just go with the cheapest stuff.
Then it was just, but you would just go with the cheapest and it would be shit.
You just knew you were getting shit.
Yeah.
They had knockoff everything knew you were getting shit. Yeah, and they had knockoff everything
and they were just shit.
They had a, the most pathetic, I know I've said it before,
but it's the saddest one I've ever seen.
There was a shoe, it was called the Earth shoe.
Because, hey man, now listen to me man.
No, no, listen, listen.
Picture. Listen, listen.
Does your back ever hurt?
Does your back ever hurt?
Yeah, it does a little bit.
A little bit?
Well, it's getting more stiff.
Okay, a little stiff.
Yeah.
Okay, you wanna know why?
I'll tell you why.
My feet hurt sometimes too.
Oh, your feet?
I don't like standing for like my back hurts.
Let me tell you what's going on.
You're wearing heels, right man?
There's a heel on my shoe.
Yeah, I think there's a heel.
Yeah, it's a heel.
Yeah, that puts your heel up.
That puts you up on the ball of your foot, right?
You ever stand in sand?
Sure. You ever go stand in wet sand? Yes. Where's your heel higher than the ball of your foot or lower? Lower. Lower. It sinks in.
Okay, man. That's how you're supposed to... does your back hurt ever? And when I'm standing in the sand? No.
No, it feels pretty good when you're in the sand. It feels good. I'm looking at the ocean.
Imagine if you just walked in the sand, no No, it's pretty good. Look at the ocean. Imagine if you just walked in the sand all
Do you understand man? You're you were not meant to walk
With a we were meant to walk barefoot in sand
Oh, you understand it would be lower lower time than the front man
So on the plains of the savanna the hard earth there would have been soft back then. Back then yeah.
Yeah back then okay. Yeah or the snow. The snow we would have walked in the snow. Right. Okay. It would have been cold.
But okay, you know what I'm saying. I get the principle. We did a lot of sand walking back then. Yeah of course. So just dig this.
I dig it. Okay. Well imagine if you put on stiletto heels and walked around all day, what would your back feel like?
No one would do that. That's ridiculous.
What's the opposite of stiletto heels?
The stiletto soles?
Putting the ball up higher than the heel.
That's genius.
Does your back ever hurt when you're standing and standing?
You know what? I think the man set that heel piece up.
Well yeah, because he makes, there's big heel.
He makes big duck, mabuck up that big heel. Big heel. Oh yeah, there's big he makes there's big heel he makes big duck but
my buck up that big heel big heel oh yeah there's big oil there's big Pharma
big Gila there's big Gila so I've invented a shoe dude called the earth
it's called the earth shoe there's better pictures yeah get more ones you're
not showing us the right right where it would look kind of like clogs just
original earth shit yeah all right This puts your heel lower
Now originally I was working on a shoe work. I actually dug a hole and I realized that's too impractical
That's too impractical. Ah, this is the earthship. There it is. Right there. It's basically
Oh
Cuz any dude is trying to get laid knows that the vegan male nurse look is no direct line to pussy It looks like an orthopedic shoe like if you had fucked. Thank you for shitting on my joke
You're good job with the no-no in the middle. I beg your pardon the no-no
I'll never know no again. I love the joke. You're right. No, no, right? Oh of the joke, you get the no-no. You're right. Oh, never again.
Well, until next time I do it.
Anybody who's trying to get laid knows that the vegan, no, no!
Don't encourage him!
He's not encouraging me!
They're laughing their ass off through there!
They know I'm right.
That's why.
All right.
This is a vegan nursing clown
Or with bad arches
Shoe right nothing less attractive. Yes, there's nothing, you know
No, but but but seriously like here's
Okay Please okay sucked so bad, but dude, your back doesn't hurt.
So I'm back so much better now because my toes are up in the air.
JC Penney, so everyone got earth shoes. All the assholes got earth shoes. All the guys who looked like Richard Dreyfus from Jaws got earth shoes.
Okay, because they had the word earth right in there. It's how God wanted you to stand.
Like you're on the beach man so
because we all do a lot of sand walking we were meant as sand dwellers originally
we came from the ocean man you're right first thing we contacted we did just
jumped over the sand and went to the mountains now we skipped those rocky
beaches we wouldn't know we would land there we'd land on the sandy beaches
yeah we came yeah oh. Oh god. Yeah
Oh, it works with your body man. It's the earth shoe. So the saddest thing I've ever seen is
JC Penney had to come up with a knockoff, you know Some cheap chinese knockoff of the earth shoe because earth shoe was 45 bucks and these were 18 bucks and they were called gas
G-a-s-s 18 bucks and they were called gas GSS and I knew one of the other pathetic poor kids in my school
and the thing about the knockoff stuff knockoff stuff was worse than no stuff which is you getting
caught trying oh you look bad you know what i mean like i i argue that sort of fake jewelry is worse
than wearing the fake rolex turns a chick off faster than no Rolex, because you look desperate.
This guy had the gas shoe, but it was cheap.
And right behind the ball of your toe, if you just picture you stepping, you see the
shoe?
Yeah, but you've got to show me the gas knockoff earth shoe now.
You're showing a more modern. No, that's a high heel, low front.
Yeah, the heels were never that high.
Got to find that one. The point is this, right behind the ball of the guy's foot,
the heel just snapped. Like the big chunk, because it wasn't rubber, it was more plastic.
It snapped, but it still was held together by the leather or the vinyl at the bottom of
so when he walked it was like a longer a hint of
we're going
uh...
book it's a good
let's see the seventies
let's be new to the other since i want to get back
let's do it
class-action lawsuit against a decade.
Someone's gotta pay.
Right?
Somebody's gotta pay.
What I understand is how come you and I seem to be the only people that focus in on just
how effed up it was?
People kind of gloss over it and laugh about the gremlins and the pacers.
That was a tiny symptom of a global problem. You'll be glad to know that the singer and composer of Chevy Van, Johns?
What the hell was his name?
That's the pedophile song?
One of the pedophile songs.
That's a little bit of gas, but not quite...
There they are. That's them. Yeah, gas, but not quite... There they are.
That's them.
Yeah, that's men's gas-weighed shoes.
Yeah, but those aren't the gas earth shoes.
Right, there's a gas earth shoe.
There's a gas earth shoe.
If you see a heel, you know you're not looking at the right shoe.
You're going the wrong...
The shoe's got to be leaning backwards.
You don't believe what we're saying.
The heel is like this.
It's shaped like this.
It's not like this.
It's like this. All right, that's a horrible pot all right just horrible pod so okay horrible pod back to the song that if you if they if
your heel is higher than your ball you ain't you ain't earth in it brother that's what
I'm saying look uh Drew yeah remember when there was this big fucking fad and in the later mid 90s late 90s Sammy Johns his name
All of the fucking shoes had that duck bill front to them and I said the dress shoes
Oh, yeah, I used to complain. They see shoes look like shit
Yeah, and I couldn't find shoes that didn't have that big duck bill and everyone kept saying they look good to me
And I was like, no, they don't they look like shit and event now They're all pointy you notice they're all pointy now
One of the many things I've been complaining about
Wait before its time I could not find dress shoes suit shoes that didn't have that fucking clunk first off
What do clown shoes look like they have the big fucking bill in the front and that was what was popular like the late
Fucking bill in the front and that was what was popular like the late 90s mid 90s
Could not literally find I remember I was doing like Craig Ferguson show no Craig Kilbourne show
And I literally went to Melrose to find a pair of brown suit shoes and could not I went to three different places Couldn't find a pair that had a point in the front there were all the big duck nose. All right, Sammy Jones
Yes, they made love in his Chevy van and then he dumped her in the front. There were all the big duck nose. All right, Sammy Johns, yes, they made love in his Chevy van
and then he dumped her in the center of town.
Then he drove off without shoes at 14.
Anyway, turned her into a woman.
She's gonna be missed.
He'll be missed as well.
What happened?
He died?
Yes, he passed away.
Just recently?
Yeah, syphilis.
Oh, nice.
No, I don't know what happened to him, but he passed.
All right, so Drew, let me ask you this.
Flu shot. Yeah. Everyone's gonna get one, but he passed. All right, so Drew, let me ask you this look flu shot
Yeah, everyone's gonna get one right? Yeah, should you get one? Yes. Why?
Who should get one? Look there the flu the
First of all, there's a giant lesson. Don't believe everything on TV
Really listen carefully there. They are trying to attract eyeballs
So at any time that they can make a frenzy about something, listen to actually what they're really what they
say. They are not saying this is the worst flu season on record. They are not saying
this is going to be horrible this year necessarily. They're saying what was reported was, oh my
goodness, we went from 30 states to 45 rather rapidly. That could mean trouble. That could
mean we're going to get a rapid spread. but for now, everyone get your flu vaccine.
That's the story.
That became, people are dying everywhere.
People always die of the flu.
Okay, old people, flu vaccine for sure.
Healthcare workers, flu vaccine for sure.
I'm with the opinion, everybody flu vaccine.
Now, if people don't want to, that's up to them.
It offers somewhere between 60 and 90% protection,
and this year it's a good fit
with what the virus actually is.
And I love these people that get on to it.
Some years it's not.
Yeah, the people spend their,
these brilliant scientists spend their whole year
mapping out the genome, the genetic structure
that's likely to be in the upcoming year's virus outbreak
and how they're gonna evolve across the epidemic.
Deep science, and people are like, oh no man, they just take people with the flu
and they take some blood out and they put it in a Petri dish and
these are other people's disgusting flu virus. Now, they take a protein,
they build a protein that looks like the flu virus or is a part of the flu virus
so when your body sees that protein, protein, same stuff you put
in your peanut butter, protein, same protein, so when your immune system, I'm not saying
the same as peanut, I'm saying just proteins are the same, so your immune system will build
a memory so should it see that protein again when it's exposed in the form of a flu virus
getting into the eye when you wipe your eye or up your nose when somebody sneezes at you,
it will mount a response so there will be no
infection so there's no reason not to get the vaccine right well maybe I'll
maybe I'll get one this year yeah I'll give it to you I never get I got a
couple there's a shortage guy I never wash my hands I pick my nose all the time
you have a problem I mean sometimes they have a problem all right as long as I'm
affecting other motorists the car at at night sometimes. That was really...
I'm just saying I never get the flu, so now I don't want to get the flu shot.
You don't have to.
And you seem to, you know, you don't get stuff.
You still might.
Yeah.
And even though it's a good fit, again, there's debate about how much protection you get,
but man, I'll take it every year.
Plus, there's some evidence there might be some other antivir...
Other viruses that kind of react similarly in the protein
spectrum might protect against that too, so why not? I know there's a why not feel
but I feel like, I don't know, I feel the same way I have a certain, I don't know,
it's like why not buy a lottery ticket and I know that sounds like a horrible
analogy but what I'm saying is is I feel like I am better.
I don't want certain things.
I don't want to will my way to not getting the flu.
You can't do that, but the sewer rat model is for real.
Been at it my whole life.
Yeah, that's for real.
And the question is, what's the risk reward?
I mean, can you afford to be down with the flu right now,
so maybe you mount some immune for the next few years?
I can't.
Plus, as you get older, it gets more significant,
it's more serious, so it's a debatable point.
I think I got the flu about nine years ago.
Oh, I remember that.
Yeah, it was horrible.
Yeah, you were in bed and couldn't get up.
The worst part about the whole thing is
when then you don't go into work, I was working at Jimmy Kimmel at the time, and then you run into that ass wipe.
There's always these ass wipes at the office.
And they're like, yeah, yeah, no, I had the same thing.
I hate the same thing.
I hate this guy.
I hate the same thing guy.
You get two beats in your flu story.
Oh man, I was knocked out. I was in bed. I. You get two beats in your flu story.
Oh man, I was knocked out.
I was in bed, I couldn't get out of bed.
I was dizzy, I was hot, I was cold,
that projectile vomiting, diarrhea.
Yeah, yeah, I had the same thing, same thing.
I came in though, because you're a hero.
Like I hate that fucking guy.
And then I have to's basically what he's saying
Is is I'm better than you. I'm stronger than you and you're weaker than I because we had the same thing I
Still chose to come into work and my thing is like you don't get it. I couldn't walk
I couldn't stand up. I was I remember being upstairs in my bedroom think not being able to get to the kitchen Yeah, I couldn't get up. I was, I remember being upstairs in my bedroom, think not being able to get to the kitchen.
Yeah. I couldn't get a can of soup open. Right. And there's nothing I could do. And I got the, yeah, yeah, same thing. Same thing.
It's like, not same thing, because you couldn't have driven yourself to work if you had the same thing. And how dare you?
I'm twice the man you are. How dare you give me the same thing. Well, sure, you are tough. And you're not like that. That's a big deal.
And, and I, and, you know, on the corral, on the heels of that guy me the same thing. Well, sure, you are tough. And you're knocked down like that. That's a big deal. And on
the heels of that guy, the guy is going to go, no, man, you should take some calcium.
Do you take Emergent C? That knocks it right out.
Yeah. You knock it down.
You can't get up. You're septic.
I know. Yeah. No, you got to blast it with C.
Oh, my God.
High doses of C.
Hey, let me say, though, Tamiflu is really working this year.
Oh, it is.
Tamiflu, I've been giving it to people early early and it's been working like a son of a bitch.
So those of you who did not take the vaccine or took it and still get the flu, that Tamiflu
works early and fast.
Where do you get that stuff?
Your doctor.
All right.
Bruce.
Bruce.
Bruce from Seattle.
Yeah, how you doing Adam and Drew?
Long time listener, first time caller.
Good.
26 years of age, what's going on?
Well, I'm kind of a big deal.
I'm a big deal. I'm a big deal. I'm a big deal. from seattle they don't have a true long-time with their first time caller goods twenty six of a eight years of age what's going on
uh... well i'm kind of a big dude you know i i'm married uh... i i think i have
a bit of an addictive personality in part of it
is definitely uh... related to food
uh... i love to eat a trade a lot and and i also love to spend money and i'm
not i think they go hand-in-hand i've never really
you know i thought about getting treatment
until I started listening to some recent Dr. Drew shows
and I just wanted to know how we thought about that
and how we could weigh in on it.
You know, when buying and food go together,
it makes me think of a deep desire for nurturance
that was not met.
You know what I mean? Is that a conditioner? Nurturance, yeah. By Pantene. Pantene makes nurturance.
With silky balsam three. I think I've seen that Sarah Jessica Parker talking
about nurturance. Yeah. It's good stuff. Maybe you could make a mangria nurturance.
Thank you. So does that sort of make sense? Like you're busy sort of
feeding an emptiness both by buying yourself something and feeding
yourself something and then the big body sort of protects you from people so you
never actually get the nurturance that you so long for. Does
that sort of sound like a fit?
I've never really considered that. I suppose that's possible. I don't feel needy, but maybe
I just replace it.
I didn't say needy.
Well, hold on a second, Drew. Let me ask you this. I don't like to turn this toward myself.
Really? and talk? But I will for a second. Sure, really.
I will just, I'll just relate this to myself
and I'll tell you where I'm going
and I kind of see everyone going here, which is,
you take the, and this is the 1000th thing
I'd prognosticate and complained about, one of the things of,
why do we need all this water?
Why are we drinking so much water all of a sudden?
How come no one's getting any thinner?
How come we're getting fatter when they keep telling you
you have to drink 10 cups of water every day?
Why don't you just drink water when you're thirsty?
I used to work on a fucking roof in Canoga Park
in August all day and I'd take a sip off the hose at noon
and that would be it.
The whole fucking day I wasn't singing around carrying bottles of water around.
So you're tougher, you're better.
No, I'm saying it's bullshit.
It didn't exist for the first five million years.
Why does it exist in the last five minutes and then who's fucking selling this shit to
us?
But what I'm saying is this.
I used to get up, drink a cup of coffee, have a bowl of cereal, and I'd just go to work.
And I didn't have a coffee thermos,
and I didn't have a water bottle, and I wasn't...
I'm now walking around sipping off a water bottle all day,
having chewing gums, snacking on stuff all day.
I used to just eat lunch,
and then it'd be nothing until dinner.
I'd eat breakfast, it'd be nothing until lunch.
There'd be no sucking in the water.
Now, I feel like, I swear to God, now, like I get out of my car,
I start walking into the Home Depot,
shit, I forgot my water bottle, like I'm not going to make it into the air-conditioned Home Depot for 40 minutes
and back without a hit off this water.
Well, let me start over.
Gump, water, just stuff.
But by the way, the computer, the cell phone, let me
check my email, let me check the email, let me check the email. Yeah, but it feels like
it's part of the same thing, which is not there used to just be hours on end of no water,
no gum, no I need a snack, a taste. Oh, take a little mini packet of, of almonds with you
to eat along your walk. You'd just go for a fucking walk.
You'd walk your dog.
Now you're packing like a fucking sherpa,
like you're going to the summit of K2.
The point is, now I walk my dog, I'm packing.
All right, where's my water?
Where's my nuts?
Where's my bear spray?
Where's all my shit?
You know what I mean?
I didn't, you should go anything.
You had to go for a walk for eight miles.
I wouldn't have a fucking cup of water with me.
Yeah, it used to be tough.
Now you're a pussy.
Right, right.
That's what's going on.
But I feel like no one is going more than 10 feet without putting something in their
mouth.
Here I am in the middle of the day.
I'm drinking coffee.
I never drink coffee in the middle of the day.
Do you think that's just habit or is it a reflection of our aggression or something?
Because mouth is very aggressive at eating and consuming.
What do you think?
I think it's an element.
It's a whole bunch of elements coming together.
Because it's not just me.
I see it everywhere.
Everyone is eating or drinking or doing.
Or maybe just responding to the cues in the environment.
They're emailing.
Their earbuds are in. It's like anything but nothing.
Do you know what I'm saying?
It's a non-stop, I have my iPod hooked up to my car stereo, I have my water jug I carry
with me, I have my thing, a pemmican in my lap, I can eat my jerky and drink my filtered
water and listen to my 175,000 songs
like simultaneously while I'm texting somebody like,
that thing.
So several things, Kurt, one is that, you know,
if we were talking about a primate, a chimpanzee,
and it craves stimulation all the time,
we'd go, yeah, it probably feeds on itself.
You know, so we'd say that.
Yeah, that's what's going on.
Wouldn't make sense.
There's another piece of this as it pertains to fluids,
though it's called renal washout,
that your cortical concentrating system in your kidney is a gradient of concentration.
And if you push too much fluid through there, that gradient washes out a little bit so you
don't concentrate your urine quite the way you should.
And so you may be actually peeing out more, you've gotten a habit of flushing your, you
know, it's not just flushing your kidneys, you're actually changing the gradient in the kidneys so it doesn't concentrate normally.
It uses osmosis to concentrate urine.
And then maybe we're overdoing this to the point where now we have to keep drinking fluids
unless we stop and be thirsty for a week while the kidney reconfigures.
Well, all I know is a whole bunch of football practice in the San Fernando Valley two days
and a whole bunch of construction in the valley
With one hit off the hose or the drinking fountain and now I sit in an air-conditioned studio all day
But I'm sucking off a water bottle. Well, at least when you're playing football you had salt tablets
So how do we unring this bell, you know, how do we get this and and by the way
Here's how we unring it with more
of the same, because people go, we'll go on the master cleanse. That's more of the same, you know,
understand? That's more ritual. Yes, you're not eating pizza, but it's more ritual. You know what
I'm saying?
Absolutely. It's even worse, because it's sort of, you know, some sort of sense that I can't trust just eating.
I have to do these special rituals in order to be okay. And behind it all,
I mean, there's another sort of thing that occurs to me as you talk about these behaviors, is if you do nothing,
and this is a common thing these days, you're stuck with your emptiness.
So feelings of emptiness are common these days. And that's kind of what I was talking about with Bruce, is the emptiness that you're filling
the void with food and whatever.
To me, and Bruce, do you feel this way?
You just feel like you can't go 10 minutes without reaching for something?
Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty stimulated all the time. I'm a system administrator so I'm like always looking at 10 or 12 computer
screens and working like all day every day on tons of things.
This is avoiding feelings. Yeah, but you know, like I said, how do you
go from a 60 inch television back to a 24 inch television?
To me, you have to, this is going to sound boring and ridiculous, but I'm actually writing
a book about this.
You have to...
Well, now it sounds right.
Boring?
And ridiculous.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Because I wrote a book about it?
Because you're writing a book about it.
Oh, got it.
Mm-hmm.
Relationships are the road out.
You don't have to be doing nothing, but you have to be relating closely to other people.
That's actually what fills the void.
We are social animals, we are born in a social matrix,
we find the self in relation with others,
we learn to build an emotional landscape
by relating to others.
And I would challenge somebody like Bruce
to get involved with somebody different
than you normally would hang out with.
So you literally see yourself through a new pair of glasses
and then try to empathize and experience
that person's point of view.
You'll actually grow your capacity
to regulate your own emotions.
I know it, again, it takes a whole book
to lay out how this works.
But it does work.
I get back to what I... Does that make sense to you?
Yeah, it does.
He's married.
No, I'm just saying, another dude, just to hang out with somebody.
You want to start fucking some other dude?
You can fuck him.
I prefer you don't.
Oh, sorry.
Just blow some new dude?
Yeah.
Listen, I like he has a fat guy laugh.
Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. He's been naughty or nice. I like he has a fat guy laugh
So listen Bruce
I'm with you the friends the stuff that invigorates you that doesn't involve video games and
As I always say just walking and classical music just start moving
start moving, start moving. Physically get into a ritual.
Drew, you know yourself, how shitty you feel
if you don't exercise for three days in a row.
I mean, you literally start beating yourself up.
And it's not even a physical thing.
It's just you know you haven't worked out
and you start beating yourself up.
I've got to exercise bulimia to be fair.
Yeah, but imagine that.
It's really such a big part of your psychological equilibrium.
It keeps you so much more balanced than you'll ever know.
Oh, but there's this funny thing though, Adam, is there's sort of two kinds of people in
the world, people that enjoy and like working out and people that just don't.
And I feel sad for people that hate it. They just don't, it just doesn't feel, I kind of
can only relate to it when I work abs, I hate that.
Right.
And if my entire workout were like that, it would be a little aversive, it'd be tough.
Right.
Because I really enjoy it, I feel good.
Right.
It'd be tough.
And for people that don't enjoy it, I'm sorry, you have to still go do it.
I have in the mean, meanwhile, I've turned into a pussy. We
already established that. Yeah I used to be able to kick the shit out of myself
you know run bleachers all day and you know go push the fucking sled and drag
the tire. We're not 17 anymore. No I know I know but I used to fucking be able to kick my own ass a
little bit and and you know get myself okay you know 50 push-ups let's go you
know kind of thing. I'm now like I'm gonna skip my rope I'm gonna do my
shadow boxing and that's it I'm posting out of the rest of the stuff I'm not
going I'm not fucking chugging up that hill part of it though is that it wears
you out the rest of the day too and you can't afford to be tired you know I
mean I don't know anymore because I'm too big a puss. I've turned into a puss.
You need to shave that beard off.
It looks a little better groomed though.
You finally f**king groomed it.
I groomed it a little bit.
I used to...
You look like a homeless person.
I used to be disciplined with my diet, a lot more disciplined with my diet.
Like I'd be like, I'm just going to have the dry toast and the eggs and without the...
I'll have the fruit instead of the cottage fries
or whatever, now it's fucking on.
Well, I've been on a diet for the last couple weeks,
successfully, first time in a while.
And I let it just go nuts for about a year.
And it's something about, I don't know,
the prefrontal cortex, restraining an impulse
is harder as you get older.
It is, isn't it?
Is it?
Yeah, it is.
Okay. And you and I are feeling it, isn't it? Is it? Yeah, it is. Okay. And you
and I are feeling it. Well, is it one of these things... Let me ask you this. Dig this. Dig
this, man. When you're six, it's difficult. Yes. Because that part of the brain isn't
developed yet, the pre-publical cortex. Right. And it sadly never gets developed in today's society many many
folks in our society but so when you're young you get in there's many things
whether it's you know shitting yourself or you know I don't know your your
memory or things like that where you sort of yeah it's it's not so good at
this age and it's not so it's not so good at the beginning it's not so good
at the end right that's sort of sweet spot in the middle.
And this is kind of one of those things because I have, I used to feel like I was just fucking
Mike Ditka when he was 19.
When I was 19, I was like, fuck it.
I would literally like, people who lived up in the hills would say like, hey, how about you come over?
I'd go, good, I'm running.
You know, I'd run over there.
You know, they'd go, come visit me out in Santa Barbara.
I'd go, I'm riding my bike.
They'd go, what?
And I'd go, fuck yeah.
And I'd leave with like no water, no snacks,
and now they just fucking leave on my bike.
And I'd make it, you know?
Like I was, my whole thing was like beating myself up,
being tough, like seeing if I could physically do this
or not, challenging myself.
Now it's like if that pool ain't heated,
I ain't getting near it.
Somebody's gotta move my arms from here or I'm gonna drown.
So that's what all these guys are doing around here,
moving your arms.
That's, I get it, I see how it worksords that's their job are at that uh... jack lind was uh...
a one quick thing before you go before you go to bring a vertical break i think
yeah uh... two quick things actually uh... i apologize people listening to
both your my show less for the first few and then my own podcast the doctor who
podcast
with my cough i had who think off and that's going around here to you but we
started this conversation about the flu.
Oh, fuck those people.
Hold on a second.
I'm just saying, I was coughing my ass off.
It was bad.
I still have some residual stuff.
It was shitty.
But beware, not all flu is the flu.
A lot of it is whooping cough today, and that is treatable and does require, should have
antibiotics.
And then finally, I think people think that when we tell them to keep the pirate ship
alive by clicking through on Amazon
That just by clicking the icon it does something because people were tweeting me yesterday
Oh, I I clicked on that icon over and over again
No, you have to actually click through on buy something. Oh, I have to buy something. You have to buy something
It's not just clicking on the Amazon icon. Understood. Yeah. Yeah, I never thought I never I never broke it down that far
It's the Dr. Drew podcast by the way every Monday Wednesday and Friday and it's on our app and
Dr. Drew people ask it was on the app
I didn't know to answer that you should you should Twitter that see a lot of people ask that question
So, uh, all right, and by the way, yeah
I'm gonna go through the Amazon link at Adam and drew and buy something you have to buy something
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All right.
Coffee's warmed up.
So are we.
Probably shouldn't have any more calls.
No.
For this particular segment.
No.
We've got too much to talk about.
You know, I just got an email that kind of moved me a little bit.
Lance Armbruster, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I talk about. I just got an email that kind of moved me a little bit.
Lance Armstrong, the shit storm that's flying around him.
I know him okay, I've known him for a few years.
I know him to be a good guy.
I know him to be a caring father. And I know him to be a good guy. I know him to be a caring father.
And I know him to be deeply committed to his charities
and the Live Strong thing.
And we have to fucking burn this guy at the stake
because he did what other writers did.
That makes me really sad.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, no, and the reason I'm looking off into space
is because I'm trying to think of the
other people that have sort of done a lot of the same stuff that we have to vilify in
the press.
And it's part and parcel of what's going on, which is stand back and just look at a sort
of an aggregate thing, which is everybody
has a sort of a scale, you know. Take every time you don't pay your taxes, take one pebble
off the good side and put it onto the bad side, you know. Every time you drive drunk take one off the good side
Let's not use that as an example
Every time you get busted
By the man for driving drunk take the pebble off the good side and put it onto the bad side. No, Neneh
Hit somebody Run over a Mexican in your but the point is is hey everyone's got a scale
a Mexican in your, but the point is, is everyone's got a scale, okay? And some guys' scales are off the hook. In my opinion, Paul Newman, off the hook. That guy did a bunch of work,
he was married to the same woman for 50 years, and he sold, made billions of dollars in charity.
And by the way though, as far as we know.
As far as we know.
You know what I mean? That was in the day when people might have done crazy shit and gotten away with it.
Trist with one of the actresses on set
but then you know you have general Petraeus
and it's like alright that guy's done a lot of good
and then he fucked around with them chick and now
he's a monster. I'm not interested in who
did the bad, who did good and who did bad in the last 15 minutes.
I want to stand back and take a look at their life.
Show me a guy who cured breast cancer,
but then cheated on his wife?
No problemo with that dude.
No problemo, but let's look at it and go,
okay, all right, guy's a human, he's got some weakness,
thank God he cured breast cancer.
Not problemo, just pro...
Blemmo.
No, no, no. What does somebody have to do to get blemo?
You gotta hurt somebody, you gotta affect me.
That's blemo, yeah.
You gotta be carrying on with my wife,
you know what I mean?
They're doing what they're doing.
Problemo.
Let's see, problemo.
So, let's really stand back and take a look at
how many millions of dollars has this guy paid in
to the system just with all his earnings all his endorsements and all this whatever. I'll put a
fucking dude just in the in the fucking hundred million dollar club and have no problemo with
that dude. You know what I'm basically what I'm saying is is you know somebody pays you know
somebody pays 50 million dollars worth of taxes in the last 25
years and then they get a DUI and then all of a sudden they're a disgrace.
I don't have a problem with that guy.
To me the disgrace is the person who's never paid a penny in taxes and may be up to God
knows what.
I mean, again, let's put it to you this way. If everyone was like Lance Armstrong,
our society would be absolutely fine.
Yeah.
And if everyone was like my mom, we'd be in the shitter.
No, he, that's about it.
But people would then go, oh, the doping cheater.
Of course you'd, no, he is, I believe,
we haven't heard the interview yet, at least, you know,
I haven't.
What we're gonna hear is he did what everybody else did.
Well, I would assume he did what everyone else did.
And then he worked that much harder to get his seven Tour de France championships.
I don't like that he lied.
I don't like it.
Well, no, I don't know.
I forgive the lie because the lie is the byproduct of the society we've created that's gonna
crucify you if you don't
So but people are weird about cover-ups. Yeah, but let me I agree but let me are you still emailing him?
Yeah, I just did. All right now put the phone. Okay. Well, I need I need you here
Even though I don't look at you. I need you looking at me
What what happens is as i've said
If we're going to vilify you and crucify you, you're going to have
to lie. If we're going to create an environment where you basically have to lie, then we're going
to get a lot of liars. It's just, that's the way it is. If you're, as I've said, if you have the
born-again Christian stepdad who's going to go bananas on you, if he finds out you kiss someone
at the school dance... How about the homophobic hater?
Who's gonna beat the ass better better yet better yet you lie? Yeah
Yeah, you're gonna have to lie to that person and then the person starts being the shit out of you and they're saying I'm not
Beating you because you're gay. I'm beating because you lied to me
Well, if you're gonna take that kind of beating, of course, you're gonna lie
So I assume everyone lies because they have to because of what is going on with him right now.
It's not like, obviously, if he was forthright, it's a slightly easier sentence, but you're still going to be dragged through the mud.
So again, these guys pay tons of taxes, which everyone does a thing all the time where they're like, oh, so what? That's just the money he made or he paid his fair share, he did whatever it is or hey,
Rich Whitey stopped complaining. But if you look at it this way,
honestly, the ultimate charity is taxes
in the sense that it goes to the one charity we can all
agree on which is us. Meaning, you know, he's got his foundation
for cancer, but
you don't have cancer, so that money's not going to me. And you're walking
for AIDS and you're walking for, you know, for awareness of autism, except for
I don't have AIDS or autism, but I'll tell you one thing I do use, I do use the
roads, I do have a, I like the military being strong, I do like having
infrastructure, so in a weird way, and I know everyone just thinks I'm a colossal dick, but to me,
the people who paid a hundred million dollars worth of taxes are sort of heroes from a charitable
standpoint because they gave it to all of, that's a hundred million bucks that we all get to whack up
for schools and cops and roads
and bridges.
That's what's weird.
We should be saying thank you to be able to make tons of money and corporations that pay
we they should pay more tax.
I got a grant you but we should be grateful for people doing that.
Not not resentful.
Yeah.
Well, we can't help it because they have two cars and we only have one.
But Lance Armstrong has raised a shitload of money for with the Livestrong thing and
he has paid tons in taxes and he did something that then that did not endanger
Anyone's we're not talking about
Captain Hazelwood here who's who's the captain of the Exxon Valdez who's drunken and operating a vessel?
You know what I mean? He's not yeah, he's not that's kind of my so he's not hurt
So there's there's nobody who can be hurt other than the
guy who came in second place who probably was doing the same thing he was
doing what i i for sure that's what i'm assuming is the case i don't think we're
going to hear that he did something exceptional relative to everybody else
but what about the people ago all of the dates of my chip my seven-year-old son
he idolized that and now he's a cheater.
What message does that give my kids?
Well, look, your kids should not be idolizing guys who ride bicycles for a living.
I mean, they just should.
Tough shit.
There's no Santa either.
Wake up.
Help me with something then.
So I'm thinking about standing with him.
Like, really, like, because people are asking me to comment all the effing time.
And I'm like about what, about lying?
People, yeah lie, well I'm kibosh.
And I know this guy to be a good guy,
I know him to have done important things.
He effed up here, let's, okay, let's hear it out.
But I'm almost fearful to stand by his side.
Well you're such a puss, that's your problem.
No I am, so I'm asking my friend who's half puss now. You're half puss right? You're half, you're such a puss. No, I am. So I'm asking my friend who's half puss now.
You're half puss, right?
You're half, you're still a strong guy.
On my dad's side.
Okay.
No, but you've pussed over the years.
That's what gives him his lethargy.
Okay.
Help me, A, make a decision about this,
and B, how to do this,
and withstand whatever is likely to happen.
I have found, through the pirate ship
that I have built here
and many of the things I've said about many groups and many folks that have
upset quite a few that the panties in a bunch era were just about... we've had an
impacted asshole of everyone else getting their panties in a bunch.
We're tired of it.
You think?
There's a groundswell-
Look what's happened to Lanso in one day.
Whoa!
Right, but there'll be a big-
Backlash?
Groundswell, backlash of fucking leave the guy alone.
He survived cancer, he's raised billions of dollars, and it's not, and by the way,
it's bicycling. He's not he's not a
commercial airline pilot you know he's a fucking cyclist who gives a shit so I
think I think what we need to do and what look I don't I don't get what's
going on like I don't I don't get I mean I do understand to some degree the the
meat first off the media needs stories it's
a it's a don't give a shit they just want eyes and so drama drives eyes well
we don't care about anybody that they listen this they are a furnace and they
need anything that burns to be tossed into their furnace it doesn't matter if
it's charcoal and it doesn't matter if it's a if it's an Adirondack chair
Anything that burns they need it tossed in they're not interested in what what's good and what's yours and what's right and what's wrong
It's a furnace and we need to fucking toss things in that burn and that's what's going on. I mean this whole I remember
I'm actually confused by a lot of it like Like when the whole Mitt Romney thing where he
said, I have a folder filled with women or whatever he said, and I said, and the bit next day,
the next day it was a big deal. So you have a folder with women in it. And like,
I think it was pretty clear what he was saying was he didn't have a giant folder,
a binder with women that he kept inside the binder. No, he said he kept women in a binder.
And I was like, he wasn't reading off a teleprompter, he was giving an answer off the cuff and a debate.
And I remember seeing it live thinking, I knew exactly what he meant. I wasn't confused. I didn't
think he had a giant manila envelope stuffed filled, stuffed with women in his garage. But everyone like the next day was like,
you have a binder filled with women? And I was like, hold on, what I'm saying is this.
It's like when you say, oh yeah, me and my kids are going up to San Francisco next week for a San Francisco.
What do you mean by that?
San Francisco?
You think it's called San Francisco?
Hey, oh, by the way, Nefrisco.
I love their cookies.
San Francisco.
Like little kids.
Yeah.
Like children.
I know what I said.
I had a slip of the tongue and then I corrected it What why did we jump on Mitt Romney with his folder?
Because I can but what do we even talk? What are we talking about?
Swinging a dick around is what it is. What did he do?
What do we think he was saying? I
Didn't even know what it was. I still don't know what it was
But it was all that was a number one news story the next day
So look all we want to do is pile on.
That's all we want to do.
And now we actually have something that's a little more meat on the bone.
Well, the problem is when people do this, it harms people.
It becomes dangerous.
This is what really messes with me.
So we got Steubenville, Ohio, right?
So maybe a girl was raped, maybe she was other who the F knows, she was not well and should
have been protected for sure.
We have this video of the kid talking about the rape in just awful language.
That kid was an Ohio State student, had his life threatened so severely and so repetitively,
he had to leave school.
Now, the kid did awful stuff.
It doesn't mean we can just act out on that kid like some sort of, we become like a mob,
like some weird mob that like about the whole Trayvon Martin thing
yeah same thing again egregious situation but it's not okay to hurt
people with as a mob that's mob that's right yes mob mentality is dangerous
yeah put a bounty on the guy's head and then Spike Lee tweeted out the guy's
home address. Thank God Spike's stupid enough not to know that was the same guy. But I mean,
that's insane. And by the way, got no shit for it. But let's be clear, we're not saying
what the guy did was okay or not egregious. What we're saying is you can't then act out
on the people. You gotta let the, that's, that's uncivil, I mean, you gotta let the justice system do its thing. To me, I can't even talk about
it, I get so upset.
The point is this. There is going to be a backlash against all the pussies and all the
loud mouths and all the... Find out whatever Mitt Romney said, because it's still driving
me nuts.
I'll be a part of the backlash. That's what I'll do, okay?
Look, there is a, I believe, a silent majority.
And those people are dying for a voice.
And I know it from the things I say and the things I do.
And I'll tell you, right now, I go around
and I have a bunch of people,
like even even
school shit with my kids like people come up to me and they look to the right
and they're looked at a left and like I like you on the right I like what you're
saying I mean you're telling the truth someone should tell the truth you know
and then they look to the right and they look there left again there's a lot more
of those people out there and I think that number is growing and I'm not talking about politics
I'm just saying being able to speak without speak the truth without having to look over your shoulder
especially in this town do I start the backlash in favor of
Getting out this guy's way
You know Sam you're gonna be dead in what 25 years 28 years approximately. All right, let's focus on that
On my death
Cares who cares? All right. Let's hear what Mitt had to say about the
Envelope I went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find folks?
They brought us a whole binders full of women
I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my cabinet and my senior staff... That's it. Yeah, the product binders of resumes.
Well, yeah, if you said I'm looking for accountants and he said I brought you binders filled with
accountants or mechanics or roofers, would there be confusion? You mean there was roofers in the
binders? What the fuck is wrong with us? I don't even know what's going on with
us. That's not confusing to me. He asked for women for his cabinet and they brought him
binders filled with women. Do you have to say, and by the way, you have one minute to
answer this question. Do you have to say binders filled with women? Of course I mean women's
names, not actual human beings. Is that the point we're at now?
Is that where we're at?
Please.
The fucking media, by the way, don't anyone ever tell me
they're not slanted to the fucking left.
Because that is a perfect example of jump all over
the guy on the right, because he said binders filled
with women.
He, see how much he hates women?
He wants to put them in binders.
All right.
It just makes me, the whole thing makes me ill.
It does make me kind of ill.
I got it.
Well good.
Fucking stand up then.
Everyone start standing up.
It's, it's, but you know Adam to be honest, it's, it's not that simple.
You know what I'm saying?
It is that simple.
Because if it were simple, if people were not, if it was that clear. You know, if you simple it were simple or people were not if it was that clear
you know if you don't listen because a lot of this shit is in place because of
Doesn't exist it doesn't exist unless you make it exist. That's all you're talking to a guy who's
gotten tons of shit from
Every community over the last over the last three years, five years, every community.
But you've established you're an insensitive prick, right?
No, I know I'm right.
Right, insensitive prick.
Well, listen, I never said women weren't funny.
I said men were funnier than women.
That's the truth.
So I'm not going to have an issue with the truth.
Listen, what I'm...
Don't be scared of the truth.
What I'm sparring with you about is that there's, when you try to take in other points of view,
which are valid, they're not invalid, it gets-
They're invalid.
I don't think they're invalid.
Well, listen, somebody says to me, who's better? As a, who makes, you know know if you and your wife died who would you like uh mom and a and a and a
mother and a father raise a child or two dudes raise a child i go mother father and they go okay
well that's your opinion and i go no that's not it's the truth that's the truth what about a
mother father hate each other fighting and physically abusive not part of this equation
everything's equal in this equation and then i'm just speaking to you the truth as nature knows it, not as, I'm not religious, I'm just truth. Now, I could
sit and argue with you about it, but that's a waste of my time. I know what the truth
is, I always know what the truth is.
Well, you have established, you have a lot of clarity in your thinking. I get that, I
admire that, I'm jealous of it. But I would say, I have the empathy brain where I can
see other people's points of view and I care about them. And so when somebody says, my son, Iolized Lance, he's
gonna be a liar and a cheater and I'm deeply disturbed by that. Okay, I get that. I get
that. And it troubles me to have to stand with him. But you know what? All things been
equal. I'm gonna stand with this guy because I know the person and I know the good he has
done.
Not only that, but you basically...
It's not so clear. and I know the good he has done. Not only that, but you basically.
It's not so clear.
No, it is clear because you stand back
and you look at a life that's been led
and you go, were we better because he was here
or would we have been better without them?
That's a pretty simple question to answer.
But people can do egregious things with that math.
You know what I'm saying? They can, but. He did not, but they can. Pretty simple question to answer. But people can do egregious things with that math.
You know what I'm saying?
They can, but...
He did not, but they can.
People are better, we are better,
because Lance Armstrong is here,
and there's many others you cannot say that for.
And that's where you start.
That's the base for me.
And from that point, we move forward.
But you're rather he not been born.
Where would we be? Where would the not been born? Where would we be? Where
would the Cancer Foundation be? Where would cycling be, if you love that sport? Oh, but
he gave it a black eye, but where would it be? When did we give a shit about the Tour
de France? Did we ever give a shit about the Tour de France? I'm sure the Tour de France
is glad Lance Armstrong was born. It's made them hundreds of millions of dollars when you were in high school
Did you know the name of the Tour de France winner never even know the fucking Tour de France was no well now we know
I would have thought you're so even this even right and with the nice
Even the sport that he gave a black eye to should be glad he was born done now. I'm done
Jacqueline
Hello, hi Jacqueline molested by stepfather article so i think it's
okay
so yeah i'm not going to have about eleven to like eighteen
i'm not going to have a stepfather and i told my mom several different times
uh... back and i went to a period where i was on drugs
and i put myself to rehab
and i think he actually doctor to you or my doctor at los angeles and i want to I went through a period where I was on drugs, and I put myself through rehab. When I was 18, actually, Dr. Drew,
you were my doctor at Los Encinas,
and I'm going on nine years clean.
Oh, congratulations, yeah, that's awesome.
Thank you.
Well done.
So now I'm married and I have a daughter
and I'm pursuing my bachelor's
and trying to get my life right.
Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
That, those stories, people wanted to go,
how do you do this work?
One Jacqueline will keep me busy for four people for four months
in terms of beating off her no in terms of doing my work is so challenging
kizhi gives you hope and it gives you you know the possible
twenty seven sounds hot
i'm so sorry jack
yeah so go ahead so you see you've got your dad's for saying that you got a
child is good stable, what's up?
Yeah, so when I got married, I basically uninvited my stepfather and cut him off out of my life
from there on out.
And then I stopped talking to my mom for about three months because I thought, you know what,
it's toxic, she's still with him, she doesn't believe me.
And then now, you know, we're talking again and it's very superficial and I'm back in counseling actually tonight
In my second visit back to counseling and I just want to know what's the best way to approach either?
Cutting them off her and my sisters all don't believe me actually
Are you know continuing with boundaries? I?
Don't I don't understand I understand like we're just talking about lying. I understand the
Lance Armstrong lie. He has millions of dollars, his reputation, he's going to be burned at
the stake. I understand that lie. This kind of lie, when people don't believe this, I
don't understand this.
Right. What's in it for her? Whenever you have to say to yourself, what's in it for
that person to lie, you should wonder if it's a lie.
Absolutely. If somebody said, you know, I was a wrestling champ of my high school,
I'll go, well, I wonder if he's lying. If they say I was the worst wrestler on my
high school wrestling team, I believe it.
Because why would he lie about that?
Why would he lie about that? You know, I have a super small penis with almost less
in girth than length. Why would you lie about that? So, I mean,
this is, I don't know if this is, this is delial. This is den, thank you. This is denial,
I think, about this is your mom in denial. I don't think this is her.
That's correct. She is in massive denial. And here's the thing though.
And the drugs part is insane too, because a lot of people have done drugs. It doesn't
mean. No, no, no. but here's how that factors in.
Is when people are addicted, they lie like a mother effer.
They lie all the time.
They lie about where they got the money, but not this.
They lie about everything.
And so she becomes a liar.
And so mom can easily now fall back on, you know, you're a liar.
I can't trust you.
Remember when you were 16 and you told me, well, yeah, you were in your disease. You were in a disease that is lying, is a symptom of that disease. You're
now in recovery. So lying would mean something entirely different now than then. Now, the
reason that she uses this, I'm going to construct this for you so you understand this, is she
was sexually abused as a child, I guarantee you, and the fact that she brought a wolf into the hen coop
is so painful for her.
I think it's a house.
Wolf into the house?
Not a hen coop.
It's a chicken coop and then a hen house.
I know the hens get to live in a house.
Right, that's like Jefferson's Starship.
Chickens have to live in a coop.
Jefferson's Starship, I put these things together.
Yes, that's right.
It's that she, it's so painful for her to acknowledge the reality that she has put you through what
she, in my opinion, undoubtedly went through.
That is where the denial kicks in.
Did you get that?
Yeah.
Is that likely the truth, the case?
Yeah, I mean, I've heard that in counseling, you know, that she's the same thing probably
happened to her.
I mean, I've never heard anything of it, and I would think, like with me, with my daughter, I want to make
sure that nothing like this ever happens to her.
I get it, and again, treatment is the main reason, because you too would do what she
did. And so imagine you're your mom. You have no treatment, but you're desperate that this
shouldn't happen to your daughter, and then it happens. And she gives you a perfect out
to deny it, which is she's a drug addict. You might stay in that denial for quite a while. Now in a
way, I'm gonna say something very strong here once you talk to your counselor
about this, in a way your mom is part of the perp unit. She's sort of a
perpetrator. She's at least the wheel man. Oh yeah. And so if she will not, if she
categorically refuses to acknowledge this, I would be very circumspect and have limited contact under very controlled circumstances.
The fact that you only went three months and you felt you had to go back, that ain't nothing.
So you obviously still kind of enmeshed with her.
Let me explain, let me tell you how to become a serial killer.
Oh really? Please tell me. An emotional serial killer.
You decide who's right and who's wrong.
Now your mom may think you're lying, your sisters may think you're lying, but you know
you're not lying.
You know you're not lying.
So this makes the decision pretty easy because you know what you did and you know what they did.
And everybody has to dial themselves in to a reality setting.
You have to question yourself. You need checks and balances. You need to go, wait a minute, am I overstating this?
Am I looking at through the prism of me and staring into a mirror and inflating this am I doing this once you can dial that
Those those reality glasses in where you're not factoring yourself in you're just going is this right is this wrong?
It's hard to do for people by the way. Oh, yeah. Yes, it is
meaning
you have a
Car I mean, here's the deal Here's what I'm saying you have a car, I mean, here's the deal. Here's what I'm saying. You have, Matt the
porcelain punisher out there has a Honda out in the parking lot. That Honda is
worth $16,000. Reality is, is if you're selling it, he wants $26,000
because it's his car.
And he loves it, it's great.
And if he's buying it, he wants it for $6,000
because now he wants to achieve it.
But where's reality?
Reality is $16,000.
The invisible hand determines reality.
The day you can sell it for 16,000 and buy it for 16,000
The day you can sell it for 16,000 and buy it for 16,000 is the day you're dialed in in terms of your reality.
So now it doesn't matter if your stepdad says that car is worth 150,000 and it doesn't
matter whether your sister says it's worth 1,500.
You know what it's worth and you are dialed in.
That dialing takes a constant adjustment.
Are you asking too much? Are you asking too little? Are you getting ripped off or are you fleecing somebody else?
Either way pull yourself out of the equation figure out what the car is worth.
Once you do that in your life, then you get to go through life making horrible decisions and
sleeping like a
baby. Because you know you're working in reality. Well that's... I fired this person.
I left this person. I never spoke to my mom again. I fill in the horrible blank
but you can do it because it was done. What your mom did is horrible and she does not deserve you and
thus you don't need to fix something if she's not going to fix herself. She's the
one who thinks the car's worth 150 grand when it's worth 16. Some people would
say that mental health is about dealing with realities on reality, dealing with
reality on realities terms. That's right. Which is what you're saying, but our emotional
systems make it more complex. This
is back to the same thing I was saying about Lance Armstrong.
That's why I don't have emotional systems.
I know that about you.
That's right. And other people factor themselves in.
Remember, you said, how to be a cold-blooded emotional killer.
That's right. And your emotional system will factor in most of the time, and you wanting
way too much for the car you own but often times
or sometimes
it also factor in in you giving it away at half price that's my let's be lying
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